Just guarantee anything, people do go away, because you just you . Guarantee anything, can you . Em em can you . If you were lucky and i mean, if you were lucky and you week of sunshine in you got a week of sunshine in pembrokeshire, there is nowhere better be. Better to be. Exactly. Its gods own country, same cornwall country, same as cornwall houday country, same as cornwall holiday days holiday abroad these days because my in laws getting because my in laws are getting on and they dont like on a bit and they dont like flying in so much flying anymore. In fact, so much so my passports ran out. I havent even got a functioning passport. Havent . Yeah. How passport. You havent . Yeah. How disorganised that . Well, 7 well, it . Well, it could take you a long to get it as well. Long time to get it as well. And keeps putting me and that keeps putting me off, i think it takes so off, though. I think it takes so long. Whats the point . And the net cant go abroad. Net result is i cant go abroad. That really is quite yeah, that really is quite unusual nowadays not have unusual nowadays to not have one, it . I know are one, isnt it . I know there are a lot of americans in america who never passport. Who have never owned a passport. Thats yeah. But they got thats right. Yeah. But they got a very, very big country. Yeah. Can go they can go and they can go they can go from from alaska. Right the way down southern to new mexico. So there isnt the need is there. But usually most brits have yeah. I have confess i have been i have to confess i have been exceptionally disorganised and rubbish in that respect. Get on with it though. No get on with it and then at least youll have it at some point. That point. Yeah, absolutely. If youre planning a getaway, id love hear where youre love to hear where youre planning to away to. We can. Planning to get away to. We can. We sort out. That will raise we can sort out. 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Do you have a washing line . I can get by with that one. Actually really like i actually really like hanging laundry. I find very hanging laundry. I find it very therapeutic. I i like therapeutic. I like i like ironing, i like all sort of ironing, i like all that sort of stuff. Quite strange. You stuff. Im quite strange. You like i do. I find it like ironing . I do. I find it i like ironing . I do. I find it i like being organised. See, i dont understand ironing at because in ironing at all because by now in the should have the 21st century we should have invented something. That means you to have you dont have to have everything you dont have to have everythpromise a lot wont we . By we promise a lot wont we . By the of the future. Theyd the robots of the future. Theyd be drinking. Making be drinking. Theyd be making our drinks. Be driving our drinks. Theyd be driving our drinks. Theyd be driving our and what do get our cars. And what do we get instead . Mobile phones that constantly yeah constantly hassle us. Yeah which, today talking of which, today i realised i hadnt charged my mobile the car and it mobile and got in the car and it wasnt. Work. And wasnt. It didnt work. And i felt felt as if somebody had felt i felt as if somebody had cut off or something. Cut an arm off or something. Yeah, its now though. Yeah, its going now though. Yeah, its going now though. Going now because yeah. Its going now because ive charged it up ive got ive charged it up now ive got here but it might conk out. It was really, really i really was really, really i felt really strange quite panicky strange and it was quite panicky how was without how panicked i was without a working phone, it will become entirely dependent on them. Thing. Thats the thing. Thats the thing. With phone and you with me with no phone and you with no right pair, no passport. Were a right pair, arent we go. Lets talk arent we . We go. Lets talk about our top story today. The government is under further pressure tackle migrant pressure to tackle migrant crossings after yet another terrible in the channel. Terrible tragedy in the channel. Six people died after a small boat off the coast of boat sank off the coast of france yesterday a further france yesterday with a further 59 people being rescued by british french coast guards i well, joining us now is media advocacy manager and migrant support coordinator at samphire. Thats kay marsh. And i think she joins us now. Good morning, kay. Hello so, i mean, this is just the most terrible tragedy to be talking about yet again. What in your view, because you talk to these people , you deal talk to these people, you deal with them, what it would put them off getting into those dangerous small boats . Well dangerous small boats . Well i dont think we should be looking at whats going to put people off, because i think the honest answer to that is nothing. Answer to that is nothing. You know, we have to remember that for the majority of people, the channel crossing is just a very small part a much longer very small part of a much longer journey. And you know, its journey. And its you know, its the small part much the last small part of a much longer journey. So people who longerjourney. So people who have through that have been through all of that already to be already arent going to be easily from making the easily deterred from making the last step. The only way we stop last step. The only way we stop the is giving the boats is by giving an alternative route and alternative route a safe and legal alternative route. But k even hours after yesterdays departure, the human traffickers were back in business. In fact, i think 75 arrived yesterday day , and so the yesterday day, and so the business carried on. The human traffickers dont care about people safety, it would seem. In fact, the reports in the newspapers today, theyre not even giving out jackets. So even giving out life jackets. So the majority of people on board surely the safer routes would just encourage a higher influx into a country, lets face it, which is at breaking point in terms of our ability to support people, in terms of things like health. I dont think so. I dont think it would increase the number of people making the crossing or, you know, coming here. It would just eliminate the need for them to risk their life in a small boat. You know, lot of people on you know, a lot of people on these small boats have these small boats do have a right to come here to claim asylum. The current asylum. But under the current rules, on british rules, you have to be on british soil to do that. And there isnt safe legal routes enough. There isnt catchall route isnt a sort of a catchall route for people. So they are there forced to make irregular forced to make these irregular journeys get to the uk journeys to get to the uk to claim asylum. If were if claim asylum. If we were if people were able to make that claim or start claim before claim or start that claim before reaching you know, reaching britain or, you know, be here safely, be brought here safely, humanitarian visas, there are options. Know , and thats options. You know, and thats the only way we stop people getting in boats because at getting in the boats because at the they have to. Yes the moment they have to. Yes and said at the moment and you said at the moment they theyre getting they have to theyre getting into boats. Are they they have to theyre getting into when boats. Are they they have to theyre getting into when they ats. Are they they have to theyre getting into when they do. Are they they have to theyre getting into when they do that . They they have to theyre getting into when they do that . Are aware when they do that . Are they aware of how dangerous it is . Mean, yesterdays tragedy is . I mean, yesterdays tragedy is . I mean, yesterdays tragedy is over the front pages of is all over the front pages of the newspapers. People are talking it on, frankly, talking about it on, frankly, nearly every tv news channel or radio show. And were all aware that its very, very dangerous. But are they they yes, i think so. 50. So. You know, its the busiest shipping lane in the world. Its a very short journey. But i a very short journey. But i think by now its been going quite a while. I think people are aware of the danger. And i think that that really hits home the fact the, you know, the the fact that the, you know, the number people that are still number of people that are still making that crossing, despite number of people that are still maidanger, crossing, despite number of people that are still mai danger, crossin the espite number of people that are still maidanger, crossin the deaths, the danger, despite the deaths, i it really hits home just i think it really hits home just how desperate these people are, you theyre going you know, and theyre not going to and to be easily deterred and really, you know, you have to question somebody does know question if somebody does know the choosing the danger and theyre choosing still a small boat, still to get into a small boat, why are they that . You why are they doing that . You know, would somebody put know, why would somebody put their that . Their life at risk like that . Well because they are desperate and theyre fleeing war, persecution, know. And theyre fleeing war, per well,on, know. And theyre fleeing war, perwell, let know. And theyre fleeing war, perwell, let me know. And theyre fleeing war, perwell, let me put know. And theyre fleeing war, perwell, let me put that know. Well, let me put that question to because theyre question to you, because theyre not war or persecution not fleeing war or persecution or conflict when they leave france, safe france, theyre leaving a safe country. Doubt country. And theyve no doubt been through many safe countries to france. Majority to get to france. The majority of yesterday were of those rescued yesterday were afghani men. A few somalians. Afghani men. A few somalians. And i was wrong, by the way, 500 made the crossing yesterday , made the crossing yesterday, evenin made the crossing yesterday, even in choppy waters and even after that disaster. So ill put it to you. Why are they making that crossing when theyre leaving a safe country, france, where they could claim asylum . Whats the draw of britain . Whats the draw of britain . Do you find that to be quite a silly argument now, this far down the line, you know, they arent coming from france, are they . They are coming from much further. They departed from france. They departed from france. Going stay everybody isnt going to stay in a lot of in france. France takes a lot of people, as does germany, spain, lots countries. Not lots of other countries. Not everybody to stay in everybody is going to stay in france, the end of france, but it is at the end of a much longerjourney is yes, indeed, its been a very long journey. But why doesnt it stop in france . Why do they want to come to britain . To britain . Not everybody does. You know , there are there are several reasons people might want to reasons why people might want to come to britain. Language, family you family reunification. Um, you know, but a lot of people settle in other countries, you in other countries, too. You know, take the most in know, we dont take the most in europe its across europe. Its spread across europe. Its spread across europe. You know, theres a lot of people floating around. And yes , we take a lot of people, yes, we take a lot of people, but as of other countries. But but the point remains, its a perilous journey. Youve spelled that out. The facts bear that out. Yesterday it was the biggest loss of life in the channel since november 2021, when 27 died. It seems inevitable these things will happen again. When you look at the perilous state of the craft, theyre seaworthy. Ive theyre barely seaworthy. Ive seen a lot of these in dover. No doubt you have. Thats where youre based. You know, these craft are designed a won craft are designed for a won use. Theyre designed by human traffickers clearly traffickers who clearly dont care of life. Theyre care about loss of life. Theyre simply to make money. Simply trying to make money. Surely a safer , more surely a safer, more humanitarian way of doing this for everybody concerned , would for everybody concerned, would be to contain this issue in the mainland, in europe, in france. Mainland, in europe, in france. Thats idealistic, though , thats idealistic, though, isnt it . I mean, i think after a few years, we have to admit that that isnt going to happen. You know, we have to work within our own limitations here. Its clear that deterrents dont work. Going to put work. Its not going to put people so we need to people off. So we need to change. We need to change tack. This a humanitarian issue. We this is a humanitarian issue. We need solution when need compassion solution when you these people , what you talk to these people, what is it that they say about that . What would what would they like to happen in . Well, i think im somebody who knows what the options might be. Do you know what i mean . Not not a lot of people do know what the options for safe legal routes are. But of course, we use humanitarian the use humanitarian visas with the ukrainian situation. People were brought here safely and legally , having to navigate , never having to navigate the , never having tor1avigate the , never having to navigate the , never having tor1avi1into the asylum system or get into a small boat. So it can be done. We do have have mechanisms available, theyre very , available, but theyre very, very narrow and they dont catch everyone that is allowed be everyone that is allowed to be here. Its we know now that here. So its we know now that nothing is going to work. Nothing is going to deter people. And we need to start looking at them here safely at how we get them here safely and process them quickly. Stephen kinnock, okay. Stephen kinnock, labours shadow immigration minister, today and the sunday mirror has said one thing that his party would be tempted to look at is making those who successfully get asylum more productive members of british society. Im assuming that means theyll be granted work visas. Is that something that you would like to see . Yes yes, absolutely. You know , yes, absolutely. You know, the right to work in this country at the moment. You know, we have a massive backlog in the asylum system, which means we have a lot more people all waiting on a decision than we usually because its usually would have because its taking a long time to clear their their cases. If we gave their their cases. So if we gave people right to work when people the right to work when theyd for maybe six theyd been here for maybe six months, their months, still awaiting their asylum we wouldnt have asylum claim, we wouldnt have to house them. Wouldnt have to house them. We wouldnt have to house them. We wouldnt have to support because to give asylum support because people be allowed to people would be allowed to support themselves. At the moment theyre we have moment theyre not. So we have no choice but to no no other choice but to support to keep them support them, to keep them alive. If we gave the people the right they fill right to work, they would fill gapsin right to work, they would fill gaps in the workforce. You know, it would bring money through tax and insurance and National Insurance contributions, asylum and National Insurance contribu bills, asylum and National Insurance contribu bill would asylum and National Insurance contribubill would go asylum and National Insurance contribu bill would go way. Um and National Insurance contribu bill would go way down, support bill would go way down, certainly you say, whatever certainly as you say, whatever were doing the moment isnt working. Kay marsh, thanks very much indeed for joining kay marsh, thanks very much indeed forjoining us this indeed for joining us this morning. Morning. Its a quandary, isnt it . Its a real quandary. Kay accused me of being idealistic. I would throw that back at her. This thing about allowing Asylum Seekers to work, i think would become the greatest pull factor across all of the world. The greatest pull. Pull. Yes the greatest pull. Pull. Yes because we know that roughly about 75 of asylum applications are granted if the immediate right to work was then the reward for that , i think we reward for that, i think we would be absolutely inundated with people making that journey even more so than now. I think thats just wishing in an Endless Supply of cheap labour, the kind of thing that people thought was was ending with brexit. What do you think . Well, yes , somethings got to well, yes, somethings got to be tried , hasnt it . Something be tried, hasnt it . Something different to be tried different has got to be tried because the bottom line is, as kay was saying, because the bottom line is, as kay was saying , what were because the bottom line is, as kay was saying, what were doing at the isnt working. Yeah. And it was. It was it was really saddening and i think sickening to see yesterday that even after that, after the disaster, boats were still disaster, the boats were still being printed out by the human traffickers. You have to traffickers. And you have to wonder if they even wonder if they if they even care. Well, course they dont. Well, of course they dont. They care. They dont care. And that is why this yeah. And that is why this this trade surely just has to be stopped at source. I mean, let us know what you think out there, because as as as kay said, quite correctly, what were doing now isnt working. Were doing now isnt working. No, thats right. Somethings got tried, but its got to got to be tried, but its got to be something that doesnt make things what do things worse. Correct. What do you cant get worse than yesterday, it . Well, it yesterday, can it . Well, it could. It could. Yeah. Its just terrible see it happening terrible to see it happening again, isnt it . It is. Lets move on. Its 613. A very good morning. Now over on the other side of the atlantic , the us side of the atlantic, the us attorney, david weiss , has been attorney, david weiss, has been appointed special counsel in the Ongoing Investigation of the us president s son, hunter biden, and the scope of the inquiry will now focus more on the younger bidens business dealings. This comes as hunters own lawyer, chris clark , de