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The sound of rocket fire rang out across gaza city, Mahmoud Abbas said the killing or abuse of civilians contravenes morals , religion and international law. His comments came as vital medical supplies run dangerously low in gaza. The International Red cross warning the situation is deteriorating fast. The only is deteriorating fast. The only remaining power station stopped working yesterday in gaza city and fuel supplies that are keeping generators going at night are also dwindling. They night are also dwindling. They could run out today. Night are also dwindling. They could run out today. Well, the could run out today. Well, the us secretary of state has described the hamas terror attack from last saturday as depravity in its worst. Speaking depravity in its worst. Speaking dunng depravity in its worst. Speaking during his trip to israel today, he reassured the israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, that as long as america existed , israel would never have to defend itself on its own. The defend itself on its own. The israeli Prime Minister insisted hamas should be treated in exactly the same way as isis. Exactly the same way as isis. Antony blinken said he knows the terrorist group hamas does not represent the Palestinian People or their legit aspirations. Those were his words as well. A news away from the mideast conflict and mp for the Scottish National party defected today to the conservative party amid reports of a toxic and bullying culture in the partys westminster group. Lisa camerons defection comes as she was facing a selection battle to be the candidate for a seat in the west of scotland. She said shed been a victim of group bullying at westminster and had even suffered panic attacks as a result. Well the Prime Minister, rishi sunak, said today he was delighted ms cameron had joined the conservatives and the scottish conservatives and finally Bernie Ecclestone has been handed a 17 month suspended sentence after pleading guilty to fraud. Today, the formula one boss will also have to pay £652 million to hmrc. He appeared at Londons Southwark crown court this morning after failing to declare more than £400 million of overseas assets to the government. The billionaire turns 93 later this month. He had been due to face trial in november after hed previously denied the charge here. Here with gp news across the uk on tv in your car on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. News channel. Good evening. Well the British Government have not taken long to get involved. Were sending two royal navy vessels. Therell be royal vessels. Therell be Royal Marines on board and perhaps even more significantly, well be setting a of be spending setting a couple of spy be spending setting a couple of spy planes, which will be flying over to see how hamas over the region to see how hamas are being rearmed. And all of are being rearmed. And all of this as as 100,000 Israeli Soldiers and reservists are lined up opposite gaza for what inevitably is going to be a major Ground Invasion. And however grim you think the news has been, this week, i think its quite easy to predict by this time next week it will be grimmer still. And amongst all grimmer still. And amongst all of this , a former leader of of this, a former leader of hamas , a former founder of hamas hamas, a former founder of hamas , Khalid Mashaal , has called for , Khalid Mashaal, has called for tomorrow to be a day of rage. It is to stand up to demonstrate, to study and to understand. And to study and to understand. And what jihad to study and to understand. And whatjihad is now , these what jihad is now, these comments have been aimed, and he was quite specific. They been aimed at arab and muslim countries. But there is great countries. But there is great concern in other parts of the world. For example, in amsterdam, all of the Jewish Schools will be closed tomorrow. In london, weve heard two schools, two Jewish Schools will be closed tomorrow, 1000 extra metropolitan police will be patrolling predominantly jewish area bars and into all of this, the Community Security trust , the Community Security trust, who measure anti semitic attacks report a significant rise over the course of the last few days. So the question, i guess, is just how worried should we be . Let me give me please give me your thoughts. Farage at gbnews. Com. I have no idea whether there will be spill over, but im certainly certain only concerned. Lets go certain only concerned. Lets go live tel aviv and join charlie peters. Gb news is reporter peters. Gb news is reporter there. Charlie good evening. First things first. What is the military situation in today . Military situation in today . Well, the situation in general in israel is such that idf commanders said this morning that we might see the quiet before the storm down in the south, in the northern region, we had more shelling coming over from southern lebanon and shelling from syria. Shelling from syria. And we saw the first strikes by the Israeli Air Force outside of israel hitting two airports in syria , damascus and aleppo in syria, damascus and Aleppo International airport in the south. And in the last hour, we have seen a huge rise in rocket attacks hitting the town of beersheba east of the gaza strip. And as you said in your intro, a significant force still gathering in the south of the border of the gaza strip for that likely ground incursion as over 100,000 troops gather there. The main challenge for there. The main challenge for the military, though, across the country is to sustain them. Weve seen reports today and spoken to idf soldiers who say theyre just not getting all the kit they need. Theyre relying on civilian means and charities to bring them basics, body plates, body armour, boots, military equipment, stuff that an army really needs to engage in this sort of massive violence across itself when its dealing with this existential risk press conference this morning between Prime Minister netanyahu , who Prime Minister netanyahu, who and secretary of state antony blinken, how much help have the americans indicated that they are prepared to give . Well, the are prepared to give . Well, the americans are here. It seems to both extend a humanitarian hand in trying to use its diplomacy to engage in that Border Crossing with egypt, but also to sharpen israels spear by providing what it called advanced munitions to forces in the south. They were very clear, though , Anthony Blinken saying though, Anthony Blinken saying earlier today that it was his it was his position to express moral clarity and to combat what Benjamin Netanyahu described as isis style butchery. The isis style butchery. The americans say they will stand firmly with israel in to order allow it to defend itself. Many allow it to defend itself. Many people have said that israel has a right to defend itself, but people in israel say they have to defend themselves and this is the worst violence theyve seen for 50 years. Yes. And so many, charlie, as i touched on last night with you, many the international you, many in the International Community , please community saying israel, please dont overreact, but i mean, given whats just happened to them what they supposed to them, what are they supposed to do . You guess as to do . Do you have any guess as to when you think Israeli Forces will go physically into gaza . Will go physically into gaza . Well i think its a minimum of 48 hours at this stage. Its a realistic possibility that that first invasion, the first Ground Invasion of the gaza strip since 2014 will occur in that period because a significant amount of shaping and sustaining of the ground still needs to be done. The logistics supplies to those forces in the south are required, no doubt the americans involved in that very seriously, but also hamas needs to be beaten back into their shelters inside the gaza strip. They are knocking hundreds of targets every night. The israeli air every night. The Israeli Air Force, with their airstrike capabilities , hitting air capabilities, hitting air defence assets. But also personnel and senior commanders up and down the strip. That will have a significant effect on preparing the way for any Ground Invasion, but still so much to be done and people in israel starting to really recognise that when that Ground Invasion occurs , all those shelters where occurs, all those shelters where members of hamas, the terrorists, have been hiding, they will suddenly become traps for heavy armour and all the unwieldy forces that will be pounng unwieldy forces that will be pouring into the gaza strip should that invasion occur in the coming days. Charlie peters, thank you. Once again for your live report from tel aviv. As i say, i think by this time next week , the war by this time next week, the war will be bigger and far worse than it is now. Lets hope that im wrong now. Josh howie is a columnist for the jewish chronicle, but hes also a gb news presenter. Youll see him on hes witty on headliners, and hes witty and funny, hasnt and hes funny, but he hasnt come in tonight to discuss a particularly amusing topic. Josh, welcome to the program. I chatted at the beginning here about this day of rage thats been encouraged by one of the founders and former leaders of hamas. Now even though he said that it was designed to happen in arab and muslim countries all over london, people are starting to take precaution. Lessons just to take precaution. Lessons just share with us how much concern is there in the jewish community. Well, its a huge amount of concern. Amount of concern. Amount of concern. I mean, first of all, thank you for letting me on before 11 pm, but but yeah, i mean, that p. M, but but yeah, i mean, that message went out and then he had to sort quantify oh, we to sort of quantify it. Oh, we just the arab countries, just mean in the arab countries, we mean everywhere we dont mean jews everywhere around the world. By the way, arab countries been arab countries having been ethnically cleansed of their 1 million since creation million jews since the creation of but its scary. Its of israel. But its scary. Its not just that thats i mean, weve just heard two School Jewish schools in north london have closed that my kids go to a Jewish School , two jewish Jewish School, two Jewish Schools. They are remaining open. But all the way through this week, theres just been constant emails between between the parents on the whatsapp groups from the school to us, security has been picked up and its mental that we live in a society where where Nursery Schools require guards. Require guards. I mean, you know where your kids go to School Tomorrow they will go to school because i dont want them at home. But and well do security and keep them safe. And also, its a way of i dont feel like we should give in to these people. We shouldnt have to change our lives. But you have had to change your life, havent you . As you say, you know, security guards are part the as you say, you know, securinow1ards are part the as you say, you know, securinow1ardkidsepart the as you say, you know, securinow1ardkids going the as you say, you know, securinow1ard kids going to the norm now for kids going to school. Jewish schools in north london. But i just mean even walking down the road, having my star of david out, its like im of david out, its like im sort of constantly fluctuating between fear attacked and weve fear of being attacked and weve seen anti semitic incidents increase three, 400 over the last few days. I mentioned on that and i was at the vigil in front of the israeli in front of number 10 on monday, and it was a peaceful , monday, and it was a peaceful, solemn affair to mourn the more than 1000 people who were slaughtered in a way that we cant even imagine. No. And id i took a different route home and thank god i did, because if i hadnt, it would have been caught in the middle of people swinging from lampposts and setting off flares and fireworks and chanting , oh, and fireworks and chanting, oh, youre jews are dead good. It was a celebration. It was all the media called it a protest , it was all the media called it a protest, but i called it out. It was actually a celebration of course, going on. Yeah, absolutely. And to see that and again, to see that within our society to and see the police sort of standing by with all this hatred going with this all this hatred going on and that seeing stuff like thatis on and that seeing stuff like that is of course, its terrifying and its. Me and you. Terrifying and its. Me and you. We havent actually met before. We havent actually met before. Hello. I know. I just see you later. I just see you later. Yeah. You see. Well, and vice versa. But we disagree politically. This is beyond well , its way beyond that politics. This is way beyond that. This is way beyond that. A and i dont want to maybe exaggerate or something. This is a this is a war for liberal democracy. It doesnt you know, democracy. It doesnt you know, when we disagree about how our country should be run and those things here, its but this goes to the ethos of what is our country, what is it to be british . And its about fairness andits british . And its about fairness and its about being able to live your life freely, seeing some live shots. In gaza, there was an explosion a few moments ago. No, of about of course, the point about living in a liberal democracy is that agree to disagree. And that we agree to disagree. And then elections or then we have elections or referendums, thats the referendums, and thats the result. We like it result. And whether we like it or is result. And or not, that is the result. And thats we do things. I mean, thats how we do things. I mean, lets call this out. Josh for what really is, what is what it really is, what is actually happening pure actually happening is pure racial hatred, isnt it . 100. For many years 100. And for many years now, jews been the anti jews have been saying the anti zionism semitism. Its zionism is anti semitism. Its another excuse for it. Weve seen were talking about seen it. Were talking about thousands years worth this thousands of years worth of this hate. Doesnt go hate. It just doesnt go anywhere. And always has anywhere. And it always has a different reappear. Different excuse to reappear. Whether then it whether it was religion, then it comes back as some sort of racial and now racial purity. And now its coming as as as israel coming back as as as as israel being and its insane to have to explain to your children what it is about them. It must be very difficult. It must be very difficult. Its very i wish people could just come in to see my kids schooled Primary School to come to our synagogue. Its all about peace. Its about making the world the a better place. These are literally the rules. Why we live our life. And its i mean, i understand there are many reasons this anti semitism that it exists and its so pernicious. But i it exists and its so pernicious. Buti guess it exists and its so pernicious. But i guess the thing thats most frustrating for me as someone on the left is fellow progressive travellers. To see progressive travellers. To see them joining in and to say, as you say, celebrating the death. Yeah, it wasnt just corbynism you know, there have been other strands on the extreme end of the Labour Party Going back decades that have actually this zionist actually used this anti zionist narrative. As you said yourself, a moment ago, as a cover for what . Well, it all comes from russia. Russian propaganda. I mean, there reasons for it going there are reasons for it going into into academia and what not. The is when it gets to the point is when it gets to this where we are seen the this level where we are seen the barbarism , i mean, on a scale barbarism, i mean, on a scale that we cant really imagine, ive even seen photos and the demanding for people online, it didnt happen. It didnt happen. Didnt happen. It didnt happen. They want they want to see it. They want they want to see it. They want they want to see it. They want to see the dead. We have to showcase our dead babies to somehow appease these people. I mean, its unbelievably disgusting. Their humanity and but again, its coming from people on what it would term my side. And that is horrific. Side. And that is horrific. People in my you know im a stand up comedian. Obviously im not being funny right now. No. Im not going to try this material night. But material on saturday night. But this is, you know, amongst in that industry, youre seeing it and youre seeing it, of course. And its the whataboutery. And also its the hypocrite. Me as also its the hypocrite. Me as well. When you compare it to other progressive movements and to see people here, the celebration. But this this , you know, but this this, you know, were dealing here also i said pure racial hatred. But were deaung pure racial hatred. But were dealing here with extremist fundamentalist islam. Arent we . And i, i never, ever think that it makes sense to compare anything to , ever. But in this anything to, ever. But in this case, actually, the mindset is quite similar, isnt it . Yeah. Actually tried to hide their crimes. Yeah, thats true. And this not put it on facebook. Theyre proud of it. Theyre celebrating it. Its a this is not an original thought here. Ive seen other people say it , ive seen other people say it, but we are making a mistake of trying to impose our western ideals onto onto hamas. And their ilk because it isnt there isnt we cant apply our reasoning and our logic. Everybody, you would hope most people want the world to be better. We want fairness. Thats i argue, we would say the one word that would define being british. The difference is how would we about that . Would we go about that . Fairness. Yeah, but this isnt like this is, as you say, like that. This is, as you say, its hatred. Its tied in with its hatred. Its tied in with dogma. Dogma. How have we come to this in this of all countries . Well, of all countries , yeah. All countries, yeah. You see Suella Braverman again, someone i dont agree with on many, many things. But you see her now, now having to tell the police youve got to youve got to shut this down, do something. You know, when a year or so we in driving through or so ago we in driving through north london, were cars draped with palestinian flags and men shouting, were going to rape your mothers, were going to rape your sisters and whatnot. Rape your sisters and whatnot. And then theyre found and theyre and theyre let go. Never charged. Thats how it happens. It happens because happens. It happens because a teacher who is gone to every possible length to cover himself, to protect his students , but to have a discussion is then forced to go into hiding because of death threats. And its because its because a child is drops a quran and is then having to be paraded in front of the media. His mother shamed and the police nodding along. We live in a liberal along. We live in a liberal democracy. Democracy. Weve appeased all of this, havent we . This has been incremental steps. So to the point where a thousand, 1200 people, babies was murdered, beheaded and children im sorry to say, attacked, attacked , sexually attacked, attacked, sexually kidnapped. And yet thousands of people go on to our streets. And its not just here. Its across the liberal. We have in australia. Oh, its happening in paris. As we speak. You know, people hundreds of people shouting outside, gassed the jews. Yeah, yeah. This doesnt happen just overnight. This happens incrementally because we are not protecting our values. Appropriate josh i think youre absolutely right. Absolutely right. And thats all were ever going to agree on. Well, you never know. You never know. But thank you for coming on and putting the case as as well. As passionately as well. You for having me on. Thank you for having me on. Thank you for having me on. Appreciate it. Well language is important as josh is very, very important as josh and agreed. Is it and i just agreed. Why is it that bbc refused to call that the bbc refused to call Hamas Terrorists . In fact, they often them as hamas often refer to them as hamas fighters , if somehow they are fighters, as if somehow they are very , very noble. Well, ex bbc very, very noble. Well, ex bbc veteran roger bolton and i will discuss that in just two minutes youre listening to gb news radio. And i struggled on radio. And i struggled on sunday morning listening to the bbc news at 6 00 in the morning when they talked about hamas , but they talked about hamas, but they talked about hamas, but they didnt talk about them as terrorists. Terrorists. No, they called them militants later on that day, i heard them described as fighters. And theres one fighters. And theres been one hell row going on a letter hell of a row going on a letter sent to lord grey, the boss of ofcom, some very ofcom, by some very, very prominent barristers saying, for goodness sake, just look at the terrorism act of 2000. Look at what the definitions of this are, what is going on now . John simpson, bbc veteran , has simpson, bbc veteran, has defended this by saying are but if we call them terrorists, it means were taking sides. Well, means were taking sides. Well, roger bolton is a bbc veteran radio four presenter, panorama editor and now does his own podcast called beeb. Watch. Roger we know with every big issue the bbc will get criticised for whatever it says or whatever it does , but it or whatever it does, but it seems in this case case that the barbara ism that was committed on israeli soil, i dont see how the bbc cant describe that as being terrorists. It can and it has described it as being a terrorist act. But theres a difference between talking about the acts themselves and then labelling themselves and then labelling the hamas terrorist the Organisation Hamas terrorist organisation. The reason the organisation. Now the reason the bbc doesnt do that is its a bbc, its a Worldwide Organisation and what it wants to do, it wants people around the world to believe that it doesnt take sides. It reports because there are a whole range of in the arab world will of people in the arab world will not want to believe the reality of what hamas did. And if the bbc starts to use terms like calling it a terrorist organisation, then theyll say, look, bbc is taking sides. Look, the bbc is taking sides. What bbcs job is to what the bbcs job is, is to report and to say, yes, that was an look at this. An act of terror. Look at this. But also, you know, look at whats happening now in gaza. Whats happening now in gaza. Look at the absence of water and other things. And the bbc needs to report from there, though, its more difficult. Point its more difficult. The point is trust in the end, the bbc wants to be trusted to be impartial, but impartial doesnt mean you dont take sides when you see dead bodies. You say there dead bodies. You say if they have been beheaded, theyve been beheaded. Yeah. Simpson, John Simpsons john simpson, John Simpsons words misunderstood words perhaps were misunderstood in that context. He was saying the never takes well, the bbc never takes sides. Well, thats the problem with the bbc is appalling at actually explaining these things. Often resents the fact and it often resents the fact it explain them. But its it has to explain them. But its understandable if people understandable that if people see horrors , why should they see the horrors, why should they understand this distinction and the need or the bbcs perceived need would actually to be regarded impartial. Its regarded as impartial. Its trust. And i say, you know, in arguments like this , there is arguments like this, there is a group of people just waiting to say, see the bbc is biased. Youve somehow got to get the information across to them. Information across to them. I guess the problem is that for a domestic british audience and with hamas being a proscribed terrorist organisation , can you see why organisation, can you see why our viewers are getting quite upset about this . Yeah, i think so. And it reminds me very much of the situation in Northern Ireland where, you know, particularly after things like friday and a whole range of events where the ira committed atrocities , acts ira committed atrocities, acts of terror, there was a desire to say its terrorism and i remember mrs. Thatcher and bernard ingham, her press secretary, saying to me and to others, you know, come on, call it out for what it is. The problem is its militant republicans committing acts of terror. And if you simply call them terrorists, those who support them, you know, will not listen to you. You need to explore why theyre behaving in that way. What is their rationale and expose what theyre if you simply say theyre doing. If you simply say theyre doing. If you simply say theyre terrorists and you use this phrase, this appalling phrase, meaningless , its not meaningless, its not meaningless, its not meaningless. You know, we should meaningless. You know, we should reject their meaning. But what reject their meaning. But what hamas is doing now is not meaningless. Its carefully calculated to create the most appalling reaction from israel. And then if theyre lucky, theyre lucky. Has buller invading from the north and away we go. So i think what you need is a News Organisation that is calm, dispassionate, doesnt use terms like terrorist easily, but does say these children have been appallingly killed. And this is an act of terror. All right, roger, thank you. All right, roger, thank you. Final thought. All right, roger, thank you. Final thought. Modern age final thought. Modern age streaming. We pay for this. We streaming. We pay for this. We pay streaming. We pay for this. We pay for that. We choose what we watch, what we consume. The licence fee cant last for long, can it . Now, what weve got, i think the last week is a secondary secondary thing. The first thing is, is there a role for a Public Service broadcaster . Secondly, how do you provide how do you provide it . Third, how do you for it . Third, how do you pay for it . Third, how do you pay for it . We argue about how it . So we can argue about how you for it, but lets not you pay for it, but lets not there should be somewhere an organisation which tries be organisation which tries to be impartial then people impartial because then people like a bit more like you can be a bit more partial as long as there is this central. We dont central organisation. We dont want to go the fox route where as you know, in a recent court case it was revealed that murdoch and his chief executives and his presenters lied about donald trump winning the election and 80 of Republican Voters believed them. And yet all the private documents show that murdoch and his associates know that was a lie. And thats what the court decided. Yeah. And so what we dont want is fox over here or and if youre going to have fox over here and youre nowhere lets youre nowhere near fox, lets make theres a bbc as well. Make sure theres a bbc as well. Right, roger, absolute all right, roger, absolute pleasure you the pleasure to have you on the program. Now go program. Were now going to go to jerusalem to join ambassador david friedman, who, course, david friedman, who, of course, was ambassador to israel was the Us Ambassador to israel for years up until 2021. For many years up until 2021. Ambassador its an absolute pleasure to have you on the program. You were at the heart out of this incredibly successful negotiation that abraham accords, which i think was trumps great, great sort of testament to his Foreign Policy dunng testament to his Foreign Policy during his years as president. And as i understand it, a deal with saudi arabia was very, very close to happening. Do you think close to happening. Do you think part of hamass motivation is to break this down . Well, i think its certainly a part of irans motivation. And a part of irans motivation. And i think iran controls hamas. Im i think iran controls hamas. Im not sure hamas has any in dependent will or capacity outside of its funding and direction by iran. So, sure, i mean, this was incredibly threatening to iran. And, you threatening to iran. And, you know , i think that this was this know, i think that this was this was undoubtedly a motivation. You know , the hamas part of it, you know, the hamas part of it, you know, theyre just barbaric thugs who murder, rape and destroy and kidnap inaya people. But but iran , i think, was very but but iran, i think, was very much interested in and they succeeded. And at least for the succeeded. And at least for the short run, theyve succeeded. Now there wont be any normalisation between israel and saudi arabia in the next certainly in the next certainly not not in the next six months. No. I can see no, no, no, no. I can see that very, very clearly now, you must have noticed that all around world are around the world and there are people at un and in senior people at the un and in senior positions of government saying to netanyahus government, now National Government that they formed that they must use restraint and yet out, given the barbarism thats just been inflicted upon them , its very inflicted upon them, its very difficult. Is it possible that difficult. Is it possible that israel can show restraint and actually isnt their job now to go and deal with hamas . I dont know how much restraint did did the uk show when hitler attacked . I . I mean, you know, is that a good would that have been a good strategy . I mean , i dont think strategy . I mean, i dont think so. I think everybody would be speaking german. Right now across european continent. Across the european continent. Look, no, absolutely no restraint. This is not the restraint. This this is not the time to manage a conflict the way israel has done over the past. You know, 10 or 15 of these episodes. They degrade hamas to three years later, they come back stronger than ever. This is the time to defeat hamas , to kill each and every terrorist. Theyre it for terrorist. Theyre doing it for themselves. Doing for themselves. Theyre doing it for themselves. Theyre doing it for the people of gaza are the people of gaza who are oppressed will be oppressed by hamas. They will be perhaps an unintended beneficiary theyre beneficiary of that. Theyre doing entire world doing it for the entire world because in this day and age, you dont know how many of these agents are all around. Theyre in everybodys midst they agents are all around. Theyre in evnto bodys midst they agents are all around. Theyre in evnto bers midst they agents are all around. Theyre in evnto be defeated they agents are all around. Theyre in evnto be defeated the they agents are all around. Theyre in evnto be defeated the same need to be defeated the same way, approach that was way, the same approach that was taken against the is the right approach here. I dont see any difference. I mean, these are people who have committed the worst against the jewish worst attack against the jewish people in 75 years. It wasnt a holocaust because it was only one day, but it was a day out of the holocaust. And it cant happen again. The one problem here, of course, ambassador, a course, ambassador, is that a ground in street by ground operation in street by street building, by building in the very over populated, heavily populated gaza, it will mean many civilian casualties , wont many civilian casualties, wont it . It . Well, look, you know , you well, look, you know, you know, i heard the either President Biden or one of his team speak about the importance of israel adopting the laws of war. Well, the laws of war, which ive studied provide is that when a civilian and by the way, you know, i think youre being charitable calling these people civilians because, as you know, they voted for hamas. Theyre cheering the streets. Theyre cheering on the streets. Theyre cheering on the streets. Theyre candies theyre handing out candies right looking at pictures right now, looking at pictures of dead babies and raped women. So, you know , im being so, you know, im being charitable by calling them civilians. But nonetheless, when terrorists are embedded within civilians , when civilians civilians, when civilians provide them with aid and comfort and safe passage and aid and sustenance and a place to hide, theyre in harms way. I mean, thats thats the law. Im sure youre right. Im sure there are. You know, people in gaza that are supporting hamas. But bet there are hamas. But i bet there are plenty that dont as well. And a final quick thought , if i may. Final quick thought, if i may. You know, we heard the egyptians saying given the saying theyd given the netanyahu government intelligence reports that intelligence been reports that even the saudis gave them some intelligence. Was this a big, big failure by the Israeli Government . Government . Well, it was a big failure because it happened regardless of whether the intelligence came or not. I mean, israel doesnt depend upon, you know, egyptian intelligence, but israels better than this, of course. And i think everyone is everyone is in shock that that this fence , in shock that that this fence, which hadnt been breached in 50 years, was breached in this matter this time to do that post mortem right now, weve got to win the war and then well figure out how to make sure it never happens again. Ambassador saban, thank you very joining live very much for joining me live down the line from jerusalem. Thank you. A moment, our thank you. In a moment, our pnsons thank you. In a moment, our prisons are full. We cant even send rapists to prison. It seems almost unbelievable. But sadly, its true. All of that and a couple of minutes youre listening to gb news radio. Judges youre listening to gb news radio. Judges in england, youre listening to gb news radio. Judges in england, wales radio. Judges in england, wales have been told that from next week , when people are convicted week, when people are convicted of burglary or even rape, they will not go straight to prison because the prisons are full. How on earth have we got ourselves into this ipso extraordinary mess . Well, rhys rosseris extraordinary mess . Well, rhys rosser is a criminal barrister at law firm two bedford row. At law firm two bedford row. Rhysi at law firm two bedford row. Rhys i mean, its almost unbelievable. Unbelievable. It is, and it isnt. Nigel because the signs have been there for a number of years. We had a court of appeal case earlier this year where our judges in the court of appeal said were going to discourage courts from imposing short term custodial sentences because of pnson custodial sentences because of prison overcrowding. Its been a prison overcrowding. Its been a perfect storm of a reduction in funding in real terms. The end of the backlog, which built up over covid and also changes in sentencing regimes, which mean right or wrong, dangerous or those are categorised as dangerous offenders automatically as serving two thirds of a sentence rather than a half. A half. Yeah, okay. That clearly makes the difference in the governments defence. Looking at the numbers, you know, the pnson the numbers, you know, the prison population is 88,000 and thatis prison population is 88,000 and that is 10,000 more than it was two years ago. So when Steve Barclay or the others are doing the rounds, theyre saying, no, no, weve done more than any government in modern times to increase prison places. Theyre right. And i understand sentences going from a half to two thirds, which im sure our, you our viewers would you know, our viewers would agree. Yet isnt the agree with. And yet isnt the truth of it that the criminal base in this country is growing as well and not necessary . As well and not necessary . Only part of the other side of this is what happens before a trial. So previously , you would trial. So previously, you would expect in line with whats called a custody time limit for someone to not spend more than six months in prison awaiting trial. Thats almost doubled in the last three years. That that contributes to it as well as a nation. Were only slightly above average for the number of people in prison per capita. Yeah. And so i dont think you can necessarily say its as a result of there being more crime. Its as a result of a change in approach that people are spending more time in prison i so clearly, i mean, you know, its funny, isnt it . We get hundreds of young men on a calm day, cross the english channel. It seems that we can find accommodation for them. And yet from next week, theyll be rapists, convicted rapists , rapists, convicted rapists, walking around, you know, waiting for a prison space effectively. So isnt the answer effectively. So isnt the answer to this if were going to have longer sentences , is even though longer sentences, is even though weve improved on a number of places, weve got to build more prisons. And didnt the recent jailbreak , you know, jailbreak, you know, from wandsworth show that actually these victorian prisons these creaking victorian prisons arent really fit for purpose . Yes. Theyre not fit for purpose at all. And theres two problems with first of all is the with that. First of all is the infrastructure as you say, wandsworth prison. Know wandsworth prison. I know you wont been, but no wont have been, but no creaking, no thank you. Is the word. Is the word. But the other side of that as well is the staffing that we have. If you look at the graphs that we have as to how many years prison staff have been in the in the occupation , in the the in the occupation, in the split between those between 1 and 4 years and those far more senior has. Absolutely. The senior guys have gone replaced by new people. It is a mess. Rhys rosser, thank you. Coming in and joining us, the what farage moment is the what the farage moment is the sheer gutlessness the sheer gutlessness of the Football Association. You see the wembley arch when the the famous wembley arch when the ukrainian happened. Ukrainian invasion happened. Well up goes the arch in ukrainian lights. And you know, when we had the atrocities, the horrible terrorist atrocities in france , well, we get the french france, well, we get the french flag and its there and its very, very clear. And then of very, very clear. And then of course, we get the lgbt plus flag that goes up when the world cups been playing in qatar. And our footballers, our National Team , take the knee to black team, take the knee to black lives matter, who turned out to be a complete bunch of wronguns who werent really campaigning for racial justice, and yet after the attack on israel , the after the attack on israel, the Football Association firmly will not will not put the israeli flag up on the wembley arch. This actually is part of the appeasement act that josh howie was talking about with such passion at the beginning of this program. The fa are plain wrong. Program. The fa are plain wrong. What has happened in israel was unwarranted and absolutely appalling in every way. 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Why, oh why are we giving in . Why do we want to make the grand national . Why are we trying to downgrade it by making the fences easier for fewer horses as regular watchers of this program will know, there year. Know, i was there this year. There bigger problems , there are bigger problems, frankly, disruptors these frankly, from disruptors these days than there are from the fences regular viewers will know that i went to the grand national this yean went to the grand national this year, having before before had a conversation with one of the guys that disrupted it. And i was back here on the monday well, a fact that i was at the national. I loved it, but i was absolutely furious that these idiots had caused those horses as i saw to sweat up giving as i saw it, to sweat up giving us more fallers and withdrawals at the first and second fence than wed had combined. And for the last 7 or 8 years since the fences were changed. And of course, hill 16 one of the favourites fell and was put down at first well, im joined by at the first well, im joined by oliver shennood grand National Winning trainer in 2015 with many clouds. Oliver, what many clouds. Oliver, what happened this year was bad for the animals, wasnt it . Yeah, absolutely. I mean, to yeah, absolutely. I mean, to lose any horse is bad , you know, lose any horse is bad, you know, im adamant in my own mind and i think most trainers or most people involved in the industry would that those people would admit that those people caused the death of that horse. Those animals are trained to the second. And some of them did boil over. Theres no question about it. And yet and yet we understand this morning that theres a big review of the grand national. They want to limit the number of horses from 40 to 34. They want to take the 11th fence down by a couple of inches. They want to pull the start line back so the horses arent going at quite the same pace when they go to the first. And it seems to me that to bring in these changes now is were almost doing it because of the protests. Its almost like the protests. Its almost like were giving in. Were trying to take the grand national, which, you know, we discussed this before the program. Its a global event, isnt it . The grand national totally. As we were discussing beforehand , when i was lucky beforehand, when i was lucky enough to win the national, i did so many interviews, post post race, post days on my phone and i always actually they asked me what i always wanted to win the grand national. I said, well, actually no. I wanted to win the cheltenham gold cup and virtually every single said, virtually every single one said, whats that . But the grand national event. Whats that . But the grand natiorand event. Whats that . But the grand natiorand and event. Whats that . But the grand natiorand and i event. Whats that . But the grand natiorand and i would ent. Whats that . But the grand natiorand and i would like to yeah. And and i would like to reiterate that , that this has reiterate that, that this has all been industry led. Its not all been industry led. Its not a knee jerk reaction after every national they do have a debrief and even after we won the after i won it with many clouds they debriefed a lot of trainers and got to get a got a consensus of opinion over trying to improve the race every little bit. I the race every little bit. I think its sad. Im a bit of a traditionalist to bring it down from 40 to 34, but i see where theyre coming from. But theyre theyre coming from. But theyre appeasing a lobby. I mean , this race, the do i mean, this race, the do gooders, this race has been going since, i think its 1837. Going since, i think its1837. I think it is the First National and theyre appeasing not just do gooders. Theyre appeasing a group of people who actually want to end jump racing. Absolutely. And we mustnt absolutely. And we mustnt forget that these animals what do you do them if they want to stop racing National Hunt racing. I do fear for it. Not in our lifetime , willing. Our lifetime, god willing. But i do fear for National Hunt racing. I do think its sad and im more concerned about some statements the likes of the rspca have come out and saying this is the start of something they might make changes for later on. So whos to say in five years time theyre going to bnng five years time theyre going to bring it down from 34 to 30 to 25. Theyll reduce the fences down for even smaller, even smaller. And then later on, then its a non event. It becomes like any then it becomes like any other race. Then it becomes like any oth yeah, race. Then it becomes like any oth yeah, it race. Then it becomes like any oth yeah, it wont be the grand yeah, it wont be the grand national. Itll be the English National. Itll be the English National over smaller fences. And its not same wherever and its not the same wherever there is animals, wherever you get livestock, you get dead stock. End of story. My father stock. End of story. My father told me that years ago, and its risk for us to walk out onto the road. Its a risk for horses. Do road. Its a risk for horses. Do they want to take away . Also . Theyre bred to be competitive and theyre bred for this. What are you going to do for this . And they love it. And they love it. They love it. You get the majority, some of them dont. And they moved on to other disciplines. Yeah but the majority are competitive majority of them are competitive like you and i, we like being competitive. Like to beat competitive. We like to beat somebody or somebody at a game of squash or a darts or whatever. We a game of darts or whatever. We are naturally competitive. So are naturally competitive. So are racehorses. They are those racehorses. They take that away from them. I think its very, very sad. State of its very, very sad. State of affairs. Yeah, no, do. Affairs. Yeah, no, i do. Know, what and overall, you know, what is the state of the sport . I mean, i guess without it, maybe this applies more to the flat, but without all the money coming in from the billionaire sheikhs , it would be struggling, wouldnt it . But as we were again discussing beforehand and the money in the game , people the money in the game, people spending on horses, forget flat racing for a second into jumpers is astronomical and people are spending money. It is a hobby for the owners as the flat is a bit more of a business as theyre buying and theyve got to quite important parts of the anatomy. The flat people to become stallions and cover mares and carry on that tradition. The jumping people dont. And as i say, its a hobby. Dont. And as i say, its a hobby. Its like you dont. And as i say, its a hobby. Its like you and i, being a member of a golf club, but much more expensive , but much more expensive, obviously. And the owners, yeah, we mustnt forget how many people it employs from the stable staff , from the owners, stable staff, from the owners, the farriers, the vets , the the farriers, the vets, the people who work on the racecourses. It goes on for racecourses. It goes on for a long, long time. Racecourses. It goes on for a long, longtime. Um, and to lose long, long time. Um, and to lose all that would be a sad. But you cant argue with those sort of people who want to stop the game because they would argue that black white. Because they would argue that bla and white. Because they would argue that bla and if hite. Because they would argue that bla and if you had to say to a and if you had to say to a viewer whod never been to watch jump viewer whod never been to watch jump racing, where would you recommend . Where would good jump racing, where would you recomto 5nd . Where would good jump racing, where would you recomto md� to [here would good jump racing, where would you recomto md� to watch vould good jump racing, where would you recomtomd� to watch ituld good jump racing, where would you recomtomd� to watch it ifd good place to go to watch it if youve never been before . Come to a yard. First of all, come to a yard. Yeah, to a yard where the horses are kept. I wont go down because Everybody Knows in the game are as like game that they are kept as like being five star hotel. Being in a five star hotel. Thats not just to see them , but thats not just to see them, but id cant appease them. Id say you cant appease them. You of you cant. You cannot sort of you cant. You cannot sort of you cant. You just cannot relate. They you just cannot relate. They cant relate to it. And then take them to the racecourses. They dont understand the mentality of a horse race. Those people i personally think sometimes were banging your head against a brick wall. But what i what we do want them to do is occasionally stand up to people, stand up to these people. And as you said earlier, not just let them walk all over us, which this is what i think is happening, but this does worry me that you said theyve gone from from 40 to 34. They have. Im not im not adverse to them bringing the first fence or them bringing the first fence or the start closer to the first fence. But we want to see that more. Want to see the cavalry charge, dont we . Do thats the grand national, for goodness sake. Absolute lutely, right . Were both traditionalists like that, and thats part of the fun of it. Yeah. Okay. You do get there been a death do get there hasnt been a death for years. I shouldnt for six years. I shouldnt i dont want to say that the whole time. You do get them. You time. But you do get them. You get them in every day. Time. But you do get them. You getwell, in every day. Time. But you do get them. You getwell, in every day. Time. But you do get them. You getwell, i thinky day. Time. But you do get them. You getwell, i thinky d. All know well, i think we all know what killed hill 16 this year. 100 agree. We agree on that. And finally, oliver, tell me, whats you youve whats it like . You know, youve trained this horse. Trained this horse. Ridden in it as well. Ive ridden in it as well. Ive ridden in it as well. Ridden i know you youve ridden it. I know you did but youve trained did before. But youve trained this and wins the grand this horse and it wins the grand national. Be pretty cool. Its the best thing ive ever , ever done in training. I was training 39 years, and its training for 39 years, and its the pve training for 39 years, and its the ive ever done. The best thing ive ever done. It was just it was life changing. And i mean that because im known now as because im always known now as a National Winning trainer. I cant take away from i cant take it away from you. Question. Oliver you. No question. Oliver shennood, thank you for joining me. Now ive been this me. Now ive been on this de banking crusade and there have been some warm words from the British Government and the fca had a review. It was pretty unsatisfactory, but is, im told, to come. But its told, more to come. But its happening everywhere. Can you believe that . Ing bank in germany have now said we will. We will not open an account for you. In fact, we will close your account. If youre a business thatis account. If youre a business that is not committed to reducing your Carbon Dioxide output and the nab bank in australia , they will close your australia, they will close your account. If you say things that account. If you say things that are mean , then i wonder. Jacob are mean, then i wonder. Jacob rees mogg , do you say things rees mogg, do you say things that are mean . Could could lead you to you being de banking . You to you being de banking . I very rarely say things that are mean, but the whole concept of mean, how do you define a schoolyard . Some years, some decades ago, it just seems particularly wet and the green thing from ing is really very sinister. This is you see, we saw this with rishis really important announcement and the drawing back of some of the green promises and the admission of some of the cost. The green zealotry will not happen without forcing people to behave in a particular way and that requires all sorts of institutions to make our lives less easy to live. And ing is just admitting that to get to net zero, youre going to get to net zero, youre going to have to de banking people who dont force most people. And itll be true of other things. Well have to fly less. Well have to drive less. The climate have to drive less. The Climate Change committee has put out a report today saying its disappointed that rishi sunak isnt encouraging the demand changes. Well, that means all the things he was accused of making up, like not eating meat. So theyre back onto all of that. Its about controlling and changing your life and ing. Changing your life and ing. They never yeah, they never give the game away. Im afraid so. In brief, jacob, tonight. What are we going to talk about . Got lord wolfson on to talk about letter sent by the about the letter sent by the lawyers. Really important letter to bbc trying out to the bbc trying to find out why this random why theyve made this random decision not to say terrorist when they the term the whole when they use the term the whole time about all sorts of people, but all sorts of people. Its clearly political. Absolutely but all sorts of people. Its cle. Jacob litical. Absolutely but all sorts of people. Its cle. Jacob rees mogg, utely but all sorts of people. Its cle. Jacob rees mogg, in ely but all sorts of people. Its cle. Jacob rees mogg, in a but all sorts of people. Its cle. Jacob rees mogg, in a moment. Jacob rees mogg, in a moment. Well, this week. Well, thats it for this week. Im back live at 7 00 im back with you live at 7 00 on evening. Have a great on monday evening. Have a great weekend. The weekend. Lets hope the weathers good. Hello im alex burkill. Heres your latest. Gb news weather update. Its going to turn wet and windy as we go through tonight into tomorrow. But then something colder is on the way as we go into the weekend. We have an area of low pressure to the south west of the uk and its this thats going to track across england and wales as go through and wales as we go through tonight friday, bringing tonight into friday, bringing some rain and strong winds some heavy rain and strong winds further there will be some further north there will be some showery rain pushing its way southwards with low pressure southwards and with low pressure nearby by northern parts of scotland are going to be blustery windy as we go blustery and windy as we go through night as well. Could through the night as well. Could be a little bit chilly for some parts of scotland. Milder further temperatures further south, temperatures in the but it is the mid teens celsius, but it is going be a and windy going to be a wet and windy start friday and staying wet start to friday and staying wet and windy as we go through much of the heavy rain could of the day. The heavy rain could cause some problems on the roads. Some spray is quite likely. You factor likely. And when you factor in those winds, likely those strong winds, were likely to bit of disruption. The to see a bit of disruption. The high totals of rain, particularly over welsh particularly over the welsh mountains, some mountains, could lead to some flooding theres a risk of flooding and theres a risk of some across southern some thunder across southern parts well. Quite parts as well. Staying quite warm though, warm in the south, though, temperatures low 20s temperatures in the low 20s here, north, even here, colder further north, even though will be brighter and though it will be brighter and sunnier with some into sunnier with some showers into saturday, a chilly, perhaps frosty start for many of us. Then plenty of showers feeding down on cold northerly winds. So its particularly towards the north east of scotland where theyll be most frequent and heaviest. Are going to heaviest. But they are going to become a bit more widespread as we through afternoon. We go through the afternoon. Even of wintry even the chance of some wintry ness over scotland before sunday and mostly dry, away hello. Good evening. Its me, jacob rees mogg, on state of the nafion jacob rees mogg, on state of the nation today. Jacob rees mogg, on state of the nation today. Right. The bbc nation today. Right. The bbc continues to refuse to label hamas the organisation which launched the devastating attack against israel over the weekend. As what they are as what they really are terrorists by scrutinising how they have previously handled terror groups, its become clear that the bbc is treating hamas as an exception. This is indefensible and must change now. More than £108 million was transferred to cryptocurrency accounts controlled by hamas and its terrorist allies in the first half of this year. We need to look critically at cryptocurrencies and how they can facilitate complex and deadly terror attacks. Can any deadly terror attacks. Can any lawful person trust them , or are lawful person trust them, or are they merely a mechanism for Money Laundering and illegality closer to home . Amid fears that this week british prisons will run out of space, Crown Court Judges have been advised not to jail criminals such as rapists and burglars. A traffic chief and burglars. A traffic chief has warned that current error rates mean more than 2 million drivers per day could be wrongly fined or speed cameras. Fined by ulez or speed cameras. And literary treat to finish and a literary treat to finish off your thursday jacobs book club is back and we have one of the most prestigious authors to kick back with. Nigel kick it back off with. Nigel biggar will be joining me the biggar will be joining me in the studio his book, studio to discuss his book, colonialism a reckoning colonialism a moral reckoning state of the nation starts now. State of the nation starts now. Ill be joined by a particularly enthusiastic panel this evening. Ihave enthusiastic panel this evening. I have with me the brilliant historian and broadcaster tessa dunlop, as well as the prestigious Deputy Editor of conservative home, henry hill. As before, i dont always as i said before, i dont always know the answers. Let me know what you think. Male margaret gbnews. Com. The lady who gbnews. Com. But now the lady who has all the answers Polly Middlehurst with the. News middlehurst with the. News jacob thank you. And a very good evening to you. Well, the news that is broken within the last hour is that the uk is now sending spy planes and two Royal Navy Ships to the Eastern Mediterranean in new plans to support israel. The aircraft support israel. The aircraft will begin spy patrols tomorrow. Surveillance aircraft, theyre believed to be to track threats