Numbers you need to know ahead of tomorrows open. Coming up. Today, we tell the pharmaceutical industry their greed is going to end, that under medicare for all, there will be a cap on what people will have to pay for medicine and that we are going to significantly and underline the word significantly, lower Prescription Drug costs in america. We are tired of getting ripped off. Susan happening right now, its a democratic duel. Just days after 2020 frontrunner joe biden debuted his ambitious 750 billion health care plan, which opposes medicare for all, Bernie Sanders firing back with the defense of his signature proposal in a major address that just wrapped up moments ago. Wait until you hear how much his plan will cost you. This is bulls bears. Joining me today, liz peek, kristina partsinevelos, jack brewer and carol ross in new york city. Lets get straight to Hillary Vaughn at the sanders event at George Washington university. Hillary . Reporter susan, Bernie Sanders is campaigning on no premiums, no deductibles and no copays. Thats key to convincing the American Public they should go for medicare for all. And some others. Seem to think the American People hate paying taxes but they just love paying Insurance Premiums. Oh, my god, dear, the Insurance Premium is here, what a wonderful day oh, wow reporter senator Bernie Sanders made the pledge today not to take any donations from Drug Companies or the health care industry, and hes putting other 2020 candidates in the hot seat to also not take any Campaign Cash from these companies. Sanders and biden have been dueling over health care plans. Biden wants to build on obamacare and of course, Bernie Sanders wants to ditch it in favor of medicare for all, but biden in iowa today on the trail took his shot at sanders plan. Make health care a right, not a privilege. Give everyone the peace of mind they deserve. Everyone. For me, that means building on obamacare with a public option. Now there are a lot of people running in the party who want to get rid of obamacare, start over with something new. Folks, im not for that. Reporter Campaign Finance records show that biden has accepted thousands of dollars from executives at Health Care Companies including merck and blue cross, but also senator Kamala Harris and mayor Pete Buttigieg have as well. Well see if they accept bernies pledge to not accept this money and give it back. Susan hillary, thank you. Now, jack, will sanders plan appeal to voters, you think . Not at all. I think this is the one policy thats going to end up costing him the election if he does win the democratic nomination. You cannot come in and take away peoples right to choose their doctors. You cannot, you know, focus on the fact that we have so Many Americans that love their doctor. I like my doctors. I dont want anyone telling me that i cant use them. So i think their intentions are right and i hear them, i wish everyone had health care and i think we can figure out ways to do that, systematically without having to necessarily force them. You hear joe biden, he says we have a right. We have a right to choose who we want to work on our bodies. Do you think we have a right, though, when we come to america in general drug costs are so expensive . Im not saying i side with sanders at all but i do think this is important for them to distinguish themselves and biden, if anything, if we are going to say a positive for him is hes still allowing those private insurance plans to go forward. I think that will be a Winning Strategy for him, especially when he needs to differentiate himself. I still, if you bring up the right, we can argue just in general about medicare for all. They often say people deserve to have the right to be healthy in america, and that would almost be an argument for that side of the party. I dont know, i think that anybody who doesnt understand economics will like this plan. I think that anybody who doesnt pay taxes will like this plan. I think that anybody who doesnt understand the rationing of resources that you brought up will like this plan because remember last time around, we were told that we have got to keep our doctors. People are lied to by politicians. If you dont understand fundamentally the shift thats going to happen here, this is going to sound great, its going to sound free, free is really, really expensive at the end of the day. Its going to sound great, its going to sound great except to the Union Workers who the Democratic Party are very eager to bring back on board in 2020. One of the things that has happened for unions over the last decade or so is that they have won enormously generous benefits packages, including health care. Those people are among the three quarters of americans, according to gallup, who are completely satisfied with their health care. So i think telling all those people that youre going to toss it and youre going to toss obamacare, obviously joe biden wants to remember the glory days of his time in the white house via obamacare nostalgia, but the truth is, people arent going to go for this. I think everyones right. This is not going to work on the stump. Susan what about the economics of it . I was looking at those price tags carol brought up. 10 trillion over 10 years. 40 trillion, pardon me, over 10 years. Our annual budget including medicare, social security, is already at 4 trillion a year. You want to double that and you dont think the middle class is going to pay much higher taxes or you have to introduce by the way, a vat which is what nordic countries do in order to pay for these single payer systems. Well, susan, by the way, Bernie Sanders already said publicly that the middle class was going to have to pay higher taxes. Tha that was on bret baiers show. Think about the middle class voters again who are happy with their health care and a lot of them are Union Members in all those swing states. I think this is a no go. I think biden actually has the high ground here, and the better plan. Ironically, though, he completely blew it by presenting it and talking about how if you like your health care, you can keep it, because that was the signature lie of the obama years. How joe biden didnt realize that replicating that was going to be a terrible political gaffe, who knows. But anyway, i think hes undermined his own case. I think joe biden is smart. The more he says the obama name, whether its in obamacare, obama anything else, gets him further and further away from racism, and the fact that people are calling him racist because he voted the 1994 crime bill and has done so many other things. I think thats where hes playing here. But when you talk about health care, its about quality of care. I dont want you to take away my quality of care. I think no matter what joe biden or Bernie Sanders say, the quality of care in america will go down if you go to a single payer system. Lets talk about estimates for a second. We are talking about 40 trillion on an estimate. When has an estimate ever been in the neighborhood of what its going to cost . If theyre saying 40 trillion, imagine what that ultimately would end up being, then like jack said, the fact that youre not going to get the quality that youre not going to be able to make the choices that youre going to have the government who is bad at doing everything that they do, decide that this is something that is going to be a political football. Why dont you go with biden . The fact hes trying to give a little bit of both worlds. I know its a little cheaper. Hes saying 750 billion versus the trillion. I know, but im just because you go to the free market. You go to the free market and you stop getting government in the middle of this. This is whats isnt that too conflicted, though . Thats an issue in america forever. Look at the high drug costs. We dont have the free market. We have government cronyism and intervention. The whole reason why we are even talking about this is because we dont have transparency and we have the government creating laws so that we dont have choices and we dont have competition. I agree with you. Competition has never made anything more spepsiexpensive,. We talk about generics. Generics cant even come into this country. Why are we continuously paying so much for drugs . I completely agree. Get rid of that structure, dont give the government more power. If you were a politician right now, what would you propose . I know what i would propose. I would propose that we put more money into hmos, Preventive Care medicine. We need to go to Preventive Care, hold people accountable for what they eat and put in their bodies. That is the only way. We need to do soul searching in our country. We cant just sit here and eat and do whatever we want to do, then wonder why our cardiac arrests are going up and everything else. Preventive care is the only way. No different than you do with your best athletes, you train them and they eat right and they feel better. The responsibility going with the right. This is the thing thats always absent from the conversation. We have rights, we have rights. Where are your responsibilities . What portion are you taking on . Does that mean the education system, teaching people how to eat properly . Amen. Amen. Thats the government intervening, though. Thats not the government intervening by putting in better curriculum. I agree with you. We are on the same page. We all got the same goal. We just have a few different ideas on how to get there. Susan guys, lets get to President Trump speaking to reporters on the white house lawn moments ago on his way to north carolina. Okay. Well, we are waiting for the president to walk up to the microphones. Long stroll there on the south lawn. Of course, we will be hearing for any remarks pertaining to the controversy that stems from his shall we say fight with the four progressive congresswomen and of course, thats been taking a lot of headlines. He spoke with cbs earlier this morning as well. Reporter [ inaudible ]. About what . Reporter [ inaudible ]. No. If people want to leave our country, they can. If they dont want to love our country, if they dont want to fight for our country, they can. Ill never change on that. No. Reporter do you think youre winning this political fight . What . Reporter do you think youre winning this political fight . I do think im winning the political fight. Reporter why . I think im winning it by a lot. Reporter why . I think that they are not espousing the views of our country, the four congresswomen. I think that theyve said horrible things that the press doesnt cover. I think you should try covering it. When you look at some of the things theyve said, they are unthinkable. If somebody else or me or anybody else said things like that, it would be historic. You ought to look at some of their horrible statements because theres never been statements like that. Reporter mr. President , you have been very outspoken about [ inaudible ] the Democratic Party. How do you think that all began and is there anyone in particular you blame on that . Well, the Democratic Party is really going in a direction that nobody thought possible. Theyre going so far left, theyre going to fall off a cliff. So i think theyre making a big mistake but who knows. Thats up to them. Reporter american principles to be able to criticize reporter [ inaudible ]. Well, theres a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it. I hear she was married to her brother. Youre asking me a question about it. I dont know but im sure that somebody would be looking at that. Reporter sir, do you believe people should be allowed, sir reporter [ inaudible ]. Well, i think the story last night was that 187 republicans voted in favor of trump and four voted against. I think that was the big story. That seems to be the story. Theres great unity in the republican party. Its very unfair whats happened with respect to the way i would say republicans are being treated frankly, but certainly the way this president has been treated. In the history of our country, theres never been anything like this and this should never be allowed to happen to another president again. Should never be allowed to happen. Despite that, weve created the greatest economy in the history of our country. Were doing things like nobodys ever done. We have the best job numbers in the history of our country. Africanamerican, asian american, women, hispanic american, best job numbers weve ever had. I have to go because i see its starting to pour. Reporter mr. President reporter [ inaudible ]. Im not relishing the fight. Im enjoying it because i have to get the word out to the American People. You have to enjoy what you do. I enjoy what i do. The key is, the key is its not a question of relishing. Theyre wrong. Theyre absolutely wrong. Thats not where our country wants to be. Were not going to go and were not going to be a socialist country. Its not going to happen. Reporter mr. President , should people be allowed to criticize the government . Susan there you have it. The president wrapping up a conversation with reporters on the white house lawn right now due to rain. But he did go on about the political fight thats happening between him and his tweets over the weekend and the four congressional females, also known as the squad. Weve got to bring in some of the experts. One of them joining us right now, the housing and urban development secretary, ben carson. Mr. Secretary, we just heard him speak now but overall, we know the house did condemn his comments as racist. Do you think the president s tweets were racist . Not at all. Ive known the president for some time and ive never seen any indication of that whatsoever. You know, he lived in new york for a long time. Jesse jackson gave him an award for the work hes done in the black community. I remember the very first time i met the president at maralago before we were into the political arena, and someone came up to him and said mr. Trump, rod stewart is here. And he said yeah, but this is ben carson. I mean, thats the kind of person that he is. Thats the kind of person ive always known him to be. You know, his interest is in everybody doing well and the policies are such that a rising tide floats all boats, and you can see that. The manifestation is so clear, you know, in terms of the unemployment rate, particularly for minorities. But thats not what we were talking about. We were talking about whether his tweets were racist or not. I understand the policies are great and the economy is doing well but this is a question of racism. Yeah, well, the place where that intersects is because he is spending so much time and energy with policies that elevate the very people that they are claiming that he is against. Thats my point. Secretary carson, thank you very much for joining us. Question for you. Do you think these four women, these young women in congress, the socalled squad, do they represent minority thinking or in particular, do they represent the view that a lot of people in the Africanamerican Community have of President Trump, or is that Community Open to the oide that his policies, higher wages, things that are happening economically that are good for africanamericans, are more important than these tweets and these sort of battles that he gets in . Yeah, i think youre exactly right in that its the impact, its whats actually happening. Its much more important than the arguments that we get into when we try to parse every word. And try to interpret them. s the its an interesting thing, psychologists will tell you this, if a person thinks that you dont like them or that you hate them, then everything you say, they will interpret in that light. If they think you love them, everything they say, you will interpret in that light. It can be exactly the same thing. We need to get away from all this parsing of words and analysis, and really, lets talk about the actual problems that we have and how we solve them. I think we would be far ahead in the game. I really think thats what the American People want to hear. Thats what the minorities want to hear. Thats what ive heard from them. I was with a minority this weekend who said i really am impressed with the things that this administration is doing. But they said i wont say it out loud and i wont say it to people because i dont want to be ostracized and have my family attacked. But i think that might not be such a rare opinion. Susan secretary carson, what does that mean for the ballot box as we head into 2020 . An obvious line has been drawn. Does it help or hurt either side . Repeat that again, please . Susan the ballot box for 2020, the president ial race, with this backandforth across racial lines, telling minorities according to some liberal commentators to go back to where they came from, some would say that might hurt the republican party. Again, you know, theres going to be all kinds of conversations on all kinds of things, and its going to come from both sides. Did i wish that that werent going on, absolutely. It kind of reminds me of third grade, apologies to the third graders. But we have so many more important things to deal with. I think it would be extraordinarily helpful if we would just begin to focus on those things that are important. One of those things could be housing. Secretary, i want to actually pivot a little bit. We have new data that shows africanamerican Home Ownership falling in the First Quarter of this year to its lowest level on record. Mr. Secretary, why do you think this is the case and what do you think the administration should be doing next to fix it . A very good question. First of all, i recognize that the Home Ownership rate for blacks in this country is lower now than it was