Carlson hunters formers business associate said this. Sitting with joe biden and hunter biden, joe came to the lobby with the security hunter introduced me as this is tony dad, the individual i told you about that is helping us with the business we are working on and the chinese birds direct the former Vice President said he had no knowledge whatsoever of his sons a business dealings it was not involved in them. That is a blatant lie printed out joe decided not to run 2016. But what if he ran in the future . Arent they taking Political Risk or headline risk . In our member looking at jim biden and saying how are you guys getting away with this . Arent you concerned. He sort of looked at me and laughed a little back and said plausible deniability. If he were a crackpot, they wouldve come out and said so pert he wouldve been bob zelensky by the Biden Campaign that is not yet happened. Last night on this very show i had set shall we say feisty interview with President Trumps personal lawyer, americas mayor Rudy Giuliani, the former near city mayors been digging deep into the hunter biden back story for years now. I asked him about the laptop and he too brought up the chinese angle, watch. So did you finally get the laptop . From the got it ten days, maybe two weeks ago. Im still discovering things. Just today i discovered last night we discovered it contains audio recordings that he did not realize were up in the cloud. And in his drive. And one of them is very incriminating. It is a recording in which he talks about the chinese spymaster that he and his father were business with. Before rudy i still love you man and i accept your apology. But this is about joe so when if ever see going to spill the beans . Lets get into it with tonights panel, we have Washington Times opinion editor and Fox News Contributor. Hes looked like he is back from colorado safari it is charlie herz. We have former baltimore Crime Reporter and current superstar and legend, Rochelle Ritchie is here. As well as poster cofounder Fox News ContributorKristin Soltis anderson who i was sipping cocktails by a reuben pool. Welcome what it all. [laughter] its great to have you all. So charlie i will start with yo you. People should be at least slightly curious about some of the elements here. Nothing most salacious elements with if they are not verifiable could take all of the claims but that is the point i was trying to make with Rudy Giuliani last night but they should want to know if joe biden was in any way on the take, your thoughts as to whether or not silence is joe bidens best plan . Think in this current environment is a very wise political strategy. Because of the entire obama years i never thought any politician would ever get the kind of Royal Treatment that the main street media gave barack obama. This is a run for president obamas money. The degree to which the media has completely suddenly lost all curiosity about everything. There are mountains and mountains of emails and important things. As you say, it is not the salacious stuff about hunter. That is just dark and sad and gross. It is not important. But there are really important things here about just how much joe biden is in the pocket of the chinese. It is a very important thing. He does need to answer the question still beats asking them. As just a few of us demanding more from and answers. Hes getting away without having to answer any. Kennedy and whether theres anyone in his gaggle like peter deutsche they ask what he has to do with this he shouts them down and the rest of the gaggle turns on them. That is not what they should do. Go ahead. And the reason that he gets away with doing that, is because nobody else is backing him out. Say no these are really important questions. And you need to answer them. But he gets away with them. Steve or so rochelle, this is kinda what what we have to take the story apart. The thing of center Rudy Giuliani last night, the thing that made us allege the steele dossier, is there may have been things in the steele dossier that were disturbing and true. The thing with that was they lead with the most salacious pp parties. That tanks the whole thing. And that is exactly what could happen here. Because Rudy Giuliani was on this show screaming about child pouring. When really he should be looking at the Bigger Picture about joe biden, possibly taking a percentage of some of these curious no interest loans. Do you think tony bob zelensky is lying . I watch the interview, youre absolutely correcting what the assessment of Rudy Giuliani. Heres the deal, we are a few days away from the election. When you look at the top issues voters are concerned about right now, this is not one of them. Its about healthcare, the economy of course theyre concerned about gun violence and all those things. Think joe biden needs remain silent on this issue is a smart one. Furthermore President Trump is th the president. Why not open up with the d. O. J. Investigation if there is something there. Why is Rudy Giuliani having a laptop . Not only that, release it for their side of the incriminating biden, this is a time to release it. But they are not doing that because theres nothing there. Soup or they released a lot of stuff. They invited us to come and look at some of the stuff. The problem is its impossible to verify something that has been gathered second and third hand. That is some of the issue that we are having here. He has released a lot. He was reported to look at it. The problem is verifiability. But deniability is something completely different. Because if you have someone i met with the Vice President he was asking for his portion. His brother was asking for his portion. All these things are incredibly incriminating and problematic. But they have not tried to discredit bob zelensky. Think is important to try to verify anything in the Public Domain for allegation. They should do it regardless of what this donald trump or joe biden. I think too often people go into the sink with confirmation bias. Already dont like donald trump summit at the steele dossier comes along and think im going to confirm everything i know about donald trump. It could be lying about things that dont seem to add up. This a real risk of that happening on the other side with the challenges at the moment the republicans and conservatives traditionally being, think in the medians out out to get them not liking the media. After the election a lot of people were upset and thought too much time is spent on emails. A lot of this is media organizations trying not to get blowback for a butt hurt emails 2. 0. Thats other handling this. Kennedy thats why sometimes the pendulum swings too far, overcorrection creates all new problems. Meanwhile lets shifted the city of brotherly love. The city of philadelphia under curfew again. After two nights of straight violence and looting over the police shooting. The death of an allegedly armed man who had a knife. And that turned into a scene of rockthrowing and fires. Stores were looted, dozens of officers were injured. National guide guard has been utilized. Pennsylvania can be most important state in this election. Could President Trump state with flawed order residents of the battleground states undecided voters . So charlie take me through this you havent cast your ballot and your art decided peter if youre on the fence looking at this, there are people who do not want that kind of violence to encroach into the suburbs. And they are wondering who is standing on that wall . So couldnt this make any measurable difference in pennsylvania . Think without a doubt. I think the Biden Campaign was quick to come out and condemn the violence. In philadelphia last night. Of course after months during the summer where they were not sure how to condemn it and how to condemn it. They were clearly playing footsie. They were playing footsie with a lot of the people who were claiming to be behind all of the peaceful protests. And so, yeah. I do think there is a possibility that People Living in philadelphia, especially leaving in neighborhoods for the stuff is happening. Youve got to think that people are very concerned about this. It is very real for them. I dont think that is necessarily converts much outside of places like philadelphia. I think in the rest of the country, a lot of people look at that in shake their heads. They want to burn their own city down, burn it down, just dont come anywhere near my place. They go out and they buy another god and buy another box of ammo. In a call today. Conceals of god to the roof. Rochelle in places like minneapolis, city Council Voted to defend the police. And so the police are kind of protesting. And they are not showing up to his many calls. Now people are upset and its hard to get a hold of the police when you need them. And to keep these communities most vulnerable safe. So what is the solution here . Think what happened in philadelphia obviously, amy,. [inaudible] with Police Brutality in the unarmed shooting of black men. I know this man allegedly had a knife producing it time and time again where the police have not attempted to the situation. And he allegedly had some sort of mental disorder. So i think that we have to not just look at this whole law and order coming from the president but whatever he going to do when you have anyone coming forward in the Trump Administration with any plan or idea on how to stop this from happening, that is problematic. The only messages lawn order, law and order. Its unfortunate i think one of the things kennedy is so important for people to nosy Police Commissioner actually came out and said some of the people doing this looting are not from these neighborhoods. And we have seen reports of white militia organizations going into black neighborhoods and encouraging this sort of. [inaudible] before we are losing you a little rochelle. I want to add onto that i think this looting is opportunistic. I think there are people who look for opportunities in these places but i do not think it is necessarily white militia. I also dont think its people protesting lack of police refor reform. I think that is a fair question. We will see if there were body cameras. And if this story could inform us in a different way. But we want to go back to the polling. Pennsylvania is one of those critical states. Pennsylvania goes for President Trump, he actually has a path to maintain the white house. It is 3. 8 biden up right now according to the politics polling average. There trump voters in pennsylvania who are with holding their feelings from pollsters. Civic pennsylvania much like my home state of florida there is a very close races at this point there also very few undecided voters at this point. There are 5 million votes already cast in this country there hundred 36 million there over halfway to where we were four years ago. The idea that anything that happens in the next couple of days will dramatically change the election. Its much less so in a conventional year. Because so many votes have already been cast. In terms of the law and order issue, Donald Trumps poll numbers will not move a great deal over the summer paid at least to the extent they moves, theyre not moving in a positive direction for him. Its watching poll after poll, this issue did not help trump over the summer. A difference that was been over the summer the focus was i think a lot of the peaceful protests. On george floyd which a lot of people were very sympathetic to that cause. That has faded from the news in those images people are saying or what youre talking about with philadelphia. The only reason i can think there might be some voters on the margin that might move but we are so close to election day. But also think of the margins we are essential within the margin of error. Certainly in florida. The president wasnt by. 4 . Yesterday the back even today. Its a close, not as close in pennsylvania. Still anything can happen. We still do not know. That is why these next six days are critical. The panel returns later on part i told you a fistful of geniuses, i was not lying. The governments been spending money like a poet on payday, oh no. And we are sinking further and further into debt. All the said ted cruz claims republicans are finally ready to turn off the spigot. Where will he put our money . Will he put it wears pretty little mouth is . The monologue is next, stay with me. Kennedy well hello welcome back. Remember the good old days with republicans or copper cutters and democrats were nervous. Even goofy beta overwork skated the congress as a lefty. And government shrinkers like rand paul and ted cruz break so what happened to these phony wonks on the way to status him . Democrats push the socialist spending so obscenely far left. Anyone who is not committed to spending quite as much money, so many trillion was seen as responsibly thrifty. Cut to a pandemic. What happens to congress and a president who likes to spend as though every American House deserves its own gold toilet. And you had the National Debt that has ballooned 36 since President Trump took office. Now to be fair, is never run around in abacus and scissors promising to tidy up the national finances. He ran a increasing military spending and maintaining Social Security and medicare. The only time this current crop of republicans balks at the firehose gushing away our kids future, as when there are ideological disagreements about the climate or nationalized healthcare. It is like getting mad at someone for ordering crab legs instead of caviar. Please ponder these wise words from liberties lonely titan freedman who wisely said keep your eye on one thing and one thing only. How much government is spending. Because that is the true tax. If you would our not paying for in the form of exquisite taxes of inflation or in the form of borrowing. And borrow it we must elect twopoint to trillion dollars cares act which by the next bipartisan spending jag that is light on accountability. But an absolute magnitude for crony corruption. Ten crews admitted republicans will at some point in the future have to rediscover their past, but that is only a President Trump is defeated and republicans lose a senate. At the Minority Party theyll put laid the victim. The chance to make meaningful cuts on the pulley hat trick. Now they will be left at the empty net and empty promises that will not pay the piper would try to set shall be the money. First china gave us the coronavirus, and now that will give deliver a crushing nut punch once the debt bill comes due. That is the memo. Support the potential for democrat takeover less than a week, who can we trust to rein in Government Spending . My next guest is one of the few republicans who has been consistent on this issue, throughout this administration. In his tenure in congress. And i expect to do the same thing in the future, whichever side may win on tuesday. With me now Kentucky Republican congressman and House SpeakerOversight Committee member, Thomas Massie is back. Lets get sassy with massie. Welcome back sir. Thank you kennedy. If were going to talk about republicans going fiscal conservatives of the House Speaker and senate, i want to know when they ever were. Ive been there eight years, they have not cut spending. They talk about it when they campaign. But it has never happened. Then on march 27, i stood up, only asked for was a recorded vote on the biggest spending bill in history. And my own party, it only took 20 of congress to stand up with me to it get a recorded vote. They did not even want to go on the record for spending that much money. We spent 3 trillion this summer, kennedy. If you take that and divide it for 3000 counties, that is a billion dollars. County we spent. It is crazy. Is a phenomenal amount of money. My problem is that helping people whose businesses have been completely butchered by the forced lockdown. My problem is those are the last people to get help. The first people are the giant corporations. Or the Kennedy Center for the performing arts which gets 30 million according to the latest deal. And when guys are passing the budget, give not even read the whole thing. Were talk about 2300 pages and you are getting amendments while you are in the process of voting. That seems criminal. You know candidate, is 1200 checks of the cheese and the trap. The trappist socialism and cronyism. We talked about the 3 trillion we spent the summer and divided by 3 trillion citizens if 10000. Citizen. If you are a family of five you should have received 50000 at this was going to the people. Instead, youre holding the bag for 50000. Now to be an equal to be equal too the other side, blame my own party for not being conservative on this point. The democrats are turning too the tax cuts for they are single if you had cut this tax will not have such a deficit. Wait a second, the tax cut was 2 trillion over ten years. That means 200 billion a year. That is a drop in the bucket compared to the 3 trilliondollar deficit we have this year. The spending, Milton Freedman was right this spending is the real tax. Yes that is the real tax. I talked with just a guitar loft on the Maiden Voyage of might podcast last week trying to get them to convince meet and jessica admitted there is no cutting coming from the bite insid