Unindicted co conspirators. What youre watching on your screen is the cover of that page of the indictment if we can put that up on the screen that would be great here. Now, with more we go back to Law Professor and Fox News ContributorJonathan Turley. Jonathan im looking at that. If you look at the document that made it to the media talking about 10 specific indictments, how do you read it . Using your background as the great Law Professor, you are. Ah well, when youre talking about 10 of diamonds, it has that classic profile of racketeering case thats where willis really gained her fame as a local prosecutor, you often will have large numbers of people linked in a conspiracy to make out that case, you have to establish a pattern. Just a relatively few crimes are may predicate crime list. That is a list of crimes that are the basis for racketeering. I charges in this case they are likely to use crimes like fraud and combine all of these actors in a large sort of comprehensive conspiracy. Thats the most likely thing here. The problem is not that you know record. The rico statutes were designed for the mob, but they havent used far beyond the mob. The problem is how theyre being used. In this context. This is an election challenge in a state that we had a razor thin margin. Roughly 11,000 votes is really nothing in a state of this size. And so during those days following the president ial election, the Trump Campaign was alleging they are the machines were manipulated that there are all types of wrongdoing. They lost those those claims, but the question is, is it a crime to raise them . Is it a crime even if these allegations were untrue to make them do a State Legislature or do accord or to the public at large . Which the concern is that you can create a chilling effect. Keep in mind that after this election, democratic lawyers like marc elias broad challenges alleging that machines in new york flipped votes that there was Machine Problems there that changed the outcome essentially i know. One said that that was a crime and it wasnt a crime. These are challenges that occur in close elections. The question is, do they have anything more here . Can they show they are these were knowingly false claims, and they had officials were told to violate their oaths. But its got to be more than telling them that. I believe theres voter fraud. I want a recount, and so we have to see what the indictment alleges specifically to base this this conspiracy on it certainly is. I mean from from a legal standpoint, this this is rather unique and maybe , and in many ways historically unprecedented, as ted cruz said. But youre right when they were talking about historically how Rico Racketeering charges have come out. Theyve been used against the mob. Then you have the Special Counsel even in reaching back into laws designed to go after the ku klux klan and one has to look at this particular case and wonder, okay, um, ive read the transcript. Youve read the transcript, professor. I read it multiple times and donald trump. It is a long transcript that phone call that went on for a long time. Theres a lot of lawyers on that phone too. And i didnt hear one lawyer. Speak up at any moment and say excuse me, mr president. This might be inappropriate to discuss this in this particular way in this particular forum, or i feel a form of pressure that youre putting on me. That didnt happen either. Didnt happen any anytime shortly thereafter, so the question is you know, as you look at the very deep, almost unprecedented way that theyre trying to approach going after donald trump when somebody talks about a real belief in their heart that he believes he won by 400,000 votes that was on that Phone Call Transcript and another 8000 votes here and another, you know, 17,000 votes here and then its what 11,780 i believe was. Thats all i need. Thats hardly an indictment of the president saying, will you get me 11,780 . I really think i won 400,000 more than your county. I think that is an overall or overarching argument. Hes making know. How did you interpret it . Well no, i did interpret the call as suggesting that i dont need many votes in a recount the change the outcome. It was a natural argument to make. This was essentially like a settlement call, and state officials were pushing back. I think a good faith saying, look , we looked at it. We dont see those votes and trump was basically responded. If you do a state recount. I dont need many votes. You just need to find 11,000. And this entire election turns over now we can all debate what was in Donald Trumps mind. But is that really the basis of a criminal case . Is that what you want . For future cases, elections have been challenged in this country and virtually every election. Ive covered elections for various networks. Probably the last 10 or so elections or are always seems that many and every single one we, we would chart and track the challenges coming from the losing party. We never accused them of committing a crime about it. So the question here is what do you have to distinguish this case . There wont create that chilling effect. Theres a problem here. By the way. I wanted to flag sean. The greatest danger about a rico case is it tends to be harder to go up on appeal before trial. The reason is that the rico statute is written in a way they are. Its easy to establish these predicates in this pattern. And its a factual matter. And so its hard enough to get a court of appeals to rule before a trial and these threshold issues. Its particularly hard in a rico case, so this is going to be a problem for donald trump, not just in georgia in the dc case, the judge there could also make it difficult for trump to take what i think are very strong. Constitutional challenges to the Court Of Appeals In Supreme court, so we dont know if higher courts will get an opportunity to throw a flag on this play. Yeah amazing. Professor stay with us. We are still awaiting we now, as we told you earlier, 10 indictments handed down by the Fulton County grand jury that worked late into the night tonight, signed by the judge filed by the clerk and the clerk, telling the media that he expects it would have been over an hour ago. The longest period of time that you can expect it to be unsealed in three hours, so it could very well be any moment. Now we do have, uh, Trump Campaign spokesman. The president will talking about this and President Trump will fight these bogus indictments. And talking about how the d a in Fulton County, willis has strategically stalled their investigation to try and you know, maximally interfere with the 2024 president ial race damage the dominant Trump Campaign. All of these Corrupt Democratic attempts will fail intentionally slow walk the investigations. That they could have brought this 2. 5 years ago. Thats an argument. President trump has made a number of times before yet they chose to do this for Election Interference Reasons in the middle of President Trumps successful campaign. Um and that is leading other republicans by a lot and is leading joe biden in almost every poll. President trump represents the greatest threat to these democrats. Political futures and quote parentheses. The greatest hope for america. The legal double standard set against President Trump must end. Then he talks about the crooked biden cartel. No rules for democrats. Republicans face charges for exercising First Amendment rights alright, we bring back our legal panel. Gregg jarrett, Former Acting Ag , matt whitaker, harvard Law Professor alan dershowitz. I promised you all that i wanted to give you an opportunity to respond to what we had heard earlier today when the Fulton County courthouse website had put up a list of charges, among them Rico Racketeering, conspiracy, etcetera, etcetera , um, professor dershowitz, lets start with you and let you respond. Why did they go with that . Well first of all, that we should take it all seriously. The fact that it was a grand jury indictment, it means nothing. Its the prosecutor who indicted the best evidence of that is that whos on his website before the grand jury even voted now the whole strategy of all these four cases is to get a conviction before the election , even if theyre going to lose on appeal. I used to teach my students, many of them future prosecutors. If you bring a rico case that increases your chances of winning a trial and losing on appeal, the same thing is true with conspiracy and other cases involving mental states. And so all four of these cases are designed to get quick, quick convictions in jurisdictions that are heavily loaded against donald trump. And these prosecutors dont care as much as prosecutors generally do about having the convictions reversed on appeal, because that will happen after the election, which only goes to prove what ive been arguing now for four months if you going after the man whos running against your incumbent president , you would darn well better have the strongest case possible, and these are among the four least three of them. Three weakest cases ive ever seen against any candidate. We dont know about the fourth, but it seems like its very much like the d c case. And if you going after the man running for president against your person, you have to have the strongest case. Otherwise it becomes a Banana Republic. Anybody can prosecute anybody and were opening the door to prosecution of democrats by republicans. Republicans by democrats is what Alexander Hamiltons wrote in the federalist is the most dangerous threat. Democracy and were seeing it unfold in front of our eyes. Very very tragically. Im not a republican. Im not a trump supporter, but i care deeply about the constitution. I care deeply about preserving the rule of law, and were seeing it being frittered away for partisan political purposes. Let me get your reaction. Gregg jarrett. You know, exercising your legal right, sean to challenge the integrity of Voting Systems is not criminal. Its not a crime to complain , which is what the trump Telephone Call with the Secretary Of State in georgia was all about. He was complaining about ballot irregularities. Violations of election was a failure of the court to address his petition. Its not defrauding the government if you believe youre acting lawfully, and this idea of bringing Racketeering Charge seems far fetched. I mean racketeering. As the professor turley pointed out, requires proof of an organized criminal enterprise, coupled with a repeated pattern of systematic illegal behavior normally involves things like extortion from monetary Profit Control of property on a recurring basis that doesnt fit here, does it . I mean, this was a singular alleged episode of a Brief Duration Where Trump and his council were asking for a reconsideration of votes cast. At worst. This kind of a rico case is simply guilt by association. But i agree with professor dershowitz. The prosecutor in this case doesnt care. She wants a guilty verdict to sideline donald trump and interfere in the upcoming president ial election , which is in my judgment the definition of a corrupt act. All right. Let me get Matt Whitakers take the same topic , matt. Um because i think this is very, very crucial here. In other words, the fact that were talking about things that i dont think most americans know a whole lot of and thats you know, why is this a rico case . Why is this a racketeering case . Why did they post this earlier on the website . Um what was in your mind . And having been and a g . What do you think . What is the thinking behind this . Yeah two primary thought. First of all. What greg just said is important, but this is also being done to catapult the prosecutors. Political career. Dont forget that. And then second, you know, for 5. 5 years i was a u. S attorney. I signed indictments personally, whatever the grand jury returned true bills, you know, i made sure i signed those present mints. To the grand jury and those indictments, and that being said, i can tell you rico cases are by far the hardest cases. You you want to bring them and we tried to especially go after mexican drug cartels is a real problem here in des moines, iowa, as you can imagine, especially with the meth and fentanyl and so you know, i would look at those cases and work with the u. S a. Is on those on trying to make rico cases but to the earlier panelist pointed that Jonathan Turley point those cases are tough because theres predicate offenses. You have to show a pattern and you have to show the organization these i mean, these are criminal groups, and i just dont think this case rises to that level. I think this is a very aggressive application of that. And really, its a pattern that you know i mentioned earlier when we were talking. Its just it sees these prosecutors that are are solely trying to get out and get trump and try to hang in there not only indictment but you know, they hope a conviction and its just that most of these cases just dont have the legal structure and the legal precedent to support them. And theyre going to collapse. You know, after they get past these juries that are slanted against President Trump. All right, guys stand by er again. We were still waiting for as we were. We need to leave said we have reports now 10 indictments handed down by the Fulton County grand jury working late into the night tonight, signed by the judge now being filed by the clerk. The clerk has said over an hour ago that the maximum time which would be a few hours, so we are expecting all of that information tonight. We turn now to somebody that would that knows firsthand what its like to be on the wrong side of what we often talk about on this program and what the House Judiciary Committee is investigating whether or not job bidens Department Of Justice has been politicized and weaponized. Whether or not the fbi has been politicized and weaponized, not the rank and file but the upper echelon. And that is former Trump Campaign manager paul manafort. My recollection is paul. Your home was raided predawn raid guns drawn and the only thing that you didnt have the your your friend roger stone had is. You didnt have fake news. Cnn cameras tipped off that you were going to get rated and then you spent two years in jail and one of those years you spent in in isolation. Um and you know, thankfully, you got the pardon from President Trump. But i ask you this do you especially when we compare and contrast the biden family. The Sweetheart Deal for hunter. The fact that the media wont talk about joe the fact that you know the fix seems to be in with the appointment of david weiss, who was willing to give the Sweetheart Deal the hunter. Do you see equal justice and equal application of our laws in this country . And if not, why not . No not at all. I mean this watching the hunter biden thing and watching whats going on fold Fulton County tonight is bringing back to me the experiences that i went through, which is, you know, having a prosecutor who in bob mueller, who understood from the day he was appointed that there was no russian collusion because we now know thanks to john duck, john durham that that obama knew brennan briefed him. He briefed the fbi. He beefed members of the administration that it was a Campaign Trick by dirty by hillary clinton. So by the time in may of 2017 miller took office, he knew there was no russian collusion. So what did he do . Because he was the goal was not to get me was to get donald trump. He had the kind something to get into Foreign Policy. So he went after me on unfair violations and just created out of whole cloth, a case that in fact, very unit at Department Of Justice had cleared me on and it worked in arrangement with me on. There were no criminal penalties, no civil penalties. Ah no, no guilt at all. And in muellers team got that thrown out so they couldnt come after me to try and pressure me to get donald trump. And to say things about donald trump that werent true. Well im watching now, whats going on with hunter . Biden and his laptop alone has emails and meetings that create a fair case in about 15 minutes. They had nothing on me. They had no meetings they had no, no. No activities of my capitol hill. No emails, but they but they had a motivation and just like youve seen it with in Fulton County today, uh, you know, the motivation is part of a Grand Conspiracy to derail donald trump because he is an existential threat. To the left and what their goals are and listening to some of the panelists tonight, you know, you know the blue states where theyre bringing these cases. I had a jury pool in in in what . Washington d c. Its were getting ready to Go To Church Trial that i got the judge to agree to let me do a questionnaire, which, frankly, we created like we would have bowl. To ask pool of 200 jurors a series of questions that would allow us to analyze whether they could be fair or not to me and to the jurys credi