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Its 8 00 and this is the. Saturday five. Well come to the saturday five. This is the show that makes you forget all about the cost of living crisis. The only thing living crisis. The only thing suffering from inflation around here is our egos. But i guarantee that your Interest Rate will rise as we set the world to rights over the next houn world to rights over the next hour, one week back on the show was enough for emily. Shes disappeared again to enjoy the summer social season , but worry summer social season, but worry not. Were still joined by your favourite albion benjamin , as favourite albion benjamin, as well as our two brilliant guests, political commentator Alex Armstrong and broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. Welcome to you both. The premise of the show is simple. Each host gets 60s to outline their argument about a chosen topic. Then we all pile in and it gets uguer then we all pile in and it gets uglier than a bank of england growth forecast. And of course , growth forecast. And of course, we want to know your views as well. Much more important than ours. Get in touch by email and gb views at gbnews. Com. But before we start tearing each other apart , its a saturday other apart, its a saturday night news with rory smith. Night news with rory smith. Thank you very much, darren. The met office is warning of possible danger to life as storm anthony batters parts of the uk. Anthony batters parts of the uk. A yellow thunderstorm warning is in place until 10 00 tonight for the south east of england and east anglia. Well meanwhile, a number of people have been evacuated from their homes in nonh evacuated from their homes in North Yorkshire due to flooding. Weather journalist nathan rao weatherjournalist nathan rao explains the conditions as wind speeds of this storm, storm anthony are expected to be around 75 mile per hour gusts on the coast and 55 mile per hour inland. Its not the strongest storm that weve seen, but because of the time of year, the leaves , the time of year, the leaves, the time of year, the leaves, the trees are all in full leaf andifs the trees are all in full leaf and its holiday season. The schools are off and where its going to be hitting the impact of this storm hitting today is likely to greater than had likely to be greater than had the of thing happened the same sort of thing happened later. Later in the year. Two French Police officers have been injured in clashes with migrants near calais around 60 people threw rocks and other missiles as officers tried to stop people smugglers launching a small boat. Gb news can reveal that 15,100 migrants have crossed the English Channel in small boats. Thats since the start of the year and down more than 2500 on the same period last year. Than 2500 on the same period last year. Pakistans former Prime Minister imran khans party is calling for peaceful protests after a Court Sentenced him to three years in prison for legally selling state gifts. This evening, several of his supporters were arrested by police during a protest. Mr khan was convicted of misusing his 2018 to 2022 premiership to buy and sell items in state possession. He has always denied any wrongdoing. Prosecutors in any wrongdoing. Prosecutors in the us have asked a judge to limit what donald trump can say publicly about a criminal case against him. They warned that mr trump may be seeking to use evidence to target witnesses after he posted a message to social media that said, if you go after me, im coming after you. The former us president you. The former us president says hes being targeted for political reasons. Thousands of political reasons. Thousands of trees are to be planted to mark the kings coronation earlier this year. The £2. 5 Million Initiative funded by the government that celebrates King Charless passion for nature. The government says it will help to meet its targets to treble Tree Planting rates by the next election. But Campaign Group friends of the earth says its only a fraction of what ministers need to do to meet those targets. Its this is gb those targets. Its this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now though, back to the. Saturday five. To the. Saturday five. Its saturday night and youre with the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes and i can promise that you are in for a very lively hour. Lets crack on with tonights first debate and ill be kicking us off tonight. And thats means its time, folks, for crime. Time now , this folks, for crime. Time now, this week i clocked a labour councillor on Newcastle City Council irum ali offering her services on tiktok , an app in services on tiktok, an app in gaining an increasingly dubious reputation for being utilised by people traffickers and illegal migrants, aiming for blighty in a video , councillor ali openly a video, councillor ali openly solicits those residing in the uk illegally offering to help them submit applications to the home office based on human rights grounds. Now such actions rights grounds. Now such actions have made it strikingly clear whom the labour party genuinely supports as the cabinet member for a dynamic city, one has to wonder what alis understanding of dynamic truly is. I wonder of dynamic truly is. I wonder how dynamic our city will become if its turned into a hotbed for illegal migrants. If its turned into a hotbed for illegal migrants. Ace councillor illegal migrants. Ace councillor ali mentions an extremely hostile environment for overstayers. Ill tell you this overstayers. Ill tell you this for free. I wish it was our human rights industry solidified in law by tony blair, who started our penchant for mass migration in places the rights of foreign individuals above the needs of british people. What about our right folks . Ask yourselves this our right to a secure border as an island nafion secure border as an island nation with a clear understanding of who is in our country , particularly when were country, particularly when were talking about fighting age men who have disposed of their identifying documents is responding to criticism of the video. A Labour Party Spokesperson told mail online the tories broke the asylum system and the hotel bills are stinging the taxpayer for £6 million every day. Ill tell you the idea that things would improve under labour who wish to create new legal paths for migrants to arrive here is frankly laughable. Put simply, frankly laughable. Put simply, its a case of same old labour, same old labour. Liz what do you make of all of this . Are you outraged by it . Im absolutely disgusted and im telling you and it shows labour for what they are and whose side theyre on. I think this is absolutely i feel sick to the stomach. Ill be honest. Darren and our immigration problem is so vast now , as you said, costing now, as you said, costing 6 million a day. The barge. Is anyone ever going to step foot on that barge . I dont think they ever will. I really dont think so. Theres always excuses and now theyre saying its a fire hazard. And look, the first fire hazard. And look, the first order of any government is to look after its people. We have a duty look after our own duty to look after our own people and whats happening here is totally disgusting and im disgraced by it. Disgraced by it. I mean, benjamin, does this not show that the party you support is totally out of step with the people of the country . Well, its good to be here. On another Darren Grimes immigration. Our you know what i cant stand is this claptrap about supposed lefty lawyers trying to overturn the will of the people and nonsense like that . We have laws in this country that are passed by parliament and lawyers. All they parliament and lawyers. All they can do is interpret and enforce the law of the land. So this the law of the land. So this person who is a labour councillor , but her main job to councillor, but her main job to which that tiktok video refers is her job as immigration is herjob as an immigration lawyer is trying to help people within the rules that parliament set. So you sit there and set. So when you sit there and you attack labour for you attack the labour party for that, actually why dont you take some responsibility as a tory hardliner for the fact that the rules that shes trying to enforce are the decision of people like Suella Braverman and the 400 tory Prime Ministers weve had in 13 years. Well, alex, its news to me that ive never attacked the conservative party before. I think probably it week in, think i probably do it week in, week but never mind week out, but never mind ignonng week out, but never mind ignoring that. Do you actually think the labour think this shows that the labour party will never take immigration and immigration seriously and therefore the therefore never take the concerns public . Concerns of the public . They never have taken immigration that immigration seriously. And that councillor, benjamin immigration seriously. And that c she illor, benjamin immigration seriously. And that c she called benjamin immigration seriously. And that c she called this benjamin immigration seriously. And that c she called this countryenjamin immigration seriously. And that c she called this country a|jamin , she called this country a hostile environment illegal hostile environment for Illegal Immigrants. Are more immigrants. I think we are more than i mean look at than welcoming. I mean look at the accommodation putting the accommodation were putting them day. So i mean them up in every day. So i mean i turn around and to i think to turn around and to completely facts that completely ignore the facts that the tories have actually done quite lot illegal quite a lot for a Illegal Immigrants and for migrants in this so this country. More so than i think most would be happy think most people would be happy with. A lot really. But with. It says a lot really. But its same old labour, isnt its the same old labour, isnt it . Its the same old labour then its time for the voice of then its time for the voice of the conservative party. You think its dont you think that its time that stopped blaming the time that we stopped blaming the labour for problems in labour party for problems in 2023 . Truly labour its truly a labour camp. Its truly a labour camp. Point is that my no, but my point is that my party, the conservative party, has been in power for the last 13 years. Immigration gone 13 years. Immigration has gone up that think we up over that time. I think we need to own our mistakes. One of the values of being a conservative personal conservative is personal responsibility. Im not going to sit and labour sit here and blame labour for the that this the Immigration Crisis that this country is seeing. The simple fact the matter is party, fact of the matter is my party, the party, has the conservative party, has failed for the failed on immigration for the last i mean, lizzie , last 13 years. I mean, lizzie, do theres a wider do you think theres a wider problem social media in problem with social media in general . Lot of the stories because a lot of the stories are suggesting that are actually suggesting that many of the people coming over the channel have the English Channel have actually advertising on actually seen advertising on social media saying, we can get you over in a dinghy for x amount. You over in a dinghy for x amount. Sadly, you over in a dinghy for x amount. Sadly, thats the way amount. Sadly, thats the way its been done. Look, and i think social media got to take the blame media has got to take the blame for a lot of this on tiktok. The people that running it, you people that are running it, you know, look at what know, youve got to look at what whats spread out there. Whats being spread out there. Its. And if its disgusting. And look, if you illegally, you are you come over illegally, you are a. Im sorry that a criminal. Im sorry that youre if youre throwing your passport away, weve got to stop the gangs. Weve got to stop the crossings. Dangerous, crossings. Its a dangerous, you know, they are criminals know, but they are criminals because coming over here because theyre coming over here illegally and are you saying that the lawyers, they were being paid a lot of money . Benjamin to want people to get to give them loopholes of how to get away with it, not telling the sorry thats not the truth . Sorry thats not fair. And what about our own people . About own people . What about our own Homeless People arent Homeless People that arent given a barge to be in or given food, water, shelter . What about you know, i spoke to that is on the street. Its not on were the street. Its not on were not even looking after our own hypocrisy, isnt it . It comes back to our on. No, it is hypocrisy. We wont look after our own people, but were happy to look after anyone that illegally. Its elite. The word illegal. It comes over here. Then what . I guess that means then what . I guess that means then that that we should what . I guess that means then that higher that we should what . I guess that means then that higher taxest we should what . I guess that means then that higher taxes and should what . I guess that means then that higher taxes and ahould what . I guess that means then that higher taxes and a more have higher taxes and a more secure welfare net for those people because we should spend the on the money on immigration, on solving issue , solving the homelessness issue, that we should get rid of the holes, loopholes the holes, the loopholes in the welfare have homelessness. Thats what we need. Thats what we need. You have a tory government rid of the you have a tory government that has seen homelessness go through the roof, veterans thrown roof, that sees veterans thrown out house years out of their house at 98 years old, like highlighted on this old, like we highlighted on this channel other and has channel the other week and has seen and illegal seen immigration and Illegal Immigrants one thing. These are the failures of these are the failures of tory governments, the labour tory governments, not the labour party. Thing you are right party. One thing you are right on though is that it is the law and this theres no suggestion that has broken that this solicitor has broken the perfectly legal to the law. Its perfectly legal to help of illegal help the trade of illegal migrants. We need to do migrants. But what we need to do is is he is right is change the law is he is right. The echr. Youre. Leave the echr. Youre blairite project. We should leave altogether. But Winston Churchill project. Liz has given you her thoughts. Blair put it into law. But lizzies giving you her thoughts on why. Meghan, not only needs to look at fixing relations with the royal family, but the relationships with but also the relationships with our own family. Its time for lizzies livet oh wow. And i am so livid. Lizzies livet oh wow. And i am so livid. And why and i am so livid. And why should meghan and harry never be allowed back in the royal family . Well ill tell you why. Apart from trashing the royal family in books weve read spell maybe you havent. Youve been spared it. Theyve done their documentaries. We saw with oprah where they actually told a load of lies , actually said there was of lies, actually said there was alleged racist in the royal family. And ill beloved queen passed away not knowing that you know who this racist actually was. Well, there wasnt a racist because meghan had actually made it up so , you know, they go on it up so, you know, they go on and on and on. And when will they stop . Well, i hope theyd they stop . Well, i hope theyd stop because meghan has been very, very quiet of late and they havent been seen together as a couple. But then they suddenly appear again all smiles, sweet and sickly. Add to smiles, sweet and sickly. Add to do a. Vide o. Smiles, sweet and sickly. Add to do a. Vide 0. Yes, from their do a. Video. Yes, from their podcast for their wonderful charity. Giving awards , which i charity. Giving awards, which i have to say was very strange because it was all seemed set up to me because how did the know lord winner pick up the phone . And there was a suddenly a camera there that was filming her. Itsjust camera there that was filming her. Its just so sickly sweet and theyre doing is ruining and all theyre doing is ruining the royal family and im sorry. I really do feel this whinging couple need to find their own identity. Stop talking about the royals and find something really goodin royals and find something really good in life to do and maybe, you know, make amends with not just the royal family, but with each other and maybe meghans family. Dont forget her poor father that was left out in the cold. So should we really let them ever back in . I really dont think so. Even the beckhams are distancing some from this couple. I mean , for from this couple. I mean, for harry to even accuse Victoria Beckham of selling stories on his wife. Is quite ludicrous. I mean, i know her you know fashion range isnt doing that well at the minute, but i dont think she needs to sell stories. So so over to you first, alex. What do you think of this . Should we ever let them back in the royal. No, im done with them and i think the public are done with them arent they . Them as well, arent they . I mean, do you know whats really funny . Heard that meghan funny . I heard that Meghan Markle a new version markle is making a new version of expectations, the of great expectations, where the focus on miss havisham focus will be on miss havisham and ifs focus will be on miss havisham and its a and i think its a self fulfilling prophecy, and i think its a selthatlfilling prophecy, and i think its a selthat she ng prophecy, and i think its a selthat she sheirophecy, and i think its a selthat she she wants y, and i think its a selthat she she wants to be it, that she she wants to be this widow that has been this future widow that has been so poorly by the britain so poorly treated by the britain and royal family. And im and the royal family. And im sick death it. I think you sick to death of it. I think you are as well, lizzie, arent you . I am a little bit sick to death of it, and i dont know what youre thinking. What what youre thinking. Lv what do you because bit you think . Because youre a bit of fan. You sit on the fence of a fan. You sit on the fence with meghan and harry. I was a huge fan of them back in 2017 or 2018, whenever it is, the duchess of sussex the duke and duchess of sussex got but more recently got married, but more recently i have become of the way have become tired of the way theyve behaving what i theyve been behaving and what i want than anything want to see more than anything is reconciliation between is a reconciliation between the royal meghan and royal family and meghan and harry. Doesnt seem harry. But that doesnt seem like going to happen soon, like its going to happen soon, especially when we listen to the most reports theyve especially when we listen to the mosbeen reports theyve especially when we listen to the mosbeen invited rts theyve especially when we listen to the mosbeen invited to theyve especially when we listen to the mosbeen invited to the theyve especially when we listen to the mosbeen invited to the one yve especially when we listen to the mosbeen invited to the one year not been invited to the one year commemoration her majesty, not been invited to the one year conqueenstion her majesty, not been invited to the one year conqueens death, her majesty, not been invited to the one year conqueens death, ofr majesty, not been invited to the one year conqueens death, of course,ty, the queens death, of course, last which affected all last year, which affected us all very and i think that very deeply. And i think that just shows that actually the rift between family rift between the royal family and and still and meghan and harry is still very alive. Very much alive. And didnt we see the silence when her 42nd birthday . When it was her 42nd birthday . They werent any social they werent any no social media. They werent any no social me why there be . Why should there be . Why should there be . Mean, look how i mean, look how disrespectful they treated prince was dying in Prince Philip as he was dying in hospital, queen was. Hospital, as the queen was. Clearly they clearly quite ill, which they would about. Would have known about. Well before they were before we did. And they were coming here spouting more coming over here spouting more nonsense oprah. Mean, nonsense going on oprah. I mean, they dont care about anyone but themselves, do they . And you know, like grifters in know, we dont like grifters in this were of this country. Were sick of were to death them. And were sick to death of them. And they biggest grifters to they are the biggest grifters to come britain. Yeah. Come out of britain. Yeah. You think theyre grifters . I do, actually. Yes very much so. 50. So. And the idea that the public are thick enough to believe that are thick enough to believe that a camera just happened to a camera crew just happened to turn and be there for when turn up and be there for when they it, i mean, its they needed it, i mean, its absolutely and this absolutely ludicrous. And this whole have whole notion they should have lost titles a long lost their royal titles a long time the idea that the time ago, the idea that the British Public are ever going to say, welcome back. Welcome say, welcome back. We welcome you arms. I mean, you with open arms. I mean, were forgiving but were a forgiving country, but my you were not that my god, you know, were not that forgiving that was forgiving in that that was really heartbreaking what forgiving in that that was realldid. Heartbreaking what forgiving in that that was realldid. They artbreaking what forgiving in that that was realldid. They basically1g what forgiving in that that was realldid. They basically1g wiat they did. They basically said a massive f you, if i can say that at this time to the British Public, to the British Public, and we turn around and gave them so much love, so much support when they were married, as ill be rightly says, and they threw it back in the nations face. Itll not be forgiven. Well, i mean, maybe they should have done that call without the media. Do you not think a camera crew think without a camera crew there, better . There, wouldnt that be better . Are of the most they are two of the most famous people in the world. Meghan markle a couple of years famous people in the world. Megwas markle a couple of years famous people in the world. Megwas the kle a couple of years famous people in the world. Megwas the most couple of years famous people in the world. Megwas the most googledf years famous people in the world. Megwas the most googled person ago was the most googled person on the planet. Thats how famous they for all wrong they are for all the wrong reasons. For those reasons. And so for those charitable they bring charitable causes, they bring a lot attention that lot of attention and that is very helpful them. But very helpful for them. But i think you would be naive and misguided to think that the royal family not need harry royal family does not need harry and. The royals need and meghan. The royals do need you. Do they need harry and meghan . Because the truth is that harry engaged that harry and meghan engaged with audience with with a younger audience with millions of millennials, with their behaviour around the world. Theyve ruined it all. Im speaking actually. And so i think that when talk about think that when you talk about questions race, about questions about race, about privilege, know, about privilege, you know, about sexuality, the kind of issues that those generations identify with, harry and meghan are. With, harry and meghan are. Benjamin surely you like me, are disappointed at the opportunity that they had to talk about those very issues that you highlighted, which are very important, which they have completely because of completely squandered because of the they have behaved the way that they have behaved since im so since since megxit. Im so disappointed that they could have had everything. Benjamin and she actually ruined she was ruined it. I thought she was going be the next princess going to be the next princess diana. Was she diana. I thought she was she thought she did. Dont thought that she did. And dont tell didnt know anything tell me she didnt know anything about family. She was about the royal family. She was there young girl there posing as a young girl outside buckingham palace. Outside buckingham palace. A big apparently, she had a big poster of Prince William in her room. She wanted to be the peoples princess. Shes going to end up the princess because its the pauper princess because its looking americans have looking like the americans have had her. Shes had totally enough of her. Shes losing deals left, losing all of these deals left, right centre. And you know losing all of these deals left, right it centre. And you know losing all of these deals left, right it couldntand you know losing all of these deals left, right it couldnt haveou know losing all of these deals left, right it couldnt have happened what . It couldnt have happened to i think. To a nicer person. I think. Do you know what . I think the death blow for them was south park. I love show. It park. I love that show. It shines a light at anybody. They dont youre on the dont care whether youre on the left wing or whatever left or right wing or whatever you shone a light you are, but they shone a light to american public. The to the american public. And the most satirical way, and its totally since then, totally derailed. Since then, that has wonderful, totally derailed. Since then, tithink. Has wonderful, i think. But that was very funny. But that was very funny. Also the she did but also the curtsy she did in oprah interview. And i in that oprah interview. And i even could see and i have even could see anyone and i have met prince harry a time, met prince harry many a time, but face looked appalled, i but his face looked appalled, i have say. It showed he was have to say. It showed he was embarrassed theyve become embarrassed and theyve become an embarrassing, stock, an embarrassing, laughing stock, im think you have a load of i think you have a load of squawking bigots who are to squawking bigots who are out to get am walking bigger . Get people. Am i walking bigger . Benjamin . People hated benjamin . The people that hated them from years ago. But i. Because they talk about progressive issues, they stand. Lots of people didnt hate them. They took an award on race equality. And then the same day later they turned around and gone. Never claimed the royal gone. We never claimed the royal family racist, theres family was racist, yet theres hundreds of hours of video inside and lied and lied and theyve tripped over themselves with lies. With their lies. Benjamin cannot stick up benjamin you cannot stick up for what theyve said for them. Of what theyve said about family you have about the royal family you have to if you dont like the to even if you dont like the royal its wrong. Royal family, its wrong. Like royal family i do like the royal family actually. Monarchist. Actually. Im a monarchist. I like liars. You like liars . I like liars. You like liars . No. Lizzy didnt say that. But well, he does like labour. Well, he does like labour. The truth is. The truth is that i think they engage with a lot of people. And if you think you just shun and you can just shun them and pretend that dont exist, pretend that they dont exist, then damage then its going to damage the royals in the long no one welcome more than in the welcome them more than in the pubuc welcome them more than in the public one. Public and me for one. We so happy when they we were so happy when they married. Well, im glad they could have had everything. Weve the peoples weve got the peoples princess here tonight. Indeed. We have indeed. We have indeed. The time indeed. Thats the perfect time to break. Still to come to go to break. Still to come tonight, though, alex is locking on potentially on a potentially orwellian nightmare. And benjamin will explain give explain why hed like to give gary lineker a standing ovation. Wasnt was going wasnt sure what that was going to but never mind. To say there, but never mind. Next up, though, albees next up, though, its albees diving british rowans diving into british rowans decision transgender diving into british rowans decision from transgender diving into british rowans decision from womens nder athletes from Womens International events. A good one. Youre with the saturday five live on gb news, britains news channel welcome back to the saturday. Five cheers for your company and cheers for your emails about tonights topics. Justine says tonights topics. Justine says tonights topics. Justine says to right albie. The tories have made a mess of immigration for years. So who does darren attack years. So who does darren attack labour . Well, shes got me. Lizzie cundy was livid about the sussexes, but amy says , lets sussexes, but amy says, lets face it, we would all be bereft without meghan and to harry gossip about them. Well, thats true, actually. All power to them. But then richard says, nobody cares about harry and meghan. I would honestly rather watch paint dry. Well you might have to, because theyre not going to be anywhere before long. Now time for our very long. Now its time for our very next up next, its albee next debate. Up next, its albee who agrees with british rowan, who agrees with british rowan, who banned trans athletes who have banned trans athletes from competing in womens events. Take it away, albee well, well, well. Well, well, well. It seems that common sense is finally prevailing on what has become one of the thorniest issues up for debate in britain in recent times. Whether or not in recent times. Whether or not it is fair for transgender women to compete against biological women in elite categories in sports , i say no. So does the sports, i say no. So does the British Rowing Association as this week they joined many other sporting associations , including sporting associations, including athletics , triathlon and also athletics, triathlon and also swimming in banning transgender women from competing against biological women at Womens International events. I think this is the right move, but it has become a very toxic issue that i think simply the lgbt movement has been spending too much time on. I think its ridiculous that we got to a point in British Society where people were being cancelled, being called bigots, being fired from their jobs for simply saying that biological women and biological men should not compete against each other in sporting categories because its unfair. How did we get to that point . Weve got to be focusing point . Weve got to be focusing on the important issues, not an issue which should have been settled decades , if not settled decades, if not centuries ago. According to science, there is no medical way to reverse the physical advantage is that men go through in puberty , which means that for in puberty, which means that for transgender women who of course, were born as males, for them to actually compete fairly de with biological women. Now there are biological women. Now there are still so many issues to solve in the lgbt plus community, which is why i think its an absolute scandal that lgbt activists have been trying to convince people that its fair for transgender women and biological women to compete against each other in sport. Lets look at the states this week. Oh sibley, a 28 year old dancer who was dancing to a beyonce song , was stabbed in beyonce song, was stabbed in america earlier on this week. An awful hate crime. Which reminds us all that there is still so much work to do on lgbt rights , which makes me so angry free because weve wasted so much time focusing on an issue which affects such a small number of people. When there are people being killed on the streets just for being gay. Its being killed on the streets just for being gay. Its time being killed on the streets just for being gay. Its time that we for being gay. Its time that we focus on the stuff that matters. I think its good that we can finally close the book on this issue of transgender women competing against women in sports and move on to the issues that matter. Lizzie cundy , you that matter. Lizzie cundy, you are our resident woman on the panel this week, and you are also quite involved in sports in britain. How do you feel about british rowing banning transgender women from Womens International events . Well, its the right thing to do. Look, i was married to a footballer. Imagine my ex husband playing football against me. Theres you know, its just me. Theres you know, its just ridiculous. And i am actually getting sick of feeling, you know , intimidated and silenced. Know, intimidated and silenced. If i speak out about this and im sick of actually, i mean, the Trans Community should be treated with kind and cairneys. Right . But, you know, if i speak out about it, i, you know, i feel really intimidated. And if its just not fair because a man is much stronger, a transgender woman is going to be stronger faster than any woman. Its in their dna. And im afraid you know, when you dig up the bones, 300 years later, its going to be still a man. And thats how it is. Its their dna. And its look , and im dna. And its look, and im involved with sport and it is just so unfair. You know, we just so unfair. You know, we just had a picture there of leah thomas on a podium. I dont know if we can get that back for my next question. But if we look at but but, benjamin, if we look at that there of leah thomas that image there of leah thomas on a swimming podium in america, do feel that that is fair do you feel that that is fair and that that is right . Look, i think clearly in most cases, if someone who was born male is competing as a theyre a trans woman , then its going to be woman, then its going to be unfair in most cases. I dont think anybody disputes that. Well no, its the same view that, you know, the human rights activist Peter Tatchell takes. But doesnt that there but that doesnt mean that there arent to cases or arent going to be cases or sports where physicality match matters rather less. You know, matters rather less. You know, you the case where the you have the case where the British Darts Association was saying that they were banning trans women. Well i really think the physicality the skill and the physicality are rather separate in a case like example. And like darts, for example. And i think there is this vengeance towards trans people right now. I mean, lizzie says that she feels afraid to express her views on trans people. I mean, views on trans people. I mean, what balderdash. Almost everybody balderdash. Everybody. Balderdash. Look whats happened to look at whats happened to j. K. Not balderdash. J. K. Its not balderdash. J. K. Rowling. What . J. K. Rowling is on the front page every newspaper not page of every newspaper and not get i get on social get the abuse i get on social media when i speak out about it. Should a look. You should have a look. You should have a look. Honestly, i dont accept you should have a look. Hyou. Tly, i dont accept you should have a look. Hyou know, iont accept you should have a look. Hyou know, they accept you should have a look. Hyou know, they talk3t you should have a look. Hyou know, they talk about that. You know, they talk about this gender lobby. They this trans gender lobby. They call you know, complete call it you know, its complete nonsense because if transgender people so all powerful, then people are so all powerful, then name a transgender labour mp who was elected as a transgender person or a councillor or a city boss or someone who runs a big charity, but someone whos in the grind. Thats not really nonsense. They dont have power nonsense. They dont have power down grimes thats not really the though, it . The point, though, is it . Because people get a lot of because people do get a lot of abuse about this abuse for speaking about this issue, that you have. And issue, i know that you have. And do you feel that perhaps the tide has turned on this and that common sense is prevailing when it to the banning of it does come to the banning of transgender and women only transgender women and women only sports categories . Think its starting its i think its starting to its pretty rich at benjamin to sit there and say that, you know, lizzie, people like lizzy have never any pushback for never received any pushback for their how you their views. How often do you call bigot or a terf, call people a bigot or a terf, for example . Use the for example . I dont use the word well, im you word terf. Well, im sure you have the no, but this have in the past. No, but this idea that because youre being challenged on, thats not charging someone to shut down by a word and intimidation or do you have the same view . And i dont which one of us is abused . And i dont which one of us is i abused . And i dont which one of us is i willabused . And i dont which one of us is i will say,3d . And i dont which one of us is i will say, though, and i will say, though, and i know this man right here is going to be in agreement. He thinks, think we need to split thinks, i think we need to split the tea away from the lgb because i think its harming acceptance and women. Acceptance of gay men and women. Ask that question. Do lets ask that question. Do you tea should be you think that the tea should be split lgbt actually, split from lgbt and actually, ill bit further. Do ill go a little bit further. Do you think that lgbt should actually be disaggregated completely yeah, absolutely should. W should. Its complete i mean, its complete nonsense. Plus the two sl nonsense. The plus the two sl whatever it is these days thats added to this ridiculously ever growing acronym of nonsense is including people from so many different ranges from some varying or Mental Health issues, gender issues, sexual morality issues. How can you effectively tackle any of these issues when you have so many things to consider all at once . I mean, whos whos more important than than the other in this than than the other in this acronym do in acronym . Do you go in alphabetical order . I mean, like its getting beyond its getting its getting beyond nonsense its getting its getting beyond norwas e its getting its getting beyond norwase not important, ben . I was it not important, ben . I mean, historically, when lgbt people were fighting for the right to equality, as far as im in a club together, the abuse that targets gay people is the same , that targets trans people. Same, that targets trans people. And why im proud to and thats why im proud to stand with them. Okay, well have to leave it there. More still to come, though, this fiery edition of though, on this fiery edition of saturday five. First of all, lets look at where that lets have a look at where that global boiling is at that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good evening. My name is good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been quite a wet, windy and unsettled day across uk and thats been across the uk and thats been due to storm. Anthony thats going to move away to the southeast though, as we go through this evening to allow for some lighter winds to move in from the west. But we could still see bit more in the way still see a bit more in the way of cloud rain and some thunderstorms clinging the thunderstorms clinging into the southeast also some southeast for a while. Also some blustery conditions here. Elsewhere, things drying up that we could still see some showers for west and coasts and there will be some clear spells around. So in rural areas, temperatures might just drop into the single figures. This will mean itll be a generally brighter, drier and calmer start to the second half of the weekend. Though still some blustery conditions. Cloud and rain across east anglia at first cloud and showers soon bubbling up elsewhere and they could be heavy across scotland. Northern england and a chance of a thunderstorm for northern ireland, but generally feeling much more pleasant with those temperatures creeping into temperatures just creeping into the in the south after the low 20s in the south after another chilly night, the low 20s in the south after another chilly night , though, on another chilly night, though, on sunday, it will be a bright start to the new week with plenty of sunshine around and some showers soon starting to bubble up. But these will be less frequent and lighter in nature than what were expecting for sunday. But as we look towards midweek, it does look like things will settle down and become a bit drier with those temperatures to that temperatures on the rise to that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. I know you wouldnt dare dream of leaving us because benjamin will be backing gary lineker. I bet hes going to be alone on that one. But next, alex is angry about radical proposals for a new cop summit focussed on pandemics. Youre focussed on pandemics. Youre with the saturday five live on welcome back to the saturday five. Your emails are coming in thick and fast regarding albees discussion on transgender athletes, ian says Bravo Benjamin i havent heard the word balderdash for about 30 years now. I know how to years now. I know how to describe most of your arguments. Well, there we are , john. John well, there we are, john. John takes a more serious approach, and he says a simple solution is to have a transgender only category. Now, what that convince you . Albie well, i think they have actually opened and opened category c, which transgender women can compete in. Well, there we are considering now, though, its time for our next debate up next, its alex. And is angry about world and alex is angry about World Health Organisation proposals for a pan demic health cop conference that could hand powers to lock down nations, take it away, alex. Well , this week, un secretary well, this week, un secretary general Antonio Guterres called rishi sunak radical and dangerous, creating an economic mess by his proposals to open new oil drilling in the north sea. Now i dont know if this is the same rishi sunak thats our Prime Minister who seemingly not dangerous nor radical in any way , shape or form. But you have to laugh at the hypocrisy that comes United Nations comes out of the United Nations and its affiliate agencies like the who. Lets go back a couple of years and look at what happened during the pandemic, shall we . Lockdowns that took away all of your freedom to even leave your home that barely touched the spike at the time to stop the spread of covid and has damaged our economy the point damaged our economy to the point where weve got inflation running wild. Thats thanks to running wild. Thats thanks to lockdowns, the way. Secondly, lockdowns, by the way. Secondly, vaccine would vaccine passports. What would those right. Those those. Oh, thats right. Those passports that again prove that stopping the spread had no impact whatsoever. It were just impact whatsoever. It were just chuck out these digital ids , chuck out these digital ids, capture all your data and make sure cant attend anything. Sure you cant attend anything. If freedom to if you exercise your freedom to not the vaccine. Now did not take the vaccine. Now did you think it was all over . Did you think it was all over . Did you did you think covid was done . Did you think pandemics were done . Well, ive got some disturbing you, because were done . Well, ive got some distw. H. O. You, because were done . Well, ive got some distw. H. O. Is you, because were done . Well, ive got some distw. H. O. Is now you, because were done . Well, ive got some distw. H. O. Is now proposingause were done . Well, ive got some distw. H. O. Is now proposing a se the who. Is now proposing a new cop conference. Thats right. And its not a climate one. Its 1 1. And its not a climate one. Its1 1 about pandemics. If you its1 1 about pandemics. If you thought it wasnt getting terrible already , the orwellian terrible already, the orwellian nightmare is still beginning. Now ive taken the liberty of reading the proposals page by page , tediously poring over page, tediously poring over those committee notes. And one those committee notes. And one of the most disturbing things that i found as a Committee Member is proposing that we hand lockdown powers over to the w. H. O. Lockdown powers over to the who. Now that means if theres w. H. O. Now that means if theres another pandemic declared , then another pandemic declared, then every nation systematically can be locked down by those unelected globalist bureaucrats at the who. Now conservative ministers have been quick to turn around and tell us that that will never happen. We will protect sovereignty as we protect our sovereignty as we did theyre not did with brexit, but theyre not going in government going to be in government forever, even next forever, maybe not even next yeah forever, maybe not even next year. Do you trust the Labour Party Value your freedoms . Do party to value your freedoms . Do you trust the labour party to look after your sovereignty . We must now. Toe to tackle must stop now. Toe to tackle this orwellian nightmare before more of our sovereignty is passed over to these bureaucrats who do not care at all. The government must do something. We must put some guardrails in and people must speak out about this before its too late. Well said, alex. Do you know what i remember at the start of the pandemic when the World Health Organisation was completely in hock to china right. Do we really want the right. Do we really want the chinese dictating when the uk can and cannot down . Can and cannot lock down . I mean, thats exactly i mean, thats thats exactly how wasnt it . How it all started, wasnt it . I know all saw the news at the know we all saw the news at the time where people were dressed in these suits going to the in these suits going up to the streets, spraying the streets, which ridiculous. Which now seems ridiculous. So were media were totally will of the media and so called science lists and the so called science lists at time who who have who at the time who who have who have a bunch of have actually peddled a bunch of lies the public for so long lies to the public for so long on on on the narratives, particularly vaccine particularly with vaccine passports, are passports, which we know are complete fraud. So complete and utter fraud. So i mean, wheres it going to end be . Im just interested because you appear to have come up with an entire argument based on one thing that one member of this committee that is planning a conference which may or may not happen, has said about giving the w. H. O. Happen, has said about giving the who. Powers to lock down nations. And theres no theres no kind of road map to that ever happening. Youre just sort of worried about a hypothetical. Worried about a hypothetical. Its not hypothetical if its being spoken about at a united nafions being spoken about at a United Nations committee where they get to vote and have delegates to vote on this, you will you get to vote in person. One person has spoken about it. Its not. Its true. 2 or 3 delegates have spoken. 2 3. Have spoken. 2 or 3. All right. That is thats enough a proposal to go enough for a proposal to go forward. All three represent governments. Theyre not all three represent govejoefents. Theyre not all three represent govejoe bloggs theyre not all three represent govejoe bloggs off theyre not all three represent govejoe bloggs off thestreet. just joe bloggs off the street. These these government these are these are government appointed they are appointed delegates. They are not just going, oh, not just people going, oh, i want give lockdown powers to someone. Lockdown was voted in by parliament. It was lord. It was there were laws which were passed by british parliament. I dont see risk of the dont see any risk of the government, either labour or conservative lviv giving away the power to lock down the nafion the power to lock down the nation to globalist obe is still suffering from the lockdowns. Were still suffering from the lock down. We have a crisis because of the lockdowns. I tell you, Mental Health issues and children being not able to go to school because i mean, when you look back, it was mad. I sat on a bench and got told not to sit there because, you know, all of that locked down. To be fair nonsense. Yes, down. To be fair nonsense. Yes, i do. Occasionally but why are we listening to United Nations . I mean , were boiling. I mean, i mean, were boiling. I mean, how about them stop their aircon and going on the private jet . Are they all so hypocrites with their private jets . So conference. Look at labour. Labour would have kept us in lockdown. Do you remember starmer . He would have kept us in. Still be probably being in. Wed still be probably being locked down now if it were to stop. You know, the worst thing about these proposals for a cop conference, by way, is that conference, by the way, is that those used those cop conferences are used to and harass nations into to bully and harass nations into conformity. So once we have one of going, theyll be of those going, theyll be saying, why saying, well, britain, why arent look what arent you doing it . Look what they trump with the paris agreements. Good news, alex. Pandemics and viruses famously within and viruses famously stay within artificial germany artificial borders. If germany had out, had a pandemic breakout out, good job. Chance hell good job. No chance in hell of it. Getting austria or it. Getting to austria or france, mean, its just france, right . I mean, its just complete that you would complete claptrap that you would look at governments coming together solve together to see how we solve problems. We dont have the problems. So we dont have the disaster killed disaster that killed over a million people, like with covid by together, pooling by coming together, pooling their and their their resources and their knowledge and their scientific knowledge and their scientific knowledge their experience knowledge and their experience of the last pandemic to avoid knowledge and their experience of tmistakesindemic to avoid knowledge and their experience of tmistakes happening avoid the mistakes happening again, who mind thinks who in their right mind thinks thatis who in their right mind thinks that is a mistake . Look thats were a mistake. Please let me respond. Please let me respond. The argument, the argument that benjamin made there is exactly the argument thats going to be to lock us for going to be made to lock us for down climate the down climate lockdowns. The argument say that argument you will say that people dying from the toxic people are dying from the toxic city the air. Sadiq khan ulez city of the air. Sadiq khan ulez has already been proposing to use that as an argument to lock us down. So my point is my point is my point is this, that we are heading towards this global bureaucracy one way or another. Its going to happen by attrition. We will have these cop conferences where we will literally bully countries like they bullied america when they left and the left the paris accords and the paris agreements into conformity. I think this is wrong. These people are not elected. They are put there by they are delegation by the government. Not saying, government. And im not saying, benjamin, that its not its terrible governments to terrible for governments to organise and tackle pandemics. Organise and tackle pandemics. Im saying the proposals that im saying if the proposals that come out of these conferences say we should hand powers say we should hand the powers of sovereignty to sovereignty over to International Bodies that are not elected by the people, that is wrong. Do you see think that but do you see think that would ever get through to parliament . Probably would, i think it probably would, yes. I think it probably would. I think a Labour Government would certainly be bolder. To leave it there. Well have to leave it there. Benjamin butterworth be Benjamin Butterworth will be coming a bite coming back, though, for a bite of cherry when it comes to of the cherry when it comes to taking a for gary lineker taking a stand for gary lineker. See if he can convince. Lets see if he can convince any to join him. Hes got any of us to join him. Hes got any of us to join him. Hes got a job, ill tell you that. A hard job, ill tell you that. For free. Youre us for free. Youre with us saturday, five on. Gb news. Welcome back to the saturday. Five cheers for your company and your emails. Mike has written in. And hes not a happy bunny. He has said, ive been at work all day, come home, sink in the armchair. 8 pm. For gb news for an hour. But you are still talking about lgbt issues. Its nothing else going on. Hes got a good point. I must say. Susan says the government had the eu to run everything and now they have no idea how to run the country. I think thats alexs point, actually, richard says labour will no doubt impose global boil and lockdowns if they come to power, only go out in the sunshine for essentials. In the sunshine for essentials. Well, you mustnt do that. Youll burn to death. And now its youll burn to death. And now wsfime youll burn to death. And now its time for our next debate. Up its time for our next debate. Up next, its the one and only benjamin whos going to take on why gary lineker deserved not just any standing ovation , but a just any standing ovation, but a marks and spencer standing ovation. Benjamin take it away. Well, youve ruined the gag at the end, havent you . Look, you know, gary lineker recently went into his local marks and spencer and got a standing ovation just like this. Now , i dont know if you can now, i dont know if you can see that on the camera, but he spoke to the Daily Telegraph today and talked about how when that row was happening, when he had spoken up for the rights of migrants , some of migrants and refugees, some of the most Vulnerable People coming into this country, that his local m s, the epitome of middle england, a Great British company, and he got a standing ovation just like that beautiful and moving one i just gave him. Now thats the truth that actually in this country people are far more on the side of progress of thoughtful people like gary lineker than they are the hateful right wing zealots that try and attack migrants. Building a new life in this country. In fact, gary lineker went further and he said that he considers it a compliment to be called woke. Well gary is someone whos been dubbed the wokeist man in britain. I agree with you. And thats the real nature of this country. People love gary lineker and they love the bbc. Its why im so proud of the bbc. And i think that we should give it more money because its the fabric that holds this country together. So, gary lineker, i think youre a hero , and i hope that the rest hero, and i hope that the rest of my saturday five will join me in a standing ovation for gary. I dont think so. In a standing ovation for gary. I dont think so. I might do it. Good luck. Im going to do it. Good luck. Im going to do it. Just stop. Ill get on the floor. Ive given it a red card right away. Darren is finally going to take a knee. Benjamin . Benjamin, im so proud spoken about. Proud that youve spoken about. Youve that a youve spoken like that about a black of course, black man because of course, gary lineker. Gary lineker famously , he identifies as famously, he identifies as a black man. I identify him as an idiot. Im sorry. I dont i dont believe that he walked into an m s and got a standing ovation. What what was everyone mass just sat on the floor of the shop and then they got up and gave him standing ovation. And gave him a standing ovation. I its nonsense. Is it i mean, its nonsense. Is it even true people like you think that like me, people that you have, like me, people like, they you have a grid like, they think you have a grid. You think you have a grip on the idea of this silent majority, that silent majority, that the silent majority, that the silent majority small minded majority is all small minded bigots like Darren Grimes. Truth bigots like Darren Grimes. Truth is the truth is that the silent majority is with gary lineker. Do you know what . For four years, for four years, i worked in a marks in the in a marks and spencer in the north east of england. And i tell you what, there is no more of a tory base than the marks and spencer shopper. So its you who are totally out of touch, wanting border controls doesnt make you a bigot. It doesnt make you a bigot. It makes a realist. Its you. Makes you a realist. Its you. Lets not forget. I know where gary lives in leafy barnes and i know his marks and spencers benjamin lives in a nice multi Million Pound house. Let me tell you about mouth of the day. Gary about mouth of the day. Gary lineker. He shouldnt be giving us his political views. Shouldnt be writing in. What was it the telegraph today about being woke . We dont want to know his political views. Hes there to talk about the football and sell crisps, pay the licence fee from our purse. We pay for fee from our purse. We pay for garys huge wages, which are in the millions , by the way. He the millions, by the way. He doesnt relate to the normal person on the street or to you, benjamin. He lives in a multi Million Pound house, earning fortunes , and i dont earning fortunes, and i dont want to hear his political views. So no, i wont applaud him. Ill give him the red card and ill tell you what, im sick of death of gary lineker. And i dont believe for one minute of death of gary lineker. And i dont b isnt well . Isnt he as well . This is what i hate. This and this is what i hate. This the most. This is the most frustrating thing. Hes the same guy that out to qatar that guy that flew out to qatar that was before was protesting weeks before about lgbt rights two or about lgbt rights plus two or whatever hell it is. And whatever the hell it is. And then hes to and then hes happy to go and get his million his multi Million Pound paycheque go and host the paycheque to go and host the world cup qatar. And what world cup in qatar. And what does get for that . Oh nice does he get for that . Oh nice round of applause and bigger round of applause and a bigger paycheque the paycheque every year from the bbc reporting on itself bbc thats reporting on itself and going fact that and going i think the fact that he when his values he speaks out when his values are against it. I mean you know if are against you if your values are against you were if youre were that you know if youre that would you and take the millions as well he did . Millions as well as he did . I mean, be are not on the i mean, be are you not on the side of. Lineker no, im not. I think i made that quite clear from beginning. Look, i, from the beginning. Look, i, i respect respect the right for respect i respect the right for people speech. But people to have free speech. But heres one of the bbcs biggest stars im with with lizzie stars im with im with lizzie on i dont to know on this. I dont want to know what linekers political what Gary Linekers political views are. I want to know what flavour likes. Flavour crisps he likes. Know what, though . But you know what, though . All interested in what all im interested in what i would say, though, at least would say, though, is at least gary lineker has put his money where and taken in where his mouth is and taken in a or two. A migrant or two. Many have you taken into how many have you taken into your nice home in your lovely, nice home in london . Like most young london . Well like most young people, i have a spare bedroom. You know. Yeah, well, no. Im sure you sleep the sure you could sleep on the couch came that much. Couch if you came that much. Someone would want at least someone would want to live in my house. That you have that. Let just tell you, gary let me just tell you, gary lineker, put someone for two lineker, put up someone for two weeks got estate, weeks and he got a huge estate, and it was in the back garden. He did it for two weeks, but just i did this garden in the back this ridiculous back garden, this ridiculous idea that people who work in Sport Entertainment the sport or entertainment or the bbc should impartial, like, bbc should be impartial, like, you someone who the you know, someone who hosts the 1 00 should its nonsense. You know, michael portillo, a former ian did former tory politician, ian did bbc for years. Bbc documentaries for years. No one him when one ever criticised him when carol tubthumping Carol Vorderman was tubthumping for no for the tories. No one criticised her. These are attacks benjamin. These are attacks on left from who want on the left from people who want to control the narrative, pay his like lets not forget his salary like lets not forget that not just a bloke that this is not just a bloke whos on private television. Were here. Were a free country here. We for him to spout this we pay for him to spout this nonsense at i dont want to nonsense at us. I dont want to hear want to pay for hear it. I dont want to pay for his salary. Can you take my. My tv licence . Ive got alex, ive got a revolutionary concept for you. Called freedom of its called freedom of speech. I think speech. And i think that entertainment Sports Entertainment and Sports Reporters but reporters should have that. But theyve the bbc. Theyve done with the bbc. Supposed to be theyre supposed to be impartial. Benjamin benjamins just Perfect Point for just made a Perfect Point for defunding we defunding the bbc, because if we get licence fee, gary get rid of the licence fee, gary lineker is entitled to say whatever he wants, as i am on this very channel, dont think this very channel, i dont think we rid of the licence fee. The one place i do agree with you, benjamin, is that i do think the bbc is genuinely a National Tragedy of this country. Dont think country. I dont think if we were creating the country now we would fee. Its would have a licence fee. Its not to generate not a perfect way to generate revenue for the bbc, but cant revenue for the bbc, but i cant see any way that it can see any other way that it can function without the licence fee and want to lose the and i dont want to lose the bbc. Its losing viewers. Its lost this month. Lost 1 million this month. The bbc is losing five. Ill be in benjamin say the bbcs a national treasure. So is gb news National Tragedy and gb news is where its at. Thanks very much, though. To our guest very much, though. To our guest tonight, Alex Armstrong and lizzie cundy. Trish says lizzie speaks sense, benjamin talks rubbish. Yeah who could argue with that . What a way to end it. What a way to end it. Now, next up, its the brilliant leo kerr standing in for mark dolan. See you next week. Week. Good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been quite a wet, windy and unsettled day across the uk and thats been due to storm anthony thats going to move away to the south east though, as we go through this evening to allow for some lighter winds to move in from the west. But we could still see a bit more in the way of cloud rain and some thunderstorms clinging south east for clinging into the south east for a also blustery a while. Also some blustery conditions here. Elsewhere, things are drying up, though. We could some showers for could still see some showers for western coasts and there will be some clear spells around. So in rural areas , temperatures might rural areas, temperatures might just drop into the single figures. This will mean itll be a generally brighter drier and calmer start to the second half of the weekend. Though still some blustery conditions. Cloud some blustery conditions. Cloud and rain across east anglia at first cloud and showers soon bubbung first cloud and showers soon bubbling up. Elsewhere and they could be heavy across scotland, Northern England and a chance of a thunderstorm for northern ireland, but generally feeling much more pleasant with those temperatures just creeping into the the south. After the low 20s in the south. 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