News own Christopher Hope. So stay tuned for that. Let me bnngin stay tuned for that. Let me bring in our paper reviewer this morning, alan milka mihaylova. I morning, alan milka mihaylova. I did practise this with you, anna, anna, michela, the deputy Political Editor of the mail on sunday, joins me now. Lovely to see you, anna. Great to see you. Mean, at the end of the day. I mean, at the end of the day , story that has dominated , the story that has dominated the sunday papers quite understandably, the understandably, has been the situation in israel. Theres a huge amount of coverage of it because happened late for because it happened too late for it into yesterdays it to get into yesterdays papers. Mean, its wall to papers. So, i mean, its wall to wall, as youd imagine. If we look at a situation like this and it seems very far away and its hard to connect and yet already we have these very, very human stories on the front of your newspaper, the headline simply dont kill me showing the human of the terror attack. Human cost of the terror attack. This young woman, 25 years old, called noahs , been taken from called noahs, been taken from some kind of peace rally just on the border of the gaza strip. Shes been put on the back of a hamas motorbike separated from her boyfriend. We dont know whats happened to this girl. Shes many people shes one of many, many people with women, children who have been affected by this. Yeah, i mean, i was in the newsroom yesterday and just seeing the horror, first of all, in the morning of the paragliders, you know, these terrorists coming starting terrorists coming in, starting the. And then the story the attack. And then the story unfolded where it emerged that they were just taking civilians hostage. So not only were civilians being killed and a lot of being put out on of the footage being put out on social horror of social media, the horror of families seeing their loved ones affected through looking at these videos and then and then you see stories like noahs that makes the front of the mail on sunday where shes a young girl, a young woman who was attending a young woman who was attending a festival nearby with a a Music Festival nearby with a bunch of other young people. Bunch of other young people. Absolutely nothing to do with any conflict, any war, anything. And was snatched on a motorbike and has taken it to gaza. And this has been a tactic that was used on grandmothers , children, used on grandmothers, children, women, people , people who are women, people, people who are just being seized. And it appears to be i mean, the horror for their families. No one really knows whats happened to them. But it appears from reports today that theyre going to be used as either bargaining chips or perhaps human shields to ward off attacks. But its to ward off attacks. But its absolutely horrific. And i think you look a woman like that you look at a woman like that and the reason these stories are important tell that important to tell is that that could anyones sister. That could be anyones sister. That could be anyones sister. That could daughter, could be anyones daughter, anyones mother. Heard a horrific weve also heard a horrific story of an israeli woman being paraded through the streets dead half naked. Lets look at the response to this from netanyahu , who in the sunday mirror. Its basically saying, look, israel, we are at war. Now. Netanyahu is saying that civilians should leave gaza ahead of retaliation. This is only going to get worse. Anna yes. Well, he put out a statement very quickly yesterday day making it clear that israel is at war, which as anyone would expect, of course, it is. It is. Expect, of course, it is. It is. This is the biggest terror attack and the biggest security failure as well, not being able to stop it in 50 years. It was precisely on the anniversary date, you know, to the day of the henri paul war. So now israel has to respond, is already responding. So there is no surprise there. No surprise there. And how about the western world . Because there has been some coverage this morning sort of talking about whether, again , you know, we perhaps saw this with ukraine following the invasion crimea. Invasion of crimea. Has the western world been at the western world been asleep at the wheel . Got bob seely, the wheel . Youve got bob seely, the mp the of wight, mp for the isle of wight, writing your newspaper, writing in your newspaper, saying biden in the white saying with biden in the white house, wonder terrorists house, no wonder the terrorists felt then in the felt emboldened. And then in the telegraph, the sunday telegraph, youve frost, former youve got david frost, former brexit minister, talking about we must stand by a friend in a time of need. If it is defeated, so is the west. I mean, has the west been asleep at the wheel on this one . I think theres a couple of things going on. Firstly, there is very little appetite across the world to get involved even engage in more involved and even engage in more conflicts. Yes, part , conflicts. Yes, in part, understandably, because people have serious economic situations at home. Theyve got problems. But the world is globalised. So something in israel affects everyone else. Yes and america has certainly not been taking a very big leadership role in the middle east. It has traditionally has has had a bolder role to play. And then bolder role to play. And then what bob seely what david frost are arguing today and what other mps are arguing today and what other mp5 i are arguing today and what other mps i was speaking to yesterday, they all point the finger to iran and they say one the big iran and they say one of the big problems that the west, problems is that the west, including , have been including britain, have been cosying iran , have not cosying up to iran, have not been taking a hard enough line , been taking a hard enough line, while same time iran has while at the same time iran has been sponsoring terrorism and arming hamas. I mean, where are they getting some of these drones, some of these paragliders from . Lets move on to domestic matters, were here matters, because were here in Liverpool Labour Party liverpool for the labour Party Conference. Yes. Were calling this count your this section. Dont count your chickens because starmer has told dont get giddy told his party, dont get giddy over prospect of election win. Over prospect of election win. He complacent this he cant be complacent this week, can he, anna . He cant. I mean, look, hes in a very good position starting this conference not only in a very good position starting this csoference not only in a very good position starting this cso farnce not only in a very good position starting this cso far ahead not only in a very good position starting this cso far ahead in not only in a very good position starting this cso far ahead in theiot only in a very good position starting this cso far ahead in the polls,. Y is he so far ahead in the polls, hes also just come off a massive by election win. Yes. So a significant one at that. But 20 swing, was it to labour in scotland swing . Yeah and if thats replicated then hes home and dry with a majority. Yes. So hes sort of putting a note of caution out in the observer. My favourite line in this, a lot of it is sort of common sense. Of course, no one should get complacent. None of the labour actors should get complacent. Thats his message to the party. But where keir but theres a quote where keir starmer wont starmer saying, you wont see any at this any razzmatazz at this conference from him. Were we expecting any razzm atazz . I razzmatazz . I mean, all those people banking from keir banking on razzmatazz from keir starmer should stand down, be disappointed. Well, as ever, a of disappointed. � man as ever, a of disappointed. � man race ver, a of disappointed. � man race between of disappointed. � man race between sunak f disappointed. � man race between sunak and two man race between sunak and starmer in the personality stakes. Youve got some really stakes. Youve got some really interesting polling which is headuned interesting polling which is headlined trusted protect headlined pm trusted to protect womens rights and would beat starmer a 10 k race. Okay, starmer in a 10 k race. Okay, thats great. Delta poll. Thats great. From delta poll. However, voting intention is still and tories still 43 to labour and tories well behind on 28. What i found interesting about this data , interesting about this data, however, was the question to those surveyed does sunak represent real change . Obviously, his speech at the Tory Party Conference is very much about him being the change candidate, which after 13 years people said really . And when asked that 26 agreed he was a change candidate and 60 said he wasnt. He was just more of the same. However does starmer represent real change, which you would expect people to say yes, its actually only 35 say yes. And 47 say he just represents more of the same. So who is the change candidate at the next general election . Because its not these two dont know. I think theres a really interesting point here, which is that for rishi sunak, his strategy, point out, is strategy, as you point out, is to the change candidate. I to be the change candidate. I mean, theres an irony here because remember when because we all remember when bofis because we all remember when Boris Johnson was genuinely the change off change candidate and pulled off a electoral and a huge electoral feat. And i dont remember him calling himself change that himself the change counter that much people have much. I think other people have to that. But much. I think other people have to that. But rishi sunaks to do that. But rishi sunaks calling himself the change candidate, make candidate, is desperate to make change keir change candidate happen. Keir starmer doesnt really need to do that because by virtue of him being the labour opposition leader, that is the change. Doesnt he have to nail some colours to the mast . But a lot of criticism of him not really opposing much that the governments done. Im going to raise this with wes streeting whos on just whos coming on just in a moment, but doesnt he need to set stall because people set out his stall because people are saying, well, we love all the soundbites, but wheres the substance to anything that youre would youre proposing . How would you run become run the country if you become the Prime Minister . You the next Prime Minister . Do you think say more in think hes going to say more in his about that, anna . His speech about that, anna . Well, i think he has to, but i dont actually think the expectation going expectation is that hes going to much. To say that much. I the message from i think the message from labour staffers is he labour staffers is that he actually can be quite boring in his which is sort his speech, which is sort of sort of remarkable hear. But sort of remarkable to hear. But in a way i think they think people essentially going to people essentially are going to vote for their own vote for them for their own reasons and that they dont need to they dont need to show reasons and that they dont need to leg ey dont need to show reasons and that they dont need to leg ey d early eed to show reasons and that they dont need to leg ey dearly on. To show reasons and that they dont need to leg ey dearly on. Tois1ow any leg this early on. It is still about a year out from a silent assassin approach. Let tories implode just let the tories implode and very and watch it happen. Very briefly, lets just speak about this that starmer this interview that starmer has done the mirror on the sunday done in the mirror on the sunday mirror. Thats traditional that the leader does speak the labour leader does speak to the labour leader does speak to the the of the sunday mirror on the eve of conference. Hes going conference. Yes. And hes going with 1. 5 billion with the nhs. My 1. 5 billion plan clear the waiting list plan to clear the waiting list backlog. It will rescue our backlog. It will rescue our nhs after of neglect. After 13 years of tory neglect. Is it the right thing to be doing to targeting the nhs . Doing to be targeting the nhs . Here we go. Weve got well, here we go. Weve got a bit of actual policy and even some numbers on it. I think its an direction from an interesting direction from him hes also i like the him and hes also i like the fact that in the mirror hes talking wife who works talking about his wife who works for trying to for the nhs. So hes trying to do of personal and a bit do a bit of personal and a bit of policy which whether or not it will please enough people and show about show what hes really about remains to see. But its quite a lot of pressure on him. Hes got to perform wednesday, not least pressure on him. Hes got to perforwevewednesday, not least pressure on him. Hes got to perforweve got nesday, not least pressure on him. Hes got to perforweve got angela not least pressure on him. Hes got to perforweve got Angela Raynerist when weve got Angela Rayner coming doesnt want to coming up today. Doesnt want to be by his deputy. Be overshadowed by his deputy. Yeah, absolutely. And i think we might expect some razzmatazz from we might expect some razzmatazz frorthat shes the one with the that shes the one with the razzmatazz. Anna mihaylova, thank indeed for thank you very much indeed for joining this morning. Lovely joining me this morning. Lovely to jack to speak to you. Now jack carson, i hope is down the road for us in liverpool this week with Peoples Panel. Jack with the Peoples Panel. Jack what questions our panel what questions have our panel got our guests this i got for our guests this week . I hope can hear yeah well, hope you can hear me. Yeah well, good morning to you, camilla. Were here in the heart of the city at the lucy in the sky cafe here, where lots of people, including us, have enjoying including us, have been enjoying our breakfast morning. And our breakfast this morning. And were the by were joined on the panel by lesley tony lesley, lets lesley and tony lesley, lets come to you first. I mean, west streeting, health streeting, the Shadow Health secretary on on on the secretary on on the on the interview list this morning as well mark mean, well as mark harper. I mean, what kind question have you what kind of question have you got you want to put to those people . I think basically weve got a huge waiting list in the, you know, people waiting for operations. Been mooted operations. And its been mooted that theyre going to use private hospitals to actually help reduce the waiting list. Help reduce the waiting list. And i thought that was something that the labour party were against, you know, sort of this idea of privatising the health service, etcetera. And i was wondering how they square it with their basic principles. I mean, for mark harper as well, the transport secretary of course, been a big week for the conservatives scrapping that second leg of hs2. I mean, what what can mark harper answer for you . What can mark harper answer for youwell, think theres been a well, i think theres been a war against motorists and youve got sadiq khan in london sort of crippling motorists who are elderly , who are sort of on elderly, who are sort of on lower incomes by ulez. Youve lower incomes by ulez. Youve got Angela Rayner saying if labour get in, youre going to spread it all over the country. Ijust spread it all over the country. I just wondered what their attitude is towards us, the motorists, and are they going to make life easier for people who are older and, and have got less money to play with . I mean, tony, you know, former labour member for you, i mean, what questions have you got for wes streeting on the panel today . Panel today . Well, i want to talk a little bit about transport. I think a positive development in liverpool the last few days liverpool in the last few days is that the metro is the news that the metro mayor, Steve Rotheram , has said mayor, Steve Rotheram, has said that the local authority will once again take control of bus franchises , which will mean that franchises, which will mean that services can be standardised across the whole region. An across the whole region. An whereas the ridiculous situation at the moment and i feel this is at the moment and i feel this is a social care worker who has to go different places to work where you can buy a ticket for one bus. Its not valuable, its not valid on another either operators service. So this will operators service. So this will allow and i think this this could be a model for the whole of britain, for towns and cities across britain to once again look towards publicly owned bus services or publicly controlled. At least i mean, obviously here in liverpool, you know , at this in liverpool, you know, at this Party Conference. Keir is going to be looking to set out his vision if labour were to win the next general election. I mean, what could he say in the next few days that would that would persuade you to vote for him . There are so many i think there are so many issues now, you know, being mentioned waiting list mentioned about a waiting list for the health service. Theres also housing. You know, this affects my family as well, living at overcrowded social housing. Theres a long, long wait for any bigger accommodation in the area. I live in, in wavertree, theres so Many Properties as people die off with a soul to outside property speculators that turned into multi occupancy homes for students or from people outside the city outside the country. So ijust the city outside the country. So i just want to know really what the labour party would do to Start Building social housing again or Affordable Housing in general for working people. I mean, thats something that were expecting to hear from of course. Angela rayner speech today, commitment more today, commitment to more affordable know, Affordable Housing, you know, would that give you would that would that give you the trust back that you need to vote for labour . Vote for labour . Well, one that some detail would i dont know what form that take, you know, will that will take, you know, will we get back to the days when million were being million houses a year were being built labour or tory built by labour or tory government, was the case government, which was the case for maybe 30, 35 years after the war . I mean, leslie, what do you make on what Angela Rayner can say today . What could she say maybe th