Off. And where its going to be hitting of this storm hitting the impact of this storm hitting the impact of this storm hitting today is likely to be greater than had the same sort of happened later in the of thing happened later in the year. Yeah two French Police officers have been injured in clashes with migrant a near calais. Around 60 people threw rocks and other missiles as officers tried to stop people smugglers launching a small boat. The officers retreated in hospital for non life threatening injuries. Gb news can reveal that 15,100 migrants have crossed the English Channel in small boats since the start of the year. Thats down more than 2500 on the same period last year. 2500 on the same period last year. Prosecutors in the us have year. Prosecutors in the us have asked a judge to limit what donald trump can say publicly about a criminal case against him. They warned that mr trump him. They warned that mr trump may be seeking to use evidence to target witnesses after he posted a message to social media that said, if you go after me, im coming after you. Well, speaking at a republican event in alabama, the former us president described the allegations as fake and said he was being targeted for political reasons. Every time they file an indictment, we go way up in the polls. We need one more indictment to close out this election , one more indictment, election, one more indictment, and this election is closed out. Nobody has even a chance. Park nobody has even a chance. Park barnes, former Prime Minister imran khans party is calling for peaceful protests after a Court Sentenced him to three years in prison for illegally selling state gifts. Khan was convicted of misusing his 2018 to 2022 premiership to buy and sell items in state possession worth more than 140 million. Pakistan rupees. The city of lahore is preparing for unrest following the verdict. His lawyers are filing a petition against the decision in high court. Mr khan has always denied any wrongdoing. Englands childrens commissioner says a shortage of Foster Carers will get worse without more investment. Dame without more investment. Dame rachel de souza says nearly three quarters of people who complete a fostering form do not go on to look after children. She warns bureaucracy may be a problem and is urging the government to make it easier to become a foster carer. Well, last year a review called for £26 billion of new spending on £2. 6 billion of new spending on childrens social care over four years. The government says funding is not falling short at ukraine. An intelligence source has claimed responsibility after a russian tanker was damaged in a russian tanker was damaged in a drone attack. Russian media reports that the vessel was targeted as it approached the kerch strait. Thats quite near the strategic bridge that links russia with occupied crimea. The attack comes after ukrainian ports were pummelled by russian drone strikes for which kyiv had threatened to retaliate. But threatened to retaliate. But amazon is experiencing a second day of strikes as workers walk out at its Fulfilment Centre in staffordshire over pay. Staffordshire over pay. Meanwhile, another two day walkout is taking place at the companys warehouse in coventry. The gmb union says this represents its the biggest day of industrial disruption action in the text firms history. The union says more than 1000 people are taking part for the sarah rodman is gms regional organiser. She told us what they want. Theyve all had enough. They cant carry on living in the staining on the wages that they are at the moment. They want better pay. Its as simple as that. Theyre not asking for the millions. Theyre asking for a living wage. A Sustainable Living wage. Thousands of trees are to be planted to mark the kings coronation. Earlier this year, the £25 Million Initiative funded by the government celebrates King Charless passion for nature. The government says it will help to meet its targets to treble Tree Planting rates by the next election. But Campaign Group election. But Campaign Group friends of the earth says its only a fraction of what ministers need to do to meet those targets. This is gb news those targets. This is gb news across the uk and tv in your car , on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now, though, its back to darren. Darren. On want to start off by talking to you about our friends on the so called liberal left. So called liberal left. The cant help but be overly enthusiastic can they. Their enthusiastic can they. Their dedication is such that they often miss the mark. Startling now are usually easygoing. British public. We all stand unhedin british public. We all stand united in agreement. For example , that racism is unacceptable. , that racism is unacceptable. Full stop. However lets also agree that important americas deeply entrenched issues to our shores in the guise of the black lives matter movement. It is not lives matter movement. It is not only unnecessary , but also only unnecessary, but also divides us because were different and dont wish to import divides from america that have never existed here. Similarly, we all cherish our green and pleasant land here in britain. We want our rivers to run, clean our air to be pure, and our trees stand and tall, dont we. 7 but and our trees stand and tall, dont we . But does that mean we need to turn our lives upside down for an environmental cause is steered by a zealous greta inspired cult . Do we need to sacrifice our cars . Our humble yearly holiday, or the joy of a steak dinner in our country . We steak dinner in our country . We contributing a mere 1 of global co2. Contributing a mere 1 of global c02. Something just doesnt add c02. Something just doesnt add up for me here. And lets talk about personal freedom. Do you about personal freedom. Do you want to dress in feathers and call yourself lord gobbledegook . You go right ahead. Its your right in a country like ours , right in a country like ours, sleep with any consenting adult that will have you live your life in peace and security , but life in peace and security, but dont encroach on the rights of others. Theres a line and its crossed. When were jeopardise womens safe spaces , meddle with womens safe spaces, meddle with sports and risk our childrens understanding of their own identity. All under the banner of a new age, gender ideology. Costa coffee. Im very much looking at you when your question, bill mural choice choices and on a more sombre note, who among us doesnt want our loved ones to depart this world with dignity and peace . But look across the atlantic and our canadian cousins have shown us the dangers of a hasty implementation of assisted dying. The pandemic. Prince and king of whakaari and walkeri Justin Trudeau , well, hes Justin Trudeau, well, hes inadvertently sounded an alarm bell to the western world. Canadas liberal government introduced the assistance in dying or mid in 2016. Now this mid or made isnt it your friendly housemaid but more akin to a grim reaper for those suffering from Severe Mental Health issues . You see, i say Health Issues . You see, i say that actually this makes clear we must tread carefully as our mps gather evidence from around the world to assess the impact of assisted suicide. And we of assisted suicide. And we should remember our recent mantra protect the nhs. Do you remember that one . But how far might that idea be stretched . How many might be coerced or simply convinced to end their lives prematurely in order to ease the strain on the nhs . To avoid becoming a burden to their families or to escape the torment of Mental Health issues . Canadian voice is like lisa paolis , a woman in her 40s, by paolis, a woman in her 40s, by the way, whos battled anorexia since she was eight years old. While shes been demanding the right to assisted suicide in canada and i fear that there are parallels here to the trans debate where childrens desires for irreversible medical procedures are hastily affirmed. Could we see a similar rush to validate requests for suicide due to Mental Health diagnoses here at home . A Canadian Army veteran who competed in the paralympics in 20 1618 told a Government Committee that she was offered euthanasia when she asked for a stairlift to be installed in her home. Now our veterans already receive worse access to housing than Illegal Migrants arriving here. How many may be offered a needle over a waiting list for necessities . We waiting list for necessities . We have to ask ourselves what might be the implications for the vulnerable among us. You know, my mother, during the pandemic held my auntie sharons hand as she passed away from sepsis dunng she passed away from sepsis during the first lockdown. Now her death was a painful reminder of the shortfalls in our social care system, but had assisted suicide been an option . Could suicide been an option . Could sharon, who had spina bifida and was have been pressured into choosing an early exit to alleviate perceived burdens upon the state . Imagine this and think seriously. You need social care. You need housing, and youre stuck on a waiting list and suddenly assisted suicide becomes an option. Youre becomes an option. Youre struggling financially due to a cost of living crisis. Well mate, have you considered assisted suicide and youre trapped in the claws of addiction . Life is spiralling addiction . Life is spiralling out of control. Assisted suicide becomes a disturbingly easy solution in 2021, over 10,000 people ended their lives by assisted suicide and euthanasia. In canada, an increase of over 32 from the previous year. Thats accounting for 3. 3 of all deaths in canada. This is real, and this is here in the west. I dont know about you, but i dont trust the system to get this right. Not by a long shot, ill tell you that. For free. I fear that were in too close to a dystopian reality where a doctor shipman esque death by doctor on demand becomes normalised. And lets becomes normalised. And lets remember that a life, any life is worth far more than two signatures and a depressed syringe that assisted dying requires under the canadian law, our most vulnerable. It might our most vulnerable. It might seem like Financial Burdens to penny pinch and bureaucrat s, but they are much more than that to me. And i imagine you they are cherished human beings who deserve our protection and support. And this is all despite support. And this is all despite the Canadian Supreme Court ruling that fears of a slippery slope in a homicide were unfounded. And now i cant help unfounded. And now i cant help but look at Justin Trudeaus so called old liberal agenda. So called old liberal agenda. And worry is this this is it. The future that we want for our country. I think its time to country. I think its time to hit the brakes on this conversation. Britain, we must conversation. Britain, we must consider where this path will ultimately lead. And if you ask me, theres precious little that we ought to be following. Justin we ought to be following. Justin trudeau in doing. Trudeau in doing. Joining me tonight in the studio is the legendary futurist and lawyer , legendary futurist and lawyer, andrew eborn. Andrew you listen to me wittering on there. What to me wittering on there. What do you think . Do you agree . Are you sceptical of the arguments that are made about assisted dying or do you think actually its compassion , innit . And all its compassion, innit . And all of those other arguments that come with being in favour of it . What i 7 what i love 7 what i love about this show is we always shine more light and heat on subject. And less heat on the subject. And people these , and when people discuss these, they the extremes. They always go to the extremes. They say the they always say this is the worst Case Scenario where youve got the vulnerable as got to protect the vulnerable as opposed of choice. Opposed to freedom of choice. The law at the moment is very simple. In section two of the suicide 1961, its a suicide act 1961, its a criminal offence to assist or encourage somebody to kill themselves, and its punishable by p themselves, and its punishable by up to 14 years in prison. You have to balance that with article eight about freedom from about and rights and about privacy and rights and respect and so on and so forth. What we also need to look at is people will mainly understand it. In that it. When youre in that situation, if youve got situation, even if youve got somebody who is really genuinely situation, even if youve got sorandidy who is really genuinely situation, even if youve got sorand the nho is really genuinely situation, even if youve got sorand the bests really genuinely situation, even if youve got sorand the best thingly genuinely situation, even if youve got sorand the best thing youenuinely situation, even if youve got sorand the best thing you can1ely ill and the best thing you can do is to release themselves. The question is youve got a right to life. Do you have a right to death . And i think its looking at those sort of safeguards. If you that make you like, to make that make sense. The arguments, both sense. So the arguments, both sides quote both sides absolutely quote both extremes. But there is that middle and think in middle ground. And i think in order have a sensible debate, order to have a sensible debate, you those who are you have to have those who are directly affected. People often quote example animal. Quote the example of an animal. If is in distress, you if an animal is in distress, you would want it down. Now, would want to put it down. Now, that sounds very dramatic and quite on and so quite inhumane and so on and so forth. If youre looking at forth. But if youre looking at a life, you need to make a human life, you need to make sure that people that sure that people make that element choice. But youve element of choice. But youve also the line, if you like, also got the line, if you like, about stop assistance, about when you stop assistance, because counting because whats counting as suicide, withdraw medical suicide, if you withdraw medical treatment. That treatment. So you work on that sort of principle where does that drawn accordingly . That line get drawn accordingly . Absolutely that line get drawn accordingly . Absoluteimean, if we look at the but i mean, if we look at the canadian examples i gave canadian examples that i gave there, youve got there, you know, youve got a veteran who was offered a paralympian was offered paralympian who was offered actually her life instead paralympian who was offered acwaity her life instead paralympian who was offered acwait for her life instead paralympian who was offered acwait for a her life instead paralympian who was offered acwait for a stairlift. Fe instead paralympian who was offered acwait for a stairlift. Ie instead paralympian who was offered acwait for a stairlift. I mean ad of wait for a stairlift. I mean , poorly here. There as well. 40 i believe she was 47 years old. Andrew 47 years old. And she has anorexia. She has suffered from anorexia. She has suffered from anorexia nervosa all her life. Anorexia nervosa all her life. Now that is, i dont doubt a completely debilitating condition to actually have and suffer from for that long a time. But we cant be saying to people that the only way out of a condition like anorexia is to end your life. End your life. Both of those examples are disgusting. But do you worry it could happen here . You know, the nhs isnt exactly in a good state, isnt exactly in a good state, is it . No. And you made some great points in your brilliant opening. You sort of turned it over. Thank you. Here all week. Well, you called me legendary, ive you called me legendary, so ive got Say Something nice about got to Say Something nice about you as well. The principle is this worried this people would be worried about be worried about finance. Theyd be worried about finance. Theyd be worried about being burden their about being a burden on their family. If somebody was said, i dont a stairlift in, we can dont put a stairlift in, we can get you straight away. Get rid of you straight away. Now, your if now, thats your choice. If those were true examples, then that appalling. You that would be appalling. And you need to look at that situation. What youre talking about is safeguards. So if you recognise somebody has a right to life and they a right choose they have a right to choose that, to themselves that, what happens to themselves at end their and at the end of their life and they want speed up that they want to speed up that process, have make process, then you have to make sure there are appropriate safeguards in place so you dont take extreme examples. Take those extreme examples. I think need to think thats where you need to look it. And to be fair, the look at it. And to be fair, the canadians, set out the canadians, they set out the different and youve different examples and youve got work out and its still got to work out and its still an and weve an ongoing feast. And weve had an ongoing feast. And weve had a number attempts in the uk a number of attempts in the uk to it to balance the to do it to balance the requirements of article eight with with the with what weve got with the suicide you to suicide act. And you need to work make sure that those work out, make sure that those who potentially affected can who are potentially affected can have that discussion. What would who are potentially affected can have thatto scussion. What would who are potentially affected can have thatto do . Sion. What would you want to do . Tell you what, you well, i tell you what, you know, i am deeply sceptical because of what happened during those of lockdowns those years of the lockdowns and all it, because the all the rest of it, because the mantra protect the nhs became mantra of protect the nhs became and is the uks only and the nhs is the uks only religion. Days. Much as religion. These days. As much as it me, but honestly it saddens me, but honestly i just cannot way in which just cannot see any way in which actually this isnt abused. And thats what feel deeply thats what i feel deeply concerned well come concerned about. But well come back later on in the back to this later on in the show. Thank you, andrew eborn there. Folks , coming up, there. Now, folks, coming up, im be by the im going to be joined by the editor of spiked magazine, tom slater, why the slater, to talk about why the green hate cars. Dont go welcome back to neil oliver live with me, Darren Grimes, cheers very much for your company. Now joining me, first of all, this evening is the editor of spiked magazine , tom slater, who magazine, tom slater, who recently wrote an article titled why they hate cars. Now, tom says the green elites have no idea how most people live. I idea how most people live. I mean, tom, lets start off by asking that simple question. I mean, how many of us are actually using our cars over pubuc actually using our cars over public transport . Its a shocking number, isnt it . Shocking number, isnt it . It is. And this is one thing that never figures in the debate, darren, is it . So according to official government statistics, in the last year that we have numbers for 2021, it was 88 of all passenger kilometres travelled in the uk were in a car that could be a personal car, that could be a taxi. And yet you would think that vast numbers of people were cycling, were taking public transport. But i think so much of this is a reflection as in so many other issues that the people who make decisions, the people who make decisions, the people who make decisions, the people who write about policy in this are quite unusual. This country are quite unusual. And all live in one area, and they all live in one area, namely london, which does have pretty public transport, pretty good public transport, though better and is pretty good public transport, thcoutlier better and is pretty good public transport, thcoutlier even better and is pretty good public transport, thcoutlier even amongst and is pretty good public transport, thcoutlier even amongst many s an outlier even amongst many engush an outlier even amongst many english of english cities in terms of people relying more to a greater extent on public transport than cars. And i think thats one thing that which just colours the debate this the entire debate is that this agitation with cars, this disregard peoples concerns disregard of peoples concerns about low traffic about ulez or low traffic neighbourhoods or anything else is because doesnt affect the is because it doesnt affect the people who are introducing these policies it doesnt affect policies and it doesnt affect the are cheerleading the people who are cheerleading for if they for them. And i think if they just got out of their bubble, they would start to realise why people these people were so upset by these things. Mean, speaking of things. Yeah i mean, speaking of that then, sadiq khan that bubble then, sadiq khan says not prepared step says hes not prepared to step back, water down ulez, back, delay or water down ulez, which says is going to save which he says is going to save lives and protect childrens lungs. You lungs. you you know, very, very strong rhetoric when we look rhetoric there. But when we look at air pollution, though, over the years, the the last 50 years, the trajectory has actually been going down, down, down, down without drivers being coerced into. Weve got a graph there for our radio listeners down without drivers actually being coerced into paying what is it, 1250 every time. The goal for spin, i mean, tom, what do you think ultimately actually explains the motives behind this . Do you actually believe that its purely air pollution . That its purely air pollution . I dont think its purely to down air pollution for the reasons that you suggest. This is not a burgeoning Public Health issue in the way that sadiq likes to pretend it sadiq khan likes to pretend it is. I think the probably the more generous argument that is. I think the probably the more khanous argument that is. I think the probably the more khan is; argument that is. I think the probably the more khan is vermeent that is. I think the probably the more khan is very wrapped that is. I think the probably the more khan is very wrapped upt is. I think the probably the more khan is very wrapped up in sadiq khan is very wrapped up in any of moral crusade going. Any kind of moral crusade going. He green issue. He he likes the green issue. He likes anything that he can really signal on, and really virtue signal on, and thats it. The other thats one part of it. The other part it, which dont mean part of it, which i dont mean to too cynical when i say to sound too cynical when i say this, is its a pretty good this, is that its a pretty good money raiser. If youre charging people day. And people £12. 50 a day. And of course, not just course, were not just talking about who in london about people who live in london as and this is one of the as well. And this is one of the big with expanding ulez big problems with expanding ulez to london to the outer suburban london boroughs lot of boroughs is theres a lot of people who drive in and out of Greater London every single day without necessarily without even necessarily thinking about it. So thats a very pool people, very wide pool of people, including people who wont be have access to these have any access to these scrappage and on. Scrappage schemes and so on. So i think its combination of a i think its a combination of a combination both. Darren, combination of both. Darren, there a lot political there is a lot of political caphal there is a lot of political capital, left capital, particularly for left of to just of centre politicians, to just jump of centre politicians, to just jump in with both feet on the green whatever jump in with both feet on the green they whatever jump in with both feet on the green they it hatever jump in with both feet on the green they it as ever jump in with both feet on the green they it as aler jump in with both feet on the green they it as a road to reason. They see it as a road to virtue, even if it ends up punishing working class people as a consequence. But the flip side the fact that its side of it is the fact that its a pretty good earner for the london mayoralty when london mayoralty at a time when they do that money. They do need that money. That point, then results on that point, then results that we quite recently, that we saw quite recently, actually with the uxbridge and south by election you South Ruislip by election do you think is to think actually this is going to be actually be repeated, tom, where actually politicians policies politicians push and policies that will ultimately voters that will ultimately make voters potentially is potentially called and poorer is going them punished at going to see them punished at the box . Whereas the ballot box . Whereas actually, the narrative actually, i think the narrative thus been that you know, thus far has been that you know, go green and hug a husky is very much a vote winner narrative. Much a vote winner narrative. Find that so and i find that so ridiculous. You know, i mean, if you ask people in the abstract, are they in favour of cycling or walking or are they in favour of net zero . They say, yeah, that sounds like a nice but as sounds like a nice idea, but as soon you ask them, would you soon as you ask them, would you want to give up your car . Or as soon as you ask them, are you willing give, know, pare willing to give, you know, pare back lifestyle or pay more back your lifestyle or pay more for this . They all understandably say no. People dont make dont expect politicians to make their or more their lives harder or more expensive. The expensive. Its quite the opposite. Think are opposite. And i think we are going to see electoral going to start to see electoral effects this, or its effects of this, or even if its not electoral, it will express itself in other ways. I mean, we saw this not just in france with the gelasian or what were seeing netherlands seeing in the netherlands with the country the farmers, but in this country in with the fuel in in 2000 with the fuel protests, had pauline and protests, we had pauline and farmers refinery and farmers blockade refinery and depots the country to an depots bring the country to an absolute standstill of absolute standstill because of the the new labour the fact that the new Labour Government wouldnt cut fuel duty time prices were duty at time when prices were very high. Ever since, very high. And ever since, governments been petrified very high. And ever since, go raising nts been petrified very high. And ever since, go raising fuel been petrified very high. And ever since, go raising fuel duty een petrified very high. And ever since, go raising fuel duty asn petrified of raising fuel duty as a consequence. So, you know, these politicians convinced politicians who are convinced that are really that these policies are really popular, are convinced that popular, who are convinced that people as you people will put up with, as you say, being poorer or colder, theyre rude theyre going to get a rude awakening way or the other. Awakening one way or the other. And its at the ballot and if its not at the ballot box, i think it could easily be in more direct form in some other more direct form of action. Yeah. Tom, just finally then, its is it . We its not just london, is it . We talk lot about london in this talk a lot about london in this debate, but actually these clean air are popping up in air zones are popping up in places newcastle, places like newcastle, for example, a slight example, to ive got a slight bias there and a sort of interest to declare, but we cant exclusively blame labour just ulez just for this particular ulez scheme these scheme when actually these schemes are popping up all around country with around the country with different authorities to. I think thats exactly right. A london based. This isnt just a london based discussion, least so discussion, not least because so much thats out here much thats rolled out here suddenly gets rolled out across the country so and as the country as well. So and as you both parties have you say, also, both parties have a to in this. It was a role to play in this. It was only last week that central government, he tory government, he the tory government, he the tory government, said were no government, said that were no longer fund traffic longer going to fund low traffic neighbourhoods and schemes like that, which involve road closures and pushing people off the roads so on. So the the roads and so on. So the problem this one of those problem is this is one of those issues where the entire political think its a Political Class think its a great havent thought great idea. They havent thought it they have it through because they have theyre off from ordinary theyre so cut off from ordinary people. The idea people. They dont get the idea that is not going be that this is not going to be popular its not going to popular and its not going to work. As saying with work. But as were saying with the uxbridge byelection, with these really finally these policies really finally starting theyre starting to bite, now theyre going woken that going to be woken up from that illusion soon, i think. Illusion pretty soon, i think. Slater, i hope with well, tom slater, i hope with all of my heart that you are absolutely right. And ive no doubt youll be chronicling it within of spiked within the pages of spiked online. Thank you much , online. So thank you very much, tom slater, joining me. Now, tom slater, forjoining me. Now, folks, joining me to discuss how theyve been personally impacted by mayor khans ulez expansion is Rajinder Singh and preet kah now, thank you very much for your time. How has it personally impacted your family. My family, first thing. Hello to you. My family is affected to you. My family is affected because i depend on pensioners. Because i depend on pensioners. Pension fund only visit school, helping them exercise. I do volunteer work 4 to 5 days for nothing only i depend on pensions. Our car is so old. How pensions. Our car is so old. How can i reach with the equivalent with the things i carry on my cycle or walking on london transport, which is not. It is actually a narrative, isnt it, that actually londoners arent really out and using their cars . That actually all londoners, you know, are hopping in and out of public transport, whether that be the underground or dlr or buses , for underground or dlr or buses, for example, because there are much better transport links in london than there are in other parts of the country. But actually a hell of a lot of londoners are still using cars such as yourself. Well , because we use using cars such as yourself. Well, because we use this car for the going to schools, teaching children how to do the hula hoop and skipping. So we cant really carry out equipments on the on the buses or on the trains. And our cars really old, which is about 23 years old. And thats to going go into scrapping scheme now. And theyre us £2,000. And theyre giving us £2,000. Thats going to help me to buy a new car, you see. So theres nothing wrong with my car, so why i have to pay a lot why should i have to pay a lot more money to buy new car and more money to buy a new car and scrap old car . Scrap my old car . Do you think theres an argument here for saying naff off because actually off sadiq khan . Because actually you quite like to keep you would quite like to keep your and you dont want to your car and you dont want to be told by the mayor london be told by the mayor of london that got to get be told by the mayor of london tha of got to get be told by the mayor of london tha of your got to get be told by the mayor of london tha of your car got to get be told by the mayor of london tha of your car in got to get be told by the mayor of london tha of your car in to got to get be told by the mayor of london tha of your car in to order get rid of your car in to order avoid being whacked with a £12, 50 tax essentially. 50 tax essentially. Yeah, i agree with you. Yes we need to we should be able to keep our car is still running a very good running old, a very, very good running old, a very, very its very, very liable. Now we have to get rid of it because of the mayor of london saying we have to accept being an old car. But how how are we going to afford to buy a new one, which we do need a car without a car, we do need a car without a car, we can manage going to schools. Yeah. I mean, just to play devils advocate, you know, sadiq khan, were he sat here right now , which not sure he right now, which im not sure he would a hurry, but where he would in a hurry, but where he sat here right now, imagine sat here right now, i imagine hed look, about hed say, look, this is about saving the lungs of londons children. Clean air. Children. Clean air. I mean, do you buy that argument . Are you sort of persuaded by that argument, which i understand that. But youre not thinking about the People Like Us that we cant afford to buy another car. Car price is so high at the moment. You just impossible to buy a car and thats taking away our independence, which we enjoy doing. How are we going to carry on doing the what were doing at the moment without the car . Yeah, cant buy £2,000. Yeah, we cant buy £2,000. Yeah , its a lot of money yeah, its a lot of money that people are being asked to part with. It really, really is. And i think actually you you guys giving us a real life example of just how much people are being hit in the pocket and actually how many londoners are really , really worried about really, really worried about this. So Rajinder Singh and alka, i thank you very much for your time , um, today. Now andrew your time, um, today. Now andrew eborn, i want to know what you think about this. I think its very simple and whats great about this channel is you get real people on and say, how it impact real say, how does it impact real britain . Is. Real britain . It is. It is real britain . It is. It is real britain thats a show title. There somewhere. What i found extraordinary 645,000,000,000 billion kilometres which is what we travelled according to government statistics , 88 done government statistics, 88 done by cars, vans and taxis. What the statistics actually say this is a tax on the poor. When you turn around and look at that sort of stuff, who already suffering with inflation, with mortgage going through the roof and so on and so forth, unable to insulate roof because of to insulate that roof because of costs that as costs involved with that as well. We need do, well. So what we need to do, uxbndge well. So what we need to do, uxbridge has already shown that the party, snatched the labour party, they snatched defeat of victory defeat from the jaws of victory as a result of it. Very true. And whats going to happen, its going conservatives going to give the conservatives this out there this is why rishi is out there saying, hurrah in a way. Lets embrace just start hes embrace just start oil. Hes going say, you work on that going to say, you work on that sort of principle because its going around and real going to turn around and real people going we people are going to say, we cant do and its not just cant do this and its not just the motorists, its the impact as the shops, the as well on the shops, on the restaurants on and so restaurants and so on and so forth. We see more and more forth. And we see more and more people in the high street disappearing. Youve got wilko, the news them the tragic news about them and so about that. So on and so forth about that. Absolutely. Love wilko, absolutely. We love wilko, of course love big up north. But i mean, how how much do you think actually rishi sunak is he doing enough to actually fight back against . Its an interesting well, its an interesting narrative is i narrative and this is why i think its not just about the clean the science think its not just about the cleand the science think its not just about the cleand therell the science think its not just about the cleand therell be the science think its not just about the cleand therell be debatesance is. And therell be debates about sort side. It is a about that sort of side. It is a tax on the yes you work on tax on the poor. Yes you work on that sort of basis. Its rather like parking fines. Certain people money so they people need the money so they can services. So can pay for other services. So what need to do is listen to what you need to do is listen to the real people. Will you turn around and talk the real around and talk about the real impact its right impact it its all right talking about lets extend the scrappage value £2,000. Theyve just value to £2,000. Theyve just done. Ameliorate it . Done. Does that ameliorate it . Well, they well, not really be because they still. 88 of still need their car. 88 of travel by car. So if you travel is by car. So if you dont have a car, what are you going to do exactly . And you work on that sort of premise. So i the reality is that i think the reality is that lets talk to the real people. It needs to be revisited. I dont know anybody that ive heard it publicly heard speak about it publicly who genuinely ulez who genuinely believes ulez is a goodidea who genuinely believes ulez is a good idea the reasons cited. Good idea for the reasons cited. And narrative, you and then the narrative, you know, with the net zero know, again, with the net zero debate and then we come to the ulez that khan ulez arguments that sadiq khan makes actually the doesnt makes actually, the data doesnt back up what hes saying, which is that london is getting far, far worse. That actually were all breathing toxic. Its breathing in toxic. Its a wonder i made it into the studio from up there in the north east because actually londons air is so , according to mr so toxic, according to mr and its extraordinary because weve all become experts, weve all experts, havent we . Weve all become weve all become scientists, weve all become scientists, weve all become were all become virologists. Were all experts on the constitution. The reality we dont know. All reality is we dont know. So all we we peddle the we do is we peddle the soundees. We do is we peddle the soundbites. Its edward soundbites. And its edward bernays, of pr, who bernays, the father of pr, who says best way to sell says the best way to sell anything is through feah well sadiq khans doing a very good job that. Job at that. Andrew. Well be shortly andrew. Well be back shortly. More still to come, folks, after break. But first up, after the break. But first up, heres weather. Heres the weather. Looks like things are heating up. Bob looks like things are heating up. Bob boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Good evening. My name is good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been quite a wet, windy and unsettled day across the uk and thats been due to storm. Anthony thats going to move away to the south east though, as we go through this evening to allow for some lighter winds to move in from the west. But we could still see a bit more in the way of cloud rain and some thunderstorms clinging into the south east while. Also south east for a while. Also some conditions here. Some blustery conditions here. Elsewhere, things drying up, though. We could still see some showers western coasts and showers for western coasts and there will be some clear spells around. In rural areas, around. So in rural areas, temperatures might just drop into the single figures. This will mean itll be a generally brighter, drier and calmer start to the second half of the weekend. Those still some blustery conditions. Cloud and rain across east anglia. At first cloud and showers. So bubbung first cloud and showers. So bubbling up elsewhere and they could be heavy across scotland. Northern england and a chance of a thunderstorm for northern ireland. But generally feeling much more pleasant with those temperatures just creeping into the low in the south after the low 20s in the south after another chilly night, the low 20s in the south after another chilly night , though, on another chilly night, though, on sunday, it will a bright sunday, it will be a bright start to the new week with plenty of sunshine around some showers soon starting to bubble up, but these will be less frequent and lighter in nature than what were expecting for sunday. But as we look towards midweek, it does look like things will settle down and become a bit drier with those temperatures rise to temperatures on the rise to looks like things are heating up, boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Of weather on. Gb news. Hey , wheres that global hey, wheres that global boiling stuff that keep telling were about. But anyway folks after the break, were going to be turning to something a little bit different this week. We heard story of the retired heard the story of the retired british miner, 76 year old david hunter, who suffocated his terminally ill wife in cyprus after she begged him to. He was released after spending nearly two years behind bars and were going to be asking if the euthanasia really ever is ethically correct. Dont go away well come back to neil oliver live with me, Darren Grimes. Now my next guest is dr. Trevor stammers, whos a University Lecturer in medical ethics and a former gp for over 30 years, dr. Stammers joins me now to discuss the ethics of euthanasia. Dr. The ethics of euthanasia. Dr. Stammers, thank you very much for your time. Now, as you know, our parliament is exploring its opfions our parliament is exploring its options when it comes to end of life care right now. I wonder , life care right now. I wonder, have you made a submission into the inquiry. Have you made a submission into the inquiry. Have we got dr. Stammers . We cant hear dr. Stammers. Were going to try and get dr. Stammers back and drew, if i can turn to you whilst we try and sort out those tech issues with dr. Stammers, pesky Little Things that they are , Little Things that they are, would you ever if parliament to say, look , were going to go say, look, were going to go full steam ahead, were going to copy canada, its all going to be fine in and would you be worried about the fact that the Canadian Supreme Court once said, actually, we were totally fine of this and now , fine with all of this and now, you know, things have gone slightly awry . Slightly awry . I think what i love about this well is the stuff this show as well is the stuff we discuss in break when you we discuss in the break when you and actually on the same and i are actually on the same ground on this. We talk about playing devils advocate. There are situations of are extreme situations in all of it. To make sure there it. You need to make sure there are safeguards that the are safeguards so that the craziness where somebody has a bad they feel i bad day and they feel like i just cant cope today, euthanasia option. That euthanasia is an option. That would wrong. You need make would be wrong. You need to make sure thing where sure or the other thing where somebody got relatives somebody has got some relatives who cant afford health who just cant afford health care they encourage care anymore and they encourage age elderly relative to say age an elderly relative to say actually theres way actually, theres an easy way out be doing a favour out and youll be doing a favour for all that both of those for all of us that both of those situations are theres a situations are wrong. Theres a middle ground real people middle ground with real people involved. Talk real involved. And we talk about real people. And no doubt youve got the back. Absolutely. The doctor back. Absolutely. Going dr. Stammers, im going to bnng dr. Stammers, im going to bring now. I think you bring you in now. I think you can me. Those tech gremlins can hear me. Those tech gremlins are sam, as are gone now, doctor sam, as youve what weve just youve heard what weve just said there, do you agree with those sentiments . Are you concerned uk concerned about the uk potentially in canadas potentially moving in canadas direction . Yes, i am very much so. And i think this deeply disturbing case, as andrew was indicating, resulted in part because i understand and that mr andrew and his wife had to sell their villa in order to try and get medical care for her cancer. This wasnt something that had occurred overnight at and the lack of access to proper medical care of all kinds, and particularly Palliative Care is a prime reason why i think many people will, in theory, think that euthanasia is a good idea. That euthanasia is a good idea. I certainly witnessed several of my own relatives in great pain on hospital wards and needed to do something about that and did. And so i understand the motivation for it. But i think that once you start training doctors to kill patients, even at their own request, doctors to kill patients, even at their own request , that it is at their own request, that it is very difficult to stop it. And every jurisdiction in the world thatis every jurisdiction in the world that is introduced , it has that is introduced, it has started off with a limited law for people with six months to live, what have you , and its live, what have you, and its always expanded then to those with chronic disability because once you accept the fact that if people are suffering , doctors people are suffering, doctors are allowed to kill them for that suffering, how can you say that . Say the suffering of somebody with severe depression is not permitted and not akin to the pain of an advanced cancer . Absolutely and thats whats taking place with our canadian cousins. Thats the debate thats going on there right now. But many of my viewers may be of the view, some of them, at least, my viewers may be of the view, some of them, at least , that some of them, at least, that actually, if were their partner in a state of pain like that and suffering , frankly, and suffering, frankly, and actually, as youve just suggested, the nhs , you know, it suggested, the nhs, you know, it isnt exactly at its best, as we all know right now. Do you ever all know right now. Do you ever think theres an argument for someone to be able to ease their suffering . They might perhaps put it like that and that actually the criminalisation of someone seeking to do good for their partner is quite a cruel thing to bring about in the first place. If theres any medical system that leaves a woman like mrs. Hunter in such an advanced state of her, her cancer without pain control, that drove her husband to, i understand from some press reports to strangle her with with, you know, his bare hands , with, you know, his bare hands, that that is a tragedy and that ought not to have allowed to be happen. And i dont know how the situation escalated to that point, but i think to say that for those and obviously that is an extreme case and an unusual case to let that then open the doors to allow doctors to kill as i say, jurists , actions that as i say, jurists, actions that have done it. Then cant limit it. And im particularly concerned about whats happened in canada. There are last year there were 10,000 deaths in canada and in vancouver island, it was 7 of the deaths. So nearly 1 in 14 it was 7 of the deaths. So nearly in 14 was due to nearly 1 in 14 was due to euthanasia and next year theyre extending it to patients with psychiatric illness alone. And when somebody is extremely depressed , it um, and it depressed, it um, and it suggested to them that they , you suggested to them that they, you know, might have a euthanasia to as a solution to their problem. As a solution to their problem. Um, and that is a very, very serious matter. Serious matter. Its extraordinary. Its extraordinary. Its extraordinary. It absolutely is extraordinary. And i do think , extraordinary. And i do think, you know, given what weve just said about the nhs being on its knees at the moment and you know , love nor money being thrown at it doesnt appear to be making a difference. Its i actually worry that wed be told perhaps killing yourself essentially is going to be beneficial to protect the nhs. And thats what i really, really worry about, is thatis i really, really worry about, is that is that hyperbole . Is that rhetoric . You dont recognise . Where are you at on that . Its an irony, isnt it . And i think most people who request euthanize kasia or assisted dying are fearful of what may happen to them when they die. And as for that reason, i think that its the worst possible time when in the nhs is already under pressure to introduce the legalisation of assisted dying. I mean, its a well known maxim that, you know, doctors say sometimes that the cheapest pain patient is the patient who is dead and i cant see introduce using assisted suicide or euthanasia legislation often as a way of getting more money into the nhs , just as in canada , there are , just as in canada, there are papers that could point you to where the economists have done calculations to show how much canada is saving by these thousands of yeah , dr. Sam just thousands of yeah, dr. Sam just there because im going to im going to turn now to andrew eborn, who i think is perhaps dr. Sam and i are as one on this issue now. Do you have any sympathy whatsoever for the merit of the argument against that . Actually campaigners like assistance in dying and all the rest of it really powerful stories. I dont doubt that phenomenally powerful. And the fundamental medical ethics is do no harm. So i get it. And the conflict with doctors and so on and so forth, what the good doctor said is about the slippery slope. So the question is where on the slope do we do it . If youve got an extreme example where somebody is desperate theyve gone is desperate and theyve gone through safeguards and through all the safeguards and so so forth, are there so on and so forth, are there ever that might be ever cases where that might be appropriate to say, okay, we understand it is so extreme and youve gone through all the appropriate safeguards that we spoke its the spoke about. So its not the slippery all of it, slippery slope for all of it, but is those extreme but it is those extreme situations also the situations and its also the example gave earlier about example i gave earlier about when withdraw because when you withdraw care because somebody not somebody says, okay, do not resuscitate whatever, resuscitate or whatever, trying to out fine line to work out that fine line between that very delicate situation and assisted situation and also assisted dying. Dying. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Have we still got doctor stammers there . Yeah. Can we put stammers there . Yeah. Can we put that question to him where he would ever actually see a case like andrew perhaps does where actually this would be justifiable . Justifiable . Well, i think one of the problems is that sometimes in care , in terminal illness and my care, in terminal illness and my own father died of Prostate Cancer fairly recently and it was very, very difficult to he expressed a wish that he was not given any further treatment. And given any further treatment. And even with me, as a doctor, as his advocate, i could not stop him being put on a drip of antibiotics , sticks for a urine antibiotics, sticks for a urine infection a week before he died. And its that kind of meddlesome medicine of doctors not listening to patients pleas and their relatives pleas that they do not want any more intervention, that i think makes deaths more, more painful, intervention, that i think makes deaths more, more painful , full. Deaths more, more painful, full. And we need to get i think patients under standing much more of their rights about what they can and cannot have. And then we may have fewer of these desperate cases where people are dnven desperate cases where people are driven to do the kind of thing. David hunt. Absolutely. Dr. Trevor stammers there and andrew eborn before him, thank you very much for time. Now finally, for your time. Now finally, folks, after the break, were going to be chatting to psychic medium James Griffiths about the most haunted places in the country. Spooky stuff. Dont go country. Spooky stuff. Dont go away welcome back to neil oliver live. Im still Darren Grimes and youre still wonderful. Thank you for your company. Now my next guest was supposed to be the psychic medium, James Griffiths. But unfortunately theres been some spooky goings on with our connection there. So im going to turn to andrew eborn, who actually knows a thing or about the most thing or two about the most haunted crew. Remember show . I love remember that show . I love it. Spooky one. It. Absolutely spooky one. I also love is the well, i also love is the psychic due to unforeseen circumstances is not here. Exactly. Wonderful exactly. Perfect. Wonderful stuff. Thats brilliant. Friend of used to of mine, richard jones, used to be history fryston most be the history fryston on most haunted derek acorah. Haunted with with derek acorah. And he did, he and basically what he did, he would hooks, if would find out little hooks, if you these places that you like, for these places that they visited. And one of them was which was Chillingham Castle, which was Chillingham Castle, which was you know, was owned by, you know, Chillingham Castle is owned by Dominic Cummings law. Dominic cummings father in law. So apparently so glorious. And apparently thats most haunted thats one of the most haunted places the country. Theres places in the country. Theres also about henry the also great tales about henry the eighth the corridors eighth wandering the corridors of in, blenheim of power in, i think, Blenheim Palace or whatever it is, and they theyve got cctv they realised theyve got cctv footage of henry the eighth, but he couldnt get through the fire door apparently. And we always thought , well, thats door apparently. And we always thought, well, thats a bit strange. Hes supposed to just walk so walk through it, isnt he . So all those of stuff, its all of those sort of stuff, its very interesting. I think from ofcom view, they always ofcom point of view, they always say you cannot treat as say that you cannot treat it as a real investigation. When youre these psychic youre looking at these psychic things. For things. You have to say its for entertainment purposes only. And i think making sure theres the hook sort historical hook for that sort of historical place lot of sense. Place makes a lot of sense. There used be a real but there used to be a real clamour for this stuff, didnt they . Haunted was because most haunted was really popular. It. Love it. Love it. Yeah, absolutely. But do you think of gone away think thats sort of gone away a little bit . No. No. People want to believe and over and social awash over and social media is awash with things. With these sort of things. People want to believe in ghosts. Mean, its a wonderful ghosts. I mean, its a wonderful tourist say, hang tourist attraction to say, hang about. Is really about. This place is really haunted. Its rather like going about. This place is really ha seeed. Its rather like going about. This place is really ha see nessie,ather like going about. This place is really ha see nessie, your like going about. This place is really ha see nessie, you know, joing about. This place is really ha see nessie, you know, if ng about. This place is really ha see nessie, you know, if you to see nessie, you know, if you drained loch ness and prove there nothing there, what there was nothing there, what would happen to tourism so there was nothing there, what vithinkhappen to tourism so there was nothing there, what vllhink people to tourism so there was nothing there, what vllhink people wantjrism so there was nothing there, what vllhink people want to ;m so there was nothing there, what vllhink people want to believe so i think people want to believe on of basis. So lets on that sort of basis. So lets keep mind because, i keep an open mind because, i mean, of the view that the mean, i was of the view that the only thing thats haunting newcastle mike ashley newcastle would be mike ashley and of and his and the spectre of him and his takeover of newcastle united. Happy to be proven but im happy to be proven wrong though. Everythings possible. Wrong though. Workaverythings possible. Wrong though. Workaveithat. Gs possible. You work on that. Its always thrill. Now. I mean ive never ever seen a ghost. Yes. Have you . Yes. Have you . Yes. Have you . To be honest, i havent. And to be honest, i havent. And another friend of mine, nick pope, talks about ufos. And those were in the news as well. They are. And all is, is they are. And all it is, is unidentified flying object doesnt youve seen doesnt mean that youve seen an alien, can an open alien, but we can keep an open mind on that sort of basis. An mind, though. But an open mind, though. But come must think a lot of come on, you must think a lot of this is a bit pie in the sky tin. Well, something, something in the sky. Something the sky. The sky. Something in the sky. But also i think it would be arrogant to turn around arrogant for us to turn around when living one tiny when were living one tiny planet a galaxy of a planet in amongst a galaxy of a zillion stars to turn on and say theres not life on any of them , i think would be wrong. Like , i think would be wrong. I like the lets an open the idea. Lets keep an open mind. Far, i havent seen an mind. So far, i havent seen an auen i mind. So far, i havent seen an alien i havent seen a alien so far. I havent seen a ghost. I see one ghost. But if i see one tomorrow, ill come back on and tell you. Yeah, i hate i wouldnt well, yeah, i hate i wouldnt mind knowing a few psychics and mediums get mediums so ill have to get jamess contact when jamess Contact Details when hes newcastle because hes next to newcastle because id quite like the lottery numbers, you that for free. Now. Andrew eborn, thank you very in there. Very much for filling in there. Now were supposed to be now we were supposed to be talking about ghosts of course, at theatre royal. That at the theatre royal. That would have fascinating, wouldnt at the theatre royal. That would ha\now fascinating, wouldnt at the theatre royal. That would ha\now folks, inating, wouldnt at the theatre royal. That would ha\now folks, thank g, wouldnt at the theatre royal. That would ha\now folks, thank you ouldnt at the theatre royal. That would ha\now folks, thank you very1t it . Now folks, thank you very much company. Its been much for your company. Its been an cracking show, an absolutely cracking show, if i so myself. Andrew eborn i do say so myself. Andrew eborn has the now. Thank has made the magic now. Thank you to all my other you very much to all of my other guests. Course, this evening. Guests. Of course, this evening. Coming its calvins coming up next, its calvins common sense crusade with the wonder girl, emma webb. You wont want to miss that. Ah that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news good evening. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been quite a wet, windy and unsettled day across the uk and thats been due to storm anthony. Thats going to move away to the south east though, as we go through this evening to allow for some lighter winds to move in from the west. But we could still see a bit more in the way of cloud rain and some thunderstorms clinging into the south east while. Also, south east for a while. Also, some blustery conditions here. Elsewhere, drying up, but elsewhere, things drying up, but we could still see some showers for western coasts and there will be some clear spells around. So in rural areas, temperatures might just drop into the single figures. This into the single figures. This will mean itll be a generally brighter, drier and calmer start to the second half of the weekend, though still some blustery conditions. Cloud and rain across east anglia at first cloud and showers soon bubbling up elsewhere and they could be heavy across scotland , northern heavy across scotland, Northern England and a chance of a thunderstorm for northern ireland. But generally feeling much more pleasant with those temperatures just creeping into the low 20s in the south after another chilly night, though, on sunday, it will be a bright start to the new week with plenty of sunshine around some showers soon starting to bubble up. But these will be less frequent and lighter in nature than what were expecting for sunday. But as we look towards midweek, it does look like things will settle and things will settle down and become a drier with those become a bit drier with those temperatures on the to that temperatures on the rise to that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news gb news has its own late its saturday night and this is the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes along with Albie Amankona benjamin butterworth. Alex armstrong and lizzie cundy. Tonight on the show, the labour councillor touting Illegal Migrants on tick tock. 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