Infighting force President Trump to bring democrats in . To my panel, liz peek and deroy murdock, Fox News Contributor and contributing editor to the National Review. Liz, first and foremost, broad picture. Tonight President Trump, dipper with six senators; three republicans, three democrats. Whats the purpose of it . Is this to sort of tell republicans, hey, if i cant get you onboard, ill get them onboard, or is this a legitimate move to sort of find a bipartisan middle ground . Oh, i dont think theres any middle ground here. Democrats, with the exception of these three senators, have made it clear they dont want to pursue the kind of tax reform President Trump is hopeful of. He wants, for example, to cut rates across the board including for the top 1 not because the wealthy need a handout, i think we can all agree thats not the case, but because most or many Small Businesses file as individuals. He wants relief for businesses that employ under 500 people, lets say. This is the way hes going to deliver it, and the democrats have made clear in the letter they sent to the white house they will have none of it. So these three are the only ones who didnt sign on to that letter. He can make some progress with them and bolster the, you know, twoperson advantage they have in the senate. He needs these three. Charles but speaking of business, delaware roy, theres this sense deroy, theres this sense that the republicans are over a barrel. Because you think about bannon, for instance, steve bannon, the nationalism, economic nationalism, and populism. And to me, it feels like theyre not going to get everything they want this time. In fact, you know, they tried to foist, in my opinion, border adjustment tax on the american public, that didnt fly. That went nowhere. Charles whats going to happen this time . This might look unlike anything we thought when a republican was sworn into office. I think if they sell a 15 Corporate Tax rate which is something we very, very badly need charles can we honestly get that, and would that be negotiating against yourself and waste time . Should they cut straight to the chase with something that both sides of the gop, both sides of the gop aisle can agree on . [laughter] i think we ought to sell 15 Corporate Tax and focus on the fact that if a company doesnt feel the need to go to china and expand here, thats a populist benefit because that means people who could charles what happens to conservatives . Today the audience [inaudible conversations] our National Debt finally cracked through 20 trillion today. This is not going to make it easy for Freedom Caucus members to go with any kind of tax that even if you are a believer in supplyside economics will increase the debt initially. No question about it. The 20 trillion is just a huge, round number that is going to grab everyones attention. On the other hand, the only possible way that we can meet our obligations, our Social Security and medicare and medicaid obligations which are basically growing out of control and outside anyones expectations is through growing the economy. And already were seeing an acceleration, the most recent numbers are over 3 for the second half. Thats really good progress. But the only way were going to grow beyond that is through tax cuts. And i agree, the Corporate Tax cut thing is very important. Were not going to do 15. Ryans talking 22, 23, my guess is thats reasonable. Charles you say thats way too high. What i hate to see republicans do is negotiate with themselves. They should hold out for 15 , and at 4 30 in the morning say, all right, well do 18. You dont say 33 the 22. 5, the republicans need to hold a hard line and only cave at the very end if they must. Charles speaking of populism, theres a report out today Median Income last year finally hit a new high since 1999. But i looked through the numbers, and the midwest is still down. The heartland is still down. Theres a big movement thats saying, hey, how about we dont tax people who work hourly wages. In fact, i want to talk about a tale of two taxpayers. Youve got someone who worked their way through medical school, now youve got someone whos making money on Capital Gains. They make the same amount of money, but when its all said and done, the person that busted their butt, theyve got 200, 300,000 in college debt, they end up paying a 34 rate, and the person that inherited the money pays 14 . This kind of stuff is angering the same people that voted donald trump into office, liz. I think thats true, but its not just people who inherit money, its people who have worked a long time and invested and are enjoying the fruits of their retirement through Capital Gains and interest income, dividend income, i should say, which has a lower tax rate. That is all purposeful. If they want to change it, they can change it, but you cant just say, well, you know, theres no value in investment. Thats why those rules are in place. However, all of that kind of stuff is up for grabs. That is something that the tax reformers could go after. There are a number of orr things too as you know that have been talk about like state and local Tax Deductions and mortgage interest and stuff. Some of these things can be targeted to bring down the advantage, if you will, that the wealthy have. And my guess is well see some talk about that. People are frustrated about low income, es incomes, the way to do it is economic growth. Yes. Thursday afternoon at 3 00, the house is going to gavel out. They just came back a week ago, theyre going back on vacation. [laughter] i think its unbelievable. I dont know what paul ryan is doing. The house of representatives is going back on vacation on friday and all of next week. And all you hear about is how this is no time for anything, its amazing. And then theyre going back on vacation again. I find that appalling and truly disturbing, and shame on them. Charles obviously, this is a serious hurdle, because if it wasnt, it would have been done already. Tax reform . Charles charl right. Sure. Charles often we have these conversations, and the people watching the show says it seems pretty simple. Why hasnt it been done . You either have to get 60 votes including seven excuse me, five democrats who are not, have already signed on to help republicans, and thats just not going to happen, because they hate charles is there anything, the three that have dinner with President Trump tonight and two more, is there anything that could be extended . Certainly there are certain democrats out there who understand that this is good for the country . Charles lower business taxes creates jobs and generates certainly, there are two or three democrats that get that much. That might do the right thing. Infrastructure, thats probably the one thing that could bring some of those guys to the table. Charles the other side, deroy, gop versus gop. Its why obamacare didnt make it. I keep seeing a scenario where perhaps one of these groups loses out, the tuesday group or the Freedom Caucus. As i do the math, it feels more and more like it could be the Freedom Caucus. I just think the g to op desperately needs leadership. This vacation is unbelievable. These guys are going 15 directions. If youre paul ryan or mitch mcconnell, you have to be loving and charming enough so they do what you want or s. O. B. Enough that theyre scared of you. Thats what makes it so difficult to get this stuff done. And what they need to do is show up and do their jobs. I would love to talk five weeks off, show up for a week, go back and take another week off. Charles the dinner tonight, youve got steve mnuchin, gary cohn, mark short, i guess everyone is there to do the arm twisting. Liz, fast forward. How do you think the ultimate tax package looks . And by the way, do you go for fullblown reform, or do you piecemeal it . Because Ronald Reagan piecemealed it, and it turned out to be successful. I think theyre hoping still for reform because our tax cold, as any american knows whos done their taxes in the last year, its a horror. Its 70,000 pages of gobbledygook. More than just being frustrated and anothing, its annoying, its an impingement on our productivity. We want simpler, fairer tax and, by the way, President Trump has committed to going out and pitching this as a jobs bill. Ing and hes completely correct. They didnt cothat in the obamacare fight. He was never out there as salesman number one. He has to bring people around to this so democrats cant just scream about tax cuts for the wealthy. Charles i find that to be part and parcel of what im calling the maturation of President Trump were going to talk about that later in the show. Guys, appreciate it. 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The biggest obstacle is what the chief calls horticulture debris, trees. These royal palms, they fall on the road, theyre big, youve got to get the heavy equipment in to get that stuff out, and theres only so much heavy equipment. In one case, it fell against the power lines, but youve got to remove that giant tree, so youve got to bring in a crane, and its going to take a while. Florida power and light saying it may be until the 22nd, the following friday from now, before people can be guaranteed to have power. In the meantime, they dont have airconditioning, they cant put ice in their fridge. About the only time weve seen people getting foul with each other is trying to get cups of ice at the local 7 eleven. Charles . Charles thank you very much, appreciate it. Well, today our very own jeff flock made a surprise visit to check in on his 91yearold mother. She rode out the storm in the bathtub in her florida home. It was quite a bit of a reunion. Oh, my goodness. Reporter mom, are you dressed . Youre full of surprises. [laughter] reporter hey, how are you . Hi, sweetie. Oh, i heard you say, hi. I heard you say im not in my underwear. [laughter] no, im not in my reporter well, can you show me how you did in there . Inside . You were in the bathtub . No. Reporter you cant show me . No, i cleaned it all up. Reporter oh, you cleaned it up. Yeah, i took care of it. Reporter can we walk in, bob . Go ahead. Reporter you know, were on television right now, you know . Oh, no. Oh, for heaven sakes. When are you going to tell me that . Reporter well, im telling you right now, so there you go. Anyway, lets just see the bathtub before we get away here, stuart, and im glad shes okay. You turned out okay . Yeah, everythings fine. The bathrooms close to the bedroom, which is good. Reporter you dont have power, right . No power at all. And ive got the big light going here. Reporter oh, yeah, she had the light oh, jeez. Dont get dont show that, bob. Come on. Glad i combed my hair. And im glad i made the bed. Reporter yeah, you made the bed, okay, good. Yeah. I did that. I cleaned everything out of here, you know . I took the chair out. Reporter oh, good. So you were in here. Yeah, i was in there. Thats close to the bedroom. Reporter okay, well, good. Im glad youre okay. Charles that was beautiful and god bless them. The maturation of an american president , trump planning to hit the road in a major push on tax reform. But it may be a lot more than that. Later in the show were going to talk about apple, they unveiled the new generation of iphones, in fact, one priced just shy of 1,000. Well be right back. My friends think doing this at my age is scary. I say not if you protect yourself. What is scary . Pneumococcal pneumonia. Its a serious disease. My doctor said the risk is greater now that im over 50 yeah. Yaha. 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Im saying this is the latest example of President Trump mastering the learning curve and taking more control over his agenda. With us now to discuss, Deroy Murdoch is back, also National Review contributing editor along with gabby, she is washington examiners white house correspondent. Gabby, let me start with you because youve been all over this story, breaking news on it, in fact. And its not just that President Trump is going to visit 13 states, but hes bolstering his communications department, hes doing all the things that people felt he probably should have done to get Obamacare Repeal through. Thats exactly correct. I mean, i spoke with mark short, the white houses legislative affairs director, a few weeks after the Health Care Bill failed in the senate, and he really said that that was a complete learning experience for the president and that the white house would be looking for different ways to tackle tax reform when the time came. And it seems like thats exactly what theyre doing. Theyre channeling all their frustration into what happened with Health Care Reform into making sure that they can push for tax reform. Putting the president out on the road, dispatching Vice President pence to also participate in different rallies in states, and, you know, making sure that hes reaching out bipartisan members of both chambers of congress. Hes holding a dinner this evening with three democrats and three republicans, all three of whom are on the Senate Finance committee. So hes really making strides to insure that tax reform gets done by the end of the year. Charles and also i think, deroy, its an acknowledgment that, hey, i dont have the leadership in place. They may have the titles and the positions, but ryan and mcconnell, whether its deliberate or not, arent going to get the job done for me. Think about this, the tweets have been tamped down a lot, the bipartisan deal, a lot of people believe that is the essence of being president ial. The way President Trump and the white house handled hurricanes harvey and irma, and then this, taking control. This is a steep learning curve, but he seems to be picking up on it. Its ironic that things are getting calmer and calmer and calmer at the white house. I dont know if this is the influence of john kelly, the marine corps general whos come in as chief of staff, but things seem to be more focused. I think the twitter outbursts have been minimized. And i think trump has looked a lot more focused, a lot more in charge, a lot more in command, and i think certainly traveling to states that he carried, also a state that is mitt romney carried where you have democrat senators representing those states, those are people who could be made vulnerable, and they ought to be pressured to support tax reform. Charles yeah, quite a few, i think, gabby, quite a few democrats are in those states, you know, bill nelson, sherrod brown, debbie stain stab now, bob casey just to name a few. You want to go in their backyards, put this pressure on them and maybe give some sort of an olive branch to help them cross that line. Th