Bret good evening im Bret Baier its five weeks until election day. Martha we are waiting for the debate to get started with ohio senator j. D. Vance from the top from the Trump Ticket and minnesota governor Tim Walz coming Face To face as there is an active backdrop in america for issues for them to deal with tonight. Bret its the Cbs Vice President ial debate beginning in moments thanks for watching it here with us on fox news. Tonight it the matchup comes as the u. S. Faces escalate in crises at home and abroad with devastation of Hurricane Helene to iranian strakes in israel. All that weighing heavily on the campaigns and on stage tonight. Martha they both share a midwestern background and are expected to have stark views on opposing issues and well see how that plays on the Debate Stage. Postgame and analysis afterwards. Norah im Norah Odonnell and thanks for joining us for the Cbs Vice President ial debate. We welcome our viewers on cbs and other networks here in the u. S. And Around The World. We have a consequential night ahead and our focus is the issues that matter to you, the voter. Introducing the candidates, minnesota democratic governor Tim Walz and ohio republican senator j. D. Vance, Tonight Meeting for the first time. Margaret i margaret brennan, in order to have a thoughtful and civil debate these are the rules both campaigns agreed to it. Questions will be directed at one candidate who has 2 minutes to respond. The other candidate will be allowed 2 minutes for rebuttal and each candidate gets another minute to make further points. One additional minute each at discretion of the moderator. The primary role of moderators is to facilitate debate between candidates and enforce the rules and provide candidates with opportunity to factcheck the by each other. Norah Cbs News reserves the right to mute microphones to maintain decorum. We havent shared topics or questions with the campaigns. The stage is set, a governor, senator, thank you both for joining us lets get started. Tonight the country faces several unfolding crises with the Middle East on the brink of war and american suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene. I labor has 25,000 dockworkers picketing. We begin tonight with the Middle East, margaret . Margaret thank you norah, earlier Today Iran launched its largest attack on israel but it failed thanks to joint u. S. And israeli defensive action. President biden deployed more than 40,000 u. S. Military personnel and assets to the region over the past year to prevent a regional war. Iran is weakened, but the u. S. Still considers it the largest State Sponsor of terrorism in the world and has did drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. It is now down to just 12 weeks time. Governor Walt Governor walz if you are the final voice in the Situation Room would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by israel on iran you have 2 minutes. Thank you and thank you for those joining us at home tonight. Lets remember where this started, October Seventh where hamas terrorists massacred 1400 israelis and took prisoners. Israels ability to defend itself is fundamental. Its issued to get its hostages back is fundamental. And ending the military in crisis in gaza. But the expansion of israel and its proxies is an absolute Fund Bill fundamental its city for the u. S. Leadership there. You saw that today where with our israeli partners and coalition able to stop the incoming attack. What is fundamental here is the steady leadership will matter. It is clear as the world saw on the Debate Stage a few weeks ago and nearly 80yearold Donald Trump talking about Crowd Sizes is not what we need in this moment. But it isnt just that, its those closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous Periods Chief of staff John Kelly said he was the most flawed Human Being he ever met. Both of his secretaries of defence and his National Security advisors said he should be nowhere near the White House. The person closest to them, to Donald Trump, said he is unfit for the highest office which was Senator Vance. What weve seen from Vice President harris steady leadership and a calmness to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together. Understanding that our Allies Matter and when our allies see Donald Trump turned towards a Vladimir Putin, turned towards north korea, when we see that type of fickleness around Holding Coalitions together its an issue. We will stay committed and as the Vice President said today we will protect forces and allied forces and there will be consequences. Norah governor your time is up, Senator Vance your same question. Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by israel on iran, 2 minutes. Vance i will answer The Question, Thanks Governor and thanks to cbs for hosting the debate and thanks most important leave the american people watching this Evening And Care enough about the country to pay attention to this Vice President ial debate. I will answer The Question but i also want to introduce myself as many people dont know who won or either of us are. I was in a Workingclass Family my mother requiring Food Assistance for periods and my grandfather needing social Security Help to raise me. My mother startled also with addiction in my early life. I went to college on the g. I. Bill after i was in the marine corps and served in iraq. I ask to be a Vice President with gratitude for this country and The American Dream that made it possible to live my dreams and most importantly i know many of you are worried about the chaos in the world and feeling the american Drina Hymn is unattainable. I want to convince you over the next 90 minutes that if we get leadership in the White House, to get trump back in the White House it will be attainable once again. We also do have to remember as much as Governor Walls accuse Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump delivered stability in the world and did so by establishing effective deterrence. People were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran which launched the attack received 100 Billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Harris Administration. What did they use the money for . They are using it for weapons launched against her allies and god forbid eventually, launched against the united states as well. Donald trump realize for people to fear the united states you need peace through strength. They need to recognize that they got out of line the United States Global Leadership would put Stability And Peace back in the world. You asked about a preemptive Strike Margaret and i want to answer The Question. Its up to israel to what they need to do to keep up their country safe and we will support our allies whenever they are fighting the bad guys. Thats the right approach to take with the israel question. Margaret Governor Walls Governor Walz do you want to respond to that . When Donald Trump was in office and we sometimes hear Revisionist History, when trump was in the office we had a coalition of nations that boxed iranian nuclear program to advance. Trump pulled the program and put nothing in its place so they are closer to a nuclear weapons and they were before because of his fickle leadership. When iran shot down in american aircraft in international airspace, trump tweeted. Thats his standard diplomacy. When iranian missiles fell near u. S. Troops and they got traumatic Brain Injuries . Trump wrote it off as headaches. Our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle and he will go to whoever is the most flattery or where it makes sense to him. Steady leadership like he witnessed today, like you witnessed in april. Both iranian attacks were repelled, the coalition a strong and we need the steady Leadership Harris provides. Norah Senator Vance of the u. S. Had a diplomatic deal with iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear Program And President trump exited the deal at the time. Recently he did say just five days ago the u. S. Must now make a diplomatic deal with iran because the consequences are impossible. Did he make a mistake, one minute. Vance first of all margaret, the plums he is not a dirty word and what he said was extraordinary. Iran is as close to a nuclear Weapon Today as ever been and Governor Walz you blame Donald Trump, who has been president for the last three and a half years, who has been Vice President last three and a half years your Running Mate not mine. The sequence of events that led us to where we are right now and we cant ignore October Seventh which i appreciate him bringing up. When did iran and hamas in their Proxies Attack Israel . It was during the administration of Kamala Harris. He can criticize harris tweets but Diplomacy And Peace through strength is that you bring stability to a broken world. Donald trump has done it before and ask yourself at home. When was the last time, im 40 years old now, when was the last time the american president didnt have a major Conflict Break out . The only answer is when trump was president. Margaret norah . Norah now we turn to hurricane the helene. The storm could become one of the deadliest on record with more than 160 people dead and hundreds missing. Scientists say that Climate Change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. Senator vance according to Cbs News bowling, seven in ten americans and 60 of republicans under the age of 45 favour the u. S. Taking steps to reduce Climate Change. What responsibility, Senator Vance, does the Trump Administration have to reduce the impact of Climate Change. 2 minutes. Vance first lets start with the hurricane its an unspeakable human tragedy. I saw today a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a 6yearold child. It was the last photograph taken of them as the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives. I join Governor Walz and that our prayers go out to them and what is robust and aggressive is a federal responses we can get to save as many lives as possible and afterwards to help people in the communities rebuild. These are communities i love, Semi Know personally in appellation and across the southeast. They need their government to do their job and i commit when trump is president , the government will put the citizens of the country first when they suffer from a disaster. And norah you asked about Climate Change which is an important issue. Many people are justifiably worried about the crazy Weather Patterns its important to say Donald Trump and i support clean air and clean water. We want the Environment Cleaner and safer but what ive noticed of our democratic friends talking about this is a concern about Carbon Emissions. The Idea Carbon emissions drives Climate Change. Lets say its true for the sake of argument so we dont argue about Weird Science lets say its true. If you believe that, what would you want to do . You would want to restore as much american manufacturing and produce as much energy as possible in the united states of america because we are the cleanest economy in the world. What have harris policies led to . More Energy Production in china, more manufacturing overseas, more Doing Business in some of the dirtiest parts of the world. When i say that the amount of Carbon Emissions they do per unit of economic output. If we actually care of getting cleaner air and water, the best thing to do is double down and invest in american workers and the american people. Unfortunately, harris has done the opposite. Norah Governor Walz your turn to respond. We got close to an agreement as those things are happening. First of all its a horrific tragedy with the hurricane and my heart goes out to the folks down there. Ive been in contact with the governors as i serviced cochair of the council of governors and we worked together in these emergency met managements. Governors know no partisanship we work together with them and the partisan and the first responders on the ground. We are still a phase where we need to make sure they are staying there and staying focused. Back to Climate Change, there is no doubt this thing roared on to the scene faster instructor than anyThing Weve seen. Senator vance has said theres a climate problem. But trump called it a hoax and that these things will make more beachfront property to invest in. What weve seen out of the Harris Administration now, the bidenHarris Administration weve seen investment. The massive investment, the biggest and global history and the Inflation Reduction Act crating jobs across the country. 2000 in jeffersonville, ohio taking the Ev Technology we invented and making it here. 200,000 jobs across the country, the largest solar Manufacturing Plant is in minnesota. My farmers know Climate Change is real with 500 year droughts and floods backtoback. What they have done is adapting to allow them to tell me i harvest Corn Or Soybean and wind. We produce more natural yes and oil than any other time we have. But we are also producing more clean energy. The solution for us is to continue to move forward that Climate Change is real and reducing our impact is critical. This isnt a false choice. You can do that at the same time you create the jobs we see across the country. Thats what this administration is done and we see us becoming an Energy Superpower for the future not just the current. Thats what makes sense and then we start thinking about how we mitigate these disasters. Norah senator i want to give you an opportunity to respond, President Trump said Climate Change was a hoax what do you think . Vance the democrats in particular Kamala Harris in their leadership if they believe Climate Change is serious, what they would do is more manufacturing and Energy Production in the united states of america. So clearly Kamala Harris doesnt believe her own rhetoric on this. If she did she would agree with Debt Energy policies of Donald Trump. When we talk about clean energy its a slogan that often the democrats will use and of course about the democratic leadership is what im talking about. If you are spending hundreds of millions or billions of american Taxpayer Money on solar panels made in china. First of all you make the economy dirtier. We need to make those solar panels here. Vance a lot of them are made here. Walz vance some of them are but a lot of them are made overseas so if you want to make the climate cleaner you want to invest in more Energy Production. We havent built a nuclear facility in the last 40 years. Natural gas we need to invest more in it. Kamala harris has done the opposite Raising Energy prices. Norah senator your time is up, governor would you like to respond . Walz were producing more Natural Gas to me never had theres no moratorium on that. We are producing more oil. These are folks not liberal folks not green new deal folks these are farmers one Drought Oneyear and massive flooding the next year. How are number 1 export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms. We saw that in minnesota this summer and thinking about how we respond to that we are thinking ahead on this. What Kamala Harris has done, in minnesota we are weatherproofing these things. The Info Structure Law passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future. How we protect our future by burying power lines, how did he protect Lake Fronts and things we are seeing more and more of. But to call it a hoax and take the Oil Executive over to his Florida State and say give money to my campaign annulled let you do whatever you want. We can be smarter for that and what shes doing is crating these jobs right here. Norah governor your time is up, the overwhelming consensus is that the climate is warming up at him present a rate. Now to the crisis at the u. S. Mexico border consistently ranking as one of the top issues for american voters. Senator vance, your campaign has pledged to carry out the largest Mass Deportation Plan in american history and to use the u. S. Military to do so. Could you be more specific of how this will work great, for example, would you deport parents who entered the u. S. Illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on u. S. Soil. 2 minutes. Vance first of all margaret before we talk about deportations we need to stop the bleeding. Its a historic Immigration Crisis but because harris started and wanted to do away with all of trumps immigration policies. Decriminalizing Illegal Aliens, massively increasing Asylum Fraud which exists in the system. Its opening floodgates and what it meant is fentanyl is coming in the country. I had a mother who struggled with Opioid Addiction and got clean. I dont want people struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because harris led fentanyl into our communities at record levels. You need to stop the Bleeding And Reemployment Donald Trump Border Policies, build the wall and reimplement deportations. Back to your Point Margaret about what we do, we have 2025000000 Illegal Aliens in the country and what do we do with them . First we start with the criminal migrants. A million of those people have committed some sort of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally. You starve deportations on those folks. You also make it harder for them to undercut the wages of american workers as a lot of people will go home if they Cant Work for less than minimum wage in our own country. Thats also good for our workers who want to earn a fair wage for doing a good days work. Finally margaret you asked about Family Separation. Right now we have 320,000 children the department of Homeland Security has effectively lost. Some sex trafficked, summer hopefully a homes with their families, some of been used as Drug Trafficking meals. The real Family Separation policy in the country is unfortunately Kamala Harris is wide open southern border. Id ask My Fellow Americans win they came to office she said she would do this. Real leadership would be saying i screwed up lets go to Donald Trumps Border Policies i wish he would do it it would be good for All Of Us. Margaret governor do you care to respond to any of the specific allegations including that the Vice President is quote leading in fentanyl and using kids as Drug Meals among other things . Walz yes, the Drug Mule thing isnt true but i will say this about fentanyl because it is a crisis, the opioid crisis. The last 12 months saw the largest a decrease in opioid destination history. 30 decrease in ohio but theres more work to do. Back to immigration, harris was Attorney General and the largest state, a Border State and california. Shes the only one who prosecuted transnational gangs for human Trafficking And Drug interventions. We all want to solve it or rather most of us want to solve that and that is u. S. Congress, thats Border Patrol agents thats Chamber Of Commerce thats most americans. Thats why we had the fairest and toughest bill on immigration the nation has ever seen. It was crafted by a conservative senator from oklahoma, james langford. I know him, he super conservative but as a man of principle to get it done. A Democrat Summer republicans worked on the legislation and Border Patrols said this is what we need, those are the experts in the Chamber Of Commerce of the Wall Street Journal said harris help us get there. 50 new border agents, detection for drugs, a Doj Money to speed up the adjudications on it just what america wants. As soon as that was getting ready to pass and tackle this. Donald trump said no, told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue. What would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did these things and that they need to be done by the legislature. You cant just do this for executive branch. We have the options to do this. Donald trump had it for offer a years to do this. He promised america how easy it would be ill build you a beautiful Wall And Mexico will pay for it. Less than 2 of that got built and mexico didnt pay a dime. Here we are again nine years after he came down the escalator, a dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do. As far as deportation plans, at one point j. D. Vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable. Thats where we are at, passed a bill, she will sign it. Margaret governor years sign us up, senator The Question is will you separate parents from your children even if their kids are u. S. Citizens. One minute. Vance my point is we are ready have massive child separations because of the harris Open Border. I didnt accuse harris of inviting Drug Meals i said she enabled mexican Drug Cartels to operate freely in this country and we know they use children as Drug Meals. Its a disgrace and it has to stop. What tim said doesnt pass the smell test. For three years harris went out bragging that she would undo Donald Trump a Border Policies and it did that. We had a Record Number of illegal crossings in fentanyl coming in the country and now that shes running for president or a few months before she said somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation. The only thing she did when she became Vice President and became the appointed borders are was a undo 94 did Donald Trump Executive Actions that opened the border. The problem is leading to massive problem is in the united states of america. Parents who cant afford Health Care and schools are overwhelmed. It needs to stop and it will if trump as president. Margaret okay governor what about Cbs News polling which shows a majority of americans, more than 50 Support Mass deportations . Walz look, we fix this issue of a bill that is necessary but the issue is this is what happens when you dont want to solve it, you demonize. And he saw and Senator Vance surprised me on this. Talking about creating stories to bring attention to this. That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of springfield. The republican governor said its not true, dont do it. Theres consequences for this. We could come together, Senator Langford did it. We could come together and solve this if we didnt let Donald Trump continue to make it an issue. The consequences in springfield were that the governor had to send State Law Enforcement to escort kindergartners to school. I believe Senator Vance wants to solve it but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution it becomes a Talking Point. When it becomes a Talking Point like this we dehumanize and villain eyes other Human Beings. Margaret governor your time is up at senator let me just ask you The Question first. The governor has made the point as a sitting lawmaker that you know congress controls the first Purse Strings and funding. You have said repeatedly Donald Trump would through executive action solve this. Do you disagree that congress controls of the Purse Strings and would need to support many of the changes you actually want to implement, one minute. Vance first of all the gross majority of what we need to do is empowering Law Enforcement to do our job. Ive been to the border more than our borders are harris has been. Its heartbreaking because Order Patrol agents want to be empowered to do their job. Additional resources would help the most of it is about the president and Vice President empowering Law Enforcement to say if you come to cross the border illegally you need to stay in mexico and go through proper channels. Governor walz brought up the community of springfield and is worried about the things i said in springfield. Look, in springfield, ohio, and communities across the country you have schools overwhelmed, hospitals overwhelmed. Housing which is unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with americans for scarce homes. The people i most worried about are the American Citizens who have had their lives destroyed by the harris Open Border its a disgrace to them. Actually agree with you. If you want to solve this problem i agree but i dont think harris does. Margaret governor you have one minute to respond. Walz it is Law Enforcement to asked for the bill. They helped to craft they are the ones who supported it. Thats because they know we need to do this. This issue of continuing to bring this up of not dealing with it and blaming migrants for everything. On housing we can talk about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making it less affordable but it becomes a blame. This bill also gives us the money necessary to adjudicate. I agree that it shouldnt take seven years for this Asylum Claim to be done. This bill gets it done in 90 days and you make a difference there. Then you adhere to what we know in american principles. I dont talk about my faith a lot. But to the least amongst us you do and to me. Thats true of most americans, they simply want order to it. This bill does it, its funded, it supported by the people who do it, and it lets us keep our dignity on how we treat other people. Norah thank you governor and just to clarify for a viewers, springfield, ohio, has a large number of haitian migrants who have legal status temporarily protected status. Senator we have so much to get to. Vance i think its important. Norah were going to turn to the economy. Vance the role would be factchecking and since your factchecking me i need to say wants actually going on. Theres an application called the Cbp One app where you go as an illegal migrant and apply for Asylum Or Parole and get legal status at the wave of harris Open Border wand. That is not a person coming in applying for a Green Card waiting ten years. Its illegal immigration supported by that. As harris opens there. Norah blank. Vance we have so much sick norah we have so much to get to. Walz its been on the books since 1990. Vance its not been on the books. Norah the audience can hear you because your microphones are cut. Thank you for explaining the legal process we have a lot to get to. s before the economy is a top concern for voters each Campaigner Release and economic plans lets talk about the specifics. Governor walz of, is present Harris And Velda plan with Tax Credits for Housing And Manufacturing and a Child Tax Credit. Your proposals were said to improve the increase the Nations Deficit by 1. 2 trillion how do you do that without blaming the deficit, 2 minutes. Walz thank you and Kamala Harris believe in the middle class as do i because thats where we come from. Youre hearing a lot of Stuff Backandforth and it supposed to happen. You should be thinking how this impacts me. The plan that harris put out there is one talking about the housing issue. One thing is that there is 3 Million new houses proposed under the plan with down Payment Assistant on the front end to get you a house. At houses more than an asset to be traded somewhere its foundational to where you are at. Then making sure the things you buy every day whether its Prescription Drugs or other things that there is fairness in that. 3500dollar insulin is good thing but it takes 5 to make insulin they charged 800 before the law went into effect. As far as housing goes are seen in minnesota, prices went down on rent 4 with what we did there. Then making sure Tax Cuts go to the middle class. We have a Child Tax Couldnt minnesota and it reduced Childhood Poverty by onethird we saved money in the Long Run and did the right thing for families also getting businesses off the ground. Closet stands is a 500,000 Tax Grid for Small Business and were increasing it to 50,000. Trump made a promise and i will give you this he kept it he took folks they are out to his estate gave them Tax Cuts. Happen was 8 trilliondollar increase in the national debt largest ever. Now he wants a 20 consumption or Sales Tax on what we bring in. Everybody agrees including businesses that it would destabilize things increase inflation potentially lead to a recession. It simple for you where we going. Harris is set to do the things she wants to do we just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share when you do that the system works best more people are potential baiting and it and folks out the things they need. Norah ill give you a chance to respond in a second senator but the Wharton Plant said it would decrease the walz claim would decrease the deficit. What you have to say . Vance first youll hear a lot from walz a lot of what harris proposes to do and some of it ill be honest it even sounds pretty good heres what you wont hear that harris is 30 done it. Because shes been Vice President for three and a half years had the opportunity to enact all these great policies and what shes actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25 . Drive the cost of housing higher by 60 . Opening the American Southern Border and making middleclass life unaffordable for a large number of americans. If she has such great plans on how to address middleclass problems she ought to do them now not when asking for a promotion but in the job the american people gave her three and a half years ago. The fact she hasnt tells you how much you can trust her actual plans. Donald trumps economic plan is not just a plan but also is a record. Plenty of those economists who attacked trump plans to have phds but dont have common Sense Or Wisdom because trumps economic policies delivered the highest Takehome Pay in a generation in this country one point 5 inflation and to boot Peace And Security over the world when people say Donald Trumps economic plan doesnt make sense. I say look at the record he delivered rising Takehome Pay for american workers. Tim admiral admits that they want to undo the Trump Tax cuts. If you look at what was so different about the Trump Tax cuts even from previous Tax Cut plans, that resources went to giving more Takehome Pay to workingclass americans. It was passed in 2017 and it saw an economic boom unlike what we saw a generation in this country. Its a record im proud to run on and we will get back to the common Sense Wisdom so you can afford to live The American Dream again. I know a lot of youre struggling and are worried about paying the bills is going to stop when Donald Trump brings back a Common Sense to the country. Norah governor you want to respond to that what has harris done . Walz Day One was Donald Trumps failure on covid19 that led to the collapse of the economy. We were already in a Manufacturing Recession before covid19 but 9 Million jobs closed. Whether it was the Infrastructure Plan whatever. You make a question about what experts said. Economists cant be trusted apparently, science can be trusted, National Security Folks Cant be trusted. If youre going to be president you dont have the answers not all of them. Donald trump leaves he does. If you need hard surgery listen to the people at the Heart Surgery Clinic in minnesota not Donald Trump. I ask you out their teachers and nurses and Truck Drivers, how is it fair youre paying your taxes every year and Donald Trump hasnt paid any federal tax in the last 15 years until his last year as president. There is a system around it and were just asking for fairness in and thats all we want. Vance you say trust the experts but those experts for 40 years said if we ship their Manufacturing Base off to china we would get cheaper goods and they lied. They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries like mexico and elsewhere it would make the middleclass stronger and they were wrong about that. They were wrong about the idea that if we made america less selfreliant and less productive in our own nation it would somehow make us better off and they were wrong about it. The first time in a generation Donald Trump at the Wisdom And Courage to say to that bias partisan consensus we are doing it anymore. We are bringing american manufacturing back and unleashing American Energy and making more of our own stuff. Thats not just an economic issue. I have three Butyl Kids at home, fraud fraud, seven and two and i hope they are in bed right now. So much of the drugs and pharmaceuticals in their children are manufactured by nations that hate us. It needs to stop and it wont stop by listening to experts. We stop by listening the common Sense Wisdom which is Donald Trump governed on. Norah you said anyways we have to let the Governor Respond to this. Why should they trust you . Walz you heard that if you want Tax Cuts as a billionaire fine. Im a Union Guy i didnt want to ship things overseas but look we produce soybeans and corn we need fair Training Partners thats what we believe in. I think what most concerns me is Donald Trump was the guy who created the large Trade Deficit in american history with china. The rather it gives good. Much of what the senator said im in agreement with. I watched to happen and watched it in my communities and we talk about that. But we had people undercutting the right to collectively bargain, righttowork states made it more difficult, a company shifting it over and we saw people profit. Folks who are Venture Capital in some cases putting money into companies overseas. Were in agreement would bring those home, the issue is Donald Trump is talking about it while harris has a record, 250,000 more Manufacturing Job just out of the ira. Vance Mayor Respond to that . Norah sure. Vance thank you, first with the governor said is Donald Trump asked to listen to the experts and when he acknowledged the experts screwed up he said Donald Trump didnt do as good a job has harris did so what walz is doing and honestly tim i thank you have a tough job here because you have to play whack a Mole And Pretend Donald Trump didnt deliver rising Takehome Pay which he did. He after pretend Donald Trump didnt deliver lower inflation which of course he did and simultaneously you have to defend the atrocious record which is made gas and groceries and housing more unaffordable for American Citizens. I was raised by a woman who would go into medical debt so she can put food on the table in their household. I know what its like to not be able to afford the things they need to afford. To all of you watching we can get back to in america which is affordable again. We just need to get the Common Sense economic principles. Walz i hope we have some levies on Health Care then. Norah we have a lot to get to a Head Gentleman on many topics but right now i want to talk about personal qualifications. The Vice President is often the last voice the president hears before making consequential decisions. I want to ask you about your leadership qualities. Governor walz you said you are in Hong Kong during the deadly 1989 Tn Inman square protest. Minnesota public radio and other outlets said you didnt actually travel to asia until august of that year. Can you explain the discrepancy . Walz to the folks who there of their i a group in small rural Nebraska And Town of 400. Town you are your bike with your buddies and im proud of that. I joined the national guard at 17 worked on family farms and they used the g. I. Bill to become a teacher, passionate about it a young teacher. My first year old i got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to china. 35 years ago to do that. I came back home and started a program to take young people there. We would take basque about teams and baseball teams and dancers and we would go back and forth to china. Issue there was to try and learn. My community knows who i am, they saw where i was at. Ill be the first to tell you i poured my heart into my community and tried to do the best i can but ive not been perfect and im A Knucklehead At Times but a toy has been about that. Those same people elected me to congress for 12 years. Incongruence is one of the most bipartisan people on things like Farm Bills we got done and working on veterans benefits. Then the people of minnesota were able to elect me to govern twice. So my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure im there for the people and make sure i get this right. I will say more than anything many times i will talk a lot and get caught up in the rhetoric but being there the impact it made and the difference it made In My Life i learned a lot about china. I hear the critiques of it. I would make the case Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us. He wouldnt be praising Xi Jinping about covid19 or start a Trade War that he ends up losing. This is about trying to understand the world and trying to do the best for the community and putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is. My commitment through teaching which i was good at or being a good soldier or being a good member of congress. That is what i think our values people care about. Norah governor just a followup on that The Question was if you could explain the discrepancy . Walz no i said is i got there this Summer And Misspoke on this. Thats what i said. I was in Hong Kong and china during the protests and from that i learned a lot of what needed to be in governance. Norah Senator Vance in 2016 you culture Running Mate Donald Trump unfit for the nations highest office and said he could be americans hitler. I know youve been asked many times you regret the comments and explained that you done voted for Donald Trump in 2020. The Washington Post reported new messages last week which you also disparaged trumps economic resolute wall president. Writing that in 2020, Donald Trump for early failed to deliver his economic populism. You are now his Running Mate and shifted many of your Policy Stances aligned with his. If you become Vice President , why should americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear and not just the advice he wants to hear. You have 2 minutes. Vance Thanks Margaret sometimes or disagreed with the president but ive also been extremely open about how i was wrong about Donald Trump. I was wrong because i believed some of the Media Stories that turned out to be miss a dishonest fabrications of his record. The most important lead Donald Trump delivered for the american people. Rising wages, Takehome Pay, an economy that worked for most americans, a secure seven border, things i didnt think he could deliver on. When you screw up and misspeak and when you get something wrong and you chain your theres change her mind you need to be honest. Its one of the reasons ive done so many interviews. Its important to ask plain to the american people where i come down on the issue what changed. You pointed out messages from 2020 i was consistent that theres a lot of things we couldve done better in the Trump Administration the first round if congress did its job. I strongly believe as a united states senator, Congress Isnt a Highclass Debating Society its not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problem is. Its a forum to govern. Theres thanks on the border and on tariffs where we couldve done so much more of the Republican Congress and democrats in congress were a little bit better about how they govern the country. They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump they couldnt govern. And the talking about this in particular margaret to just accused us of being a national Sales Tax is something he talked about. One thing youre probably surprised to hear me praised donnell and Joe Biden but the one thing he did his continued some of the trump tariffs with which protected american Manufacturing Jobs. Its the most proworker part of the Biden Administration the one issue where harris has run away from Joe Bidens record. If you are trying to employ labourers at china at 3 a day you will do that and undercut wages of american workers unless our country stands up for itself and says arent accessing markets unless you are paying middleclass americans a fair wage. Norah to the issue of reproductive rights. Governor walz you signed a Bill Into Law that made minnesota one of their least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion. Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. Yes or no is that what you support i will give you 2 minutes. Vance lackmac. Walz thats not what the bill says but this issue is what is on peoples mind. Trump put this in Motion Bragging about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned roe v. Wade after 52 years of personal autonomy and tells us send it to the states its a beautiful thing. I would disagree with it there was a young bride in texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks she is a Complication A Tier in the membrane she needs to go in. The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor and that was an abortion. In texas that wouldve put them in legal jeopardy. She went home got sepsis and nearly died and nash might have difficulty ever having children. In kentucky there was a 12yearold Child who was and impregnated by her stepfather. And when asked about it j. D. Vance said two wrongs dont make a right, there is no right there. What we did in minnesota is restored roe v. Wade and made sure we put women in charge of their Health Care. If you dont know Amanda Or Someone like hadley, you will. Theyre project 2025 will have a registry of pregnancies it will make it more difficult if not impossible to get contraception and limit access if not eliminate access to infertility treatments. For so many out there listening and me included. Infertility treatments or i have a child. Thats nobody elses business but those are being proposed. The catchall on this as well the states will decide what is right for texas will be right for washington. Its basic human rights. Weve seen Material Mortality skyrocket in texas outpace other countries in the world. This is about Health Care and in minnesota be ranked in first for Health Care for a reason we trust women and doctors. Norah do you want to respond to the governors claim will you create a federal Pregnancy Monitoring Agency . Vance certainly we want to want to talk about the issue because of many americans care about it and dont agree with everything ive ever said on this topic. I grew up in a Workingclass Family in the neighbourhood where i knew many young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel they didnt have any other options. One of them is very dear to me. I know shes watching tonight and i love you. She told me that it she felt she hadnt had an abortion it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship. What i take from that as a republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country and protect the vulnerable is my party we need to do so much better of a job at earning the american Peoples Trust back on this issue where they dont trust us. Those are the things Donald Trump and i are never to do. I want to says a republican party to be profamily in the fullest sense of the word. I want to support infertility treatments. I wanted to make it easier for young moms to have children. I want them to be able to afford a place to have that family. Theres plenty we can do on public Policy Front to give women more options. Of course Donald Trump has been clear on the Abortion Policy specifically that we have a Big Country and it is diverse. California has a different view on this than georgia, of georgia has a different view from arizona. The proper way to handle it as messes messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make decisions and individual states make their Abortion Policy. That is what makes the most sense in a big diverse and honestlys sometimes messy and divided country. Spieth for governor would you like respond and answer The Question about restrictions . Walz The Question got asked and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasnt true about minnesota. Let me tell you about the idea of this. Theres younger woman named Amber Furman who is in a restricted state and because of that she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina just to get her care. Amber furman did died in that journey backandforth. The fact of the matter is how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights as basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography. Theres a real chance that Amber Thurmond if she had lived in minnesota, that she would be alive. That is why the restoration of roe v. Wade. When you listen to Vice President harris talk about or me talk about it, we talked the same. Donald trump is trying to figure how to get the political right of this. I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said but his Running Mate doesnt and thats the problem. Norah governor your time is up, senator he was referring to a national ban previously in the past use supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. In fact you said if Somebody Cant Support legislation like that you are making the united states at the most barbaric, proabortion regime anywhere else in the world. My question is why have you changed your physician . Vance norah first of all i never supported an abortion been when i was running in senate 2022 i talked about setting a minimum national standard. For example, we have a partial Abortion Ban at the federal level i dont think anybodys try to get rid of that or at least i hope not i know democrats of taken a radical proabortion stance. Norah one of the things that changed is in the state of ohio we had a referendum in 2023 and at the people of ohio voted overwhelmingly against my position. What i learn from that is we need to do a better job of winning back Peoples Trust. So many young women would love to have families and so many see an unplanned pregnancy is something to destroy their livelihood and destroy their education in relationships and we need to earn Peoples Trust back. Thats why trump and i are committed to pursuing profamily policies and making Child Care accessible and making fertility treatments more accessible as we need to do a better job of that and thats what real leadership is. Norah governor your response . Walz i want to respond to the Proabortion Piece of that, we are not, we are prowomen and profreedom to make your choice. We know the input occasions to not be that. Women having miscarriages, women not getting the care, physicians feeling they could be prosecuted for providing said care. As far as making sure we are educating our children and giving options. And a soda has one of the lowest Teen Pregnancy rates. We understand the options need to be available and we make that true. We are also a top three Strip State for the best place to raise children. Those two things to say we are prochildren but we dont like this or that are proabortion thats not the case at all. We are profreedom for women to make their choices and harris is making the case to make options rituals are more affordable for a 6000dollar Tax Credit but we wont base out the back to making somebody like Amber Thurmond drive 600 miles to get Health Care. Vance let me respond to that i agree to you, Amber Furman should be alive and a lot of people should be alive and i certainly wish he was. And you are free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me but as i read the Minnesota Law you signed into this that a doctor that presides over an abortion in the baby survives, the doctors under no obligation to provide lifesaving care to a baby that survives a botched lateterm abortion. Walz thats not true. Vance that is fundamentally barbaric and thats way i use the word because some of what weve seen do you want to force catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will because harris has supported suing catholic nuns violate freedom of conscience. We can be a big and diverse country to respect Peoples Freedom of consciousness and make more probaby and profamily. But please. Norah go ahead governor. Walz its a simple proposition these are womens decisions to make about their Health Care decisions and physicians who know best when they need to do this. Distorting the way a lot is written to make a point thats not it at all. Vance what was i wrong about please tell me governor. Walz its just not how it was written. Vance how . Walz ive given the advice that getting involved about this was misread and factchecked at the last debate. There is a continuation of these guys the try and tell women or get involved. I use this line and this just mind your own business on this. Things worked best when roe v. Wade was in place. When we do a restoration of roe v. Wade that works best it doesnt preclude us from increasing funding for children, it doesnt increases for making sure when that child is born, they get meals and early Childhood Education and Health Care. Hiding behind it doing all these other things when you arent proposing them in your budget, harris is proposing them. Shes proposing all those things to make life easier for families. Vance asked her specific question and you gave me a slogan. Walz its just not true factcheck of President Trump. Norah theres a lot to discuss and we will move on we will be back with more of the Cbs News Vice President ial debate in a moment. And retirement savings. Voya helps you choose the right amounts without over or under investing. Across all your benefits and savings options. So you can feel confident in your financial choices. They really know how to put two and two together. Voya, well planned, well invested, well protected. Vo he said. She said. He said. She said. He said. She said. Wait. 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A Senator Vance you oppose most Gun Legislation that democrats claim would curb at Gun Violence. You oppose a Red Flag at Gun Laws and legislation to ban certain semiautomatic rifles including ar15s. Earlier this year for the first time the parents of a School Shooter were convicted of involuntary Manslaughter And Tent new Years Sentence in prison. Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings i will give you. Vance on that particular case i dont know the details but i trust local Law Enforcement and authorities to make those answers. In some cases its yes, and sometimes its no. For example a Fist Kid steals a gun its different than if a Pit Parent hands over a gun knowing their dangerous. I just want to speak as a father of three beautiful little kids and our oldest and second grade. Like many parents we send our kids to school with such Hope And Joy and such pride on the first day of school and unfortunately a lot of kids are experiencing the terrible epidemic of Gun Violence. Our hearts go out to the families affected by this terrible stuff and we do need to do better. Governor walz and i probably agree we need to do better on this. The question is how do we actually do it. But heres what bothers me and worries me about the epidemic of violence. The gross Majority Close to around 90 at the Gun Violence ive seen in the country is committed with illegally obtained firearms. And on the topic we know thanks to the harris open Border Weve seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the mexican Drug Cartels. The number of illegal guns in the country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago. But what do we do about the schools and what do we do to protect their kids. I say this not loving the answer because i dont want my kids to go to School And One that feels unsafe or where there were visible signs of security. Unfortunately we have to increase security in our schools. We needed to make the doors lock better and the door stronger back the window stronger and we need to increase School Resource officers. The idea we can magically waive a wand and take guns out of the hand of bad guys doesnt fit with recent experience and we need to make schools safer and we need Common Sense bipartisan solutions to do that. Norah governor you have 2 minutes. Walz parents watching tonight this is your biggest nightmare. I have a 17yearold Witness to shooting in a Community Centre playing volleyball. Those things dont leave you. As a member of congress i sat in my office surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents looking at my seven year old picture on the wall and my dad and theyre asking us to do something. I am a hunter, i own firearms and so is the Vice President. We understand the Second Amendment is there but our first responsibility is to our kids to figure this out. In minnesota we enacted enhanced Red Flag laws and Background Checks and we can start to get data but heres the problem if we want to solve this weve got people little wont research to be done in Gun Violence and the idea and heres what i think its a good start to the conversation i 100 that Senator Vance hates it breaks your heart i agree with that and ive spent time in finland and at finisher schools. They dont have this happen. Even though they have a high Gun Ownership Rate in the country. There are reasonable things we can do to make a difference. Its not infringing on the Second Amendment and the idea to have these weapons so there doesnt make sense. Harris as an Attorney General worked on this issue she knows its there. Nobody is fearmongering to say we are taking your guns but i ask you out there do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort is that we have to do. We know there are countries Around The World where their children arent practising these types of drills. They are being kids and we owe it to them to get a fix. It can keep your firearms and make a difference. If you are listening tonight this breaks your heart. Vance first of all didnt know your 17 year old witnessed a Shooting Option say but that of mercy it is awful to hear. I preach it with him said about finland because it illustrates the weird differences between our own countries Gun Violence problems and finland. First of all we have way higher rates of mental Health Abuse or Substance Abuse and way higher rates of impression depression and anxiety. We have a mental Health Crisis in the country that we need to get to the root causes of. Its not the whole reason we have a bad Gun Violence problem but its a big piece of it. Another driver of the Gun Violence Epidemic especially those affecting kids it doesnt earn headlines but its a terrible Gun Violence problem in a lot of our big cities and thats why we need to empower Law Enforcement to arrest the bad guys and put them away and take It Gun Offenders off the streets. Its a whole host of things we can do here but at our schools we need to talk about more security. Norah governor you previously opposed to assault Weapons Ban but only later in your political career you change your opinion why . Walz because i sat in the office was Sandy Hook parents i was an Nra Guy for a long time they taught gun safety. I met an age where my shotgun was in my car so i could hunt after football practice. Thats not where we are today. Id also mentioned on this, talking about cities and where its at. The number 1 Place Or Firearm depth happened in minnesota are rural suicides. We have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves. We have and should look at the issues. Making sure folks have Health Care in that but i also want to be careful the idea of stigmatizing Mental Health just because you have a mental Health Issue doesnt mean you are violent either. What we do is look for a scapegoat. Sometimes its just the guns. Its just the guns. There were things you can do about it. I also think this is a healthy conversation. I think theres a capacity to find solutions on this that will protect the Second Amendment to protect their children that is our priority. Margaret not to the top at your beater of Inflation And Housing in rent. Theres a shortage of 4 Million homes which in contribute to the high Housing Prices. Governor walz the Harris Campaign promises at when he thousand dollars down Payment Assistance for firsttime Home Buyers and a 10,000 Tax Credit. The also promised to build 3 Million new homes where you building these homes and wont handing out that money drive up prices higher . Walz its not a handout. First this issue of housing and those of you listening on this. The problem we have is a lot of folks see housing as a commodity. They can be bought up and they can be shifted and turned around. Those of you listening tonight its a big deal. Ive bought and owned one house In My Life. My mom still owns the same house where i was before. We need to make things more affordable and one of the things as i said, this program the Vice President is pushing forward in bringing a new wave of a new way of approaching this is what were doing in minnesota from that lead. We invested in making sure housing was the biggest investment we ever made in housing. It makes things easier we cut the Red Tape and we cant do it at the federal level but local folks make it easier to build those homes. Then down Payment Assistance i can tell all of you out there about that. For me, using the g. I. Bill was one thing, but a veterans Home Loan . The big thing about a veterans Home Loan is you dont have to pay the down payment. Those are things to make it easier. You do pay it back and you will pay your mortgage those are things in the Long Run the appreciated value and generational wealth created from. I would give minneapolis an example where minneapolis is the one city where weve seen lowest inflation rates, a 12 increase in stock and we are implementing a State Program the work of down Payment Assistance. Heres what we know as people a stable housing and stable jobs. People a stable housing have their way to get to school. All those things in the Long Run ends up saving money. Those are things that help us find Common Ground in but we cannot blame immigrants for the reason thats not the case that its happening in many cities. The fact of the matter is we dont have enough naturally affordable housing. But we can make sure the government is able to kickstart it and keep that base. Norah Senator Vance as far as your campaigns position the promises to seize federal land to build homes and provide Tax Breaks and cut back on immigration. You said that pushes up prices. Where you going to build all the new homes you are promising and what part of any of this plan for immediate relief. 2 minutes. Vance first of all jim said something i agree with we dont want to blame immigrants for high Housing Prices but we want to blame here is the leading and millions legal immigrant which drives up costs, tim. 25 Million illegal immigrants competing for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of Home Prices in the country. Thats why we have massive increases in Home Prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien populations under the Harris Leadership. Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas some of those are halfway decent and some of them i disagree with. The most important thing is harris isnt running as a newcomer to politics. She is the sitting Vice President. She wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable and they invite them to use the office the american people already gave her not sit around and campaign while americans find that The American Dream of Home Ownership completely unaffordable. You ask what would immediately change the equation for American Citizens if you lower energy prices. If he says Drill Baby Drill one of the biggest drivers of Housing Races beside from illegal immigration, in the Truck Drivers paying 70 more for diesel they are there slumber is also going to become a lot more expensive. If we open with American Energy you get immediate Pricing Relief for citizens not just in housing and in other areas as well. Norah Senator Vance if you want to answer anything. Walz ill take it. Norah where will you seize the federal land can you clarify senator . Vance we have a lot of federal and not being used for anything not for national parks and its for places you want to build housing and in this country we have a lot of land that could be used for other people needing homes and should be kicking out illegal immigrants for the psalms and we should be building more for citizens who deserve to be here. Norah governor want to let you respond to the allegations that the Vice President is letting in. Walz if youve agreed not to the factchecked it will factcheck it. Crossings are down since trump left off. I was going to ask him this question our reaction he going to drill and Build Houses on the same federal land. When people hear federal land and theres important pieces of land there. Minnesota doesnt have much federal land a western part of the country has more. Theres not much federal land around minneapolis for example. The issue is i dont understand the federal Land Issue unless we see this and i worry about this if someone cares about her national parks and federal lands. In minnesota we protect those things. We have 20 of the worlds for Fresh Water in america. They long to All Of Us and this is when you view housing and these things as commodities theres a chance to make money lets take this federal land and sell it to people for that. Theres better ways to do this as were able to make these investments and that gets people in. Im still on the fact on this. Senator vance you dont like the economists. What economists are saying its immigrants adding to the cost. Sorry. Norah governor your time is up at senator on the point like you to clarify what evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem . Vance theres a federal Reserve Study that we are happy to put up after the debate the drills on the connection between increased levels of migration especially illegal immigration and higher Housing Prices. Is not the entire driver of high Housing Prices but its also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris. We are country of doers but we are increasingly having a federal administration that makes it harder to develop resources and make it harder to build things. And not doing every thing exactly as harris says they have to do and what that means a lot of people build homes actually agree with Tim Walz. We need to get out of this idea of housing as a commodity. The thing that is most turn housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions who have no legal right to be here. Walz what are the federal regulations i dont with that as a governor. Vance lackmac. Norah you can very quickly reply. Walz a get that as a governor and i dont necessarily disagree if that as many of those are local many of them or stay i dont know which ones are federal but when we talk regulations people think they can get rid of them. I thank you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire. You want to make sure its fireproof so what are the regulations. The Vice President isnt responsible for those, congress writes those. Norah governor thank you, gentlemen we have a lot to get to. I get your passionate about the housing crisis. Norah . One of the top problem is facing americans as the high cost of Health Care. Senator vance at the last president ial debate former President Trump was asked about replacing the affordable care act. In response he said i have concepts of a plan. Since then Senator Youve talked about changing how chronically ill americans get Health Insurance. Could you explain how that would work and can you guarantee that americans with Preexisting Conditions will not pay more i will give you 2 minutes. Vance well cover americas of preexisting commission conditions as Numbers of my family and she got private Health Insurance for the first time switching off of medicaid on the private insurance for the first time under Donald Trumps leadership. A lot of people criticized the concepts of a Plan Remark its very simple Common Sense as Tim Walz knows from 12 years in congress you dont propose a 900 Page Bill standing on a Debate Stage you would bore everybody to tears and it wouldnt mean anything because part of it is giveandtake of bipartisan negotiation. When Donald Trump was actually president and has a record to be proud of. Prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a long time. Under Harris Leadership Prescription Drugs are up 7 under trumps entire four years that they were up 1. 5 introduced Pricing Transparency Anything about Health Care you go to a hospital you try to buy Something Nobody knows would actually cost Price Transparency will give american consumers more choice and drive down cost. We talked about Reinsurance Regulations earlier. What trump has said is that will if we allow states tricks permit a little bit on how to cover the chronically ill and nonchronically ill its not just a plan he actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the united states. There is good argument it Salvaged Obamacare Which was doing disastrously until trump came along. Its an important point of trump you dont have to agree with everything that he has ever said or ever done. But when obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and Health Care cost Donald Trump could have destroyed the program and instead he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure americans had access to affordable care. It is not perfect and there is more we can do but i think Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place better Health Care policies because he did it successfully the first time. Walz heres where being an old guy gives you history. I was there at the creation of the aca. Reason it was so important as i come from a major Health Care State Home of the Mayo Clinic Home to medical alley. All of these. We understand Health Care its why were ranked first on Affordability And Accessibility on quality of Health Care. What i know is Under Harris more people are covered them before in those he listening this is critical for some people. Trump for some reason wants to go back and remember this he ran firstly he would do on Day One was to reveal obamacare on day when he tried to sign an Executive Order to repeal the aca. He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the Aca Velocity the supreme court and he wouldve repealed the aca headed not been for the courage of John Mccain to say that bill. Fast ford what that means for you you would lose your existed Preexisting Conditions if you have asthma to bed if youre a woman probably not broke your foot in Cookbook Kickball get kicked out. Harris negotiated those price for the first time and we have ten drugs all come online the most common ones that will be there but look when Donald Trump said i have a concept of a plan it cracked me up as a fourth Grade Teacher because my kids would never have given me the answer. With Senator Vance explained might be worse than a concept. But he explained his preobamacare and i will make it as simple as possible as ive done this for a long time what theyre saying is if you are healthy why should you be paying more so what they will do is let Insurance Companies they could they ensure because guess what happens you pay your premium its not much but those of you older great Got Cancer you will get kicked out of it thats why the system didnt work. Kamala harris will protect and enhance the aca. Norah governor thank you. Senator you have an excellent you would protect people of Preexisting Conditions are laid out that plan. Vance we currently have laws and regulations in a place right now to protect people with Preexisting Conditions we want to keep those in place and we want to keep the Health Insurance marketplace helping better. What it was said is not true. And the reason there crushing over there on weight. A lot of healthy people are leaving these exchanges. Donald Trump Help to address the problem and it did so in a way which preserved Peoples Access to coverage would Preexisting Conditions. Again something these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump becomes president all these terrible consequences will ensue. The reality is Donald Trump was President And Inflation was low Takehome Pay was higher and saved the very program from a democratic administration collapsing and would have collapsed from his leadership. He did his job which is governed in a bipartisan way and get results not just complain about problems but actually solve them. Norah didnt enrolment go up under the Trump Administration. Walz yes, because people are using and the system works. Sienna Vigil Mandate Piece of. Republicans fought toothandnail saying mirkin should be free to do this. Vance do you think into vigil mandates a good idea. Walz i think the Risk Bull being brought enough to cover thats the only Way Insurance works when it doesnt it collapses youre asking for preaca where we get People Outlook people know they need to be on Health Care people expected to be there and when we are able to make him we are making it this way when we incentivize people to be in the market and help people who may not be able to afford it get there and when you get sick and old its there for you i had people say i dont want to buy into medicare good luck buying Health Care once you get past 70 the aca works we can continue to do better harris said that the way she made everything better was negotiating those ten drugs or medicare for the first time in american history i pages as we have a number of topics to discuss a start about families in america. There is a Child Care crisis in the country and to the unites is still in the few developed countries in the world about a national paid Leave Program for new parents. Democrats win both the white House And Congress its a Day One priority for you. How long do you do it while theyre taken care of the newborns you have 2 minutes. Heres what the deal is. American sitting out there right now you may work for a Big Country we are home in minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 company. Harris knows that in california. This provide paid family medical leave. One is its moral and its a good thing but it also keeps employees healthy. In minnesota we passed a medical leave. That is paid. Ed to go back to work five days after my kids were born. This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time what we know is that gets the child off to a better start in the family works better and they stay with employers and we get more consistency. Harris made it at a priority. We implement it in minnesota and we saw growth. Thats how you become a Probusiness State but the negotiations on it and those big companies can offer it those of you who dont have it just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child get sick we know what happens. You end up staying home in some places that means no paycheck because you have no protection on that. This is the case of an economy Donald Trump has said is for the wealthiest amongst us hes willing to give those Tax Break to the wealthiest. Is willing to say bust the unions up to whatever. What were saying is the economy works best when it works for All Of Us so paid family medical Leave Program and i will tell you. Go to the families and businesses and ask them. As far as Child Care, you need to be able to supply and demand side. You can expect them to either take our children or our parents to get paid the least amount of Money And Pick between them. We need to make it easier for folks to get into the business and make sure folks can pay for that. We did it in minnesota and im telling you this. We were listed as the best date and we are still in crisis on this. Federal perk a federal program of paid family medical leave when hansen for families to make it to have children you want. Norah senator do you support a national paid Leave Program and if so for how long should employers be mandated to pay them all they are taking care of that. Vance a number of my colleagues who are bipartisan of worked on this and a lot of us care about this issue. I speak from this personally as i have a beautiful woman to marry to his mother to her three kids and is a brilliant court rate litigator. Being a Working Mom even for somebody with all of it being extra nearly difficult its difficult from a policy perspective. And they worked for a bigger company but the cultural pressure on young women i think it makes it hard and a lot of young women like to go back to work immediately and some are spending more time with the kids. Theyve a Family Care Model that makes the choice possible. Its an important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris and their approach. And the Community Development granted theres another Block Grant Program which spends money for the federal government. These programs only of one kind of Child Care model. And set up with Child Care. For rural or urban area you like to get together with families in their neighbourhood in a way that makes the most sense. You dont get access to any of these federal money. We want to promote choice in how they promote Child Care because its unacceptable. Tim and i have been on the Campaign Trail theres trail a lot the last seven weeks and what i hear from young families is deeply dont feel they have options. They are choosing between going to work or taking care of their kids its an incredible burden for this. We can do a heck of a lot be better. Norah youve also said many things Senator Vance about the american family. The federal reserve will say parents will spend it nearly as much on Child Care as they do on housing each month so i want to get your thoughts on this. President trump recently said as much as Child Care is talked about as being expensive its relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kinds of Numbers we will be taking in. s President Trump committed to the 5000dollar per Child Tax Credit that you have described one minute. Vance i will defend my Running Mate here will be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for Shipping Jobs overseas and penalizing those who in place labourers and ship them back into the country to under that the wages of american legislatures. Cut taxes for workers and families and for businesses hiring in the unites states 4 about countries Shipping Jobs overseas to. Thats a heart of the economic proposal and when we bring this initial revenue with economic 03 can provide paid Family Leave Child Care options that are a viable workable for a lot of american families. Norah could you clarify how that would solve the Child Care shortage at all . Vance as tim said a lot of the Child Care shortage is we dont have enough resources to go into the multiple people who are providing Family Care options. We will have to spend more money. Well need to induce more people to provide Health Care options for families because the reason its so expensive is he have too many people making this essential service. Norah also for Child Care Tax Cut of proposals. Do you think they will agree to the 6000dollar credit for Newborns Credit for those over the age of six. Walz of these members of congress are listening and i can tell you this is the biggest issue. Everybody listening tonight and i think they were shocked to hear is not a spent seven lets be clear whether its 5000 or 6000 is about three or four months of where it buys you. We are here because we got out of the and in balance on this. We thought we would get byebye not paying people. I dont think Senator Vance and i are that far apart we talked but Options Redone Scholarship type of things any we need openness. The question you ask is unit going to pay for it with these tariffs. Thats just adding 4000 on the family and taking less. Not only do they not get the money for that they are 4000 and the gold thats his alma mater. I think if those members of Congress I Cant believe when they get talk about that they will talk about taxes but they will beat lead with Child Care and housing. We know the problem especially in a state like minnesota we need workers. Norah blank max before we need to move on. Norah the top issue for americans after the Economy And Inflation is democracy. After the too election trumps campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results. Judges including those appointed by President Trump and other republican president s looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud. The governors of every state in the nation, republicans and democrats certified the 2020 president ial election results and said theres scent illegal for state of electors to congress for January 6. Senator vance you said you would not have certified the last president ial election and asked the states to submit alternative electors. Thats been called unconstitutional and illegal. Would you again seek to challenge at this Years Election results even if every governor certifies the results . I will give you 2 minutes. Vance first of all we are focused on the future we need to solve the Inflation Crisis by harris policies making groceries affordable and thats what we are focused on. But answering your question because you did ask it. What President Trump said his there were problem is in 2020 and my belief is we should debate those issues peacefully in the public square and that is all ive said and all that Donald Trump has said. Remember he said on january sixth protesters ought to protest peacefully in a genuine 20 of what happened Joe Biden became president Donald Trump left the White House and now unfortunately weve all the negative policies that came from the harris Biden Administration. I think we have affront to democracy in the country but unfortunately its not the front to democracy Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about its the threat of censorship its americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics and big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens and its Kamala Harris saying rather than debate and persuade her fellow americans she would like to censor people who dissing engage in disinformation. Thats a much bigger threat to Democracy And Anything we seen in the country the last four years or 40 years. Im proud especially given being raised by two bluecollar democrats to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr. And Tulsa Gabbard lifelong leaders in the democratic coalition who dont agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue we dont have to agree on every issue but we are united behind a basic american principle that we ought to debate our differences. We have to persuade her fellow americans. Kamala harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did in covid19 and did it under a number of issues and its a bigger threat to democracy and what trump said that protesters should peacefully protest on genuis six. Walz ive enjoyed Tonights Debate and there was Commonality Year and im sympathetic to some of what he talked about with the senator but this is troubling to me and they say that because we need to tell the story. Donald Trump Refuse to acknowledge this. We cant be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up. He was clear he lost this election and he said he did. 140 police officers were beaten at the capitol that day some with the american flag and several later died. It wasnt just that. In minnesota a group gathered on the State Capital Ground in st. Paul and said we are marching to the Governors Residence and there might be casualties. The only person there was my son and his dog was rushed out crying by state police. That issue and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting hanging Mike Pence. Mike pence made the right decision. Senator it was adjudicated over and over. I worked with kids long enough to know and they said as a Football Coach sometimes you really want to win but democracy is bigger than winning an election. You shake hands and you do what you can to help the other side in the end. Thats what is at stake. What concerns me is the idea imprisoning your political opponents. All we dont already lane grammar to people not accepting this. Presidential words matter. Presidential words matter. People here that. So i think this issue of Settling Or Difference at the Ballot Box and shaking hands when we lose means being honest about it but did deny what happened the first time in american history that a President Or Anybody tried to overturn a fair election in a peaceful transfer of power. Here we are four years later in the same boat i will tell you this when this is boat when this is over we need to shake hands and the winner needs to be the winner this has to stop at Steering Or Country apart. Margaret Senator Vance did you want to respond to that . Vance first of all its really rich for democratic leaders to say Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave overpower on January 20th as we have done for 20 years in the country well shake hands after this debate and after the selection of course i hope we will win but if Tim Walz is next phase present youll have my prayers and best wishes and help whenever he wants it. But we have to remember for years democrats protested the results of elections. Hillary clinton in 2016 said Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the russians bought like 500,000 worth of facebook adds. This has been going on for a long time if we want to say we need to respect the results of the election im on board but if you want to say its just a problem that republicans had i dont buy that. Walz January 6 Wasnt Facebook adds for one thing and a Revisionist History there. Look i dont understand how we got to this point but the issue was that happened. All of us say theres no place for this it has massive repercussions. The idea there censorship to stop people people from threatening to kill Somebody Or Something thats not censorship. Censorship is book banning which we have seen brought up. I think for Everybody Tonight and i will thank Senator Vance. I think this is the conversation they wanted to hear and i think theres a lot of agreement this is one we are miles apart on. This was a threat to dimock seen ways we havent seen it manifested its all because of trumps inability to say that. He still saying he didnt lose the election. Did he lose the too election. Vance and focus on the future did Kamala Harris sensor americans are speaking their mind in the wake of that when he 20 Covid19 Situation . Walz that is a damning nonanswer. Vance its a damning unanswered view not to talk about censorship. Obviously trump and i think there were problems in 2020 and we talked about it. But you guys attacked us for not believing in democracy the most sacred right under there for the first amendment. You said theres no first Minute Right to misinformation. With big tech to silence people from speaking their minds. That is a threat to democracy that will a long outlive this present political moment i would like Democrat Sam republicans to reject censorship. Lets argue about ideas and come together afterwards. Walz this is the supreme Court Test Fire in a crowded theatre. Vance you guys wanted to kick people off of facebook for saying Toleration Wear masks. By a Credit Feeder is criticized in the policies of the government which is the rate of every american. Norah the senator the governor has arisen a bill you know. Vance like Max Bouknight is he a candidate who lost the election. This isnt a debate thats not anything other than in Donald Trumps world because look. When Mike Pence made that decision to certify the election thats when Mike Pence isnt on the stage. Why im concerned about it is wheres the firewall with Donald Trump. Where is the firewall if he knows he can do anything including taking an election and as Vice President wont stand to it what we are asking you. Will you stand up. Will you keep year old for the office even if the president doesnt. They think harris would agree she would not have picked me if she didnt think i could do that because of course thats what we would do. So america i thank you have a clear choice on the selection of who is going to honour that democracy and who will honour Donald Trump. Margaret governor your time is up. Thank you gentlemen we will be right back with both of our candidates. The Cbs Vice President ial debate continues. When we started feeding bogie the farmers dog, he lost so much weight. Preportioned packs makes it really easy to keep him lean and healthy. In the morning, he flies up the stairs and hops up on my bed. In the past, he would not have been able to do any of those things. 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Im surprised just as any of the coalition harasses belt from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to taylor swift. Many folks in between all of that. They dont all agree on everything but they are truly optimistic people. They believe in a positive future of this country and one where our politics can be better than it is. I have to tell you that better than it is, thats a sense of optimism that there can be an Opportunity Economy that works for everybody. Not just to get by but to get ahead. The idea that freedom means something. Not the freedom of government to be in your Bedroom Or Exam Room But Freedom to make choices about yourself. We all know who Donald Trump is, he has told us and as Maja Angelis said belief and when he says that. His first Press Top Conference spoke about american carnage and then continued with that. Senator vance made a clear that he will stand with Donald Trumps agenda. He will continue to push down that road. Kamala harris gives us a different option. I will have to be careful about the quotes but one that vance said resonates with me. He said Donald Trump makes the people i care about afraid. A lot of america feels that way. We do not need to be afraid. Franklin roosevelt was right all we have to fear is fear itself. Kamala harris is bringing us a new way forward. A politics of joy with real solutions for the middle class and censoring you at the heart of that. All the while asking everybody, join this movement, make your voices heard, lets look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and gives everybody a chance to thrive. I humbly ask for your vote November Fifth for Kamala Harris. Norah Senator Vance your Closing Statement . Vance i want to thank governor were walz and cbs and for the folks tuning in this evening. One thing we didnt talk about was energy and i remember being raised by my grandmother when she didnt have money to turn on the heat some nights because ohio gets cold at Night And Money was often very tight. And its prosperous enough country and having a cold Winter Night its got more difficult thanks to harris energy policies. I believe whether you are rich or poor have to look forward to a nice meal for your family. I believe whether rich or pour you have to be able to afford your house and live in safe neighbourhoods. Not having your committees flooded with sentinel and ive been in politics long enough to do what harris does when standing before the american people and saying Day One she will work on all these challenges i listed. Shes been Vice President for three and a half years they won was 1400 days ago and or policies made these problem is worse. And i meet people on the Campaign Trail who cant afford food and they have the Grace And Generosity had asked me how im doing. And we have the greatest country the most bid for country, most incredible people anywhere in the world. They wont be able to achieve their dreams with the broken leadership in washington. They wont be able to live there american dream if we do the same Thing Weve done for the last three and a half years. We need change and we need a new direction and a president who is a ready this once before and did it well. Vote for Donald Trump and whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz i just want to say im proud to be doing this, god bless you, good night. Norah thank you Senator Vance and thank you both for bertens abating and the only Vice President of the bay of this election cycle. A reminder there is just 35 days until election day. Please get out and vote and from All Of Us here at Cbs News thank you and good night. Martha we saw back and forth led to theres microphones are open what we didnt hear about we didnt hear anything about the Port Strike that they talked about at the top, nothing about ukraine and burning issues at the united nations and threats we face in the world. Overall j. D. Vance was strong out of the gate. He gave a forceful defence of the Trump Administration on the Economy And Border and iran and tried many times to reach women voters on a number of different subjects which we can talk about. A strong moment on the 329,000 missing children in this country. Walz was good enough it probably wont hurt the ticket im interested to see what people think around the table so lets get around the table and see what folks thought. Bret he pointed time and time again vance that harris has been in office three and a half years when it came a Twoweek Policy on iran the first question is dealing with the iranian Missile Strike in israel and he did found his stride on the Abortion Stretch of questions and he had a tough moment as he was asked about the gentleman square Protest Inch China while he was asked he and the basque any cities a knucklehead about things. No questions about china or ukraine. There are some questions about factchecking and whether it was fair and balanced across the way. Here with us tonight dana perino, harold ford junior, jesse watters, laura angry him among others here. The moderators were obnoxious it felt three on one on vance. Vance was just fine. He seems to his skills as a Debater And Speaker to some extent just by the several months on the Campaign Trail and for one so young he seemed in terms of his knowledge of policy to run rings around poor Governor Walz who i dont think that a great night. He got better as the night went on but if you are reading the debate on points it wasnt close. Vance had a good night. For those who question trumps choice of vance as Vice President ial Running Mate those doubts should been put to rest tonight. I dont think i have ever seen a republican so deftly manoeuvre what was smug and arrogant bias and its designed to make a public and look bad with views on Child Care. Vance seemed to take it all in stride and with most questions really showed us humanity and has knowledge of the issues. I dont think he couldve done better under circumstances that think thats reassuring to the public you thought he was a Ogre Antiwoman or didnt like kids or some strange concoction of the stereotype they were telling. What i was looking for at the beginning and i think Senator Vance and were they smart and knowledgeable that the beginning it seemed that Governor Walz was rattled and the senator come out stronger and assure himself which helped them well. Where they relatable. As they shook hands in and about things they agreed on and they think abortion is were they got there stride. Finally could you see both of them as president. Senator vance did himself a good job these young guy. Vance is a little older and both of them seem to have some confidence in them but theres no question on the economy and immigration revoke and still of their advantage generate six with abortion in Health Care republicans and democrats have it on that. The Trump And Vance side is try to reach out to improve those Numbers with women. On the other side for Harris And Walz they need to improve Numbers with men. Both of them tried to do that with it at times tonight. Vance did, walz did not. You understand why they try to lower expectations for walz. Democrats underperformed because the expectation should have been lower than that. For any republican or independent concerned about vance i think on the other side so many Democrats Tonight are saying why did Kamala Harris not pick a governor Josh Schapiro of pennsylvania. I think at that a different debate. Vance made a concerted effort to talk directly to swing voters and i dont think it was just women but certainly men who wouldve been on the fence. I dont know what walz did on that point for men and theres can say why didnt trump when in 2020 and they will hang that on him. I think he will not be another debate but i wouldnt be surprised if Kamala Harris doesnt want that to be the last word on the national stage. Thirtyfive days left that couldve been the last debate we will see. Jesse your thoughts . Walz made two mistakes and vance made none. Walz said he was friends with School Shooters and then couldnt explain why he was in China Or Wasnt in china that was very strange. Bret lets play the Sound Bite lets play the moment where he gets factchecked. Its walz questioning the discrepancy. Governor to follow up on that question was can you explain the discrepancy . All i said as i got there that Summer And Misspoke on this. That is what upset. So i was in Hong Kong and china during the democracy protests and from that i learned a lot of what needed to be in governance. Oops. He said he was in china during then and then he said he wasnt thats pretty bad. J. D. Vance everybody thought this guy was a bad guy and they were saying he was a creep. He looked beautiful, humboldt, ernest, sharp, 20 years younger than walz a new generation that thought he was i thought he was very polished. Walz didnt do what he was supposed to. He didnt help with Men Tonight and he really never explained what harris policies are id still dont know what she wants to do. He talked about minnesota more than he talked about her. The best times for j. D. Is that costs are not now. Orders are open now. Why doesnt she fix that she can do it right now and she hasnt. The best line is when they said trump doesnt just have a plan he has a record. You can look at that record. He said they would restore The American Dream. Cbs was arable, second question on Climate Change, you guys should have done the debate that wouldnt have been the second classist in. Listening to you talking jesse i think we saw j. D. Vance as the writer of hillbilly elegy tonight. He spoke about fentanyl and as mothers and ability to pay her medical bills and leaving those on the Back Burner in order to put food on the table. He brought that person back. You spoke about it before as of that so many people identified with him. And the top of the typic Theres Ticket is Trump And Harris and for those tuning out trumpet is a long time for somebody to listen for eight Years Someone of it, some cant take it anymore. But if you have a different voice, this guy of. I think people probably wouldve paid a lot more attention to him. Because as laura pointed out he death angered a lot of the arguments and answered them with substantive policy that you could understand. Didnt go personal either. It wasnt a personal thing. I think j. D. Vance was made it more human by Tim Walz. Tim walz effectively conceded that j. D. Vance is a serious person and we agree on some issues. It next to him didnt go deep and so there is a discussion that moderators talked about. They manoeuvred pretty well. Get a lot of republican friends who are pleased with what they said. You think about the race how close it is and listen. Will this move the needle probably not. It could have maybe but it probably wont that much in the big picture of the race. Both men come out of there is one stronger than the other. Are we at the conclusion that j. D. Vance performed better . I disagree the outset more pressure on Tim Walz i think more pressure was on vance to say to women in the states and not a lot of punches thrown at him tonight and i thought he presented well. I dont agree with him on a lot of things but he was more likable than i thought. And thats what he needed to accomplish. To sort of put these issues aside, thats what he needed to do and The Question is because its so tight, it does at the debate have the potential to move the needle even a little bit. Because thats going to be the deciding factor. You saw calmly respect this guy because she figures he would help with midwest and Rust Belt in minnesota i dont think it moves the needle at all there. I think j. D. Vance moves the needle a little bit. What restroom are you . Another woman so i dont know how women will receive this i saw j. D. Vance a completely different light i was impressed by his presentation. Walz didnt have a terrible night. He didnt screw up that badly. Had a few moments but im sure democrats are kind of pleased with it. No blood drawn but in a tight race like that i think j. D. I thank they want j. D. Over the missouri. The last question was asked about the effect the results democrats wanted that question asked for a think in his right to not be able to answer that question about gibboney against j. D. Tonight, and i think you showed the clip. Was just Governor Walz who said at the beginning i wasnt there, big mistake,. There was a couple of woman that people said wait a second, the Factcheck Captain mike cut on j. D. Vance. They talked about the Hurricane Relief Cactus strike on israel that was asked. There wasnt anything about the Port Strike vehicles and anything. Could impact peoples lives over the next few months in the way to compare them slowly nothing but it tonight,. s thats going to be always the part of this debate as well. In the big question is, what comes next . All we know is there is 35 days to election night, and we have a lot of coverage right here on fox. Call the way through. Thank you for joining us tonight for tonights Vice President told debate,. Always good to be with all of you for the big debate night. Hannity is coming up next. Stick around by going to the Spin Room Break now. [ ] [ ]
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