Single. Penny single. Penny £36 billion in hundreds of new transport projects in the north and the midlands across the country. This means £36 billion of investment in the projects that will make a real difference across our nation. Difference across our nation. Well, in reaction to that, the former Prime MinisterDavid Cameron criticised the announcement, writing on twitter that a once in a Generation Opportunity city had been lost and just about an hour ago, former Prime MinisterBoris Johnson added, i agree to David Camerons post and the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham , said the new Investment Plan didnt create a coherent transport network. But the mayor of the west midlands, andy street, said although he was disappointed at the decision, he believed all in all, it was a good compromise. Now believed all in all, it was a good compromise. Now away from good compromise. Now away from the Party Conference, five people have been arrested after Just Stop Oil protesters interrupted tonights performance of Les Miserables at the sondheim theatre in london. Take a look. Singing. The sondheim theatre in london. Take a look. Singing. The song take a look. Singing. The song of anneliese just. Well, if youre not watching on television and youre listening on the radio, what were looking at is four members of Just Stop Oil holding up orange banners on the stage and then locking themselves to the front of the musical stage theatre actors stop their performance. They stop their performance. They were led off at the back of the stage. Stage management stage. Stage management attempted to remove the activists as well. Audience members took it upon themselves to shouted at Just Stop Oil to have shouted at Just Stop Oil activists get off the stage. Activists to get off the stage. To now the sunderland man who died after being attacked by an xl bully has been named by Northumbria Police as ian langley. Police attended the incident last night following reports a dog had injured the 54 year old who was taken to hospital already with life threatening injuries. A 44 year threatening injuries. A 44 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder and an investigation has been launched. The dog was destroyed at the scene. A second had to be seized and a sixth person has been arrested in connection with the crooked house pub fire in staffordshire. A 23 year old man from leicestershire was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit arson with intent. Hes commit arson with intent. Hes been released on conditional bail while the investigation continues. Four men and a woman were previously arrested in connection with the fire that destroyed the iconic pub back in august. And lastly , the uk and august. And lastly, the uk and ireland are possible set to host the euros in 2028, pending final approval from uefas executive committee next week. That comes as turkey withdrew its bid to host the european football championships. It instead has planned to merge bids with italy. Theyre both going to go for 2032 in the uk, ten stadia were earmarked to host the matches, including glasgows hampden park. The principality stadium in cardiff. Dublins Aviva Stadium and wembley in london. Youre with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news this is britains news channel. News channel. Hello and welcome to headliners. Your first look at thursdays papers. Papers. Joining me tonight, we have the paul daniels and debbie mcgee of gb news. In no particular order, that is Lewis Schaefer and nick dixon. Evening, gentlemen. So, which 1 am. I . 1a. M. I . No 1 am. I . No particular order . No particular order . Particular order . In no particular order . In no particular order . , that pan and the well, that pan out and the audience. To debbie audience. I prefer to be debbie mcgee because wound up with the. Millions. She did . With millions. She did . With millions. She did . Absolutely. With millions. She did . Illsolutely. With millions. She did . Ill takeely. Take daniels ill take ill take daniels because he was talent. Because he was the talent. Was talent. Daniels was the talent. Daniels was the talent. Anyway, a much missed anyway, he was a much missed , understood individual, in my view , very like a genuine view, very like a genuine magician. View, very like a genuine ma he an. View, very like a genuine ma he had he had the craft, real magic. He did absolutely. He did absolutely. He did absolutely. The we have the front pages. The we have the front pages. We kick off with the telegraph. We kick off with the telegraph. Huge decisions that change britain. We have rishi and his britain. We have rishi and his wife, their guardian. So sunak ignites tory civil war. After declaring he is the change candidate. But can that be candidate. But can that be plausible . The times son of a farmer wokeist casts himself as thatchers heir in intriguing take on it. Daily mail. Daily mail. All day rishi gave tories a reason to believe he can save us from keirs wokery express game changer rishis radical policy blitz to fix britain and the daily star an outlier. As ever, weve really hit the skids. Supermarket forced to put security tags on bulger rolls to end shoplifting epidemic. Those end shoplifting epidemic. Those were your front pages. So were your front pages. So kicking things off with the telegraph. Lewis yeah, this huge telegraph. Lewis yeah, this huge decision decisions to change britain and the three major decisions which will have relatively little impact on the global and our own situation in the first one is smoking is effectively to be banned for future generations with phased in a phased age limit, which is the new zealand method. The new zealand method. Yeah. Which is therell be a time when someone whos 19 wont be able to smoke , but someone be able to smoke, but someone whos 20 will be able to smoke and then theyll just carry on rolling that up , carry on forever. Actually youll be a 48 year old man hanging around at newsagent. Everything that a 50 year buy from year old man will buy you from some year old man will buy you from sonyeah, itll and itll be yeah, itll be. And itll be a state. Yeah. A Proper Police state. Yeah. Which is. Which maybe which is. Which is maybe the dream what the powers dream of what . What the powers that want. That be want. Feel slightly i mean i feel slightly ambivalent this. Ambivalent on this. Ive got to say. I would imagine generally speaking, gb news of limited news our audience of a limited aryan would that aryan bent would think that adults can choose for themselves whether but on whether to smoke or not. But on the theyve it the other hand, theyve made it so ridiculously expensive. Its such a hostile environment for smokers. Does feel like, smokers. Now it does feel like, should just let other should we just let the other shoe and ban outright . Shoe drop and ban it outright . Would sense . Would that not make more sense . Its obviously teetering in unsustainably on the edge of that, isnt it . What do you think, nick . Well, yeah, i almost dont like talking about this because ill online because i ill get hate online because i am freedom side. Am more on the freedom side. And as i said you before, and as i said to you before, talking pipe talking believed that pipe smoking good and smoking was a moral good and i understand all that, but i personally hate smoking so much that always say im a fascist that i always say im a fascist on this one issue. But im not saying i would go with im just saying with the ban. Im just saying part me is not against part of me is not as against it as normally should be. As i normally should be. I know you mean. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Say, a stand and i have to say, as a stand up when they up comic as well, when they banned the banned indoor smoking, the environment for performing, it improved. I mean, improved immeasurably. I mean, it had a little bit maybe some of atmosphere missing. Of the atmosphere was missing. You photogenic nature you know, the photogenic nature of jazz club vibe. Of the sort of jazz club vibe. Eventually, over time , but eventually, over time, people would have banned smoking inside. They wouldnt have inside. They wouldnt have banned it wouldnt been banned it. It wouldnt have been a like a law, but there would be like you place where you go into a place where theyre people theyre smoking and people wouldnt wouldnt visited. Mean, occasionally. You visited. Go ean, occasionally. You visited. Go ean, otremember you visited. Goean, o remember| you visited. Go ean, otremember i think| ever go like i remember i think the time for was the last time for me was probably something probably abu dhabi or Something Like five like that massive five star hotel, and like that massive five star hotel and and like that massive five star hoteland people and like that massive five star hoteland people smoking and like that massive five star hoteland people smoking ind floor and people smoking in there. It was almost like watching really watching something really unsanitary, foul unsanitary, like some foul primitive activity. Anyway and nietzsche said, i cant say im against it. Nietzsche said, what is falling . Against it. Nietzsche said, what is fwe1g . Against it. Nietzsche said, what is fwe must push, but we dont we must push, but we dont need to push it because cigarette smoking is going down. When they make it illegal, its going come right back. Going to come right back. True. Its true. Its true. Wasnt from you, and it wasnt from you, simon. I never saw that coming. Thats. Thats. Yeah. What about he yeah. What about his. He didnt drinking either, didnt like drinking either, though, not how though, so im not sure how sound he was. What about a levels . Sound he was. What about a ia levels replaced a levels will be replaced with that include with exams that include mandatory english and maths. Im going to have this to going to have to give this to nick because the expert nick because nick is the expert in British School system, in the British School system, even though ive had this switching system switching to an american system , majors minors, majors and minors, thats roughly although roughly what they although thats rather thats a College Thing rather than a what do think . Thats a College Thing rather tha its what do think . Thats a College Thing rather tha its thet do think . Thats a College Thing rather tha its the one think . Thats a College Thing rather tha its the one bit think . Thats a College Thing rather tha its the one bit tithe . Its the one bit of the speech actually speech that id actually ignored, honest speech that id actually ign0|you. Honest speech that id actually ign0|you. I honest speech that id actually ign0|you. I mean, honest speech that id actually ign0|you. I mean, im honest speech that id actually ign0|you. I mean, im sure1est speech that id actually ign0|you. I mean, im sure its with you. I mean, im sure its very important. Mean, very important. I mean, scrapping a levels, trying to do, appreciate do, which i appreciate this in theory, its those theory, but its one of those endless its myth of sisyphus endless its a myth of sisyphus kind scenario because youre kind of scenario because youre constantly work constantly trying to work against nature. Against human nature. He to minimise the but he wants to minimise the sort of difference in esteem and status between a levels and what they currently t levels , they currently call t levels, which practical which are more practical qualifications like. Yeah, its similar to an apprenticeship and, and i approve of that, but you will always struggle to convince people to whats the word conceal. There is an academic gap between work hard work and then learning how to use some tools. The question is can the state, can the government change this . And from what i know about this . And from what i know about this country, its micromanaging the educational system. Let the schools decide what they want to do. Take the government out of it. And this would be you could go with that to an extent and say, ive been a long say, ive been saying for a long time, system for schools. Teachers get some choice where spend their voucher. Where they spend their voucher. So you got, get so every child you got, you get six year, can six grand a year, you can spend it some schools it where you want. Some schools might might it where you want. Some schools migh baccalaureate might it where you want. Some schools migh baccalaureate as might it where you want. Some schools migh baccalaureate as they1ight it where you want. Some schools migh baccalaureate as they call. Offer baccalaureate as they call it. Some might offer more it. Some might offer a more american system. Might american system. Some might just say, kid. Just say, well train your kid. Just generally, itll be a liberal education or something better, which which is not take which is which is not take peoples money and not give it out. Out. How about that . How about that . And not saying kids are cool, just like have them. You know what . If theyre not trained, theyre not trained and they has to the they and somebody has to dig the ditches country without ditches in this country without without laboun what do you think, nick . What do you think, nick . Well, i think theres so much more to get on to in this speech, havent even speech, which we havent even touched to yet, which is the big it reveal because it wasnt a big reveal because it wasnt a big reveal because it wasnt a big reveal because it big was it wasnt a big reveal because it big part was it wasnt a big reveal because it big part of was it wasnt a big reveal because it big part of the was it wasnt a big reveal because it big part of the speech. Was the big part of the speech. And he every penny would he said that every penny would be said, im be reinvested. So he said, im scrapping it. But 36 billion is going to the north. Other types investment, in other types of investment, you could argue every penny would the 100 billion he would be the 100 billion that he was would wasted. Would be the 100 billion that he was i would wasted. Would be the 100 billion that he was i thats d wasted. Would be the 100 billion that he was i thats perfectly ted. But i think thats perfectly i people seem to but i think thats perfectly i hs2. People seem to but i think thats perfectly i hs2. I people seem to but i think thats perfectly i hs2. I dontjle seem to but i think thats perfectly i hs2. I dont most em to but i think thats perfectly i hs2. I dont most people think hs2. I dont most people many people think it a many people think it was a mistake. So i think going mistake. So i think hes going to trouble for to get in too much trouble for that. The big question for me is, this enough . Is, was this speech enough . They needed a kind of hail mary. I dont think it was that it was decent. Sunak always dont think it was that it was decent across sunak always dont think it was that it was decent across smartrunak always dont think it was that it was decent across smart , nak always dont think it was that it was decent across smart , nice, lways comes across smart, nice, intelligent. About intelligent. He cares about fiscal responsibility. His wife gave him a great intro, which was to see. Intro, which was nice to see. And a world where hes in and in a world where hes in all the photographs as well, shes livened up the shes obviously livened up the picture. Interesting, it was interesting, but was it my question, im thats my question, and im not and not quite sure it was. And farage, as we know, has been dominating the conference. My big prediction im the first person farage big prediction im the first pers get farage big prediction im the first pers get the farage big prediction im the first pers get the tories. � age will get into the tories. Become leader and he he will become leader and he will win a general election. Given at ive even given a date at 2029, person. 2029, not the first person. Im the ring, but the first person to ring, but maybe this show, number one, maybe on this show, number one, it has been an ovennhelmingly positive front positive reaction on the front pages, front page, which is pages, one front page, which is possibly heretical , is the guardian. And they also have a story about england being the most difficult place to find home. Difficult place to find a home. Yeah. So england most yeah. So england most difficult place to find a home. It much does what says it pretty much does what it says on quite shocking on the tin. Quite shocking really. The really. It comes from the organisation for Economic Cooperation and development. Organisation for economic coowho. Ion and development. Organisation for economic coowho could d development. Organisation for economic coowho could haveielopment. Organisation for economic coowho could haveielbetterlt. Organisation for economic coowho could haveielbetter name . But the idea is that england has the percentage has the lowest percentage of vacant capita and vacant homes per capita and other problems where a quarter of private renters are overburdened housing costs overburdened by housing costs and so on. Plus they dont even mention, as as i can see, mention, as far as i can see, that whole process is a that the whole process is a nightmare you try buy nightmare when you try and buy a home could fall home in england could fall through any time. It can go through at any time. It can go on for. The thing thats but the worst thing thats happened but the worst thing thats happe atd but the worst thing thats happe at the moment is home at the moment surely is the elevation of interest rates. Right. That has made it extraordinarily this extraordinarily difficult. This is the thing cant control. Yeah, well, dont mention that million that there are a Million People coming this coming into the country this yean coming into the country this year. And you know this year. And you know what this is . This thats this is something thats been put the builders put up by the Home Builders federation more federation who want more building. Is basically building. So this is basically this is a pr pitch. Its not its a non news item. Youre only going to get that. Well, thats the way the news operates these days. But youre that youre only going to get that from who build from people who want to build houses, but theyre not necessarily to necessarily evil for wanting to do that. Theyre that do that. Theyre asking that most i think observers most i think neutral observers say laws are say that planning laws are extraordinarily draconian and impenetrable in this way. Impenetrable in this way. They dont they dont say that. And reason. Yeah and for good reason. Yeah because youve got environmental laws. It is very difficult. Can i just say one more thing well . Just say one more thing as well . Yeah. Gone yeah. The guardian have gone with ignites with the idea that sunak ignites tory after claiming tory civil war after claiming hes candidate. Hes the change candidate. Pitch that is a difficult pitch when for 13 when youve been in for 13 years. Trying to years. Yeah, hes trying to be the candidate. The change candidate. Hes having starmer and it having a pop at starmer and it sounds like theyre the opposition and starmer is in. Thats strange is going opposition and starmer is in. Th drift strange is going opposition and starmer is in. Th drift to strange is going opposition and starmer is in. Th drift to blairismi going opposition and starmer is in. Th drift to blairism and 1g to drift back to blairism and finish with the daily star finish off with the daily star very quickly. Hit the skids. Weve really hit the skids. Bogroll epidemic. What dont bogroll epidemic. What i dont understand theres a lot understand well, theres a lot of criminality going on out there because. No , because the laws because no, because the laws are enforced and are not being enforced and people arent being punished. I mean, is it because the laws arent enforced or is because arent enforced or is it because theres in the theres been a change in the Natural Inclination of people just to respect the law . Because think shoplifting because i think shoplifting would to police if would be impossible to police if everyone started doing it . Well, it be easy police if it would be easy to police if they somebody and maybe they arrested somebody and maybe killed them. People need to killed. But people need to be killed. Im need to be im not saying they need to be killed. Making joke killed. Im making a joke when i say of course. But at the say that, of course. But at the end of the day, people used to be australia. Be used to be sent to australia. They killed , and then they used to be killed, and then they australia they were sent to australia for stealing. They were sent to australia for ste. Weg. Dont have the sort we just dont have the sort of moral code the of moral, the moral code of the pastoralist communities. The shepherds knew that you wouldnt be able to protect all your flocks, the flocks, so you had to make the punishment so punishment for stealing ones. So extraordinarily vicious. Got i didnt well, if youve got i didnt think shepherds come so think shepherds would come up so early in the show tonight. Getting shepherds in im getting shepherds in earlier every night. Earlier and earlier every night. Do you have anything on do you have anything to say on that go to the break . I think theyre going to were about were talking later about vigilantes civil arrests. Vigilantes and civil arrests. So theyre people theyre going have to get people are for are going to be tackled for trying bog roll out of trying to get bog roll out of the shop. Well, i think there is something we well, i think there is somithing we well, i think there is somithing one we well, i think there is somithing one the we well, i think there is somithing one the other we see i think one of the other things all talking things is and were all talking about social about this all the time, social media of the world perceptions of how the world works. Much video works. We see so much video content nowadays of people behaving , often behaving badly in shops, often from america. Target and walmart. You know, people just blatantly shoplifting. I cant blatantly shoplifting. I cant be surprised that thats not shoplifting. Shoplifting. Thats rioting and looting, rioting and looting. Take a look into the lets take a look into the next break. We have karl urban footprints in the sand and carnivore dogs in the doghouse. Thats all coming up in the next section. Keep it here. Well see you in radio. And welcome back to headliners. Im simon evans joined tonight by Louis Schaefer and nick dixon. So louis we kick off nick dixon. So louis we kick off this section with the times and a new Police Initiative which should liven up the shop i well, im not saying its a new Police Initiative because it was it was presented at some at the at some fringe event at the tory conference. This guy chris philp. Yeah. Is that the way you pronounce his name . I think so, yeah. Chris philp i think thats a romanian name. I actually looked the minister looked it up. Hes the minister for for crime policing and for state for crime policing and fire, and hes advocating retail was basically only grabbing people by the leg and doing a citizens arrest and indeed fellow shoppers as well. Fellow shoppers as well. Citizens arrest, of course, is one of those. Its almost a sort of mythical all possibility, isnt it, in you usually learn about it when youre 14 or 15 and you start fantasising about superhero action until you try it action until until you try it and you get arrested because youve used too much force or youve used too much force or you get stabbed, of course. Or i mean, i cant imagine many situations im 58. Maybe its not aimed maybe its a not aimed at me. Maybe its a young game. Citizens young mans game. Citizens arrest, but i wouldnt recommend it anyone i know. It to anyone i know. We reached the no, its. We reached the vigil stage our culture. Vigil stage of our culture. Encourage vigilantism. I mean, its in a time its extraordinary in a time where people have knives and will stab you just for fun, machetes. Yes. Swords. The machetes. Yes. Swords. The idea that you should be tackling people. I that you should be tackling people. I mean, philip that you should be tackling people. I mean, philip here says people. I mean, philip here says that where its safe to do so i think where where is it safe . Singapore. Where is it safe to do so . Really old lady taking a tin of cat food and you just read it, the magna carta. And you know that youre well, know that youre probably, well, someone some of, like, know that youre probably, well, someon deformity ne of, like, know that youre probably, well, someondeformityne somethinge, know that youre probably, well, someondeformityne something. Genital deformity or something. Somebody who is, really somebody who is, like, really in. Not that im in bad shape. Not that im against any of that. I look at in bad shape. Not that im agatie. Any of that. I look at in bad shape. Not that im agatie. You of that. I look at in bad shape. Not that im agatie. You didntt. I look at in bad shape. Not that im agatie. You didnt mention at in bad shape. Not that im agatie. You didnt mention my my tie. You didnt mention my tie. Look at dee dee dee tie. Look at my tie. Dee dee dee john mauger got this tie from maybe or something. Maybe carry mace or something. That. Thats that. Thats that. You know what . No, you its, you know what . No, you cant it. Because that would cant do it. Because that would be probably some be that would be probably some violation of some british engush violation of some british engalso terrible because we saw also terrible because we saw it america where it happen in america where daniel penny tackled that guy and a manslaughter and ended up with a manslaughter charge. Even police charge. And even the police here are their guns are handing over their guns because protected. Because theyre not protected. What protection am i going to have i. How you punch what protection am i going to hav in i. How you punch what protection am i going to hav in sainsburys . You punch guy in sainsburys . Is. The i know it is. The supermarkets have come supermarkets and co op have come up occasionally. How up by name occasionally. How about a red button on about you have a red button on the that allows citizen the door that allows a citizen to just close doors until to just close the doors until help and then you can help arrives and then you can all run around shop . All just run around the shop . Well, seen in well, ive seen that in america. That. And america. They have that. And then is they smash then what they do is they smash through cause an through it and they cause an unbelievable of. Unbelievable amount of. Problem go the other problem is they go that the guy that pressed that was the guy that pressed the red last and the red button last week and then gets you. Then the whole gang gets you. Yeah, the yeah, nick, staying with the times, get moment times, time to get a moment of self examination and reflection out the way. Out of the way. Story coming from this story is coming from inside the house. Yeah. Thanks for one to for giving this one to me. Laurence by this is laurence fox by gb news arrested over ulez news and arrested over ulez vandalism claim. Now the first part will come as no surprise. Sadly, weve heard. I think enough about that probably. And i laurence best he i wish laurence the best and he knows thats knows that. And thats unfortunate. Second was unfortunate. The second part was outrageous. These police came to outrageous. These police came to his house. Theres so many more things the could be doing things the police could be doing there house, there in laurence foxs house, looking for evidence that hes the of the guy behind the the sort of the guy behind the ulez, the blade runners. Hes the kingpin of the blade runners and, you know, you think of all the other things the police could be doing. Now, there is the that laurence the argument that laurence is sort of implied that he would take down and take these cameras down and therefore, perhaps hes asking for again, for it. But then again, you go chris on channel 4 on Chris Packham on channel 4 on a state broadcaster , openly state owned broadcaster, openly said, its time to start said, i think its time to start breaking law. Is there breaking the law. So is there a two Justice System . Two tier Justice System . And we have to ask . And its funny, actually quite funny, theyre actually on quite similar grounds well, arent similar grounds as well, arent they . On the climate they . Its all on the climate crisis. Seems there crisis. So it seems like there is okay to break the is like its okay to break the law you anxious the law if you are anxious about the climate , but not if youre climate, but not if youre anxious people trying to anxious about people trying to use climate in to order roll use the climate in to order roll out draconian measures against motorists. What do you think . Well i think its i think the whole thing is a tragedy because it affects us here at news, it affects us here at gb news, because, personally , you because, i mean, personally, you could say said something wrong. He said something illegal. But the fact is, is that seven police come to the guys house without a warrant. You dont need in this country. Need a warrant in this country. What soviet union . I what is this, soviet union . I dont know. I mean, no sense i mean, there is no sense that theres any connection between should between the two. So we should make i make that absolutely clear. I dont the police there is dont think the police there is there connection. There is a connection. They would have they they would not have they would arrested if would not have arrested him if he affiliated with gb he wasnt affiliated with gb news. That means any one of us. He wasnt affiliated with gb neils. That means any one of us. He wasnt affiliated with gb neil certainlyeans any one of us. He wasnt affiliated with gb neii certainly dont|ny one of us. He wasnt affiliated with gb neii certainly dont knowe of us. He wasnt affiliated with gb neii certainly dont know that. Is. I certainly dont know that. We have no of that. We have no way of knowing that. And no indication and theres no indication hes been hes been certainly advocating damage. The question is, they will as will emerge is, as they will as will emerge in the courts, i imagine, is whether advocating is whether or not advocating it is considered to be a sort of accessory before. Well, i apologise, but thats okay. I mean, but i think we have to be clear that there is no suggestion moment. To be clear that there is no sug no, ion moment. To be clear that there is no sug no, there moment. To be clear that there is no sug no, there is moment. To be clear that there is no sug no, there is a moment. To be clear that there is no sug no, there is a suggestion, no, there is a suggestion, but not. Not it but there may not. It may not it may fact. So were going may not be fact. So were going to well, going to say, well, were going to leave open. But it looks very leave it open. But it looks very dodgy. To say dodgy. Are we allowed to say that, dodgy . That, that it looks dodgy . Allowed say that. Youre allowed to say that. I think to recognise that think we have to recognise that the police would dispute that. Yes, at the moment. Say that thats okay. You can say that thats your a connected good. Your job, not a connected good. Good simon. Thats your good job, simon. Thats your job. Balance balance in a place where we know and Climate Change, tourism rather than activism was we used to call it telly. I think this is yeah, well, well, ive been thinking about this a lot, about travelling around world. Around the world. So this, this holiday and so this, this holiday firm, intrepid, intrepid travel, put out a little press release and thats what these thats what more and more of the news is. Intrepid travel wanted is. So intrepid travel wanted their name in the newspaper so they did survey where they did a little survey where they did a little survey where they said what are the trends in Climate Change, tourism . Whats going climate going to happen with Climate Change, and change, tourism . Greece and majorca are going to be on fire and so people wont be able to go there. So going go there. So theyre going to go slovenia, slovakia, fire. To public they used to be a Public Information films about that in the 70s. Throw a wet tea cloth over it. That right . Or was oh, is that right . Or was that a campfire . That was that song fire. That was song wheels on fire. That was that the other one. And so that was the other one. And so and is this. So this is and so this is this. So this is saying be scared. The kids are saying be scared. The kids are scared. Listen, the truth is , if scared. Listen, the truth is, if the Climate Change is as serious as suggesting, britain the Climate Change is as serious as be suggesting, britain the Climate Change is as serious as be a uggesting, britain the Climate Change is as serious as be a destinationiritain the Climate Change is as serious as be a destination andin the Climate Change is as serious as be a destination and will will be a destination and will be earning fortune, will be earning a fortune, will be able overtake france. Able to overtake france. What you think . What do you think . What do you think . Undennater . Wont we be undennater . Well, no, glorious. No, well be well be glorious. Just be like 32 degrees. Guatemala. Yeah. Well, this guatemala. Yeah. Well, this i mean, yeah, its one of these things that sounds like a conspiracy til it happens. I mean, carbon passports and personal carbon allowances, all very and remember the very dystopian. And remember the c40 cities Group Already suggested that we should have one short haul flight every three years, theyre a group three years, and theyre a group that covers 96 major urban centres in six continents. Theyre group, you theyre a serious group, you know, up with know, and they come up with this bizarre so, know, bizarre stuff. And so, you know, its reality , isnt it . And suppose the question and i suppose the question a question should the ability question is should the ability to travel enjoy long haul . If it does become evident that the world that there is a consensus, rightly or wrongly, that this sort of stuff is, you know, us rightly or wrongly, that this sortof stuff is, you know, us rightly or wrongly, that this sorto an uff is, you know, us rightly or wrongly, that this sorto an uninhabitable w, us rightly or wrongly, that this sorto an uninhabitable earth in all to an uninhabitable earth in all to an uninhabitable earth in a couple of generations, should that can use that be something you can use wealth to overcome, or should it be distributed just fairly . Should if youve got should we say if youve got enough money you pay the enough money you can pay for the carbon offset, fly as carbon offset, you can fly as often or should we often as you want or should we say youve got a thousand miles each bank each per person. You can bank them couple years them for a couple of years and have or you have a decent holiday, or you can breaks, you can have three city breaks, you know mean . Give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe mean . Give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe answerzan . Give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe answer to . Give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe answer to this give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe answer to this question, you the answer to this question, which no one should be which is no one should be thinking about this. Its a waste our time. Im still waste of our time. Im still waiting for the maldives to be flooded. Not flooded flooded. And theyre not flooded and happening. And and nothing is happening. And theyve in theyve got tidal gauges in every major city around the world and theres no increase in the whats going on. The tides in whats going on. And impossible and its almost impossible to measure the water is measure whether the water is going and down. So, listen to going up and down. So, listen to me. Youre so me. Youre only 58. Youre so young. I wouldnt i wouldnt worry. I wouldnt about it worry. I wouldnt worry about it. Im not i am not worried about Climate Change. Now, and experts mirror now, nick and experts claim abuse claim that sexual abuse of children can be no worse than strict parenting. Yeah, strict parenting habit can be as damaging to kids as sexual abuse experts warn. And you immediately think, nah, thats not true. I mean, thats ridiculous. But but its saying 40 of children are affected by verbal abuse and they risk greater. Have a greater greater. They have a greater risk of self harm, drug use, and even life. Even jail time in later life. I dont means greater dont know if that means greater than just than sexual abuse or just greater than greater than than sexual abuse or just greaididntn greater than than sexual abuse or just greaididnt get greater than than sexual abuse or just greaididnt get verbalter than than sexual abuse or just greaididnt get verbal abusen than sexual abuse or just greaididnt get verbal abuse. They didnt get verbal abuse. Yeah. Yeah. So they talk yeah. Yeah. And so they talk about by about this characterised by shouting, yelling , denigrating shouting, yelling, denigrating the hasnt done the child. Well, who hasnt done that . I mean, im not a parent, but, know, i think the but, you know, i think the conclusion simon, conclusion is. Simon, its better them. I think better to hit them. I think thats thats what thats what thats what im getting piece. Mean, thats what thats what im gettircan piece. Mean, thats what thats what im gettircan you piece. Mean, thats what thats what im gettircan you fyou�. Mean, thats what thats what im gettircan you fyou�. Meanjdo what can you do . You couldnt do it, right . It is famously its i mean, it is famously its one newspaper i mean, it is famously its one endlessly newspaper i mean, it is famously its one endlessly guilt newspaper i mean, it is famously its one endlessly guilt nnyouiaper has endlessly guilt trip you about, that much. Too much, about, not that much. Too much, too less more less. About, not that much. Too much, too course, more less. About, not that much. Too much, too course, also more less. About, not that much. Too much, too course, also the ore less. About, not that much. Too much, too course, also the parents but of course, also the parents are constantly not getting enough sleep. Constantly infuriated , constantly trying to infuriated, constantly trying to balance all kinds of one childs well behaved. The other one isnt well behaved. What do you do . Behaved see do . Let the well behaved one see that. The other one goes unpunished . Impossible job. Impossible. Well, this is i think nick is right, basically its right, because basically its saying childhood verbal saying that childhood verbal abuse, shouting, yelling, threatening and criticising a child unfairly is not strict parenting , its abuse. And so parenting, its abuse. And so its not that strict parenting , its not that strict parenting, as the headline says , strict as the headline says, strict parenting habit can be damaging to kids. No, its not that its damaging. Its a bad parenting is damaging. Its a kid screaming at kids. Theres always this distinction drawn in all the parenting manuals between authoritative and authoritarian, essentially. So are you are you like behaving like a tyrant, like behaving like a tyrant, like a dictator, which who has no or is it the rule of law and youre strict in enforcing . You have both of those. Well, no, you dont to well, no, you dont need to be then. Be a tyrant because then. You be. But no, but you have to be. But youre boss. You have youre still the boss. You have to authoritarian. To be authoritarian. Youve got to be authoritarian. Youve got to youre not to tell the kid youre not running street because running into the street because if authoritarian and that if youre authoritarian and that means source of the means youre the source of the law,. Law, youre judged. You at some times you need to you at some times you youre not going you need to say youre not going into road. Into that road. Sometimes you to say , sometimes you need to say, you not me. You know what, its not me. All the time dont a rule all the time you dont need to be with. So youre yeah, well, so youre enforcing into enforcing it. Youre going into the to be in the road. Youre going to be in trouble. Now, louis, trouble. Guardian now, louis, im good dogs. Trouble. Guardian now, louis, im good dogs. Im a very im a very good dogs. Im a very good parent. Are. In theory, of course you are. In theory, i was. It was for of years it was for a couple of years before stopped my kids. Before i stopped seeing my kids. Anyway so vegan dogs , dogs. Anyway so vegan dogs, dogs. Sorry. Is in the guardian. Sorry. This is in the guardian. Of course. The guardian is pushing veganism. Its. Theyre saying dogs going vegan saying worlds dogs going vegan could more emissions than could save more emissions than the produces. And these are the uk produces. And these are researchers at the university of winchester. Theyre saying that they are trying to get convinced dogs and cats to go vegan or the people who own them to go vegan and because because theyre eating plant. It is a lie , a eating plant. It is a lie, a total lie, which is animals cause co2 increases. Thats a lie. Its a lie that co2 increases are destroying the planet , the whole thing. Youve planet, the whole thing. Youve got to start come in and say, lewis, most people dont believe this, but this is a lie. And anyway, dogs are omnivorous. But basically carnivorous. They eat a lot. I agree that dogs dont really like eating a vegetable and neither do i. Am surprised. Im amazed theyre saying like ten. If they could cut out all Something Like 10 of the animal food thats produced. So food thats thats produced. So it goes into dogs , thats extraordinary. But you know what . It has no relationship with with pollution. Has and which pollution. And it has and which whatever pollutant, not even pollution with this Climate Change ridiculousness. Change ridiculousness. What do you think, nick . What do you think, nick . Well, its dog abuse, isnt it . Weve already it . I mean, weve already domesticated dogs taking them from humiliated them from wolves and humiliated them and now cant even eat and now they cant even eat meat, which is appalling. And then , well, dont then you think, well, why dont they pets . And then you think, well, why dont they there pets . And then you think, well, why dont they there been pets . And then you think, well, why dont they there been suggested that there has been suggested by these remember . So thats where this they go, this goes. And then they go, why dont get people . Dont we just get rid of people . Must planet. No must be a lovely planet. Just no one thats where it goes. One on it. Thats where it goes. Exactly right. Thats nick is exactly right. Thats exactly what its all about. I do think we hate people and we ate peoples dogs and pets. Ate peoples dogs and pets. I do think possibly that, you know, weve seen like lab know, weve seen things like lab grown the fake and all grown meat and the fake and all that stuff no human that stuff and no, no human really that stuff. That stuff and no, no human real maybe that stuff. That stuff and no, no human real maybe couldiat stuff. That stuff and no, no human real maybe couldiat saway but maybe we could get away with that you cant. That with dogs. No, you cant. Bill is my friend. Bill gates is my friend. Bill gates is my friend. One of my closest dog meat. One of my closest friends had a beautiful, beautiful that beautiful dog, even a dog that i liked. A dog lover liked. And im not a dog lover and a beautiful died of and a beautiful dog died of cancer crunchy cancer because she ate a crunchy , plant diet that say, plant based diet that say, a crunchy bar. Horrible that is it for part two. Coming up , for part two. Coming up, we have for part two. Coming up , we have witchcraft coming up, we have witchcraft in animals in heaven and in devon. Animals in heaven and naughty keegan and kevin. A little bit of a twist there to make that work. But anyway , make that work. But anyway, hopefully its satisfied you. Well a couple of theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Radio. And welcome back to headliners. So the guardian now, nick Exeter University is likely to become Exeter University. Oh yeah. Get it . Yeah, i got it. Its good. But of course they wont get it yet until i explain the story, which is that British University offers masters degree occult. Degree in magic and the occult. So as you say, university of exeter and theres an interesting line here. This is exeter and theres an inteiguardian|e here. This is exeter and theres an inteiguardian byiere. This is exeter and theres an inteiguardian byiere. Way. Is the guardian by the way. It says, been getting the guardian by the way. It sayscrystals been getting the guardian by the way. It sayscrystals manifesting ng the guardian by the way. It sayscrystals manifesting your into crystals manifesting your dream board or exploring feminist readings of witchcraft, i thought youre probably a guardian the actual guardian reader, but the actual answer you can take your guardian reader, but the actual answeito you can take your guardian reader, but the actual answeito the] can take your guardian reader, but the actual answeito the next take your guardian reader, but the actual answeito the next leveltake your guardian reader, but the actual answeito the next level with {our hobby to the next level with basically a degree satanism. Basically a degree in satanism. Thats and you know thats what it is. And you know what . Think this okay to what . I think this is okay to study were study academically if you were doing , but doing it purely objectively, but thats the vibe i thats not really the vibe i get. They talk about decolonisation. Was the decolonisation. That was the thing i noticed. Turning into shes turning it into a decolonisation stroke. Racism feminism. Its being made into a left wing thing. Whereas actually the occult and magic thats neutral politically , thats neutral politically, right . Theres people, a lot of people are into that quite people are into that are quite right and the right wing libertarian and the church of satan. Not really tends to be leftist. Days, but yeah, leftist. These days, but yeah, exactly. Decolonisation feminism, anti racism and theyre talking about the growth of this kind of thing, which is because of the decline in organised another way organised religion. Another way of declined of putting it is weve declined from christianity satanism. From christianity to satanism. The da it all started with the da vinci course which vinci code. Of course, which re established the notion of like divine feminine like the divine feminine as being at the heart of all true religions and the and the patriarchal Catholic Church having ruined what do you having ruined that. What do you think, louis . Having ruined that. What do you thiri. , louis . Having ruined that. What do you thiri didnti . Having ruined that. What do you thiri didnt i having ruined that. What do you thiri didnti didnt having ruined that. What do you thiri didnt i didnt read that book. You didnt read it . No. You didnt read it . No. This this is this i mean, this this is this sounds like one of those classes at school where that sounds like really fun and really easy and you get there and the teacher is like saying, were going to this is serious business, and you just regret taking took just regret taking it. I took a course like this at bard college called leisure, thought called leisure, and i thought it was so easy. Was going to be so easy. I im going to say, you i mean, im going to say, you know, if you know, 30 years ago, if you wanted do a degree in magic, wanted to do a degree in magic, good luck to you. Now youre wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito k to you. Now youre wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito comeou. Now youre wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito come outnow youre wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito come out ofn youre wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito come out of thatjre wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito come out of that with going to come out of that with 50 debt, at 50 grands worth of debt, at least youre going to wonder how many to employ many people are going to employ you. Going to open many people are going to employ y shop . Going to open a shop . Necessarily vocation not necessarily vocation in new not necessarily vocation in neiunless you become it feels unless you become it feels like actual of luxury anyway i louis gay sex in the Animal Kingdom that valuable kingdom that serves a valuable purpose. , nothing to do purpose. And yes, nothing to do with purpose. And yes, nothing to do witino, its nothing but gay sex no, its nothing but gay sex between animals evolved for a very reason. And the very important reason. And the reason that animals are reason is, is that animals are really, really beautiful. Really, really beautiful. Theyre just lovely. Lovely doe eyes and lovely rumps. And between animals here, not between animals. Between animals. Okay. Anyway, i guess its not gay sex then. These are researchers in spain who are saying that there are 1500 species who are who have some kind of gay sex thing. And. And and. And so they did a review of the studies and they came up with an answer, which is not an answer. Its just like a guess of why these animals are getting along. Non story along. This is a total non story because they said thats getting along. Animals can along. Because if animals can have sex each other in the have sex with each other in the absence of opposite sex absence of mates of opposite sex mates, is that they can get along better with each other. Along better with each other. So the idea is it reduces intrasexual competition, which can to bloodshed and can lead to bloodshed and destroy species. Destroy the species. Well, thats not covered that well article. Well in the article. My favourite trying well in the article. My faifigure trying well in the article. My faifigure theyreing well in the article. My faifigure theyre doing to figure out why theyre doing it and it says it includes cases of identity, of mistaken identity, limited availability partners availability of partners or sexual. So its sexual frustration. So its essentially shortsightedness , essentially shortsightedness, you know, prison conditions or incels. Basically theyre incels. This is animal incels we talked before about rene girard , probably rene girard. You talk about quite recent philosopher of french origin taught in stanford , taught peter thiel, stanford, taught peter thiel, the great investor , and taught the great investor, and taught him everything he knows and he has this theory that all desire is mimetic. You only want what you want, what you see other people wanting, what see people wanting, what you see there that this people wanting, what you see thercreate that this people wanting, what you see thercreate a that this people wanting, what you see thercreate a lot that this people wanting, what you see thercreate a lot of that this people wanting, what you see thercreate a lot of friction this people wanting, what you see thercreate a lot of friction in s can create a lot of friction in human as well. All men human societies as well. All men tend decide 2 women tend to decide that 1 or 2 women are most ones. Are the most beautiful ones. There scant there may be very scant difference , but as soon they difference, but as soon as they start become most desired start to become the most desired or because they or women like you because they see attractive see you with an attractive woman, exactly woman, thats classic. Exactly who with. Who they associate you with. A powerful or an expensive powerful watch or an expensive car, whatever. And an apple guy. Im pointing this one, im not pointing this one, but you know, your man understands im not pointing this one, but yotthisiw, your man understands im not pointing this one, but yotthis anyway,man understands im not pointing this one, but yotthis anyway, son understands im not pointing this one, but yotthis anyway, son un isrstands all this anyway, so this is where says awful lot of where he says an awful lot of inter tribal aggression comes from this because you cant all have the same thing. And it seems like animals have found a solution this. Solution to this. Who came up solution to this. That who came up solution to this. That stuff who came up solution to this. That stuff was ho came up solution to this. That stuff was probably up with that stuff was probably thorstein , if you thorstein veblen, if you know him. Did the theory, the him. And he did the theory, the theory the of the theory of the work of the leisure class is the idea of conspicuous consumption, right . And from the 1900s. And that was from the 1900s. Anyway, theres no such thing as gay sex. Can i say the gb news can i just say the gb news haters . Sorry if they heard simons position on giroux, simons diss position on giroux, theyd the theyd be like, this is not the channel ive channel i thought, sorry, ive missed you. And thinking of the footballer. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Singapore news now in the guardian. Nick its putting ulez guardian. Nick its putting ulez into perspective. Certainly. Yeah. This is certificate to yeah. This is certificate to own a car in singapore. Rockets to 106,000, which is extraordinary. It just seems extraordinary. It just seems absolutely mad. I mean , itjust absolutely mad. I mean, itjust seems to be that is the case. Its just rocketed. Its all to do with demand. And it was it was less during the pandemic then it went up. Then it went up. This is essentially congestion charge. But you pay for one right. And congestion charge. But you pay for kind one right. And its kind of. Yeah. And whats so shocking is, know, people talked yeah. And whats so shocking is, singaporeople talked yeah. And whats so shocking is, singaporeoplithames. About singapore on thames. You thought meant some sort of thought that meant some sort of free market paradise. Actually just rationing just means a sort of rationing system where its hard system where its very hard to afford thrown jail afford even a car thrown in jail for well, thats afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. Well, thats afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. At well, thats afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. At leastiiell, thats afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. At least they thats afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. At least they solved the thing. At least they solved the thing. At least they solved the what . Well have the crime. What . Well have if we down route a sort we go down this route is a sort of authoritarian of crime ridden authoritarian hellhole. At least they sort the hellhole. At least they sort the gun problem. This gun problem. But this sociologist is saying that sociologist tan is saying that its the singapore dream that you have cash condominium and a car which is not a great dream. But that gone and car which is not a great dream. Busays that gone and car which is not a great dream. Busays the at gone and car which is not a great dream. Busays the dream gone and car which is not a great dream. Busays the dream ofie and car which is not a great dream. Busays the dream of a and car which is not a great dream. Busays the dream of a good and car which is not a great dream. Busays the dream of a good life he says the dream of a good life has gone. Now its enough has gone. Now its a good enough life. Have. Life. Well, they have. Mean, ive been to i mean, its ive been to singapore of times. Singapore a couple of times. I cant you. I really like, singapore a couple of times. I cani you. I really like, singapore a couple of times. I cani dontou. I really like, singapore a couple of times. I cani dont imi really like, singapore a couple of times. I cani dont im not|lly like, singapore a couple of times. I cani dont im not|lly ligreat but i dont im not that great in of level of in that kind of level of temperature and humidity. But its the most its often held up as the most success. Awful, like city state of the last 50 years. Right. It took it from nothing, probably by cyclists. Poverty to its i think the second most like capitalist successful wealthy and yet it just seems to be incredibly dysfunctional in so many ways. Well they have to do it. They have to do it because of the whatever. Im not going to discuss with you, but discuss singapore with you, but it is dysfunctional. But the point the point is, is this is in the guardian, and point is, is this is in the guardie basically and point is, is this is in the guardiebasically preparing us, theyre basically preparing us, nick and simon, for these kind of draconian taxes to prevent us from owning cars to be net zero because they dont want us to drive. They dont want us to go anywhere. They want us to die. Yeah. For balance, i do agree. I also like the position of on a story singapore refusing story about singapore refusing to discuss with you. To discuss singapore with you. Yeah eccentric position as if its some perversion of or some perversion of mine or something hes always something else. No hes always on singapore , yet more on about singapore, yet more vegan news enrage you now, vegan news to enrage you now, lewis. And it seems that carnivores lack genes lewis. And it seems that ca go ores lack genes lewis. And it seems that ca go vegetarianick genes lewis. And it seems that ca go vegetarian. K genes lewis. And it seems that ca go vegetarian. Is genes lewis. And it seems that ca go vegetarian. Is that enes lewis. And it seems that ca go vegetarian. Is that right . To go vegetarian. Is that right . Yeah. Well, thats what they you know, this is another of you know, this is another one of those is theres a study those stories is theres a study in plos one, which is a publication , a science publication, a science publication, a science publication that says that says that some of its headline is meat eaters may not have the gene genes to cope with vegetarianism , you need special vegetarianism, you need special genes that vegetarians are able to actually live on a vegetarian diet. The question is, what is a vegetarian diet . Does it include eggs . Does it include cheese . We dont know what it is anyway. Do they mean a vegan diet . A vegan diet untenable. Its because diet is untenable. Its because it it misses 15 or more it has it misses 15 or more necessary nutrient. Necessary nutrient. And what i suppose is the question about cravings. And to be honest, think thats more be honest, i think thats more like than than like grease and salt than than some. Its what people think some. Its not what people think of as cravings. I dont of as meat cravings. I dont think cravings. Think those are meat cravings. I think those are meat cravings. I think cravings for some think theyre cravings for some flavour. , they are not. Flavour. No, no, they are not. As a person who eats 100 meat and my thai says beef is not its your body is not a craving. Its your body is missing necessary nutrients, missing the necessary nutrients, of which there are 15 that are not in a vegan diet. Of which there are 15 that are not in a vegan diet. Leucine, not in a vegan diet. Leucine, all this stuff is not in there, so its not in the genes. I mean, the genes do affect whether or not your tie is in close up. Genes do affect whether not the you can give whether or not the you can give up smoking, for instance. Thats been proven. Some people find generation wont have face it. Thanks to rishi. Thats right but yeah have to say but yeah i mean i have to say i agree with louis again. I mean, vegetables make me ill and vegetarians me ill. Vegetarians make me ill. But its apparently 64 of self identified vegetarians still eat fish or poultry. Its a myth. You cant actually a a myth. You cant actually be a vegetarian. What were vegetarian. This is what were learning. Like occasionally except for, like occasionally theres some 102 year old woman on somewhere only on an island somewhere who only eat whatever. But eat algae or whatever. But mainly, a myth. Mainly, i think its a myth. It is a myth. It is a myth. It is a myth. It is a myth. Times now we balance. Times now we need balance. Kevin showing every one kevin keegan showing every one of years, as claims , of his 72 years, as he claims, womens is not womens football is not identical to mens. Good luck to kevin. Yeah, good luck to kevin. Kevin criticises lady kevin keegan criticises lady footballers talking about england so i mean, look, england men. So i mean, look, obviously totally against obviously were totally against any kind of misogyny, but you know , kevin keegan has said know, kevin keegan has said hes not it. He doesnt not as keen on it. He doesnt really to the ladies really listen to the ladies talking about england mens talking about the england mens team think team because he doesnt think its the same experience. He thinks game. Thinks its a different game. Essentially, though, did essentially, though, he did concede terry yorath essentially, though, he did concede daughterr yorath essentially, though, he did concede daughter ,yorath essentially, though, he did concede daughter , meaning gabby yoraths daughter, meaning gabby logan, is good. So you know, its fair enough. Really. Its a lot of people feel this way. Youre not really allowed to say it, its a different game. It, but its a different game. You the men have played it, but its a different game. You game the men have played it, but its a different game. You game. Ie men have played it, but its a different game. You game. Womenhave played it, but its a different game. You game. Womenhavecomeed on that game. Women can come out on the and some people that game. Women can come out on the think and some people that game. Women can come out on the think two and some people that game. Women can come out on the think two cross ome people that game. Women can come out on the think two cross over. eople dont think the two cross over. To although i tend to agree, although i suppose i am always feel a bit of a hypocrite because i dont really like watching football that still that much anyway. But i still feel kind of feel its a bit more kind of authentic see somebody authentic when you see somebody who theyve had who looks as if theyve had a few on pitch. Few bruises on the pitch. I mean, thats youre mean, i guess thats what youre doing doing doing is, is youre doing the right youre right thing, which is youre judging this article based on the which is kevin the headline, which is kevin keegan lady keegan criticised lady footballers. Footballers. Yeah, but the truth is there was there was very was very little there was very little criticism, says little criticism, he says the presenters, we have now, meaning the lady. Of girls are the lady. Some of the girls are so better than the so good they are better than the guys. Its great time for the guys. Its a great time for the ladies to be presenters , so its ladies to be presenters, so its hardly a criticism. Hardly a criticism. You no, the only criticism he made was he was saying when you watch mans game and you have watch a mans game and you have an x womans an x female an x, an x womans an x female player rather than commentator. Yeah, she says, what would yeah, she says, what i would have done in that situation or what like, yeah , but what we and hes like, yeah, but it might not work in the mens game because different game because its a different situation. Actually quite situation. Hes actually quite pro. Women pro. Hes certainly pro women playing, right . Yeah. And because manager and because he was a manager , right about this , youre right about this. This is is lying. Is the time is lying. It for this section in thats it for this section in the final section we have fitbit, fat lit, black cat and tit for tat got through it. See to welcome back to the final part of headliners lewis kick us off now with the telegraph discussed feminine dietary challenges in language that should surely get them cancelled. Yes because they use the fat word quarter of middle aged women are fit but not fat. Study finds they did a study and they said that 27 of uk women men are metabolically healthy though theyre fat. But at the same time , so this study says theyre time, so this study says theyre healthy , but they should lose healthy, but they should lose weight. They dont. Why should they lose weight if they dont need to lose weight . I want to theyre if i want to know if theyre fat but fit or fit but fat, i feel but fit is they are feel fat. But fit is they are fat but fit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Heres the but they say fit. But fat. But i heres the but they say fit. But fat. But i think its fat. But fat. But i think its fat. But fit isnt it what it is . Going to tell what it im going to tell you what it is actually understand is because i actually understand this in the this thing and it wasnt in the article was on annual article and it was on the annual meeting of the European Association of association for the study of diabetes is that it is possible to be healthy and fat because what fat is, is a way for us to is a way to is a way to keep, to keep stores of food and water for the dark times during wintertime and people in northern climates , 27 of people northern climates, 27 of people in the north can are this way. But but asians and micronesia. But but asians and micronesia. Asians less than 5 because they dont need to store their fat, so they dont have the ability to store fat. So store fat storage , if you have that storage, if you have that ability , youre in good shape ability, youre in good shape because fair enough. I know they have brown fat, which is also good for going into cold seas. Yeah, because it produces heat. Anything on this snake . Dont forget to have to. Nothing amazing. It just nothing amazing. Itjust sounds like pearl davis sounds more like a pearl davis live telegraph live stream than a telegraph article. It live stream than a telegraph articomes it live stream than a telegraph articomes from it live stream than a telegraph articomes from bmi. It live stream than a telegraph articomes from bmi. Andt live stream than a telegraph articomes from bmi. And the all comes from bmi. And the problem is a flawed problem is bmi is a flawed metric. Absolutely excellent point, nick now and we stay with nick metro now and we stay with fitness and diet. Weve seen a pill that kills appetite have magic appetite. Now we have a magic muscle by the sound of it. Muscle pill by the sound of it. At least a magic well, or at least a magic cardio scientists well, or at least a magic cardiimade scientists well, or at least a magic cardiimade a scientists well, or at least a magic cardiimade a scito tists well, or at least a magic cardiimade a scito replace have made a pill to replace exercise, dont hang up the exercise, but dont hang up the train as yet. So there were two mice. Simon in san diego in a facility. Let take back facility. Let me take you back to start this one was to the start of this one was called mouse , the called couch potato mouse, the other and other Lance Armstrong mouse. And you, cheated . Thats you, like, cheated . Well, thats the you sort of the thing. You think you sort of do that as a joke then do that as a joke and then you realise, its taking realise, well, yes, its taking a drug named gw 50151 6 realise, well, yes, its taking a drug named gw 501516 or 5 one six for short, which is not a great abbreviation , but and that great abbreviation, but and that mimics effect of exercise on mimics the effect of exercise on the body. The only thing is it will boost metabolism and it will boost metabolism and it will them into thinking will trick them into thinking the muscles, thinking it will burn on. Im burn more fat and so on. Im not convinced stop lifting convinced you can stop lifting yet because it doesnt yet as mice because it doesnt give you muscle. Although there is that moves is some evidence that it moves you twitch muscle you towards slow twitch muscle fibres. Maybe thats on the fibres. So maybe thats on the on the horizon. But to me , id on the horizon. But to me, id consider taking this to stop the cardio because i cardio. Cardio because i hate cardio. But get lifting in, but still, get your lifting in, still lifting and mice but still, get your lifting in, stillwomen. Fting and mice and women. Whether mice have do we know whether mice have the ratio of slow the same sort of ratio of slow and fast twitch or whether i mean, i know some have mean, i know some mice have human they . Mean, i know some mice have human theyve they . Mean, i know some mice have human theyve bred they . Mean, i know some mice have human theyve bred thnthat because theyve bred them that way to be able to test way in order to be able to test certain drugs them, they certain drugs on them, they actually like human lung actually have like human lung tissue. Know. Tissue. I know. I know. Can i just say i dont know. Can i just say this . Is just one more this . This is just one more newspaper drugs. This is newspaper pushing drugs. This is all they want to do. They want to they want to all to get they want to tell all of our going to be our problems. Are going to be drug saved. The is the drug saved. The truth is the single you can do to get single thing you can do to get muscles is eat red meat. Look at Louis Schaefer , 66 years old. Louis schaefer, 66 years old. You cant feel do you want to feel the muscle here . Youve still because still got to live because even with you live. With steroids, you dont live. A serious lewis is making a serious point here. I think there is an awful lot suggestion that we awful lot of suggestion that we can good behaviour by can eliminate good behaviour by just some miracle drug. Just taking some miracle drug. At the moment, does seem at the moment, that does seem likeyeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. I cant help thinking this is leading into , know, weve leading us into, you know, weve been kind of been warned about this kind of stuff. Yes. Theyre right well theyre pushing right or well , whatever. It all feels lift weights. Its like a forced impact or something, isnt it . Dont have to lift you dont have to lift weights. Okay, louis, over the okay, louis, over to the telegraph. Further evidence that cats the cats are in league with the devil. Devil. Animals all the this is all animals all the time here. Cats. We have mice. We dogs. This time here. Cats. We have mice. We dogs. This is time here. Cats. We have mice. We dogs. This is the we have dogs. This is the curator western curator at the western australian museum. He found that 125 glow in the dark. 125 animals glow in the dark. Wow. And this is like really big news, guys. Wait a second. In 1911, they discovered this originally that humans that we actually glow in the dark. We do too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah , we. And can i ask a yeah, we. And can i ask a question . Did did you. I read question . Did did you. I read the article. I didnt see it. Why glow in the dark . Why do we glow in the dark . There was it postulated. Is it phosphorescence normally it. Normally isnt it. Yeah. But why. No thats thats mysterious fluorescent properties. Doesnt really answer it this doesnt really answer it does it. Yeah. I love the sentence. People and rabbits were mammals have sentence. People and rabbits were fluorescentimals have sentence. People and rabbits were fluorescent property have shown fluorescent property people have you people and rabbits. Have you ever noticed somebody ever noticed though somebody hair shining in the dark . I feel like that is a thing ive seen, although i cant remember where. But that feels right occasionally right that you occasionally nofice right that you occasionally notice glow coming notice a bit of a glow coming out peoples heads. Out of peoples heads. Could mine. Yeah, it could be mine. Look at magnificent hair at how magnificent my hair is. Lets honest. Lets be honest. Mine certainly thats true. Mine certainly glows kitchen bowls. Glows more like kitchen bowls. Its very george clooney, nick. Hello. Win win for gaga. This hello. Win win for gaga. This is in the times. Yes, lady gaga can keep 500,000 reward. She offered for stolen dogs. Her stolen dogs. It should probably clarify not just any. Probably clarify not just any. This is in 2021. Ryan fischer was walking with these three french bulldogs and was shot in the chest quite horrifically. The chest quite horrifically. And Jennifer Mcbride has tried to claim the reward. The problem to claim the reward. The problem is she was in a relationship with the father of one of the robbers, and they did promise a no questions asked award. But it turns out there are some questions asked like , are you questions asked like, are you the is your boyfriends son, the boy is your boyfriends son, the boy is your boyfriends son, the that stole the dog . The one that stole the dog . Thats quite question, thats quite a key question, actually. A grift . Yeah, actually. Is this a grift . Yeah, exactly. Shes not going exactly. And so shes not going to get the money. And she claims she didnt know bulldogs she didnt know the bulldogs were no one were stolen property. No one thinks any sense. And thinks that makes any sense. And so, yeah, thats story. So, yeah, thats the story. I dont bulldogs dont know where these bulldogs came theyre came from, but maybe theyre yours gaga. Mean, the most lady gaga. I mean, the most interesting thing i found out was lady real name , which was lady gagas real name, which id never heard before. Where id never heard before. Where was it again . German yeah. Interesting stefani germanotta. Stefani germanotta. Yeah , i think thats a better yeah, i think thats a better name than lady gaga. Name than lady gaga. I think the interesting thing about this story is, is that the chutzpah of the people who she was claiming the 500,000 prize as she wanted, another 1. 5 million for damages for damages after the if they hadnt gone for that, they might have got away with it. Its hard to pick out. I cant work out whether they stole the dogs in hope that stole the dogs in the hope that a questions asked reward a no questions asked reward would whether they would be offered or whether they just because he he just shot this guy because he he was like target some other was like a target for some other purpose the dogs had some purpose or the dogs had some value. Value. Those at the time the dogs were that was very were taken. That was very bulldog. They very popular bulldog. They were very popular. Think people are. For now, i think people are like throwing it feels to me like, a classic dog kidnapping. Yeah. You know that shes going the dogs back. You going to want the dogs back. You kidnap cant prove this. Going to want the dogs back. You kidrit cant prove this. Going to want the dogs back. You kidrit feel ant prove this. Going to want the dogs back. You kidrit feel ant way, this. But it does feel that way, doesnt it . The fact that this woman you woman whos adjacent to the you know, the she goes out with the father them, they father of one of them, they thought removed . Thought that was enough removed . Yeah and delivers them. Yeah and then she delivers them. Its all. Exactly. Its like a very crime. Its all. Exactly. Its like a verja crime. Its all. Exactly. Its like a verja strangers on a train where a strangers on a train where two strangers meet and discuss and realise they both need somebody killed. So they agree to each others target. To kill each others target. Yeah. Mean, i probably got it yeah. I mean, i probably got it slightly but thats slightly wrong, but thats basically so theres plausible deniability. I cant possibly. Deniability. I cant possibly. Why i be there . Why would i be there . And killing that person . Why would i be there . And killyeah, at person . Why would i be there . And killyeah, becausei . Why would i be there . And killyeah, because somebody yeah, because somebody else was killed, but one person backed the killing and backed out of the killing and didnt it go ahead. It didnt want it to go ahead. It was just even backed was just did not even backed out. Was just a joke that out. It was just a joke that mentioned other mentioned it. And the other person bit too person took it a bit too seriously. Seriously. Can happen. So thats a warning movie. Finally, lewis , warning movie. Finally, lewis, if you want to avoid speeding fines, do not take a leaf out of this blokes book. Motor fine for taping motor is fine for taping a leaf to obscure their licence plates. And this is in surrey and the surrey stop the speeding Toyota Corolla on the a3 in guildford yesterday and they have a picture possibly. Keep talking. Keep talking. Yeah, it was a and there was a leaf taped to the front licence plate and the leaf taped to the back of the licence plate. You got to say its really hes gone front and square with that, isnt he . Yeah. Fred i think i think well the guy said it was unbelievable. Thats what i unbelievable. Thats what i didnt that. I i am didnt make that. I mean i am intrigued by all these ways that people speeding people try and beat speeding cameras. People try and beat speeding can buts. Thing, people try and beat speeding canbuts. Thing, hes got but one thing, hes got a leaf plates over the leaf on both plates over the same that to me is like same letter that to me is like his error. Right because its a coincidently its obvious , coincidently its obvious, whereas in reality, most speeding cameras only get you on the rear camera anyway , dont the rear camera anyway, dont they . Not the case . They . Is that not the case . If theyre right. But if theyre stopped, stopped them. Stopped, the cops stopped them. Drive anymore. But i dont drive anymore. But yeah, he have right, yeah, he should have you. Right, bill some of a yeah. Bill in some more of a yeah. More elaborate less order in his leaf design on the same letter. Yeah. You know, one. Thats. Yeah. You know, one. Othennise with othennise spray it with hairspray and apparently that othennise spray it with hairsprthatid apparently that othennise spray it with hairsprthat when iarently that othennise spray it with hairsprthat when theitly that othennise spray it with hairsprthat when the flash|at othennise spray it with hairsprthat when the flash came meant that when the flash came it would just just dazzle it and it would just just dazzle it and it would just just dazzle it and it would read through. Question is he the one question is if he advocate this, would advocate did this, would the Police Arrive at his house in a few days, just raiding few days, you know, just raiding his advocated his house because he advocated covering with a leaf covering your thing with a leaf thing . Exact. Thing . Well, its the exact. All our yeah, we covered all our niceness plates with leaves. That be quite you could that would be quite you could call it you leaves, couldnt you leave more leave the slightly more a slightly more gentle autumnal protest. But nick is right. They the police would come if the guy had been working for gb news. Yeah, i didnt say that part, lewis said. That part. Now you say. Say that now you say. You say that youre kidding. Im kidding. Even im kidding. What is or where is he . Was. He was in guildford. Okay yeah i honestly okay so it is. Yeah i honestly think hes. Hes overdone it there, but hes, you know, hes shown us some sort of path. The shown us some sort of path. The show is nearly over. Lets take another thursdays another quick look at thursdays front we have the daily front pages. We have the Daily Telegraph with rishi and wife on the front there. Huge decision is to change britain. Thats banning smoking, changing a levels and of course, closing hs2. Guardian sunak invites tory hs2. Guardian sunak invites tory civil war after declaring he is changed candidate. The times son changed candidate. The times son of a pharmacist, cast himself as thatchers heir daily mail day. Rishi gave tories a reason to believe he can save us from keirs wokery express game changer rishis radical policy blitz to fix britain and the daily star. Weve really hit the daily star. Weve really hit the skids. Supermarket forced to put security tags on bog rolls to end shoplifting epidemic. Those end shoplifting epidemic. Those were your front pages. Thats all we have time for. Thanks to my guest, Lewis Schaffer and nick doyle will be nick dixon. Andrew doyle will be here tomorrow leo kurstin. Here tomorrow with leo kurstin. Lewis by while it was the big rishi sunak speech at manchester today where he decided to scrap the hs2 extension to bring in a smoking ban to make it illegal for anybody born after 2009 to smoke anybody born after 2009 to smoke a cigarette and hes going to change a levels. But was it enough . Did it inspire . And were you at home inspire . And were you at home satisfied . Ill be discussing all of that in detail with a great panel after the news with polly middlehurst. Nigel thank you. Good evening to you. Well, as youve been hearing, the Prime Minister has confirmed today that the northern leg of hs2 is being scrapped. Speaking after being scrapped. Speaking after weeks of speculation , rishi weeks of speculation, rishi sunak told the conservative Party Conference in manchester that hes ready to make tough decisions for the country. Hes decisions for the country. Hes defended the move as well, saying the money will be better spent developing projects in the north midlands. Spent developing projects in the north midlands. Hs2 will north and the midlands. Hs2 will still run from euston in central london, but current management will no longer be responsible. He said. Well reinvest every single. Penny £36 billion in single. Penny £36 billion in hundreds of new transport projects in the north and the midlands across the country. This means £36 billion of investment in the projects that will make a real difference across our nation. Across our nation. Well, in reaction to that, the former Prime Minister, David Cameron has criticised the announcement , saying that cameron has criticised the announcement, saying that a once in a Generation Opportunity has been lost and the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, said the new investment