In los angeles in this is americas late news fox news at night. And breaking tonight the battle of the flags. The Palestinian Flag has flown on so many College Campuses this week but today administers at George Washington university ordered the large American Flag directly above a sea of pro Palestinian Protesters. You see right there flying high on the statue of George Washington. And earlier this week the nypd toward down a Palestinian Flag and raise the Stars Stripes once again on the university of new yorks campus in these unc Frat Brothers defended the flag amid pro palestinian protests on their campus. More on that later. Those of course our snapshots of the campus chaos that is gripped so many colleges this week. Campuses have been trash. Learning has certainly been lost in Graduation Ceremonies have been canceled. While many protesters argue a powerful point has been made. Certainly some universities will never be the same. Weve got Fox Team Coverage here in los angeles but first lets go to Alexis Mcadams on the ground in New York City. Its been a long week for new york colleges and frankly for you. How does it look out there tonight . Long week in New York City for those police who have been on the scene really trying to keep control of those crowds and tonight things have been pretty calm out here just compared to the last few days and talking a pretty good weather on a friday night that wasnt going to be the case but earlier today Police Conducted the sweeps at College Campuses in manhattan and taking a look at the screen on the right left was nyu and Police Moving around 6 00 am with a rough wakeup call for protest theyre starting to clear up in gaza, solidarity encampment at 6 00 in the morning and then moving to the Liberal Arts College called the new School Protest were very chaotic last night in the area. The nypd says the schools called them for help yet again. This Afternoon Faculty Members at Nyu World Picketing saying they were against the disciplinary action the schools are giving the student protesters. Watch. You cannot be calling yourself a university if you arrest your faculty and you arrest your students for a peaceful protest. Universities must be a Free Exchange of ideas and of free speech and protest. Not all of those protests at the universities have been peaceful. We saw that right here at New York City. Nyu and nypd had to come to Hamilton Hall where they barricaded the area with. 1 could consider nypd have outside groups coming and even bringing in weapons to try to cause trouble we see it on the ground almost every night. Jonathan. Jonathan great work. Thank you Alexis Mcnett it mcadams. Here in los angeles a stark contrast on how on campus protested to the top colleges in california if not in the country. Uec la and usc have been handled by their respective administrations. Here in la taking a closer look at that story tonight. Good evening. And did we are. The usc president feeling the heat over handling of the protest that brought the campus over the last 2 weeks with dozens of Faculty Calling for her to step down after canceling graduation and angering parents and met with the leaders of the pro Palestinian Movement for talks several times in the hopes of working out a deal to end the chaos which did not happen. Instead the team called in the lapd resulting in 93 arrests. An interview with the Los Angeles Times on monday she said quote i believe that all along the way we have made the right choice. And at ucla more than 200 protesters were arrested on thursday morning a day after counter protesters targeted the pro palestinian encampment there. Students and professors were among those taken to jail including 1 professor that released a statement on why she canceled class. Quote the police destroyed my backpack with a class test in it as well as my Apartment Keys and a large knife and did not return it to me and was not possible to have class. When asked by fox news if you want professors and students who were arrested thursday be prosecuted or suspended, governor gavin newsom providing the same response he posted to x. On wednesday in part quote the law is clear the right to free speech does not extend to inciting violence vandalism or lawlessness saying those involved should be held accountable including through criminal prosecutions, suspension or sis but expulsion. After the night of violence at ucla classes have been canceled and an investigation is underway to the response to the nahum. Jonathan thank you so much. With fortunate to have with us now to discuss the latest Development Development on the ongoing oncampus unrest the usc president who is actually directly involved in the discussions between students and the usc administration. Rate to have you here and thank you for coming in this friday evening. Get the usc in a moment the first want to ask about the extraordinary scenes we Saw Play Out Tuesday Night with the clashes between protesters and counter protesters at ucla and then the Police Clearing out those protesters. What did you make of that . We often think about outside agitators as people who are among the protesters themselves. This time its not outside agitators in the form of proisrael agitators who came and pulls the hecklers veto if you will of the violence was a way of saying we dont like what youre going to say we can as bystanders ramp up the response in such a way that the university will come in and veto it did seem like a real frustration by that pro israeli group. Absolutely. Jonathan the ministration wasnt doing nothing there. In their view they werent but the police were supposed to make sure violence doesnt break out and violence broke out. Jonathan we were live all night with that and it was extraordinary to me that for 3 hours i saw all of this violence and did not see a Single Police officer. It seemed like extort meant. That was jawdropping and they couldve intervened and quelled that very easily and 1 can only wonder coming back the next night and use that as a reason to disband everything. So its ahead scratcher. Jonathan to usc now where you are and you are involved directly with these negotiations between president and the students. The major Graduation Ceremony has been canceled and the protesters are still there. A group of Them In The Park and after the initial response by the lapd president backed off and allowing the group to stay. Its a big contrast because it for the moment at least it seems peaceful at usc. Makes you wonder what was the original justification for bringing in the lapd over safety concerns but it doesnt seem like its been especially unsafe since the times that they retook alumni park therapy no outbreaks and violence. I was there the first day when they were starting, they were, you know, meditations and Yoga Sessions out here. A Poetry Reading over here. 1 has to wonder if it was necessary to bring the lapd versus the president herself sitting down with students and singlets have a conversation and lets see if we can find some Common Ground. Jonathan so where are we now . Because Graduation Ceremonies all of the big 1 hasnt taken place yet. Smaller Graduation Ceremonys beginning on wednesday. Its a Ticking Clock here it is a Ticking Clock. Weve had 20 plus Satellite Graduations and they happen at alumni park and its going to be a sight of perhaps 3 or 4 of them. So the administration would definitely like to have that space for the graduations. The students who are occupying it want some of their demands met before theyre going to move. Were going to see if theres 1 to be any way to reach some kind of middleground before wednesday jonathan it was watching some of the video you gave us just there on the talks that were going on on thursday i believe it was or wednesday. We have not crossed a line i believe between free speech and violence in the expression of violence at usc but we seem to be on edge. At this point we havent and the real violence for the students in my conversation with the president was when the lapd arrived and started, you know, handling students in a heavyhanded way. A number of the students are jewish for peace. Some of my students, you know, the people were saying we want to make the camp is safer for jewish students. Many of the jewish students were among the protesters who were arrested and they say i dont feel safe here with the lapd laying hands on me while im trying to protest. Jonathan 10 seconds. Does the president have your support . As long as she can in good faith reach some Common Ground with the protesters absolutely but she has to make that effort to preach that Common Ground. Jonathan its been a pleasure having you think you so much on this friday evening. Turning now to the Law Enforcement perspective on all this we are joining by a retired nypd inspector and a fox news contributor. You and i spent many hours together this week watching i think with mines that were boggled to coin a phrase. At the lack of Law Enforcement response on the campus at ucla to begin with. Professor was just talking about that and do you think they got it right ultimately . I think they got it right at ucla after much delay because when they went in they got it done with how great despite the fact that the encampment at ucla was heavily fortified and the wind i saw those Plywood Barriers that was it tied together and i thought it was actually going to be a lot rougher than it was but it goes to what you and i were talking about that night. If you call the police in and allow them to do their jobs theyre going to get it done. Ucla became what usc did not. That was a very depiction of what was going on at usc. There were agitators all over these campuses, professional agitators and lets remember that all you hear here is things like from the river to the sea which is the eradication of the state of israel. Hamas is embedded in that and i dont want to hear anybody decrying hamas and i have to say that uscs instance by acting early you didnt get what you got at ucla and as a result he or and my werent boggled relative to usc. Jonathan and what about the nypd action that we saw earlier at columbia . That seemed to be a textbook operation. Planned in the way that the la response at ucla didnt seem to be planned well enough were quickly enough. The nypd operation said to me really textbook even though at a different context and the campus where they cant effectively lock it down rather than a public university. The difference was leadership. The nypd planted out and they knew had to go especially after these characters took to the building and the nypd has done this kind of thing and as i said its part of the institutional memory and it was leadership there. In la and at ucla, theyre just seemed to be no leadership because you had 3 different agencies and who was it that couldve been the umbrella over all 3 . Youve had a county agency, Estate Agency in a city agency. Who sits over all of those . The governor. And where was the governor . Where was gavin newsom . The mayor was mia as well and you did some to hold a Press Conference and reassure the public and tell everybody this thing is going to be handled and we are putting together an attack plan and make sure that you tell the protesters that they have a deadline and to get out otherwise they are moving in with the police and thats it. Instead they let it go on and it grew and it grew and you and i saw the results. Jonathan its been great being with you all week and i hope you and everybody else has a peaceful weekend. Thank you so much. For more perspective tonight lets bring in a couple of students who have experienced the campus chaos up close. I usc grad student along with the ucla student and campus reform correspondent. Lets get to ucla first. What do you make of what happened . So the police came yesterday and now everybody is gone. Over the last couple of days its been very heartbreaking with the violence. I was at the protest on wednesday night around 1 30 pm civic time and what i heard was diverse from israel. At the zionists out. I heard all this stuff going in with the fireworks going in the encampment. Someday through Water Bottles at each other and the cones. And so a lot of violence has been present during these protests. Jonathan doesnt make you angry at the administration there . Doesnt make you angry at the protesters . Does it make you angry at the lack of Law Enforcement response initially . Who do you blame for this. I blame both honestly. The protesters took over the hall and they gave us to a building which was uncalled for but the chancellor should have done something as well. Ucla officials are verys small and and the 1 number 1 priority should be protecting students and we have random people coming in. Jonathan the usc president has said that that is the northstar as she put it. Protecting the safety of students. Is she doing a good enough job . I think up until now i wouldve said absolutely not and thats basic on campus earlier today. As i was taking my graduate photos of for the upcoming ceremony i was actually followed and harassed by some agitators on campus in and around the encampment. And to be honest i think they should be taken more steps to enforce the campus policies that these people are openly breaking. Jonathan as a student there, graduation, the major Graduation Ceremony has been canceled. The smaller ceremonies will still take place although the professor was just saying there could be a flashpoint before then. How do you react to the idea that the big Graduation Ceremony, the big 1 will not be happening . Its a disgrace to be honest. Its a disgrace. My first graduation sermon he was supposed to take place during covid. Jonathan you are the class of 2020 from high school . Me and all of my peers now had the celebration ripped from them. The joyous occasion we worked very hard for Anything University has responsibly to safeguard our students and i think theres 1 thing i want to add as well. He was he has instituted a policy of containment for this issue which has not been successful. I watch students top uscs fences today annually people that were impacted by the policy are the students who are now unable to get to the classes. Unable to study in the libraries for their exams, unable to take their finals. It takes me 3 times more time than it usually does just to get onto campus because of the way they locked it down. Jonathan just to wrap it up real quick, has violence trumped freespeech here . How do you see that . I think everybody has a right to free speech. When we have people screaming kick the zionists out that changes the mind. Jonathan just in and mark thank you for having you here and mark i hope you get to enjoy a real graduation. It is a tragedy for the class of 2020 ripped from covid to see the ceremony. Thank you both for being here. For for more insight into these protests Trace Gallagher hooked up with a special guest. To get away trace. The former Education Secretary great to have you on the show as always. What do you think about whats happening across the country with these anti israel protest that we see popping up and dropping down on campuses here . Your thoughts on that . Its terrible and its 1 of the most elite campuses and colleges and theres been a lot of focus on outside agitators and indeed there are many of them pack may be happen some places. But theres also what i call the inside agitators thats the faculty who are egging on the outside agitators and egging on the students. Criticizing the police. Now calling on the university to account for having called the police. This just tells us what a mess a lot of our universities are and to the degree that is exposing sunlight here, thats a good thing. And do you say and you have heard that a lot of comparisons between these protests in the protest in vietnam in 1968. Is there a comparison in your estimation . Its worse now. We have gotten worse. I didnt favor the protest against the war and 68 but i had friends who did and felt strongly about the war. Some went to canada, you know, i was in a principal position at least. But there was an arguable position. Its not an arguable position to say that jews should be eliminated. What kind of nonsense is that . Its crazy. This is just insanity and then our president wants to invite palestinian students to come to the u. S. And study. 92 percent i think was the number of palestinians voting for hamas. Does he really want to import hamas students into our universities anymore than we we already got on these campuses . And bill it troubles me bec