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GBN Breakfast July 4, 2024

Welcome back. Thank you very much. How was the holiday . Very sunny. I think i timed it quite well. Ive missed this wet patch that everybodys been experiencing ive come experiencing and now ive come back are you . Back to sunshine. Where are you . Of france. Yeah. South of france. Yeah. South of france. Yeah. Its lovely. Yeah. Really nice. Can you imagine . And you were just saying that you were busy boozing the flight last night. Well, i had glass of well, i had had a glass of wine, of course, on a wine, but, of course, on a flight, you have to have a little mini bottle. Oh, and it was about 6 00 in the evening. I thought would having thought everyone would be having a drink, but maybe everyone had had on their holidays. Had too much on their holidays. And was drinking and it seemed i was drinking alone flight home. Alone on the flight home. Yeah. How many bottles did you have . No, just the one. Just the one i was working on. Getting the cider. Might getting the cider. I might not drink, i like to drink not drink, but i like to drink victory through you. There you go. Ill do that. With pleasure. There with pleasure. Yeah. There you stuff. Its nice you go. Lovely stuff. Its nice to back. To have you back. You. Nice to be back. Thank you. Nice to be back. Thank you. Nice to be back. Lets take you through our top story this morning. Should we federation for we in the Police Federation for northern says urgent Northern Ireland says urgent answers after answers are required after details emerged of a second major leak containing major data leak containing the names 200 serving names of more than 200 serving officers and staff. Comes after the well, this comes after the worst breach in worst Security Breach in northern history, where Northern Irish history, where the locations the the names and locations of the entire force were mistakenly put onune entire force were mistakenly put online hours. Online for three hours. To our northern lets talk to our Northern Ireland beattie, ireland reporter dougie beattie, who i mean, dougie who joins us now. I mean, dougie , fact that there has now , the fact that there has now been reports a second data been reports covid a second data breach, put an awful breach, this has put an awful lot pressure now on the chief lot of pressure now on the chief constable here. Totally correct, stephen. Thatis totally correct, stephen. That is exactly whats happening here. And that pressure will come today here behind us. This is where the policing board sits. Thats that body that was set up the good friday up under the good friday agreement examine and hold agreement to examine and hold the psni responsible to local politicians. But of course, politicians. But of course, those local politicians are politicians. When it goes down to it, they will love the investigation. They will always try to excuse themselves. So today we will probably see this chief constable coming in behind us here. And those politics actions will say, we will wait for the investigation into this. And of course, that investigation will be into the foy side of the psni. Now, the foy side of the psni. Now, the foy say the freedom of information is run by civilians , but it will have a master, if you like, a boss that is inside the psni and the executive of the psni and the executive of the psni. Those executive management body that are around the chief constable will face investigate actions. And theres no doubt about it on a breach this size. So somebodys head will have to rule for this because the sheer amount of money that will have to come out of the taxpayers pocket to put this rate will, i would imagine , be eye watering in some in some stages. But last night we found out out of the Police Federation that this laptop was stolen out of a car at the start of july with 200 officers. Details on that particular laptop. Now, if youre doing laptop. Now, if youre doing jigsaw Data Analysis and youre putting stuff together, those bits and pieces of data that were released yesterday, along with the stuff out of the laptop, could put a lot of officers in a lot of danger. Youve got to remember the threat level here is at severe. The ira took many, many lives of Police Officers , sorry, in Police Officers, sorry, in Northern Ireland over many decades. And they are still targets, particularly to republican organisations. So as much as all eyes will be on the policing board here today, i think we will hear a lot of political bluster. But really there is a scheduled meeting of there is a scheduled meeting of the Police Federation and that is the body that looks after rank and file officers and they will be pushing for number one answers of the chief constable and his executive body. And number two, they will be laying or laying down their what they want out of this and how quickly they want it, because one of the biggest problems with rank and file officers is that they are very frustrated about how long disciplinary actions are taking, how much paperwork is in them and how quickly much quicker that can be done. So as officers arent left hanging with court cases. So they will want to see a very, very quick answer to this. So the probability is that today at the policing board, things will go politically. Things will go politically. Well, there will be a lot of bluster , but the police bluster, but the Police Federation this afternoon is the place to watch and there we think they will probably take a similar line, but they will want it done within a matter of weeks , not months. Okay, dougie , with that, okay, dougie, with that, thanks very much indeed. Now the thanks very much indeed. Now the Prime Minister is facing calls to put membership of the European Convention on human rights at the heart of his Election Campaign. Election campaign. Apparently, up to a third of the cabinet believe continued echr membership is preventing britain from protecting its borders against ilLegal Immigration. With deportations to rwanda, for example , hanging to rwanda, for example, hanging in the balance. Lets get the views now of leon emirali , who views now of leon emirali, who joins us in the studio, political analyst. Political analyst. Good morning. Good to see you, leon. Are seeing, do you you, leon. Are we seeing, do you think, bit of a hardening of think, a bit of a hardening of the position the government the position of the government at the yeah at the moment on the echr . Yeah i we are. I think we are. I think what were seeing is the government looking to project they doing project that they are doing everything can to tackle everything they can to tackle illegal whether ilLegal Immigration, whether thats legal or thats through the legal or illegal as currently is illegal means as it currently is with rwanda policy. And i with the rwanda policy. And i think are looking think they are looking to project that to the public, but they also exactly, as you they are also exactly, as you say, isabel, that say, isabel, hardening that stance the european stance on the European Convention much convention of human rights, much similar we saw with similar to the way we saw with the European Union over the years. Think this is years. And i think this is a culmination potentially in the tories throwing kitchen sink tories throwing the kitchen sink at this, trying to find a breakthrough talk of breakthrough and this talk of potentially , i think is potentially leaving, i think is going be to the ears of going to be music to the ears of those the of the party. Those on the right of the party. But well worry those in the middle. Well, i mean, how middle. Yeah, well, i mean, how realistic prospect is it realistic a prospect is it because its been talked of for some time but never actually happened. Weve also weve happened. And weve also weve got to differentiate. Its not actually to do with the actually anything to do with the eu. This it. No, its nothing eu. This is it. No, its nothing to do with the European Union. Its formation of the its actually a formation of the european and european council. And realistically, the European Convention rights , its convention on human rights, its peoples against the Peoples Protection against the state. Thats ultimately what its there for. And i think its quite worrying if we were to withdraw, we would be quite alone in doing so. In withdrawing, it would be sort of us and russia and other european states who arent necessarily conducive to that western liberal democracy. So i think it liberal democracy. So i think it is worrying and i think when you look what they are look at what they what they are talking this sort talking about, this sort of hardening stance around withdrawing , i think withdrawing altogether, i think its potentially win votes its potentially to win votes andisnt its potentially to win votes and isnt necessarily going to be easy thing to do. Be an easy thing to do. And to clear, if we and just to be clear, if we were to withdraw from the echr , were to withdraw from the echr, that resolve the rwanda that wouldnt resolve the rwanda deportation would deportation situation, would it . Because being because thats actually being rejected court at the rejected by the court at the moment in country. The moment in this country. The supreme court. Yes although think that the although i think that the European Convention of human rights sits it and rights sort of sits above it and it a judge in strasbourg who it is a judge in strasbourg who unilaterally stopped those deport asian flights last year. So it certainly wouldnt be the silver but would make silver bullet, but it would make things a lot easier. So that is obviously what the government is hoping but, you know, hoping happens. But, you know, this not be the be this is not going to be the be all and end all. I think all and end all. And i think there could be unintended consequences this when you consequences of this when you look you know, potentially look at, you know, potentially what mean if we what what it would mean if we had Prime Minister had a Prime Minister or a government led by, lets say, someone Jeremy Corbyn. And government led by, lets say, somewhat Jeremy Corbyn. And government led by, lets say, somewhat doesremy corbyn. And government led by, lets say, somewhat does that corbyn. And government led by, lets say, somewhat does that meann. And government led by, lets say, somewhat does that mean in and then what does that mean in terms people having access to terms of people having access to a people having a free trial, people having access protections against access to protections against the and i think a the state . And i think its a very slippery slope. Yeah. And you can understand the worries. You can understand the unintended consequences, but you can understand the can also understand the frustration of people, cant you, that you know , we have a you, that you know, we have a sovereign government that cannot actually enact what certain a lot of people in the country want to see happen. Well, stephen, this reminds me a little bit of henry the eighth when he wanted he wanted his way and he and he left the catholic church. I think its a similar thing with with you cant thing with with this. You cant come a with a with come up with a with a with a policy that is against the law. And your answer to that is to leave court that those leave the court that sets those those laws. Think there has those laws. I think there has to be another forward. And be another way forward. And i think its on the government now to come up Creative Ideas to come up with Creative Ideas where can actually perhaps where they can actually perhaps park policy one park the rwanda policy to one side, other means of side, look at other means of being to stop illegal being able to stop ilLegal Immigration country, immigration into the country, and everyone. And thats satisfy everyone. We talk about and, leon, when we talk about a third of the cabinet supposedly in favour ditching supposedly in favour of ditching the idea of sort the echr, any idea of sort of names might suspect names of who we might suspect among those , i imagine theres among those, i imagine theres one at the top of that. I think no surprises. Suella braverman i imagine the home secretary is pushing that. Secretary is pushing for that. I mean, policy really mean, this rwanda policy really does hallmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so hallmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for hallmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her hallmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her to allmark all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her to have|rk all over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her to have a. All over mean, this rwanda policy really d01so for her to have a successr it. So for her to have a success in this particular policy, i think she is pushing for that. I think she is pushing for that. I think it is definitely those on the of the cabinet. And i the right of the cabinet. And i would there is some would imagine that there is some resistance from the resistance perhaps from the more moderate likes of penny moderate the likes of penny mordaunt, perhaps who i mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imagine to stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe|e to stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe echr. To stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe echr. But to stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe echr. But itsto stay part mordaunt, perhaps actually who i imthe echr. But its another art of the echr. But its another issue where is a split in issue where there is a split in the cabinet. The tories dont look unified and thats a problem heading into an election. Tell you what election. I tell you what though, could be vote though, it could be a vote winner, of winner, but purely because of the that people are the frustration that people are feeling, people feeling like feeling, people are feeling like were not getting anything done and were being hampered in what we can see it we do. Therefore, you can see it as a i dont know what you say about unintended consequences. You people not necessarily you know, people not necessarily understand all understand exactly what it all means however it could win a means. However it could win a few votes over. It could do. Means. However it could win a few votes over. It could do. And i think this is why its slightly worrying, because i think it is actually popular when you poll the public on that question alone. But then when you look at the deeper consequences of it and it does really underpin the sort of whole judiciary in this country and think we were to leave and i think if we were to leave that, would have that, it would have consequences. Perhaps consequences. People perhaps havent youre havent considered. But youre quite steve saw quite right, steve and i saw a poll on on twitter. I saw a poll on think it was the telegraph on i think it was the telegraph website. It seems as though its very that want very popular that people do want to leave. But i think thats just on the rwanda question alone. And would cover much, alone. And it would cover much, much that were to. Okay. I was just going to ask a final question about lee anderson and his admission acknowledgement, as it, acknowledgement, as he put it, that the government failing that the government was failing on the problem of on on kerbing the problem of illegal robert on on kerbing the problem of illegal biting robert on on kerbing the problem of illegal biting back robert on on kerbing the problem of illegal biting back against jenrick biting back against that. Yet number 10, not that. But yet number 10, not really that critical of some of his language, more colourful language in all of this. Its again that tory disunity isnt it . And its not a good look to have deputy chairman of the going against the party going up against a home minister and yes, i Home Office Minister and yes, i think Lee Andersons language was unparliamentary. And i think that thats sort of fairly fair to see. But then again, perhaps the point behind that language was and a lot of people was valid and a lot of people would resonate with it. So i dont think number 10 are going to give to lee to necessarily give more to lee anderson slap on the anderson than a slap on the wrist him on. And wrist and let him move on. And thats of his appeal. Its thats part of his appeal. Its the way that does reach the way that he does reach a part of the audience that perhaps cant. Yeah, perhaps rishi sunak cant. Yeah, okay, leon, thanks much okay, leon, thanks very much indeed. Know what you indeed. Let us know what you think. Yes. About lee think. Yes. About that lee anderson comment. I mean, its an he just an interesting one. Is he just its not party. Its not parliamentary language, is it . Its not the way we do things normally. Is he just saying what you think , which is also part of you think, which is also part of the point. Yeah. But i actually think what was more shocking was to have as seniors him have somebody as seniors him deputy of the conservative deputy chair of the conservative party saying that the government had failed when theyre a year away from an election. To me that almost of the that was almost more of the headune that was almost more of the headline all of it. Let headline out of all of it. Let us know what you think. Those are our thoughts this morning. Vaiews gbnews. Com you enjoyed now if you enjoyed yesterdays weather, its yesterdays warm weather, its going to get even hotter this week. Apparently. Temperatures going to get even hotter this weeto apparently. Temperatures going to get even hotter this weeto rise arently. Temperatures going to get even hotter this weeto rise above. Temperatures going to get even hotter this weeto rise above 24 mperatures going to get even hotter this weeto rise above 24 degrees. Es set to rise above 24 degrees. 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