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Addressing a peace summit in egypt, the foreign secretary said hes spoken to the Israeli Government about its duty to respect International Law and the importance of preserving civilian lives. James cleverly civilian lives. James cleverly also told the conference that efforts need to be made to prevent an escalation in violence. As we have a duty, a duty to Work Together to prevent instability from engulfing the region and claiming yet more lives. We must Work Together to lives. We must Work Together to prevent the tragic situation in gaza becoming a regional conflict, gaza becoming a regional conflict , because that gaza becoming a regional conflict, because that is exactly what hamas wants. The exactly what hamas wants. The trucks carrying humanitarian aid have now reached southern gaza. Have now reached southern gaza. Its after the rafah crossing on the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. Israel imposed a blockade preventing the delivery of food, water and fuel. After the hamas terror attack. Meanwhile israels Prime Minister has vowed to continue to fight until all hostages being held by hamas are freed. Its after two are freed. Its after two american citizens Judith Raanan and her 17 year old daughter natalie, were released yesterday. Hamas says the decision was made on humanitarian grounds. Its believed more than 200 people are still being held by the terrorist group pro palestine minion. Protests have been taking place in cities across the uk. Theyre calling for an the uk. Theyre calling for an end to the conflict in the middle east and demanding the government stop supporting israels actions. Police israels actions. Police estimate up to 100,000 people took part in a protest through Central London in salford , a Central London in salford, a group marched to the bbcs media city headquarters over the course narrations reporting of the israel Hamas Conflict and around 2000 people also took to the streets in belfast. Rallies were also held in birmingham and cardiff. In other news, tributes cardiff. In other news, tributes are being paid to sir Bobby Charlton, who has died at the age of 86. He was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966 and a club legend at Manchester United. His family said he passed peacefully in the early hours of this morning. In a statement, united described sir bobby as one of the most beloved players in the history of the club. The prince of wales, who president of the fa, called him a true a true great, who will be remembered forever. The Environment Agency is warning floods are likely to continue near major rivers in england until tuesday. Storm england until tuesday. Storm babet is dumping heavy rain in parts of the east midlands and south yorkshire. Nottingham Nottinghamshire County Council has declared a Major Incident with severe flooding warnings in derby. The city council says its experiencing the highest recorded water levels of the river dennent, with roads flooded across the city. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to the. Saturday five. The. Saturday five. She has lisa now folks, its your saturday night and youre with the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes. And when its cold and wet outside, you really are best off settling for down the two hours and enjoying the next two hours and enjoying some heated debate from all of us. Its a hell of a lot cheaper than putting the heating on. Now lets crack on with tonights first topic. Thousands of people took pro palestine took part in a pro palestine demonstration today. Demonstration in london today. To the anger of many, it has to be said, just a couple of weeks after the sickening hamas assault on israel. But reem ibrahim says the right to free speech must not be unassailable. Even if you dont agree with what theyre saying, its high time we live the dream. Thank you, darren. Now, i believe in the fundamental freedom of expression. I think that when were looking at across the world in which countries have descended to authoritarianism, they tend to stop allowing freedom of expression. Now i completely understand that many individuals are incredibly upset as a result of various different protests. Of various different protests. But this particular phrase thats been used time and time again as during these protests, palestine will be free. And this idea that actually its from the river to the sea. Now, this river to the sea. Now, this particular quote has resulted in a lot of hate online. A lot of people saying that this particular phrase should actually be banned. Many people that are usually on my side of the argument, many people that actually usually argue for free speech have now descended into arguing for the complete decimation of this kind of individual freedom. Now, i would argue that i would like to see any individual that supports potentially proscribed terrorist organisations like hamas. I organisations like hamas. I would like to see them saying those things in open so that those things in the open so that we know where they are. We know where they are. Ultimately, if we start to ban different phrases, if we start to tell people that it is illegal to say different things, they are going to continue to talk about these ideas underground and unchall challenged. I think its incredibly important that we allow the fundamental right of freedom of expression, whether we agree with those opinions or not. And i would like to see the right to protest be used across the board. Now, the metropolitan the board. Now, the metropolitan police have also put out a statement calling out for effectively the individuals that are going to those protests to not support that terrorist organisations. Well, they have organisations. Well, they have said, though, is that they do have the right to protest and they do have the right to call out for these particular phrases. Now, this particular phrase from the river to the sea, palestine will be free can be interpreted in many, many different ways. But ultimately if were going to be banning language, were going to descend into a slippery slope of authoritarianism. So, leo, im authoritarianism. So, leo, im particularly interested in what your perspective might be on this. Do you think that there should be a limit to free speech . Well, of course there have to be limits to free speech. I mean, im a big advocate of free speech, but free speech cant be absolute. You cant have jihadis on the streets of london calling for murder, calling for the genocide of jews and really saying having saying it really having an impact going out impact. People are going out there committing terrorist there and committing terrorist atrocities. A few atrocities. We saw just a few days in belgium days ago a guy in belgium driving around on his moped shouting allah akbar and then murdering swedish football fans. So this is this is real world stuff. This isnt some academic discussion. So obviously, we need to limit freedom of speech and im fine. You know, these people people can can have people these people can can have their and their their their rallies and their protests wave their isis protests and wave their isis flags, but it do it in a flags, but do it do it in a muslim. Do it in the muslim world. Do in the arab world. World. Do it in the arab world. I i think its terrible i think i think its terrible that has been so soft that britain has been so soft and allowed completely alien culture that hate us and hate civilisation and want to destroy us to take root and fester and grow. Grow. I mean, i would argue that its not the culture thats doing that. Its actually there are a very small percentage of the population of these individuals that might be attending these protests that would hamas are would argue that hamas are a fantastic that are fantastic organisation that are supporting the freedom of palestine. Think we have palestine. Now i think we have to it and say thats to call it out and say thats unequivocally wrong. And actually those actually many of those individuals would be would have their freedom of expression reduced. Ultimately when reduced. But ultimately when were arguing for free speech, it cant just be for ideas that we agree with. We have to do it. But this goes beyond an idea. This is incitement to violence. And thats a crime. And i cant believe the police are pussyfooting around and saying, oh, no, call to jihad can oh, no, the call to jihad can have meanings. Have several meanings. Well, none good. Its not none of them are good. Its not like jihad can sometimes mean a cup of tea. Actually, i will say. And i actually, i will say. And i mean, somebody up mean, im somebody that grew up in sort of muslim family, mean, im somebody that grew up in sorhousehold. Family, mean, im somebody that grew up in sor household. The ily, mean, im somebody that grew up in sor household. The word muslim household. The word jihad itself does not necessarily mean terrorism. It actually means my struggle. , that struggle. Now, of course, that has occupied. Hitler has been occupied. Hitler yeah, hitler had this. Yeah, hitler had this. Yeah, hitler had this. Well, indeed. Now it has again been taken by various individuals and various different organisations have taken it to mean many things. I think investigations are perfectly reasonable into people that use phrase because of that use the phrase because of the way its been defined. I mean. Albee whats your perspective . Well, i think perspective well, i think my perspective is completely is i think its completely inappropriate to be inappropriate for people to be shouting the chant from the river to the sea. Palestine should be free. You know, i think most people interpret that as the israeli state should be wiped face of the world wiped off the face of the world because is what it because that is that is what it means. Many people down. Thats literally what it means. You listen to jews when you listen to jews to explain what it means. That what they say. And i. That is what they say. And i. And i and i and i trust them when that is what they are saying. But what i will say is where i do agree with you is where i do agree with you is where people that are calling for the protests themselves to be banned. Mean, thats be banned. I mean, thats complete nonsense. Of course, you protests, you cant be banning protests, people for people protesting for the freedom or People Freedom of palestine or people protesting because they think what going on in gaza and the what is going on in gaza and the humanitarian crisis there is unacceptable. Unacceptable i reem i just want to test how far youll go with this, because i think weve got a video show from londons tube today in which there was chant said, so which there was a chant said, so lets have a listen and watch that free palestine. That free palestine. Hope you will have a blessed day today and look after yourself that everybody. Yourself that everybody. So this is interesting because what should he be sacked . So this is interesting. Again, i do think i do think that its inappropriate for a pubuc that its inappropriate for a public servant, somebody thats being paid by taxpayer money to being paid by taxpayer money to be into political be entering into political discussions. I dont know if you guys saw on the video he used the to talk about the tannoy to talk about palestine being free again, that is an appropriate because its a pubuc is an appropriate because its a Public Sector figure, a public figure, a train driver to use utilising the power that he has on the train to advocate for something political. And i think thats wrong, especially when you think about the history of jews in trains. I think its the worst place you can possibly it. You can possibly do it. Well, i mean, benjamin, surely this is just for british jews. Saying, i dont jews. Theyre saying, i dont think live sadiq khans think i can live in sadiq khans london anymore. I mean, look, think i mean, look, i think one random driver isnt random tube driver isnt reflective the or of reflective of the mayor or of the city. But look, you know, reem, im sure lots of people were cheering you in all were cheering you on in that all of terrorists. I suspect of them terrorists. I suspect you what . It is incredibly you know what . It is incredibly naive for a protester in london was a terrorist. No, but the was a terrorist. No, but the people would supporting the people would be supporting the right to shout jihad people would be supporting the right to shoutjihad and ban right to shoutjihad and to ban the state of israel and to insult existence of jews. Insult the existence of jews. Those the people youre those are the people that youre supporting. And thing supporting. And the thing is, you to recognise that you dont seem to recognise that there form of there is no perfect form of freedom. There is no pure freedom. There is no pure freedom. You have to manage it. So the reason that somebody couldnt stand in the street and shout racist abuse at albee, that wouldnt be acceptable because that would take away his freedom to go about his life on a basic level. Absolutely not. And thats these people im and thats what these people im speaking. What these speaking. Thats what these people because they people are doing, because they are shouting means are shouting abuse. That means an just an average jewish person just trying their lives trying to go about their lives or an israeli person trying to go lives is go about their lives is threatened unable to feel threatened and unable to feel safe and is where safe. Okay. And that is where the is. The line is. So talk about this so lets talk about this particular phraseology that i mentioned in in the introduction palestine will be free. And this idea that its from the river to the sea and from the river to the sea and from the river to the sea, were talking about a geographic area. The palestine will free where that . Will be free where are in that . Is there application for is there an application for genocide or an advocation that remediation jewish. Remediation of jewish. Just think youre i just think youre incredibly you know, incredibly naive. You know, these jews these people, youre hate jews and you are defending their right to shout that on the streets of london. I think thats disgraceful. I know because arguing. I know because im arguing. I know because im arguing. You like someone from you sound like someone from novara iea. Novara media, not the iea. Believe freedom for i believe in freedom for everyone, just people. Everyone, not just for people. No dont. There there are no you dont. There are limits to free speech. You must that there are must accept that there are limits free speech. We have limits to free speech. We have libel in this country. We libel laws in this country. We have anti hate incitement laws in and it is right in this country. And it is right that they enforced, isnt it . I believe that every individual in country individual in this country has the to freedom of the right to freedom of expression, as are expression, so long as they are not inciting violence people. But thats exactly what these people doing. People are doing. They are not there is nothing in that phrase when they say that shouldnt exist, in that phrase when they say that they shouldnt exist, in that phrase when they say that they have. Dnt exist, in that phrase when they say that they have when xist, in that phrase when they say that they have when they talk when they have when they talk about paragliders attacked when they have when they talk abojews ragliders attacked when they have when they talk abojews and ders attacked when they have when they talk abojews and they attacked when they have when they talk abojews and they celebrateked when they have when they talk abojews and they celebrate that the jews and they celebrate that those free speech saying the state you can be anti zionist state of you can be anti zionist and be anti semitic. Okay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwerewe anti semitic. Okay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwere going semitic. Okay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwere going thave . Okay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwere going thave to kay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwere going thave to move were going to have to move on now. Its been a very heated debate, its been a very debate, but its been a very difficult rishi difficult week for rishi conservative this week. Conservative party this week. And think Darren Grimes might and i think Darren Grimes might be an even more be making it an even more difficult them. Is difficult week for them. It is high for prime time now. High time for prime time now. In the recent by elections of tamworth mid bedfordshire tamworth and mid bedfordshire for witnessed for the conservatives witnessed a staffordshire setback thanks to two thirds of their 2019 voters deciding to play truant in tamworth , labour secured in tamworth, labour secured a victory on a 35. 87 turnout, with a mere 811 votes more than their previous outing in mid bedfordshire echoed this narrative with a dwindled turnout and labour celebrating despite bagging 156 fewer votes than in 2019. Now, sir keir starmer, hes not exactly the pied piper, is he, yet tories are nowhere to be seen rallying behind a man. So power hungry that he twice champion jezza corbyn, a man with a soft spot for britains foes. For all to for britains foes. For all to thwart our brexit mandate. I remember the 2019 shift when my birthplace of consett swapped its