Ridiculous. I mean, they used to say when i was young that you must ever smoke while must never, ever smoke while youre could youre praying, but you could pray youre smoking. Pray while youre smoking. And i think theres absolutely no reason why shouldnt be reason why we shouldnt be praying but look, praying tomorrow. But look, every Church Service isnt at 10 00. Know, church 10 00. You know, my Church Service ten and 12. Service is at eight, ten and 12. We can fit in around it. But before all of that, its the. News the. News emma, thank you very much and good evening. This is the latest from the newsroom. Some breaking news just in. A 50 year old man has been charged with possessing documents or records likely to be useful to terrorists. And the be useful to terrorists. And the possession articles for use possession of articles for use in terrorism. Hell appear in in terrorism. Hell appear in court on monday in relation to last psni data breach, last weeks psni data breach, where the details of 10,000 Police Officers and staff were published online by mistake. Published online by mistake. Thats after Police Officers in Northern Ireland revealed theyre also investigating the loss of an officers laptop and notebook which fell from a moving vehicle that contained the details of 42 officers and staff of lawyers representing the families of two of lucy libbys victims have called the independent inquiry inadequate. The government ordered a Non Statutory investigation after the former nurses conviction yesterday. It will conviction yesterday. It will look at the circumstances surrounding the deaths, including how concerns raised by clinicians were dealt with. The clinicians were dealt with. The prosecutions key medical expert has told the Observer Police should investigate hospital bosses for corporate manslaughter, calling them grossly negligent for not acting on fears about libbys actions at the time she was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. Shell be sentenced on monday. Pakistani police are monday. Pakistani police are seeking to arrest the father of sara sharif in connection to her murder. The sara sharif in connection to her murder. The ten year olds body was found at her home in woking last thursday morning after Police Received a call from irfan sharif from pakistan. Police believe he travelled to islamabad with sara stepmother, uncle and five children a day before her body was discovered. Detectives say shed suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time. Sustained period of time. Criminal gangs have been condemned by maritime experts for pushing small boats out into the English Channel during storm betty. Coastguard and Border Force Vessels have been called to deal with reports of migrant boats in the sea in treacherous conditions. At least three were conditions. At least three were intercepted in uk waters this morning. Db news understands around 100 people were on board and finally the lionesses say theyre buoyed by the level of support ahead of tomorrows World Cup Final. England take on spain playing to win the trophy for the very first time. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. Meanwhile the prince of wales has apologised for not being able to attend that final in person. In a video posted on social media, he and Princess Charlotte wished the lionesses good luck for the game. Lionesses want to send you a huge good luck for tomorrow. Were sorry you cant be there in person, but were so proud of everything youve achieved and the millions youve inspired here and around the world. So go out really out there tomorrow and really enjoy yourselves. Good luck, lionesses. Lionesses. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio, and on your Smart Speaker by simply saying play gb news. Now its back to emma. On the 8th of january 1894, little boy was born near lodz in poland. Was born near lodz in poland. His name was raymond and his parents were poor but devout weavers. One night when he was weavers. One night when he was a young child , he had a dream, young child, he had a dream, a vision of the virgin mary. He asked mary what would become of him, and she offered him two crowns. One white for purity , crowns. One white for purity, the other red for martyrdom. She the other red for martyrdom. She asked him which he would be willing to accept, and the little boy replied. Both yes. He went on to join the franciscan order, taking the name maximilian. Maximilian kolbe. Maximilian. Maximilian kolbe. Though he had been attracted to the army at the end of world war |, the army at the end of world war i, he was ordained in rome , i, he was ordained in rome, seeing himself as engaged in a spiritual instead of military worldly battle in 1919, he returned to poland , and despite returned to poland, and despite having incurable tubercular ptosis, he set about creating a printing press, producing newspapers and a radio station, believing that the media could believing that the media could be used for good to spread the word of god and encouraged devotion to mary. When the invaded poland in 1939, he could have kept his head down and stopped doing what he was doing. But he didnt. Instead, he was sent to auschwitz as a prisoner. 16670. Never renounced his faith in stead, he prayed with and comforted his fellow prisoners. Comforted his fellow prisoners. One day in late july 1941, the camp siren went off. Some prisoners had escaped , including prisoners had escaped, including from block 14, father colbys block from the blocks where the prisoners had escaped. The guards picked ten prisoners to make an example. All those ten make an example. All those ten would be sent to an underground bunker to starve to death. One bunker to starve to death. One of the ten began weeping for his wife and children who hed never see again. And it was father see again. And it was father colby who stepped forward and told the guards that he would take the mans place. He prayed with and sang with the men for two weeks until they starved and until he was one of the last left alive. The last left alive. Saint Maximilian Kolbe be the saint of auschwitz. He was saint of auschwitz. He was executed on the 14th of august 1941, after being injected with carbolic acid. He was canonised by pope john paul, a martyr of charity and patron saint. Not only of political prisoners, but also of journalists and radio operators in jesus words, greater love hath no man than this. That a man lay down his life for his friends. One survive, said his death was a shock filled with hope, bringing new life and strengths. It was like a powerful shaft of light in the darkness of the camp far the kolbes little known story of bravery, steadfastness and holiness is an inspiration to christians and non christians alike. Christians and non christians auke. The christians and non christians alike. The 14th of august remains his feast day. The day as providence would have it before the assumption of mary , before the assumption of mary, the day in the christian calendar that marks marys ascension into heaven. It was also the day that his remains were cremated. Saints and their were cremated. Saints and their feast days used to be an important part of the culture of the people of the british isles. If you take a moment to look almost anywhere in the country, you will notice that our landscape is dotted with places associated with and named after saints, holy places , as well as saints, holy places, as well as holy wells. Its testament to holy wells. Its testament to the ways in which the saints captured the imagined nations and hearts of our ancestors from seventh century saints like saint cuthbert and durham, to saint cuthbert and durham, to saint Maximilian Kolbe in the 20th. I think the saints can beguile us just as they once did. If only we knew their stories its the womens world cup tomorrow morning in sydney, the first time that england have reached the World Cup Final since the mens team in 1966. The game kicks off at 11 am, which will also happens to be the same time that many Church Services usually begin. So Many Services usually begin. So many people will be toying with the idea of bunking off to watch the game. Yes, dad, i am looking at you this week. The times reported that many churches would actually be onside with those choosing to skive the bishop of derby , who is the bishop of derby, who is the churchs spokeswoman for sport, who knew that they had such a thing, said that many people will want to watch the match live. And if they want to do that , that is just fine by the that, that is just fine by the church of england. One church is even shorter its eucharist so even shorter in its eucharist so that they can live stream the game eat bacon rolls. Game and eat bacon rolls. Another their service another swapped their service for a community. Watch critics say that the church is sending the message that football is more important than worship. More important than worship. Interesting that and that brings me on to tonights jewel. Me on to tonights jewel. Joining me tonight , two of my joining me tonight, two of my favourite people under the sun, the broadcaster and historian Rafe Heydel Mankoo and former labour party mep mep storey mp Stephen Pound have just given you a place in the European Parliament there. Stephen yes, so ralph could do me much good. Kick us off. What do you think of this . Do you think that the church sending the wrong message . First just want to well, first i just want to thank for that marvellous thank you for that marvellous monologue about saint Maximilian Kolbe, to my kolbe, whos very close to my heart he was at heart because he was at auschwitz the same time as my auschwitz at the same time as my grandfathers cousin, who was a professor economics and was professor of economics and was housed in a nearby block. And they were actually murdered within few weeks of each within a few weeks of each other. Very to my other. So very close to my heart. Im thrilled that gb heart. And im thrilled that gb news actually talking about news is actually talking about that anyway, that wonderful man. But anyway, on topic at hand. Look, on to the topic at hand. Look, if masses are being cancelled or if masses are being cancelled or if people dont have any option to go to mass because of this game, then i think that is wrong. Overly exercised. Im not overly exercised because, as stephen said, there are other opportunities go to are other opportunities to go to church a sunday church normally on a sunday apart the one mass, because apart from the one mass, because in masses are being in some cases masses are being scheduled hour scheduled to be half an hour early order to provide people early in order to provide people with opportunity. Mean, with an opportunity. I mean, its said football is its often said that football is the religion of england. The real religion of england. Perhaps in this perhaps that is true in this case, but think goes to case, but i think goes to a broader issue, which is part of this project by the church of england particularly. Im not sure this an issue england particularly. Im not surcatholic this an issue england particularly. Im not surcatholic ands an issue england particularly. Im not surcatholic and evangelicale for catholic and evangelical churches, church of churches, but the church of england is trying to reach out churches, but the church of ena and is trying to reach out churches, but the church of ena progressive; to reach out churches, but the church of ena progressive youth ach out to a progressive youth demographic. So, it demographic. And by doing so, it is jettisoning dogma. Demographic. And by doing so, it isjettisoning dogma. Its is jettisoning dogma. Its jettisoning theology. And this jettisoning theology. And this jettisoning of the jettisoning so many of the traditions which are as traditions which are seen as being awkward alienating or being awkward or alienating or off to that demographic off putting to that demographic , even though that demographic isnt all interested isnt at all interested in religion is actually religion and is actually alienating core alienating the core congregations , the true faithful congregations, the true faithful of the church. And thats of the of the church. And thats my issue. Its the willingness with which theyre able to seeming compromise without it, without qualms whatsoever. Without any qualms whatsoever. Think, stephen, that do you think, stephen, that this is another example of the Church England basically church of england basically sending message something sending a message that Something Like football, something secular, important for secular, is more important for worshipping the almighty . Worshipping the almighty . Absolutely. I mean, it was said that the british invented cricket to give them some idea of the concept of eternity, because its a profoundly irreligious people. They didnt know particular know much about that particular concept. I just pick concept. But can i just pick what rafe said about father maximilian he means Maximilian Kolbe . He means a great deal to us in ealing , great deal to us in ealing, where we actually have kolbe house. We have a sheltered home for also in woods, for people and also in woods, his city, which commonly his home city, which is commonly known of known as the manchester of poland, where he is poland, you know, where he is revered and on the 14th of revered. And on the 14th of august, the day before, the assumption the blessed virgin august, the day before, the assunthere the blessed virgin august, the day before, the assunthere was1e blessed virgin august, the day before, the assunthere was a blessed virgin august, the day before, the assunthere was a speciali virgin august, the day before, the assunthere was a special massn mary, there was a special mass in our polish church in poland in our polish church in poland in our polish church in believe me, all in ely, and believe you me, all over but coming to on over poland. But coming to on this now, if you dilute the faith to the where it is faith to the point where it is just no longer visible anymore , just no longer visible anymore, how you actually complain if how can you actually complain if people say, well, why should i bother to go to church . I know, bother to go to church . I know, obviously was shankly obviously was it . Shankly said. You football not you know, football is not a matter of life and death. Its much more important than that. But i find this but is it . I find this absolutely ludicrous. Its an important match without important football match without a been a question. You know, ive been at football afternoon and at football this afternoon and ive the concept of ive understood the concept of purgatory watching i purgatory from watching it. So i understand this. You know, by understand this. You know, by the fulham this the way, fulham lost this afternoon. But the idea is afternoon. But look, the idea is over and over again. We see to see. And i dont i dont actually identify particular christian strands because i think all Christian Churches to a certain some more than a certain degree, some more than others do actually commit this, which think actually which i think its actually a sin. Personally, actually sin. Personally, ive actually diluting of the diluting the purity of the message. Think when we message. And i think when we those had on the news those items you had on the news today horrific stories, you today to horrific stories, you know, baby murders in know, the baby murders in cheshire and the missing child from from in when you from from in sorry when you think that weve been given a planet which provides for all our needs, provides everything we us a heaven on we want, gives us a heaven on earth. Want it. And yet earth. If we want it. And yet somehow we to actually somehow we managed to actually forget core message. And forget the core message. And it bnngs forget the core message. And it brings back to, i think, brings us back to, i think, sorry to ramble on a bit, but the most fundamental question in christianity will. Christianity about free will. I mean, if people say if god allows such evil to create to exist, if he allows it to exist and he could stop it, then hes malevolent if he allows it to malevolent. If he allows it to exist and he cant stop it, hes impotent. And thats the impotent. And i think thats the debate we have have debate that we have to have oven debate that we have to have over. And i know the over. And i think i know the answer that. And youve got answer to that. And youve got to have faith to know the answer. But it just terrifies me that talking about such that were talking about such trivialities as football when were about absolute were talking about the absolute horrors eyes on horrors in front of our eyes on this of plenty of beauty this planet of plenty of beauty and a peace that we could be living children it. Living as gods children on it. And do we do . We kill and yet what do we do . We kill each other by by comparison, this will all seem trivial, but ive noticed going into churches recently, particularly anglican churches, theres this kind churches, that theres this kind of desecration of the sacred space. And so i have in my mind from this times report images of people sitting in the pews watching a live stream football, no rolls with feet no bacon rolls with their feet up, like something up, and it looks like something from ted, you so , from father ted, you know, so, you know, from your perspective , rafe, do think that there , rafe, do you think that there is element in this that is is an element in this that is still going back to the same problem that we see week after week . The Church England sort week . The church of england sort of given up on itself and of having given up on itself and having on christianity having given up on christianity in gospel . In the gospel . Well, well, it was well, yeah. Well, it was ever thus. Remember very famous thus. I remember the very famous episode Prime Minister episode of yes Prime Minister when