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The past 24 hours. Israel has now issued a warning to residents in the north of the strip, telling them to head south or they may be identified as sympathisers of terrorist organisation. An idf spokesman , organisation. An idf spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel peter lerner , Lieutenant Colonel peter lerner, says forces are only targeting hamas. We know extensive how extensive their tunnel mechanisms is , is and how they mechanisms is, is and how they are operating and using them. So were confident that we have good intelligence, but the realm of warfare is the, urn, its not the known knowns, its the unknowns , unknown knowns. And so unknowns, unknown knowns. And so we know that we have a brutal enemy. We dont know exactly enemy. We dont know exactly what theyre doing. We have a good grasp of their operational capabilities , and we need to capabilities, and we need to confront that. And remove that as if it was a tumour. A former head of the Palestinian Diplomatic Mission to the uk, Manuel Hassassian says he Still Believes in a two state solution. State solution. I dont try to put us, you know, all in a frame that we are terrorists as palestine says, there is a difference between there is a difference between the Palestinian People who want peace and security and there is a difference between the Palestinian Authority, which is the legitimate, legitimate representative of the Palestinian People who believe in a two state solution, who have condemned violence all along the question is, can israel stop state terrorism on equal basis . Us thats thats equal basis . Us thats thats the question. Security and humanitarian sources say a second convoy of aid has entered gaza. Yesterday, aid has entered gaza. Yesterday, 20 trucks carrying supplies were allowed into the strip after the rafah crossing on the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. The Un World Food Programme is describing the humanity situation in gaza as catastrophic. Vic immigration catastrophic. Vic immigration minister Robert Jenrick says diplomacy is key in helping civilians. Civilians. What we should be doing is using the assets of the uk , using the assets of the uk, which is our relationships with countries like egypt and israel and our Development Aid to support as many Vulnerable People as possible in gaza rather than creating small schemes to privilege a small number of people. The priority is to get the british nationals out and humanitarian aid in in a way which means it is not diverted and abused by the terrorist organisation. Terrorist organisation. One hamas violence in the region is spreading, with israel launching airstrikes in the occupied west bank, a compound beneath a mosque in the jenin refugee camp was hit. The Israeli Military claims it was being used by militants to organise attacks. Palestinian organise attacks. Palestinian medics say two people were killed and several others injured. And a search and rescue injured. And a search and rescue operation is undennay off the kent coast following reports a man on a Passenger Ship fell overboard. German Cruise Company overboard. German Cruise Company aida has confirmed its crew member of aida perla. The alarm was raised just before 9 00 this morning. Lifeboats supported by a helicopter are now scouring an area near ramsgate to new danger to life. Weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet. Severe wake of storm babet. Severe flood warnings are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire as water levels continue to rise. The number of people who have died during the storm has risen to four after police found the body of a woman in her 80s in chesterfield floods chesterfield. And floods are still affecting parts of the uk, including yorkshire, scotland, east anglia and the east midlands and Manchester United has opened a book of condolences at old trafford following the death of sir bobby charlton. He was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966. Flowers and football shirts have also been laid outside Manchester United stadium. The club says he will always be remembered as a giant of the game. Former remembered as a giant of the game. Former england manager Sam Allardyce has paid tribute to his kindness. He was a great ambassador for Manchester United and a great ambassador for football and england and such and such a kind person. I think thats what person. I think thats what everybody is. Tribute is explaining to what a great, great guy he was. What a contribution he made to football for england and for Manchester United. And of course , as united. And of course, as a youngster, i watched him in the World Cup Final on my black and white tv at the time, all those years ago. But it was a pleasure to know him. Every time i went to know him. Every time i went to old trafford, hed stop and have a chat with you. This is gb news across the uk , on tv, in news across the uk, on tv, in your car, on your Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now lets return to nana. Return to nana. Thank you sophia. Six minutes after 3 00. This is the gb news on tv online and on Digital Radio. Im nana akua. Now before radio. Im nana akua. Now before we get stuck into our debates over the next hour, let me introduce you again to my head to head. As the former labour mp Stephen Pound and also the former party mep ben former brexit party mep ben habib. Whats coming habib. Now heres whats coming up. Israels military have vowed to continue airstrikes on gaza and warns residents in the north of the territory to move south. Ill be speaking to security editor mark white. Hes there live in tel aviv. Well bring you the latest. More trouble for you the latest. More trouble for the metropolitan police who have come under fire again for allowing chants of jihad at a pro palestine march yesterday in london. Should the met police have intervened . Also, is rishi have intervened . Also, is rishi sunaks premiership in crisis . Well, we know it is, but according to reports, up to 25 mps are set to hand in a vote of no confidence against the Prime Minister following a double by election defeat on thursday. So should the tories cut their losses and ditch sunak or should they cut their losses and keep sunak . Im not sure whether therell be a difference. And also this is a big one, especially if youre a landlord. No fault evictions should they be banned . Rishi sunak could be pushing ahead with a policy to ban fault evictions, ban no fault evictions, which could see of landlords could see a lot of landlords moved out of the housing market. Many as an many have described this as an anti landlord bill. But do you agree . And finally, who do you agree . And finally, who do you think is more likely to cut taxes between tories and the taxes between the tories and the labour a new poll has labour party . A new poll has found that found that sir Keir Starmers party is to be the champion of lower taxes, but sees as a flip flopper on sees him as a flip flopper on many policies. And so he might many policies. And so he might or might not. Thats coming or he might not. Thats coming up the hour. Aslef tell up in the next hour. Aslef tell me what you think on everything were discussing. Email gb views gbnews. Com tweet me at. Gb gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. But first, israels military have sent an urgent warning to palestinians to move south of the gaza strip or risk being seen as terrorist sympathisers. Now, this comes as sympathisers. Now, this comes as israeli media reports that Hamas Terrorists have been captured in israel near the border with gaza after being in hiding since the attacks on the 7th of october. So im going to cross live now to tel aviv and speak to our home and security editor, mark white. Mark, so talk to me about whats been going on. Can you give me an update at. Yes its been a very busy day here in israel in terms of the ongoing conflict. Conflict. We have seen that escalation as promised by the Israeli Defence force in terms of the strikes on northern gaza to take out what they say are hamas targets ahead of this expected land invasion. And that has land invasion. And that has brought about a response, as we expect , with a significant expect, with a significant uptick, i think in rocket fire that has come out of gaza into israel throughout it today. Certainly attacking targets in southern israel and central israel, including just south of the tel aviv here just on the southern outskirts of this city this morning with a barrage of rockets being intercepted by israels air iron dome defence system. And the Israeli Defence force have just given an update actually on the figures for the number of rockets that have come over since the terrorist attacks of october the 7th. They say that. Of october the 7th. They say that. 7000 207,625 rockets have that. 7000 207,625 rockets have been launched from gaza since that day just over two weeks ago andits that day just over two weeks ago and its continuing as i speak to you. Another alert just south east of gaza this time with a barrage of rockets is coming over and being into cepted again by the iron dome system away from that nana taking you up to northern israel. The border with lebanon. The israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu has been visiting israeli troops up there. He has issued a very stark warning to the terror group hezbollah, warning them not to open up a new front in this conflict. There has, of course , been missile fire, course, been missile fire, sporadic fire coming across that border, across that lebanon border, across that lebanon border in recent days with the Israeli Forces returning fire, taking out these hezbollah targets. But Benjamin Netanyahu saying that there would be a reciprocal attack of unimaginable magnitude should hezbollah decide to enter this conflict in any meaningful way in the days ahead. On a more positive note, we have seen some more trucks coming across the gaza, israel , egyptian border, gaza, israel, egyptian border, the rafah crossing there, 20 yesterday. So far today were aware of 17 trucks that have crossed. Its a very small crossed. Its a very small number in comparison to the hundreds of trucks that would normally come into gaza when we are not in this particular conflict phase. Its badly needed. But what were not getting at the moment are fuel trucks coming over. And the trucks coming over. And the israelis have had no guarantees that the fuel supplies that come into to gaza would not then be taken by hamas, of course, which controls the gaza strip. In fact, the concern is that anyway , a lot of the aid supplies that are coming over will be commandeered by hamas. Commandeered by hamas. Oh, goodness. I mean, this is just its terrifying, really. Just its terrifying, really. Listen, mark, we will keep up to date with you throughout the show. Thank you so much for that. That is mark white. Hes there in tel aviv. We can now speak to david hacham. Now hes a former idf colonel and adviser to ministers of defence for arab affairs. Good afternoon, david. Thank you so much for joining me. Now a lot of people probably may not know the history, the Historical Context of it. I presume because youve been working this area for working within this area for decades that youll know with regard it or regard to the start of it or with the withdrawal and with the withdrawal in 2005 and all numerous sort of all the numerous sort of conflicts since. Talk to me conflicts ever since. Talk to me about what it was like and some of some things that have of some of the things that have happened throughout that conflict happened throughout that conyes, its hard to do it in a yes, its hard to do it in a very short way because we are speaking about, you know, dozens of years to the past. Listen, of years to the past. Listen, first of all, i would like to tell you that during my military service, i served in the gaza strip for almost eight years. This was like 30 years ago or more than 30 years ago during the first palestine, an uprising which is called in arabic intifada. I was there in the gaza in the gaza strip. I was gaza in the gaza strip. I was located in in the main city of gaza to the city of gaza. And i was the advisor for palestine and arab affairs to the commanders of the Southern Command and the cogat, the civilian Administration Commander inside gaza. You know, i must tell you in this regard that we have passed many, many events in the past which brought us to the present situation today of these , you know, last today of these, you know, last wave of terrorism from the gaza strip against the israeli civilians. I can tell you that i civilians. I can tell you that i think that one of the main junction in this regard, i dont want to go back, you know, many, many years to the past. Want to go back, you know, many, many years to the past. But ill tell you, frankly, i think june two thousand and seven, this was , i would say, the changing point in this regard as regard to the israeli, you know , to the israeli, you know, staying the israeli deployment in the gaza strip in june two thousand and seven, hamas has took an overall control of the gaza strip. And as a matter of fact, kicked out, expelled all the people of the Palestinian Authority , the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian Authority, which the head until today is mahmoud abbas. Abu mazen and hamas took over all control in gaza. This was the, i would say, the changing , you would say, the changing, you know, point in this regard. And from that period of time until today, hamas is in a full control of the gaza strip area. Control of the gaza strip area. And from june two thousand and seven, there were three major, you know, military operations of the idf with Israeli Defence forces inside gaza. Because you have to understand and the meaning of hamas, hamas, by the way, is the abbreviations of Harakat Al Muqawama al islamiyya, the Islamic Resistance movement. And listen carefully to the to the abbreviations of hamas. You abbreviations of hamas. You cannot find the word palestine or palestinian in the word because, you know, they the ambition of hamas is not only to liberate in quotations palestine and to be responsive for palestine, including, you know , palestine, including, you know, the west bank or judea and samaria. But at the same time, theyre looking of hamas is to all over the arab lands from ocean to ocean, from the indian ocean to the atlantic ocean, and to rebuild the islamic empire as it was after the time of the Prophet Muhammad and the first four caliphs in the in the time of the umayyad umayyad empire and abbasid empire on the ruins of the state of israel. You have of the state of israel. You have to know this. And as a matter of hamas is like an anti semitic , hamas is like an anti semitic, you know, Movie Movement against israel , you know, Movie Movement against israel, against you know, Movie Movement against israel , against the jews, israel, against the jews, calling to kill, to external date, to slaughter the jews. Date, to slaughter the jews. This is something that you have to take into consideration when im speaking about hamas ideology. So some people can elaborate. Sorry yes. But some people might argue that. I mean, can you separate hamas as a terrorist organisation with the governing body, hamas of those palestinian areas . Because some people, you know, is that are they separate entities or are they all one . Listen , we are speaking about listen, we are speaking about one organisation, one movement that that has two different, you know , i would say arms or know, i would say arms or defence department. There is like, you know, the ideological political one headed today by Ismail Haniya. I know him personally , Ismail Haniya and personally, Ismail Haniya and there is the operational wing of hamas headed by mohammad dev. This is the name of the of the of the leader of hamas. And and another one that has to be mentioned is somebody from khan younis. We have all the all the younis. We have all the all the names, you know, of khalid mashaal, Ismail Haniya, these are from the political wing. And the guys from the operational one, muhammad dev and mannan issa and all the others. And as issa and all the others. And as a matter of fact, there are operating in two, you know, different point, i would say sections. But at the same time, sections. But at the same time, we are speaking about one organisation, political operational. But in one organisation and now i would like to tell you in this respect that, you know, hamas is inciting all the time against israel. You know, in the ideology of hamas, you cannot find the word israel. There is no israel. We are from the hamas side. Al yahudi, the jewish entity or al zayani , the zionist entity or al zayani, the zionist entity. They are calling explicitly, you know, very directly to the extermination of the jewish state. They are speaking it, you know, loudly, no , there is no, you know, no, there is no, you know, question as regards to the aspiration and the ideology of hamas vis a vis the state of israel. So this is something that. Yes, so is it is it the fact that they are not after a two state solution at all and theyre just simply want a one state . So it is a two state solution possible then with that ideology . Yeah no, not at all. Not at all. Im happy that you are asking me this question. There is no whatsoever any Common Ground for any negotiations, for any settlement between israel and hamas. Hamas is totally a terroristic organisation. Ocean, terroristic organisation. Ocean, as ive told you before , for as ive told you before, for calling for the extermination , calling for the extermination, even for one year, for the annihilation of the jewish state of the israeli state. And, you know, you speak with me, i know in person all the leaders of hamas, no Common Ground. Listen they are against any negotiations. They are against negotiations. They are against any , i would say, getting any, i would say, getting accepting the very existence of israel as a jewish state. They are against any you know, all the all the accords that were were signed between israel and the plo during the oslo process. They are totally against they are calling explicitly , are calling explicitly, publicly, you know , with no publicly, you know, with no hesitation to the extermination of israel as a jewish state and the establishment of Palestinian Islamic state as the first phase. And later on revival of the islamic empire, the islamic caliphate as it was after the time of the Prophet Muhammad. This is very much in a short and clear way. No Common Ground. Listen i know, you know, even the priest, the islamic priest that was behind the establishing of hamas, his name is sheikh ahmed yassin. He established hamas, a four, five days after the beginning of the eruption of the beginning of the eruption of the first intifada, the first intifada was erupted at december 9th, 1987, five days later, 14 of december 1987. Hamas was established and, you know, from the beginning , like a year after the beginning, like a year after the beginning, like a year after the establishment of hamas, they began with terrorist, terrorist or terror , you know, operations or terror, you know, operations against the state of israel, kidnapping soldiers , kidnapping, kidnapping soldiers, kidnapping, you know, and killing them. And they are doing it in the most brutal way. I they are doing it in the most brutal way. I must they are doing it in the most brutal way. I must tell you, if brutal way. I must tell you, if i can add one thing more, if you would, you know, i must i must tell you that the what we have seen two weeks ago, you know, in shabbat in saturday, inside the area, very close, very adjacent neighbouring the gaza the gaza strip was like like a barbaric way of killing people, raping , way of killing people, raping, etcetera, etcetera. You know, people in israel were a little bit surprised and i was not surprised with what ive seen. You know, i know the nature, the barbaric nature of hamas and they are educating the young kids from three years old, four years old, to hate the jews, to kill the jews, to kill as many jews as as they can. And this is something that for many in israel were surprised. They say to this degree they are anti israel , anti jewish, anti israel, anti jewish, anti semitic, etcetera , anti semitic, etcetera, etcetera. And i was not surprised at all because i know the nature. I know the ideology. I know the positions. And this is something that we have to take. Of course, into serious consideration. Consideration. Ian, david, thank you very much for talking to me. We could talk to you for ages and well have to get you on and talk again. Thank you so much, sir. David hacham. All right. Well, lets a quick chat to our lets have a quick chat to our Political Correspondent, olivia utley, the utley, who reported on the pro palestinian utley, who reported on the pro palesandin trafalgar yesterday and is at Trafalgar Square the israel square ahead of the israel solidarity protest. Now olivia, hows the protest started . No hows the protest started . No were expecting to start in 45 minutes or so, but as you can probably see behind me, we are there is a build up of people. Now, ive been chatting to people here who are grateful to us for covering this rally. Its getting a lot less attention than the palestinian march yesterday. Ive also been noticing to talking people just how many people here are actually jewish. Yesterday that the marchers were all races , all the marchers were all races, all creeds, all different demographics, all standing behind palestine. But interestingly, quite a lot of the jews ive spoken to today say that they feel its only the Jewish Community who is now standing for jews Jewish Community who is now standing forjews in the uk standing up for jews in the uk and in gaza and israel as well, which is a pretty sad state of affairs. They are Campaign Running here for hamas to let go. The running here for hamas to let go. The 203 hostages who have been taken in gaza and israel, some of whom are babies older people. Theres a 90 year old among them to have been released to american israeli hostages have american israeli hostages have been american israeli hostages have been released, but thats still 200 waiting in. Who knows what conditions. Who knows what conditions. Who knows what conditions. Listen, olivia, we will catch up with you throughout the show. Thank you so much. Thats olivia utley. Shes there at the pro israeli protests. Thank you so right. Is gb news. So much. Right. This is gb news. 24 minutes after 3 00. Fast 24 minutes after 3 00. As fast approaching, on tv approaching, were live on tv onune approaching, were live on tv online and on Digital Radio. Coming up, faced with the tory rebellion over ban on no rebellion over the ban on no fault evictions, are the government to pursuing government right to be pursuing this up next, there this policy . But up next, there are rumours that this chancellor that chancellor could throw that his chancellor could throw in the towel before the next election. Should the tories election. So should the tories get rid of rishi . Well be debating that with stephen and isabel monday to thursdays from. Six till 930. Good afternoon. Six till 930. Good afternoon. Coming up to 28 minutes after 3 00. Now, earlier, i spoke to david hacham. Hes a former idf colonel and advisor to ministers of defence for arab affairs on whether hamas, the state and hamas, the terrorist group, are two separate entities. Lets get the thoughts of ben habib and also Stephen Pound. Theyre live now with me. Im going to start with you actually, Stephen Pound. He i did ask because i wanted to know because people often the often say hamas, the organisation and hamas, the terrorist, not same terrorist, theyre not the same thing. And sort of was kind thing. And he sort of was kind of one in the of saying theyre one in the same. Absolutely. Same. Well, absolutely. Precisely. Precisely. When we the and when we had the statements from the gaza health authority, well, the gaza health authority, well, the gaza health authoriil think nobody can really but i think nobody can really deny that anymore. Depressed me about this what depressed me about this more than anything is its more than anything else is its in its easier sometimes in life. Its easier sometimes to scapegoat it is to find a scapegoat than it is to find a scapegoat than it is to a solution. And whats to find a solution. And whats happening as as people happening is as long as people concentrate their hatred of concentrate on their hatred of israel, hatred the israel, their hatred of the jews, theyre actually ignoring the issues, potential the real issues, the potential for the money that could for gaza, the money that could come the arab states. Imagine a tiny fraction of the wealth. The oil wealth. Flowed into gaza, if that flowed into gaza, there would be no shortages of electricity or gas or water. Yet , instead of which, and yet, instead of which, instead something instead of doing something for their people, theyre concentrating on this hatred. Depresses the hell and that depresses the hell out of me. Well , i out of me. Well, i completely out of me. Well , i completely agree ben well, i completely agree with stephen. Hamas is an outwardly declared terrorist organisation and we saw the manifestation of their terrorism on the 7th of october. They Still Holding 200 hostages. And i think whats very telling is that there are 23 arab countries , none of which are rushing to aid hamas. They all understand that hamas is a bad organisation. And remember, hamas , even with. And remember, hamas, even with all their promotion or ostensible promotion of islam , ostensible promotion of islam, and i think a lot of muslims would disagree with the way that hamas is going about making its case. Obviously but even with all their ostensible promotion of islam, hamas is a sunni organisation and it is funded by a shia organisation, iran. Iran a shia organisation, iran. Iran is hamass payment for hamas. Irans useful idiots. They are exposing the Palestinian People to extreme hostile responses by their own actions and being and taking money from iran that is thatis taking money from iran that is that is almost verboten in the sunnl that is almost verboten in the sunni, in the sunni , you know, sunni, in the sunni, you know, in the sunni theology theology of islam. You cant do that. You know, you cant you cant be you cant be taking pay from from from shias. And so hamas is a deeply ideologically flawed entity. It is terroristic. It is entity. It is terroristic. It is flawed. It doesnt care about the people of palestine. It is stopping them from moving to the south of gaza. It is exposing them wilfully to attacks in the north. It has got 200 hostages. If it wanted any sympathy with its 23 arab countries and the rest of the world, it would release those hostages. You dont need hostages if youre in a war. Well, but even david there, who has spent decades with the idf, has said that the brutality that was given on the 7th of october, even he and the israelis were horrified by it, despite having been in a sort of conflict. Oh, yeah. Like this for a long time. He they were surprised by that level of brutality. No, no. You know, the bar of horror, it seems to be lowered every time. But the interesting thing is about why theyve done why did iran and hamas take action now and i think the reality is if you actually have a look at the great peace movements in that, we got oslo, the great peace movements in that, david, we got oslo, the great peace movements in that, david, butne got oslo, the great peace movements in that, david, but thejot oslo, the great peace movements in that, david, but the abrahamic camp david, but the abrahamic awards recently, got awards recently, youve got saudi morocco, saudi arabia, morocco, many other countries are actually talking about normalising relations talking about normalising relethats anathema to hamas and that is anathema to hamas and to iran. And thats its kicked and thats why its kicked off. Exactly, the off. Exactly, because the normalisation with normalisation of relations with particularly saudi, we cant keep. No, well, we keep agreeing. No, well, we cant. We can find well disagree the next one. Disagree on the next one. Agree. We have to move they agree. We have to move on. Is what is on. This is not what this is about. Its scored head to head. This is gb news coming up to 32 minutes 3 00. Nana minutes after 3 00. Im nana akua. Up. Could labour be akua. Coming up. Could labour be the party to give us tax the party to give us the tax cuts that most brits calling the party to give us the tax cutsfor . T most brits calling the party to give us the tax cutsfor . Wellt brits calling the party to give us the tax cutsfor . Well get ts calling the party to give us the tax cutsfor . Well get stuck calling the party to give us the tax cutsfor . Well get stuck intoing out for . Well get stuck into debating that. First, lets debating that. But first, lets get latest News Headlines get your latest News Headlines with sophia. With sophia. Its 331. Im sophia wenzler in the newsroom. Israels prime in the newsroom. Israels Prime Minister has told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. Against hamas is do or die for his country. Benjamin netanyahus comments come as the military prepares to launch another offensive in gaza after two mosques were destroyed in overnight airstrikes. Israel has issued an urgent warning to residents in the north of the strip, telling them to head south or they may be identified as sympathisers of a terrorist organisation. Meet meanwhile, witnesses are saying they heard a blast in the sound of ambulances near the rafah crossing after a second convoy of aid was allowed to enter gaza yesterday. 20 trucks delivered suppues yesterday. 20 trucks delivered supplies to the strip after the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. The Un World Food Programme is describing the humanity situation in gaza as catastroph sick. A search and rescue sick. A search and rescue operation is undennay off the kent coast following reports a man on a Passenger Ship fell overboard. German Cruise Company aida has confirmed its a crew member of the aidaperla. The member of the aidaperla. The alarm was raised just before 9 00 this morning. Life boats supported by a helicopter are now scouring the area near ramsgate. At two new danger to ramsgate. At two new danger to life. Weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet severe flood warnings are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire , which is nottinghamshire, which is expected to reach record levels. The number of people whove died dunng the number of people whove died during the storm has risen to four after police found the body of a woman in her 80s in chesterfield. And you can get chesterfield. And you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website gbnews. Com. Now its back to nana. Now its back to nana. Thank you, sophia. Coming up, should the metropolitan police have allowed calls forjihad at have allowed calls for jihad at the pro palestine protest yesterday . Ill be debating that yesterday . Ill be debating that with Stephen Pound and ben habib weekdays from three on gb news. Weekdays from three on gb news. 37 minutes after 3 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Now its time to go head to head on this story. The metropolitan police are in hot water for failing to act after protesters called for jihad at a pro palestinian demonstration. The immigration demonstration. The immigration minister, Robert Jenrick , minister, Robert Jenrick, condemned the chants, saying it incited terrorist violence. And incited terrorist violence. And in a comment posted on twitter, the met said the word jihad has a number of meanings, we a number of meanings, but we know will most know the public will most commonly with commonly associated with terrorism. Specialist terrorism. We have specialist Counter Terrorism officers here who particular knowledge in who have particular knowledge in this area. They have not identified any offences arising from the specific clip, but should the metropolitan police have allowed the calls for jihad . Right. Let me welcome back. My head to head was former labour mp Stephen Pound and also the deputy leader of reform uk , the deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib. Ben habib well, ill in the interest of full exposition of the word jihad before we just discuss this particular point , i want to say particular point, i want to say jihad in islam means a meritorious struggle in the pursuit of good. Its not even in the in the opposition of evil. So i just want to get that out there. But of course, its the lesser form of course, its the lesser form of jihad is of course, its the lesser form ofjihad is an outwardly expression of that struggle rather than the inward one, which is a higher form of jihad. Which is a higher form ofjihad. But the lesser form can and has been expressed in warfare and islam doesnt prohibit warfare. Islam doesnt prohibit warfare. Islam doesnt prohibit warfare. Islam is prepared as a religion to go to war and that the way that the word jihad, im sure was being used yesterday was an incitement to violence and it was very clear from what was going on in those protests, including in, you know, large isis flags being swung from left to right and, you know, messages of death to the infidel being put out that the met simply were not doing their job. They watch protesters climb scaffolding , protesters climb scaffolding, held their flags for them, and then gave them their flags. So its just so embarrassing. So its just so embarrassing. And the argument that they might make is they didnt want to make matters worse. But that is enforced. Is effectively law enforced. Isnt taking the knee to the breaking of the law. You know, that was an incitement to violence yesterday. And it has to be cracked down on. And i just will come back to your definition with regard to jihad, because i know it does have other meanings, but pretty much since the 20th century, the word actually has got that negative thats negative connotation. And thats because people like the mujahideen, the taliban, the northern they use it. Northern alliance, they use it. They jihad as a way of, they all use jihad as a way of, you know, as a way of inciting warfare. Well, in some ways, they use it as a similarly to the word crusade. Mean, they do use it. But i mean, they do use it. But look, i have to say, looking at what i mean, look, i have to say, looking at whati mean, have look, i have to say, looking at what i mean, have simple look, i have to say, looking at whaiin mean, have simple look, i have to say, looking at whaiin life|n, have simple look, i have to say, looking at whaiin life aboutive simple look, i have to say, looking at whaiin life about publicimple look, i have to say, looking at whaiin life about public order. Rule in life about public order. If the french do it one way, id want to do it the other way. And its perfectly the french decided these decided to ban all these marches, these marches, all these demonstrations, all. And what happened . Number happened . Doubled the number of people created people on the street. It created people on the street. It created people say and people who would then say and filled prisons. We dont filled the prisons. We dont have enough room in the prisons at present time. The police at the present time. The police did lift people did actually lift 11 people yesterday. Actually yesterday. They did actually arrest public arrest them under the public order act. I think the police are actually being proportionate in find in this particular thing. I find it horrifically offensive. In this particular thing. I find it horrifi canr offensive. In this particular thing. I find it horrifi canr offlsayle. In this particular thing. I find it horrifi canr off say that . Lets how can you say that . Lets just it under the backdrop just put it under the backdrop of what has happened and is of what has happened and what is happening. This happening. So weve had this awful hamas, who awful situation with hamas, who have 1400 people have murdered over 1400 people in now a full on in israel. Now we have a full on war and people are coming out in the streets to call for jihad and also singing the chant from the river to the sea, i might add, which again another add, which again is another incitement kill and death. So incitement to kill and death. So come on. Come on. Come on. Are you saying that we then lift 100,000 people and arrest 100,000 people . Are you saying that . Im not saying we arrest them. Im saying that we need. What do we do . Well, i think there needs to be something done, but i dont know. I think i think we should treat them with contempt say, with withering contempt and say, youre of student youre a bunch of student politicians at politics, politicians playing at politics, playing playing with playing with fire, playing with something about. Absolutely nothing about. The absolutely nothing about. The reality olutely nothing about. The reality ofltely nothing about. The reality of hamas. Hing about. The reality of hamas. How about the reality of hamas. How dare you go on the streets with your pseudo arabic costume on and worker banners and the socialist worker banners and the socialist worker banners and pretending, and the socialist worker banners and thatetending, and the socialist worker banners and that you ding, and the socialist worker banners and that you speak for pretending that you speak for the not the palestinians. You do not speak for palestinians. Speak for the palestinians. Treat absolute treat them with absolute ignorance as bevin used ignorance. As ernie bevin used to nothing to do to say, id have nothing to do with them. Let them go with them. Id just let them go away and play their stupid game. Yeah, get it. And i. And yeah, i get it. And i. And i feel but the problem is, feel that. But the problem is, as we know, that heightens the Terror Threat when we enable as we know, that heightens the terror kind|t when we enable as we know, that heightens the terror kind ofvhen we enable as we know, that heightens the terror kind of processes. |able as we know, that heightens the terror kind of processes. And these kind of processes. And also, lets about the also, lets talk about the jewish this well. Also, lets talk about the jewinot this well. Also, lets talk about the jewinotjewish, this well. Also, lets talk about the jewinot jewish, so 1is well. Also, lets talk about the jewinot jewish, so is well. Also, lets talk about the jewinot jewish, so i mean, all. Also, lets talk about the jewinot jewish, so i mean, the im not jewish, so i mean, the last week there was one jewish person who was had to be protected 50 officers as protected by 50 officers as a load people a so called load of people on a so called peaceful. They said threatened to they to behead him. Yes. As they threatened to behead him. So thats my point is this isnt peaceful, no, no. Peaceful, is it . No, no, no, no. Im not jewish. I cannot imagine it be like to imagine what it must be like to be a jewish a visibly identifying jewish person in london, united london, let alone the United Kingdom. I speak that. Kingdom. I cant speak for that. What speak is what i can speak for is a democrat a as a british democrat as a as a british citizen whos a democrat, who hates people getting the hates to see people getting the oxygen publicity oxygen of publicity for their stupidity their nonsense, stupidity and their nonsense, the theyre the ignorance that theyre displaying streets. And displaying on the streets. And i think the police started think if the police started going in and arresting people, i mean, at publicity mean, look at the publicity that greta got week at parkland. But, steven, the police do pick and choose which demonstrations going to demonstrations theyre going to allow theyre allow and which ones theyre going hammer. So, for going to really hammer. So, for example, we the same example, we saw the same behaviour with lives behaviour with black lives matter, which now matter, which was which we now know and hope people know to be and i hope people recognise to be overtly recognise to be an overtly political, anarchic organisation. Its a machine for few. Well i knew that from the start to be honest with you. I dont know why. And the police literally took the knee to black lives matter and anyone who came make the knee to black lives matter andcompletelyo came make the knee to black lives matter andcompletely legitimate make the knee to black lives matter and completely legitimate andiake the completely legitimate and reasonable case that all lives matter were treated with contempt police , was contempt by the police, was treated by contempt. When all lives matter, when i said all lives matter, i said, you cant put up one life than another. Life higher than another. History be i think history will be kinder to you than it will be to those virtue signalling plods. But lets well, well see. But lets lets on. Great. To lets move on. Great. Great to have company home. Have your company at home. Please touch. Gb views please get in touch. Gb views gbnews. Com. Can tweet gbnews. Com. You can also tweet us at news with your thoughts us at gb news with your thoughts on things were discussing on the things were discussing now. Story that i now. This is a story that i wanted cover in head to wanted to cover in the head to head debate as growing turmoil within tory party as reports within the tory party as reports suggest, up to 25 mps send suggest, up to 25 mps could send in confidence. In letters of no confidence. Again the Prime Minister. Again for the Prime Minister. Rishi sunak. So im asking, should the conservatives ditch rishi sunak . Lets get my thoughts from my panel. My head to head is Stephen Pound. Well, again, again , you know what again, again, you know what happens when youre in a car accident and you end up in hospital and they say to you, you know, who is the Prime Minister . How on earth could you well, how on earth could you say nowadays . You said last week, look, its week, next week. Look, its ridiculous. Dont ridiculous. And we dont know who 25 people are. And if who these 25 people are. And if youre actually dump youre going to actually dump somebody, ask somebody, youve got to ask yourself the next question. If not him, who, who . And the point is, two there is, theres two strands. There are people still, are some people still, amazingly, who amazingly, you know, who actually truss could amazingly, you know, who actua|back truss could amazingly, you know, who actua|back and truss could amazingly, you know, who actua|back and save ss could amazingly, you know, who actua|back and save the ould amazingly, you know, who actua|back and save the nation. Come back and save the nation. There people who well, there are people who believe boris should believe that boris should still believe that boris should still be i actually believe be there. And i actually believe that of the end that the beginning of the end was they got rid of boris. Was when they got rid of boris. That the chain of events that was the chain of events that we can argue that at a different time. But look, the reality is divided parties dont win elections. Moment, elections. And at the moment, the that tories are the image that the tories are giving one absolute giving is one of absolute utter division of mutual division and sort of mutual loathing. The minute they loathing. And the minute they start these about Start Playing these games about putting letters to the putting in the 25 letters to the 1922 committee, all it does in the labour party, you the labour party, believe you me, back, rubbing me, were sitting back, rubbing our saying dont our hands and saying we dont have anything, just have to do anything, just destroy yourselves. Havent do you havent had to do anything all, to be fair. Anything at all, to be fair. Well, mean, agree that well, i mean, i agree that divided dont win divided parties dont win elections. Conservative elections. The conservative party is deeply divided party. Elections. The conservative paripart deeply divided party. Elections. The conservative paripart oereply divided party. Elections. The conservative paripart of the ly divided party. Elections. The conservative paripart of the problem i party. Elections. The conservative paripart of the problem thatty. Its part of the problem that was created David Cameron in was created by David Cameron in order become to order to become the heir to blair, he adopted this kind of one tory toryism, one nation, tory toryism, which doesnt mean the promotion of working class interests as it used traditionally mean. Working class interests as it used thataditionally mean. Working class interests as it used that meansilly mean. Working class interests as it used that means as mean. Working class interests as it used that means as far mean. Working class interests as it used that means as far as mean. Working class interests as it used that means as far as the an. What that means as far as the conservative party is concerned, trying all trying to be all things to all people. Pivoted people. And theyve pivoted increasingly left to try increasingly to the left to try and labour out from and block labour out from winning theyve winning elections and theyve become a very become had become a very successful election. Winning machine. But that road has ended because theyve been utterly hopeless at governance. Weve hopeless at governance. Weve got broken economy broken got a broken economy broken pubuc got a broken economy broken public services, multiculturalism , culturalism multiculturalism, culturalism which he cant which isnt working, he cant stop the boats. They cannot govern. So rishi sunak has three choices. As far as i can see it. He either resigns and makes way for a genuinely centre right conservative leader who Will Champion the most common sensical policies that will propel the United Kingdom fonnard. Maybe any well Suella Braverman comes to mind who will stop the boats . Understand that stop the boats . Understand that its a physical response to stop the boats, cut legal migration dramatically cut taxes on the working and middle classes and businesses so we can actually flourish. And before someone looks at the screen and says, well , we havent got the well, we havent got the headroom to cut taxes, the obr, the office for budget responsibility, has ripped heatedly overestimated the government government borrowing requirement. Would have been requirement. We would have been able to cut taxes under liz trusss scheme easily. Liz trusss scheme easily. Liz trusss scheme easily. Liz trusss tax cuts were easily affordable by the government borrowing levels for the government have come in markedly below that. So cut taxes for the working middle classes and businesses and for gods sake, bnng businesses and for gods sake, bring Northern Ireland back into the United Kingdom. Well the big deal was the business tax needs to be cut. Business absolutely. These 4 or 5 things that ive espoused , or 5 things that ive espoused, rishi sunak can either do them or he can face electoral obliteration. Well, its like the renters reform bill, which is just an abhorrent idea. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I havent. You havent you noficed i havent. You havent you noticed that, Penny Mordaunt has now spoken to nearly 40 conservative association ers in the last nine months, so shes on manoeuvres. There are people on manoeuvres. There are people on manoeuvres. There are people on manoeuvres. The question i would ask you is if not sunak, who you say braverman. I dont think actually. Think braverman has actually. Well, they havent got time. They havent got time. Need they havent got time. They need to with what have. To stick with what they have. The election need to get the next election need to get the very latest. Its january year, next its january a year, next january the very, very late. January at the very, very late. Rishi sunak got to stop rishi sunak has got to stop thinking to thinking that hes going to solve the nations problems through to the of solve the nations problems thrandi to the of solve the nations problems thrand understand to the of solve the nations problems thrand understand theres of solve the nations problems thrand understand theres really 18 and understand theres really fundamental issues he needs to get on. Hes still got get a grip on. Hes still got a majority command. Your majority in deliver in parliament and deliver what the this country want, the people of this country want, not or people in not what the g7 or people in davos want, what people in davos want, what the people in this want and need and this country want and need and do it now. Well perhaps on this next government next on that, the government is reportedly avoid reportedly seeking to avoid a revolt over renters reform revolt over its renters reform bill, as tory rebels call the policy to ban fault evictions. Unconcerned lviv, the bill would renters would give renters greater protections landlords protections and stop landlords kicking without kicking tenants out without giving explicit reason. But giving any explicit reason. But this proposal has angered many tory mps who view it as an anti landlord policy. So should no fault evictions be banned . What do you think . Ben habib absolutely. You should. The landlord should them. No, no, no , the should them. No, no, no, the landlords. Ive got to get the right number of nos in the right number of nos in the right order, you know the right number of nos. Othennise you end up with a positive no landlord should be prohibited from contractually taking control of his own property. It control of his own property. It is a complete fallacy to think that if you prevent landlords from being able to eject tenants at the end of their tenancy just because they havent broken any of your provisions in the lease while they were tenants that youre going to somehow improve the market. What you want is to encourage landlords to come into the market, own property and lease it. That way. You get a much more vibrant leasing market out. Any restrictions that make it life difficult for landlords is going to restrict the supply of property, which is going to push rents up. It is short term politics. Its not thought through. We had regulated rents after world war ii. They were they were got rid of for a reason because they dont work. They dont work now, especially with rising Interest Rates. But i think landlords actually need to actually look at their image. They have this image being like simon legree image of being like simon legree figures widows and figures whipping the widows and the into the snow. The orphans out into the snow. So i was a housing officer for years and years and years and assured tenancy, which years and years and years and assuretenancy tenancy, which years and years and years and assuretenancy thatenancy, which years and years and years and assuretenancy that most y, which is the tenancy that most landlords means assured landlords use, means an assured shorthold dont shorthold tenancy and you dont turn midnight and say turn up at midnight and say youre you have to issue youre out. You have to issue a nofice youre out. You have to issue a notice of seeking possession. You then go court. You then have to go to court. I mean, i used to take these cases to court over and over again as far as im concerned, one of the tenants protection already. Tenants have protection already. Well, protection well, the protection is already existing. Think populist existing. I think its populist nonsense to actually suggest you can we all know that can do this. We all know that rent controls dont work. Look at absolutely killed at berlin. It absolutely killed the there. Think the rental market there. I think we actually realise that we need to actually realise that the market is very, very the rental market is very, very important and not all landlords are satanic blood drinking so and so. Are satanic blood drinking so andmajority of lenders, that the majority of lenders, i think its over 80 of them are single owning. So they have only one property are just property and they are just people become people whove maybe become accidental landlords, but its usually mothers their usually their mothers or their fathers that theyve fathers property that theyve inherited, or theyve met somebody theyve inherited, or theyve met somebonto theyve inherited, or theyve met somebonto in theyve inherited, or theyve met somebonto in withve inherited, or theyve met somebonto in with that decided to move in with that house then they a house and then they have a house. So that is usually how most landlords are, and theyre mostly theres a mostly normal people. Theres a very of very small percentage of landlords hundreds of landlords who own hundreds of properties a lot of those properties and a lot of those ones, of are bad. Yes. Well, the liverpool say we all a Robbie Fowler all live in a Robbie Fowler house. I mean, Robbie Fowler, there are a lot of tenants who house. I mean, Robbie Fowler, theibad. E a lot of tenants who are bad. Yeah, well, ive had the experience bad experience of some very bad tenancy. Experience of some very bad tenancy remember, assured just remember, assured shorthold tenancy. Thats what it is. Its brilliant contract. Whats brilliant so whats a brilliant contract . So whats a brilliant contra whats the point . Because so whats the point . Because theyre going to rid of theyre going to get rid of section where you can issue section 21 where you can issue that fault eviction, which is that no fault eviction, which is what be able to do what you should be able to do because you might need the property, just because you property, not just because you have that youre have to prove that youre selling it. At moment can no. At the moment you can determine by going determine a section 21 by going to any crown court and just simply giving notice of it. Simply giving the notice of it. So actually gives so that actually gives the tenant and some tenant some time and some notice. Behind notice. Exactly whats behind all shortage of all this is the shortage of affordable housing. Thats what all this is the shortage of amean. Le housing. Thats what all this is the shortage of amean. Iveousing. Thats what all this is the shortage of amean. Ive been]. Thats what all this is the shortage of amean. Ive been inthats what all this is the shortage of amean. Ive been in ealingvhat all this is the shortage of amean. Ive been in ealing this i mean. Ive been in ealing this morning actually looking at some 200 Affordable Homes 200 new Affordable Homes that weve built with the private sector in ealing. Weve got a massive shortage of housing and the is when get the problem is when you get that, start looking the that, you start looking at the other at the other end. You look at the landlord, letting we landlord, the letting end. We should at should actually be looking at the not supply demand. Absolutely critical. Weve got supply. Got to get supply. Carry on agreeing. We cannot carry on agreeing. We cannot carry on agreeing. Well, okay, this unacceptable. Take it anymore. I cant take it anymore. Maybe theyll disagree maybe this one theyll disagree with. Okay. So final, final one to could give us to them. Could labour give us a tax cuts . The tories wont a new poll shows that brits view labour of a champion of labour as more of a champion of lower the lower taxes than the conservatives, because conservatives, probably because they any higher. They cant get any higher. The survey almost survey also found that almost 60 reduced, so 60 want the burden reduced, so what think . Should we what do you think . Should we will pay less under labour . Will we pay less under labour . Stephen pound probably not, because im not entirely sure where this comes from. Theres nobody in the i mean theres nobody in the labour whos actually labour party whos actually talking the tories talking about this. The tories were talking last week about reducing higher reducing taxes for higher earners, mean earners, which is, i mean talk about own unbeliev able. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. When i read that in the financial i could financial times, i could hardly believe reading. But believe what i was reading. But look, i think anybody is look, i dont think anybody is suggesting that. Well, maybe that well, maybe they know that the them. So the its over for them. So theyre putting theyre just like putting things in help. Theyre just like putting things in its help. Theyre just like putting things in its a help. Theyre just like putting things in its a bit1elp. Theyre just like putting things in its a bit like corbyn in its a bit like corbyn in 2019 he free broadband 2019 when he said free broadband for oh god. A for everybody. Oh god. Theres a certain of that. Look certain element of that. Look the the the reality is the infrastructure, National Infrastructure, the National Infrastructure, the National Infra the ture infrastructure, the National Infra the worst state its ever is in the worst state its ever been. You know, our schools are collapsing, our prisons are been. You know, our schools are collathe g, our prisons are been. You know, our schools are collathe transportsons are been. You know, our schools are colla the transport systems full. The transport system isnt working. Cutting tax full. The transport system isnt w0|the;. Cutting tax full. The transport system isnt w0|the upper cutting tax full. The transport system isnt w0|the upper you cutting tax full. The transport system isnt w0|the upper you know, ting tax full. The transport system isnt w0|the upper you know, the tax for the upper you know, the upper wealthier upper echelons, the wealthier people insane. People is for its insane. I dont it. So the fact dont understand it. So the fact that people are that the that people are saying that the labour might cut taxes, labour party might cut taxes, i think is actually more think that is actually more about stand about their horror as they stand back conservative party back from the conservative party rather brilliant rather than anything brilliant that done. That labour has done. Parties should well. Both parties should absolutely taxes absolutely be cutting tax taxes at war two high. At a post World War Two high. Weve the model of weve tried the model of taxation, borrowing and spending away the economy away to managing the economy and it sector, it hasnt worked. Public sector, as rightly said, as youve just rightly said, stephen, is broken right across the so government the board. So government managing things this hugely managing things, this hugely interventionist approach weve had from governments since had from governments ever since tony took office is wrong. Tony blair took office is wrong. It doesnt weve got to it doesnt work. Weve got to cut taxes. And what the government needs to learn and the Labour Party Needs to learn is that you dont cut taxes always looking at how you balance the books. You have to balance the books. You have to understand that when you cut taxes, you will generate growth and when you generate growth, you will get more money coming into the exchequer for they have to cut taxes as you rightly said, nana on businesses, its critical and its not the rich that need the tax cuts. Its the working and middle classes. We need to get our domestic Labour Market a bit more active. I just cant imagine what they were thinking. I mean, you know, because most im probably a conservative voter. If a natural conservative voter. If i was going vote for someone, i was going to vote for someone, but cant for that. I was going to vote for someone, but cant for that. No, but i cant vote for that. No, you because it doesnt you cant because it doesnt make would make any sense. Why would you why you cut tax for the why would you cut tax for the top earners when its the middle class who tax cuts class who need the tax cuts because have the highest because they have the highest burden . Burden . Absolutely. If you want absolutely. But if you want change, sensible change, if you want sensible politics, longer politics, you cannot any longer vote for the conservatives or laboun vote for the conservatives or labour. Theres only party labour. Theres only one party you vote for. Labour. Theres only one party you vote for. No. No. You should vote for. No. No. Whos that . Reform uk will not be a party. Political broadcast. Political broadcast. Has been a you cannot do this has been a you cannot do Party Election broadcasts. But theres no election going on. Election going on. Theres no election going on. Theres no election going on. No election. No, no, no election. But no, no, listen. Mean, look. I mean, listen. I mean, look. I mean, who you guys who do you guys think . Listen, youve done very well in elections. In two by elections. Rest on your well, you rest on your laurels. But but look, laurels. Yeah, but but look, i mean, to be mean, look, were going to be talking throughout talking about this throughout the stay with me. The show as well. Stay with me. This is gb news on tv, online and Digital Radio. You and on Digital Radio. You can keep coming keep your thoughts coming as well. Hear what you well. Id love to hear what you think. Got loads on the way think. Ive got loads on the way in houn think. Ive got loads on the way in hour, well be in the next hour, well be talking Great British talking about the Great British debate. Asking if the debate. Ill be asking if the bbc have been prejudiced in their the hamas their reporting of the Hamas Conflict. What do you their reporting of the Hamas Conflict. What do you think . Their reporting of the Hamas Conflict. 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But for now, this area , low pressure now, this area, low pressure which has been responsible for the very heavy rainfall, has now cleared. Unfortunate. Cleared. But unfortunate. Further areas pressure further areas of low pressure are waiting in atlantic. But are waiting in the atlantic. But back to this evening, for most of us, it should be a fairly dry and clear night. Perfect recipe for night. Actually for a chilly night. Actually especially scotland and especially for scotland and northern could see Northern England could see a widespread frost. And after the very wet what weve had very wet weather, what weve had could see icy stretches. So could see some icy stretches. So just take care if you are out just do take care if you are out and about. Could just see a few showers for Northern Ireland may just creep into parts of western cornwall, too. Elsewhere, cornwall, too. But elsewhere, a dry start to the could just dry start to the day could just see few mist and fog patches. See a few mist and fog patches. First its first thing too. But really its going to set us up for a largely dry of the dry picture. Best of the sunshine as we go through the course day will be across course of the day will be across parts northern parts of scotland and Northern England. Of some england. Still the risk of some rain just moving into Northern Ireland and far west of ireland and the far west of cornwall at times. And for most of us, temperatures very similar to recent days, tens to twelves in the north, potentially up to 15, down 16 degrees in the 15, down to 16 degrees in the south. Looking ahead to tuesday, a band of rain will spread its way northwards the course way northwards during the course of fairly wet affair of the day. So fairly wet affair for a good chunk of the uk potentially dry most potentially staying dry for most of day in scotland. But of the day in scotland. But unfortunately, middle of the week stays fairly unsettled for all of us hello. Good afternoon. This is gb news on tv online and on Digital Radio. Im nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now this show headlines right now. This show is about opinion. Its mine, is all about opinion. Its mine, its theirs. And of course its yours. Be debating, yours. Well be debating, discussing, times we will discussing, and at times we will disagree, one will be disagree, but no one will be cancelled. Joining me today cancelled. So joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also former labour Party Adviser matthew laza. Party adviser matthew laza. Well, before we get started, lets get your latest news headunes lets get your latest News Headlines with. Lisa headlines with. Lisa good afternoon. Its 4 00. Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. Israels Prime Minister has told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. Benjamin netanyahus comments come as the military prepares to launch another offensive in gaza following overnight airstrikes. Following overnight airstrikes. S the Palestinian Health Ministry Says 266 people, including 117 children, have been killed in the past 24 hours. Israel has now issued a warning to residents in the north of the strip, telling them to head south or they may be identified as sympathisers of a terrorist organisation. Idf spokesman Lieutenant Colonel peter lerner says forces are only targeting hamas. We know extensive how extensive their tunnel mechanisms is and how they are operating and using them so were confident that we have good intelligence, but you know, the realm of warfare is the, urn, its not the known knowns. Its the unknowns. Unknown knowns. So the unknowns. Unknown knowns. So we know that we have a brutal enemy. We dont know exactly what theyre doing. We have a good grasp of their operational capabilities , and we need to capabilities, and we need to confront that and remove that as if it was a tumour. Former head of the Palestinian Diplomatic Mission to the uk, Manuel Hassassian, says he Still Believes in a two state solution. Dont try to put us, you know, all in a frame that we are terrorists as palestinians. Terrorists as palestinians. There is a difference between the Palestinian People who want peace and security and there is a difference between the Palestinian Authority, which is the legitimate, legitimate representative of the Palestinian People who believe in a two state solution, who have condemned violence all along. The question is, can along. The question is, can israel stop state terrorism on equal basis . Thats the question i meanwhile, witnesses are saying they heard a blast and the sound of ambulances near the rafah crossing. It happened rafah crossing. It happened after a second convoy of aid was allowed to enter gaza yesterday. Allowed to enter gaza yesterday. 20 trucks delivered supplies to the strip after the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. The Un World Food Programme is describing the humanitarian situation in gaza as catastrophic violence in the region is spreading, with israel launching airstrikes in the occupied west bank, a compound beneath a mosque in the jenin refugee camp was hit. The refugee camp was hit. The Israeli Military claims it was being used by militants to organise attacks. Palestinian medics say two people were killed and several others injured. Meanwhile in london and injured. Meanwhile in london and israel, solidarity rally is taking place in Trafalgar Square. The bring them home protest is calling for the release of all hostages being held by hamas as relatives and friends are holding posters of those who are missing or believed to have been kidnapped. It comes after days of pro palestinian protests and claims some people are inciting violence, immigration minister Robert Jenrick says the accusations are being taken seriously. Seriously. I have written to all chief chief constables across the country saying that they should refer individuals that come to their attention to the home office. There is a Legal Process to be followed , but as and when to be followed, but as and when we receive those , we will we receive those, we will consider them. And if they meet the legal bar, then we will absolutely revoke and expel them and the first case is already under consideration. Under consideration. A search and rescue operation is undennay off the kent coast following reports a man on a Passenger Ship fell overboard. German Cruise Company aida says it has reason to believe it was a crew member of the aida perla, who is missing from the vessel. The alarm was raised just before 9 00 this morning and the ship returned where its returned to the site where its thought incident happened. Thought the incident happened. Lifeboats supported by a helicopter are also searching the area near ramsgate to new danger to life. Weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet severe flood warnings are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire , retford in nottinghamshire, which is expected to reach record levels. The number of people whove died during the storm has risen to four after police found the body of a woman in her 80s in chesterfield , in her 80s in chesterfield, Manchester United has opened a book of condolence at old trafford following the death of sir bobby charlton. The legendary footballer was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966. Floral tributes and football shirts are being placed outside the Manchester United stadium with his former club , saying hell his former club, saying hell always be remembered as a giant of the game. This is gb news of the game. This is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now lets return to nana. Good afternoon. This is gb news on tv online and on Digital Radio. Im nana akua. Let me get this straight. It seems the this straight. It seems the policing of language doesnt stretch as far as calling for jihad, which has several meanings. But since the late 20th century, the word has gained a very negative reputation , often being used by reputation, often being used by terrorist movements to legitimise their cause and motivate their followers. Motivate their followers. Examples of this would be the afghan mujahideen , the taliban afghan mujahideen, the taliban and the northern alliance. They and the northern alliance. They waged a jihad in afghanistan against Foreign Forces and each other. There was algerias armed other. There was algerias Armed Islamic group who waged a jihad of terror against the government there. Remember, Osama Bin Laden and al qaeda and the waging of global jihad against muslim governments and the west and of course, hezbollah , hamas and course, hezbollah, hamas and Islamic Jihad palestine have also characterised war with israel as a jihad. The policing israel as a jihad. The policing of language also doesnt appear to stretch as far as chanting from the river to the sea, palestine will be free, which, according to the American Jewish committee, is a common call to arms for pro Police Opinion activists it calls for the establishment of a state of palestine from the jordan river to the mediterranean sea. Erase the state of israel and its people. Its also a rallying cry people. Its also a rallying cry for terrorist groups and their sympathisers from the popular front for the liberation of palestine to hamas , which called palestine to hamas, which called for israels destruction in its original governing charter in 1988 and was responsible for the terror attack on israel and israeli civilians on the 7th of october, which was the single deadliest day for jews since the holocaust. So youd deadliest day for jews since the holocaust. So youd think deadliest day for jews since the holocaust. So youd think that holocaust. So youd think that when protesters chant from the to river the sea and call for jihad in support of the people of palestine, who, lets face it, are run by hamas , who are it, are run by hamas, who are a de facto governing body and a proscribed terrorist organisation. The latter, the bbc, has thus far refused to directly call them. Youd think directly call them. Youd think that this would be a red flag. Why on earth are people allowed to call for jihad why on earth are people allowed to call forjihad in the why on earth are people allowed to call for jihad in the streets of the uk . Of the uk . Its very important to me and the home secretary that people who spread hate or support proscribed terrorist organisations like hamas have no place in this country. A visa is place in this country. A visa is a special privilege. Its not an entitled agent. And if you commit comments that create hate or spread anti semitism, then you forfeit that privilege and you forfeit that privilege and you should have that visa revoked and you should be expelled from the uk. Well that was Robert Jenrick. My words have power for as Suella Braverman was reminded when she rightly called the invasion of the Southern Coast invasion of the Southern Coast in country just that. In this country just that. I mean, shes right, by the way. Yet ironically in this country we have a Civil Service that spends a fortune on policing of language and diversity and inclusion in only the other day we heard labour would make misgendering a hate crime, even though their leader took two years to confirm what a woman is. We have a force in is. We have a police force in which not long ago which some were not long ago wearing laces , driving wearing rainbow laces, driving rainbow taking knee rainbow cars and taking the knee , yet chanting the river to , yet chanting from the river to the sea and calling for jihad seems to be okay, according to them , the same police that them, the same police that showed force when someone showed up in force when someone tweeted bad and tweeted something bad and created hurty feelings earlier on gb news, the former head of the Palestinian Diplomatic Mission to the uk, Manuel Hassan , told us that he Still Believes in a two state solution. In a two state solution. Dont try to put us all in a frame that we are terrorists as palestinians. There is palestinians. There is a difference between the Palestinian People who want peace and security and there is a difference between the Palestinian Authority, which is the legitimate , legitimate the legitimate, legitimate representative of the Palestinian People who believe in a two state solution, who have condemned violence all along. The question is, can israel stop state terrorism on equal basis . Thats the question i now, i get that we have freedom of speech in this country, but in my view , i draw country, but in my view, i draw the line when youre calling for what many interpret as death to innocent people, i want to see peace and forgiveness from both sides. No life is above sides. No life is above anothers. So im equally sad anothers. So im equally sad for the death of innocent palestinians. But whilst you are free to speak in this country , free to speak in this country, words have consequences and its time to stop conflating freedom of speech with the freedom of consequence. As for words. Consequence. As for those words. So before we get stuck into the debate, heres what else is coming up today for the Great British debate this hour, im asking had the bbc been prejudiced report of prejudiced in their report of the Hamas Conflict . A former director of the corporation has accused broadcaster of accused the broadcaster of failures its reporting of failures over its reporting of the israel hamas war, saying that they rushed to judgement last week when it announced that israel responsible for the israel was responsible for the bombing of a hospital. Do you bombing of a hospital. Do you agree that the bbc have been biased their reporting . Then biased in their reporting . 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Email gb views at com tweet me at. At gb news. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. All right. So before we get to my panellists, i want to have a chat with olivia utley because demonstrations are gathering in londons Trafalgar Square demand release square to demand the release of hostages held by hamas. So hostages being held by hamas. So our Political Correspondent olivia is there now. Olivia utley is there now. Olivia utley is there now. Olivia so now i see people are there. Can you update me with there. Can you update me with the latest developments in london . Well, in many cases , after well, in many cases, after killing their family or oh, well, i she was about to speak. But listen, we will come back to it. But whilst were doing that, lets see what my panel make of my monologue. Lets welcome former welcome on the former labour adviser and also adviser matthew laza and also journalist broadcaster danny journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. Laza im to kelly. Matthew laza im going to start with okay. So these start with you. Okay. So these chants in the streets, olivia is at the pro israeli protests now. I would say its more of a vigil, actually. Looked very dignified vigil, actually. The ooked very dignified vigil, actually. The picturesery dignified vigil, actually. The pictures that gnified vigil, actually. The pictures that we fied vigil, actually. The pictures that we saw from the pictures that we saw there. Specific, very clear in very specific, very clear in its message and dignified. Its message and very dignified. Saw, what we saw. From what i saw, what we saw. From what i saw, what we saw. Just just equal okay. But just just for equal language, because theyre gathering people. And course, gathering people. And of course, they regard they are protesting with regard to would be wrong to of course, it would be wrong for to say why was a vigil. For me to say why was a vigil. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, no, absolutely. Im field im levelling the Playing Field here and calling it a protest, which i believe it is. They which i believe it is. And they are about what are protesting about what is happening, what are your views, though, the words though, with regard to the words of jihad obviously of jihad and obviously the phrases river the phrases from the to river the sea, been spoken, sea, which has been spoken, which most people would admit is quite a negative chant . Look i think that absolutely. Look i think that the protests been the protests have been a disaster, from a policing disaster, both from a policing point view, also the point of view, but also from the point of view, but also from the point of view, but also from the point of the protesters point of view of the protesters themselves, they havent themselves, because they havent been focussed what theyre been focussed in what theyre saying. Gained wider they havent gained wider pubuc they havent gained wider public support. Frankly, theyve done exactly the reverse. I think theyve put a peoples up a lot of peoples backs up because, everybody because, of course not everybody there that that there was singing that that particularly hateful song, but some were. Thats some people were. And thats what the protests, what happens with the protests, is gets tarred is that everybody gets tarred with the same brush. And i think the difference two the difference in the two protests weve seen is that protests that weve seen is that the one today is very clear. Its calling for the return of the hostages. Now, if the people who themselves as being who see themselves as being on the worrying about the sort of worrying about palestine particular, palestine in particular, they should clear. They should be absolutely clear. They should be absolutely clear. They should they were making a should be if they were making a clear you clear demand, which is, you know, in or know, let water in now or let switch the electricity back on or get hamas out and get everybody out and give the people of gaza a future , then people of gaza a future, then that would be engaging a wider public. Instead, its just become a sort of fest where people are just sort of shouting random and random slogans at best and singing that song at singing that hateful song at worst. Police are just worst. And the police are just standing saw this standing by. And we saw this week didnt we . The its very much the images that were seeing the protest, the seeing at the protest, the pictures people who are being pictures of people who are being held the held hostage. The guy with the ad went round in ad van that went round in Central London, the police, he was attacked or certainly was being attacked or certainly pressured on the other pressured by people on the other side of the argument. And instead of being sort of protected, police told him instead of being sort of pr turn ed, police told him instead of being sort of pr turn the police told him instead of being sort of pr turn the van olice told him instead of being sort of pr turn the van off. E told him instead of being sort of pr turn the van off. Yould him instead of being sort of pr turn the van off. You know, to turn the van off. You know, turn pictures of the turn off the pictures of the missing and get out of there and wouldnt let somebody from his organisation come and speak to him. So i do not think the police are covering themselves in looks the in glory. It looks like the government trying a government is trying to get a grip this, but frankly they grip on this, but frankly they need get grip need to get a grip fast. Old bill, the danny kelly the old bill, the metropolitan i think metropolitan police, i think they if they did and if they were if they did and if they were if they did and if they didnt because theres a serious of a potential serious risk of a of a potential violent disturbance of peace violent disturbance of the peace. You know, if the old bill start lifting people just because chanting and because theyre chanting and ive got to admit, until your monologue, really monologue, i never really analysed what those words meant. And im wondering that if i wasnt really across what the words meant and the significance of its and its open to of it and its and its open to interpretation, youre subjective interpretation suggests from one side of suggests that from one side of the country to the mediterranean sea, israel is sea, which means that israel is removed, people may not removed, other people may not have that same interpretation. So people would so i think people would innocently some people just be singing because theyre singing it because theyre getting along and theyre getting involved with the protest. Know the interpreter. Yeah, but you wouldnt just join old chant of any join into any old chant of any old thing . Join into any old chant of any old thir but i join into any old chant of any old thirbut i think join into any old chant of any old thir but i think that you have no, but i think that you have a interpretation of a subjective interpretation of what means people may what it means other people may not includes the not hold. That includes the plot, the metropolitan i no, but i would say that if thatis no, but i would say that if that is the case, the metropolit and police get on the and police should get on the case understand is case and understand what it is theyre it is theyre protesting or what it is theyre protesting or what it is theyre to a demonstration theyre going to a demonstration with regard for. Im with regard for. But im assuming and expect assuming that and i would expect that briefed on that they would be briefed on what is about. And what the protest is about. And they be as to what they will be told as to what they will be told as to what they be looking out for they need to be looking out for so that they unified in so that they are unified in their and in my view, so that they are unified in theirchant and in my view, so that they are unified in theirchant has and in my view, so that they are unified in theirchant has been in my view, so that they are unified in theirchant has been associated, that chant has been associated with negative connotations as well as the word jihad. And after the incidents that have happened the on the 7th of happened on the on the 7th of october, and of course the ensuing that that has that ensuing war that that has that has followed, that cannot be allowed on the streets of this country. I just you know, its not that im against freedom of speech, but i think we have to draw the when it draw the line when it potentially sectarian potentially there is sectarian chants every scottish chants at every scottish football chants at every scottish foorangers and celtic. Now the rangers and celtic. Now the alternative, to alternative, were going to apply rationale then if apply the same rationale then if were going to start lifting people in london for singing that song, then the Scottish Police are going to have to start going in mob handed and pulling football because pulling out football because they and pass and they did try and pass a law and that and it was not that and realised it was not going in scotland. Going to work in scotland. No war but theres no theres no war though there, between celtic though is there, between celtic and no and rangers. 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Because there is judgement call, i wouldnt want thaipotential because there is judgement call, i wouldnt want thaipotential forecause there is judgement call, i wouldnt want thaipotential forecausincreases the potential for it to increase the potential for it to increase the terrorist well. So the terrorist risk as well. So we you know, remember a lot we are, you know, remember a lot of calling of these people who are calling for kind of people, for jihad, those kind of people, theres a of wolves and theres a lot of lone wolves and it encourage and make this it could encourage and make this Country Place country a less safer place to be. If were a Gold Commander if you were a Gold Commander on notice, didnt say on the day notice, i didnt say bronze or silver. If you were gold. Absolutely platinum, darling. Absolutely platinum, darling. Thats with the police. No, thats with the police. No, thats with the police. Its gold. Its only gold. No, thats with the police. Itwould. Its only gold. No, thats with the police. Itwould you only gold. No, thats with the police. Itwould you have gold. No, thats with the police. Itwould you have done . Would what would you have done . Would you have ordered your your police lifting police to go and start lifting people that . People for that . What i would i dont know what i would have with regard to that. Have done with regard to that. Im think that im tempted to think that i might the way of might have gone the way of france that this france and made sure that this sort couldnt happen. Sort of thing couldnt happen. But know, you have but then, you know, you have to realise we are a free its realise that we are a free its freedom speech and i think freedom of speech and i think people to people should be allowed to protest ever. I do think protest as ever. But i do think that the line we have to draw the line think perhaps the the line and i think perhaps the police have taken some police could have taken out some of were doing of those people who were doing that know, body that or, you know, using body cam people later cam to identify people and later contact them later and fined them something. So there them or something. So there should punishment should be a punishment for later, lot later, you know, because a lot of these they work. Of these people, they work. Theyve good most of theyve got good jobs. Most of them people. But if you them are good people. But if you get caught under the of get caught under the wind of somethingchanting negative get caught under the wind of sometiand hanting negative get caught under the wind of sometiand absolutelyjative get caught under the wind of sometiand absolutely all e get caught under the wind of sometiand absolutely all the things and absolutely all the most things and absolutely all the mo i. Things and absolutely all the mo i dont particularly like i dont particularly like demos. Be the left, but demos. I may be on the left, but ispend demos. I may be on the left, but i spend not going on i spend my life not going on demos, assume demos, which people assume people on the left do. And the most demos those most effective demos are those which in the widest which which draw in the widest support, arent just sort which which draw in the widest su talking arent just sort which which draw in the widest su talking to arent just sort which which draw in the widest su talking to youent just sort which which draw in the widest su talking to you in t just sort which which draw in the widest su talking to you in the st sort which which draw in the widest su talking to you in the bubble of talking to you in the bubble of talking to you in the bubble of but are of your own supporters, but are drawing people to your drawing in new people to your cause. You just cause. And frankly, you just want to say to, you know, whatever cause you know, whatever your cause you know, building stage on building a ramshackle stage on the cenotaph is not going to get the cenotaph is not going to get the public of any the Great British public of any background in favour of you. So you know, youre right you know, i think youre right that to be a firmer that there needs to be a firmer policing, also people policing, but also the people who are organising these demonstrations who are organising these demorwhat ons who are organising these demorwhat onit actually doing about what is it actually doing for the cause that theyre trying to promote. Just finally for me, just just finally for me, robert a subtle Robert Jenrick, theres a subtle message a message here. Hes going in a new that youre to new direction that if youre to new direction that if youre to new and you start new this country and you start protesting against values that are western values, then are decent western values, then youre welcome. And thats youre not welcome. And thats an interesting new hes the immigration minister. Interesting. Right. I interesting. Right. I think i think hes right. I think hes right with regard that. Hes right with regard to that. If youre going to you know, its come here. Its fine to come here. I believe, when rome, as the believe, when in rome, do as the romans. So i think, know, romans. So i think, you know, but dont and but but dont dont come in and then behave in a such then sort of behave in a such a negative fashion and sort of diss that youre diss the place that youre staying. Its an staying. You know, its an interesting poop on your own. Dont get me started on the alleged the driver alleged tube. The true driver who who who allegedly that was who promoted may have seen promoted people may have seen it, but the footage of the of a of a driver, his was of a tube driver, his train was packed with people going to the demonstration yesterday. And he was know, was sort of saying, you know, have may peace have a good day. And may peace be et cetera. I mean, be with you. Et cetera. I mean, you know, that i just think if you know, that i just think if you were jewish passenger you were a jewish passenger on that or frankly, somebody that train or frankly, somebody who side who just didnt take the side of the so is the palestinians. So that is being investigated now. But action we action must be taken. But we need people come. Do they know . Its definitely the tube drivers why theyre looking thats why theyre looking into we need to see that. Into it. So we need to see that. Yeah absolutely. Somebody just could does to could be if it does turn out to be correct, we need everybody in pubuc be correct, we need everybody in public that includes public life and that includes tube drivers who a tube drivers who have a responsibility. We need everybody to calm down and look at calmly we at things calmly because we dont want conflict breaking out. No, dont want that. And no, we dont want that. And there a year there on about 70 grand a year tube say, oh, god, tube drivers, they say, oh, god, we should know better. A great well, its a great job. Well, listen, can it, you listen, if you can get it, you just join us. Welcome aboard. Just welcome aboard. Its just coming 19 minutes after coming up to 19 minutes after 4 00. Gb news tv, 4 00. This is gb news on tv, onune 4 00. This is gb news on tv, online Digital Radio. Online and on Digital Radio. Coming worldview coming up, worldview will be on the well discussing the way. Well be discussing the latest on the israel hamas war and impact on the and and its impact on the uk and crossing santos. But crossing live to us, santos. But up time great up next, its time for the Great British im british debate this hour. Im asking, the prejudice asking, had the bbc prejudice been their been prejudiced in their reporting of the conflict . And ive up on right ive got a pull up on x right now asking you that very question. Have the bbc been prejudiced of question. Have the bbc been prejhamas of question. Have the bbc been prejHamas Conflict . Of question. Have the bbc been prejHamas Conflict . Cast of question. Have the bbc been prejHamas Conflict . Cast yourf the Hamas Conflict . Cast your vote. Now gb news radio. Good afternoon. 23 minutes after 4 00. If youve just tuned in, welcome on board. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. And its time now for the Great British debate. This ive been asking had the bbc been prejudiced in their reporting of the Hamas Conflict . The broadcaster has faced criticism their faced criticism for their coverage of the ongoing conflict between israel and and between israel and hamas, and director general tim davies set to face a major probe from tory mps in the coming days. Senior sources have told gb news that the bbc boss will be questioned over the refusal to describe hamas as a terrorist organisation. And earlier this organisation. And earlier this week, israel accused the bbc of perpetuating modern blood libel over their reporting of the strike on the hospital in gaza. The corporation has admitted that their reporter was wrong to speculate as to which side had struck the hospital or whether it had struck the hospital at all. So if the Great British debate this are im asking, have the bbc been prejudiced in their reporting the hamas reporting for the Hamas Conflict . Me to conflict . Now joining me to discuss pound, former discuss is Stephen Pound, former labour mp ben habib, labour party mp ben habib, deputy reform uk, and deputy leader of reform uk, and neil former conservative neil parish, former conservative mp. Im going to start with you, neil parish. Neil, hello. Yes, neil parish. Neil, hello. Yes, were still looking at you. Yes yeah, go for it. Yes whats your thoughts . Thoughts . My thoughts are that that its right that the bbc cover both sides you know naturally israel and palestinian hamas. But what ive heard especially on sometimes on radio four is that i rather feel that when the palestinians, hamas spokesman is on, theyre not challenged enough really on why israel is taking this action. You know. Taking this action. You know. Oh, oh, i wanted to hear that as well. Weve lost him. Youve frozen in time. Well come back to you. Its an interesting to you. Its an interesting shot. Hes frozen. Hes gone. Well try and pick him up. Well try and him back on. But im try and get him back on. But im going Stephen Pound, going to go to Stephen Pound, then pound, kind then Stephen Pound, its kind of reminds time in reminds me of in my time in Northern Ireland when the bbc would refer derry stroke would refer to derry stroke londonderry to try to avoid giving anybody. Look, the tying itself look, the bbc is tying itself in knots and the reason they are desperate, making themselves, frankly rather foolish desperate, making themselves, fra this rather foolish desperate, making themselves, fra this is rather foolish desperate, making themselves, fra this is because her foolish desperate, making themselves, fra this is because her f no sh on this is because they no longer exclusive rights to longer have exclusive rights to the National Broadcasting platform. Longer the platform. They are no longer the only town and i dont only game in town and i dont think we have to look too far around the around us today to see the alternative broadcasting medium that exists. So theyre desperately to somehow desperately trying to somehow avoid giving offence to anybody. And by doing so they give offence to a lot of people, which sad. Which is its quite sad. Ben habib, what are your thoughts . Well, i mean, i think the bbc have taken an unbelievably oversimplistic to the have taken an unbelievably oversirdebate. To the have taken an unbelievably oversirdebate. You to the have taken an unbelievably oversirdebate. You knowto the have taken an unbelievably oversirdebate. You know , theyve whole debate. You know, theyve painted this as the palestinians versus the state of israel, but it isnt. Of course, this is it isnt. Of course, this is hamas acting as a terrorist organisation attacking israel. Theres a perfectly sensible other part of the Palestinian Authority ization. You know, fatah, which operates in the west bank, that was effective in conflict with hamas and theyve made their peace with israel. Made their peace with israel. This is and the other thing that i feel the bbc has entirely missed out on and indeed most Mainstream Media has failed to pick up on, is that hamas are acting as irans useful idiots and theyve been put into bat in order to undermine the impending imminent recognition of israel by saudi arabia. In return for which saudi was going to get Nuclear Technology from the United States of america. This is so obviously an attempt by iran to set the saudi relationship with the us and with israel back. Lots of arab nations, the uae, for example , nations, the uae, for example, egypt, for example, have accepted the existence of the state of israel and theyve done very well on the back of it. And its iran that was standing in the way. Just come back to the bbc because thats what were talking about. Yeah, but the bbc needs to call them out. Okay neil sorry. Needs to call them out. Okay neii sorry. Needs to call them out. Okay neii think sorry. Needs to call them out. Okay neii think i sorry. Needs to call them out. Okay neii think i got sorry. Needs to call them out. Okay neii think i got cutrry. Needs to call them out. Okay neii think i got cut off and i think i got cut off and just with, with the system. Just now with, with the system. But yes, nana i feel that that the like i said they the bbc like i said when they when hamas when you get the Hamas Palestinian spokesman on in the morning on radio four morning especially on radio four theyre just not challenged enough why israel is enough as to why israel is taking this action in the first place. The fact, you know, the murderous hamas and butchering women and children in israel , women and children in israel, all israelis, and so that is why i think, you know, and also when it came to the to the bombing of the hospital, they they jumped in very, very quickly. It was definitely israel. Well, you know, the jurys out on that at the very least. And so, therefore, i think, you know, they be careful they will have to be careful because i think they sort of think that theyre being moderate and, you know, acting by being impartial, by not calling it out as a terrorist organisation. But if youve read parts of the covenant, hamas, you will read that theyre theyre theyre they want to kill all theyre they want to kill all the jews. I mean, thats pretty much thats what it says on the tin. But it says the iranian constitution says the same thing. But i think the point that neil made about the church of england hospital, which is funded church, funded by the anglican church, for gaza city, for heavens sake, in gaza city, its interesting because in fact , didnt the hospital. It , it didnt hit the hospital. It hit car park. Hit the car park. Well, thats the of the hospital all evidence. Hospital and all the evidence. Look at the if you actually look at the trail where the missile was trail of where the missile was launched from, know, say launched from, you know, to say that actually came from that it actually came from israel israel is israel or bombed by israel is really think really facile. So but i think this where bbc may i just this is where the bbc may i just have a little bit of sympathy for the bbc because i mean, dear old auntie, day, she old auntie, bbc on her day, she was im not entirely sure was good. Im not entirely sure that that day prevails. That that day still prevails. Fair, you know, and to be fair, you know, theyre not here to respond. So you talk about them you know, we can talk about them and i to spend and say, but i have to spend money i to buy a flippin licence. Ive got a right to say. Ive got a right to say. But the point is, then they arent defend arent here to defend themselves. Know, we themselves. So we you know, we have fair them. But have to be be fair to them. But on this occasion, it was quite clear that they reported on something very quickly potentially something very quickly potentia news broadcasters, we do with us news broadcasters, we do want first ones to want to be the first ones to report on it. But being first also means that you need to check and it check all your facts and it didnt quite right didnt even seem quite right because al jazeera because actually al jazeera were filming and saw because actually al jazeera were filrr missiles and saw because actually al jazeera were filrr missiles take and saw because actually al jazeera were filrr missiles take off nd saw because actually al jazeera were filrr missiles take off and saw because actually al jazeera were filrr missiles take off and then iw the missiles take off and then it looked like went it looked like one went backwards. Then was backwards. And then there was a little explosion, was little explosion, which was a roundabout the hospital is roundabout where the hospital is a fuel tanker. Exactly. So im not is not saying that that is definitely was pretty definitely it, but it was pretty close. Ben, did you see close. I mean, ben, did you see that . I didnt see the footage. Ive about and ive read about it. And the number well seems to number of dead as well seems to have been exaggerated. But of course, going course, theres always going to be misinformation coming out through war. And through the fog of war. And weve got to take everything we now hear with a pinch of salt. But i go back to the what are the big consequences for the United Kingdom not United Kingdom here . Its not about israel kicking off against hamas or hamas, kicking off against the big geopolitical concern that have in the west concern that we have in the west is what going to happen in is what is going to happen in the on broader the middle east on a broader basis. Thats why there are two american aircraft carriers there. Weve sent there. Thats why weve sent ships more there. Thats why weve sent sh do more there. Thats why weve sent sh do with more there. Thats why weve sent sh do with iran more there. Thats why weve sent sh do with iran or more there. Thats why weve sent sh do with iran or saudi more there. Thats why weve sent sh do with iran or saudi arabia. to do with iran or saudi arabia. And of course, hezbollah and lebanon in the north, where another are you saying that youd rather the bbc sort of focus on a lot more of that . Well, i think rather than i think we need some proper journalism around why is journalism around why this is happening the happening and who the main actors and what risks we as actors are and what risks we as actors are and what risks we as a country face as a result of whats going on. Because of course, theyve got all the resources, all the resources, theyve got all the money it money we have to pay for it anyway. So they could be doing that. And last word you, neil parish. Yeah, just very you yeah, just very much. You know, when cover know, the bbc, when they cover it, they just must challenge Hamas Palestinians and hamas and the palestinians and they leave them to they mustnt just leave them to rant against israel. And i think they just must be seen, to be fair and they can broaden it as everybody else has said, the arguments as well. But i think, you we really must you know, we just really must concentrate is israel concentrate on why is israel taking this action . Would we be taking this action . Would we be taking this action . Would we be taking this sort of action if wed had innocent women, men and children actually murdered . I suspect we would. And i think thats what they miss very often with this whole argument. But will the bbc exist in its present form in ten years time . I well, thats another thats well, thats another thats another discussion. I think thats the crux of what talking here, what were talking about here, isnt yeah, but were talking well, yeah, but were talking about the about actually this at the moment. But you very much, moment. But thank you very much, neil to talk you. Neil paris, good to talk to you. Stephen uh, Stephen Pound and ben habib. Uh, what think . Thats what what do you think . Thats what they think. Their views. They think. Thats their views. Gb gb news. Com gb views gbnews. Com or tweet me at is gb news. At gb news. This is gb news. Coming up, continue with coming up, well continue with the this the Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour. Im asking, have the bbc been their been prejudiced in their reporting conflict . Reporting of the Hamas Conflict . Youll thoughts of my youll hear the thoughts of my Panel Adviser to the panel, former adviser to the labour party, matthew lazer, also journalist also broadcast on journalist danny kelly. Still to come, danny kelly. Then still to come, my mystery guest in this weeks outside guide. They are a reality tv star turned professional boxer who rose to fame when he married a woman hed never met before on a reality show. Married at first sight, first, though, lets get your latest headlines with. Lisa your latest headlines with. Lisa its 431. Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. Israels prime the newsroom. Israels Prime Minister has told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. Against hamas is do or die for his country. Benjamin netanyahus comments come as a fresh wave of airstrikes hit gaza. This was the scene in the city just a few minutes ago. Israel had issued an urgent warning to residents in the north of the strip ahead of the bombardment, telling them to head south or there may be identified as sympathisers of a terrorist organisation. Terrorist organisation. Meanwhile witnesses are saying they heard a blast and the sound of ambulances near the rafah crossing. It happened after a second convoy of aid was allowed to enter gaza yesterday. 20 to enter gaza yesterday. 20 trucks delivered supplies to the strip after the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. The Un World Food Programme is describing the humanitarian situation in gaza as catastrophic. Meanwhile in as catastrophic. Meanwhile in london, an israel solidarity rally is taking place in Trafalgar Square. The bring them Trafalgar Square. The bring them home protest is calling for the release of all hostages being held by hamas relatives and friends are holding posters of those who are missing or believed to have been kidnapped. It comes after days of pro palestinian protests , along pro palestinian protests, along with claims some people have been inciting violence in. Immigration minister Robert Jenrick says the accusations are being taken seriously to new danger to life. Weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet. Severe the wake of storm babet. Severe flood warnings are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire, which is expected to reach record levels. The number of people whove died during the storm has risen to four after police found the body of a woman in her 80s in chesterfield. You in her 80s in chesterfield. You can get more on all of those stories by visiting the website gb news. Com. Stories by visiting the website gbnews. Com. Now its back to nana. Want to keep you entertained. The Camilla Tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on. Gb news. Welcome back. Its just coming up to 38 minutes after 4 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Its time now for the Great British debate this hour. And asking have the bbc and im asking, have the bbc been prejudiced in their reporting the Hamas Conflict . Reporting of the Hamas Conflict . Now, the broadcaster has faced criticism coverage of criticism for their coverage of the conflict. But in the the ongoing conflict. But in the coming days, director general tim said to be tim davie is said to be questioned by tory mps over the bbcs refusal to describe hamas as a terrorist organisation. And as a terrorist organisation. And earlier this week, facing a backlash, the corporation admitted that their reporter was wrong to speculate as to which side had struck the hospital in gaza. Side had struck the hospital in gaza. So for the Great British gaza. So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking have the bbc been prejudiced in their reporting of hamas right. So lets see what my panel maker that im joined by former labour adviser matthew laza and also broadcaster danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. Im going to start with you, kelly, because i know you, danny kelly, because i know you, danny kelly, because i know you worked the bbc ex bbc, you worked with the bbc ex bbc, 15 16 years that biggest 15 years, 16 years that biggest show on local radio. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go on then. Go on then. So he was going back then in a bit of memory lane then was frustrations. Happy days. Okay. The bbc is far as i did get fired for. For being a 50 year old white guy. Being a 50 year old white guy. Yes, weve discussed it before. Carry on. Anyway, so the bbc, i think , have got this wrong now. Think, have got this wrong now. Their defence, its a bit like the gary lineker defence now. Gary six months ago said gary lineker six months ago said the is using language the government is using language associated with 1930 germany. The mail, the next day the daily mail, the next day print a headline comparing, conflating understandably with germany , lineker says. I never germany, lineker says. I never mention jews and theyve done it again. Again. He never meant to germany. He never meant to germany. Hes exactly so. I mean, he must think that we are absolute idiots bbc are treating idiots and the bbc are treating us contempt here because us with contempt here because their said its their reporter said that its hard to see what else this could be really given the size of the explosion than an israeli explosion other than an israeli airstrike or several airstrikes. And then his boss defends this by saying, well, he at no point reported that it was an israeli airstrike. Its lineker airstrike. Its the lineker defence. Hes hes telling us a message. Lynch and this journalist, he is pointing us in the direction of either germany or an israeli bomb, but they havent implicitly said it. And thats gary has nothing to do with this particular. No, no, but but i know what youre using as a defence is, well, i never actually said that. Yes, you in not so many yes, you did. In not so many words, course you have. Words, of course you have. That was pretty lame. Yeah. Yeah, i think look, i mean, i was at the bbc for similar was at the bbc for a similar amount of i wasnt fired. Amount of time. I wasnt fired. Ijust amount of time. I wasnt fired. I just going to point that out because wasnt i and because i wasnt 50. I was. And you there so were all you were there too. So were all were all im a white man, but im not quite 50. Almost but in all seriousness, i think the problem weve got here is the reporter made a mistake and his big , it was a big big mistake, it was a big mistake. And i think dannys right that the mistake has been compound bbc trying compound did by the bbc trying to defend it by saying that he didnt say what hes on the record and the is there of record and the clip is there of him said and i think him having said and i think you know from the know this all stems from the big decision not to use the word terrorists, even after the events two weeks ago with events we saw two weeks ago with the attacks by hamas. And so now theyve sort of bbc theyve got this sort of bbc compromise, has taken only compromise, which has taken only two to work which is two weeks to work out which is they will not use the word militant as de facto , which they militant as de facto, which they were the damage militant as de facto, which they wer been the damage militant as de facto, which they wer been done. The damage militant as de facto, which they wer been done. Buthe damage militant as de facto, which they wer been done. But thedamage militant as de facto, which they wer been done. But the damage is has been done. But the damage is exactly damage has exactly nana. The damage has been i think therefore been done. And i think therefore people being people in the field are being let down. Hearing today let down. So were hearing today that counselling and that extra counselling and mental is being Mental Health support is being given bbc people at home given to bbc people both at home and the field. And those in the field. Are we paying for because of the stress theyre under . Are we paying for because of the no ass theyre under . Are we paying for because of the no ,;s theyre under . Are we paying for because of the no , i theyre under . Are we paying for because of the no , i mean, leyre under . Are we paying for because of the no , i mean, itse under . Are we paying for because of the no , i mean, its stressful no, i mean, its stressful reporting zone. Reporting from a war zone. With that. But what i agree with that. But what about journalists everywhere i agree with that. But what about no, journalists everywhere i agree with that. But what about no, no, rnalists everywhere i agree with that. But what about no, no, no. Ists everywhere i agree with that. But what about no, no, no. Look, yerywhere i agree with that. But what about no, no, no. Look,yemean,5 else . No, no, no. Look, i mean, thats isnt your job. Thats the job, isnt your job. Thats what theyre doing. So thats what theyre doing. Yeah, that yeah, im im reporting that neutrally that they that neutrally that they are that hes guy whos doing this hes the guy whos doing this that friend of a friend of that was a friend of a friend of mine announced that that was a friend of a friend of min it announced that that was a friend of a friend of min it will announced that that was a friend of a friend of min it will be announced that that was a friend of a friend of min it will be offered |ced that that was a friend of a friend of min it will be offered tod that that it will be offered to everybody, in the everybody, not just those in the conflict because apparently people getting at people are getting shouted at at dinner parties. People are getting shouted at at din thats ties. People are getting shouted at at din thats typical. But, you thats typical. But, you know, what, though . Know, do you know what, though . I all very i mean, look, its all very well. Youre you have to well. But if youre you have to own what you say. So if you say things wrong then things that are wrong and then they with the they cause the problem with the bbc is that it has such a global image worldwide and it has bbc bbc is that it has such a global image serviceide and it has bbc bbc is that it has such a global image serviceide asuch has Bbc World Service and such a wonderful a wonderful wonderful it is a wonderful bastion of what this country is about, at least and it about, or it was at least and it is unfortunate, but its also hadits is unfortunate, but its also had its journalists in the had its own journalists in the middle east making comments which are anti semitic. And, you know , there is an issue with know, there is an issue with that. Know, there is an issue with that. And i know, there is an issue with that. And i dont know know, there is an issue with that. And i dont know how its that. And i dont know how its to going i think the problem after what they said sorry, very quickly, is that Joe Joe Biden was to meeting some was supposed to be meeting some people. Of course, people. And then, of course, that the that meeting with some of the arab leaders turned down arab leaders was turned down because as result of a because i think as a result of a lot of what was said, because they that israel they thought that perhaps israel had this bomb, this had created this bomb, this hospital. Yeah, look , as you say, it yeah, look, as you say, it was a very, serious mistake was a very, very serious mistake in reporting. Look, in the reporting. Now, look, it is, you know, its very difficult reporting from a conflict do conflict zone. Mistakes do happen. But he should have acknowledged the mistake and then the bbc shouldnt have tried the indefensible tried to defend the indefensible or said or they should have said this was of the was said in the heat of the moment. Actually, you moment. This is actually, you know, be and i know, what should be said. And i think its kind of lions led by donkeys in the sense that the management to two management i mean, to take two weeks we weeks to compromise, that we will only wont the word will only we wont use the word militant go to is just is militant as the go to is just is just ridiculous. And think one just ridiculous. And i think one of with the world of the problems with the World Service have service is because there have been whats been so many cuts, whats happened the and happened is rather than the and also a of slightly also theres a sort of slightly woke they shouldnt woke feeling that they shouldnt have, you know, men or have, you know, white men or indeed the uk indeed anybody from the uk reporting from the zones. They hire a lot of people locally. They kind of one they give them a kind of one week on bbc and week course on bbc values and therefore, its often therefore, you know, its often hard it. And of course the hard to do it. And of course the management the management dont speak the languages, the languages, so who knows what the reports guy he this guy, reports guy wasnt he this guy, this guy british. I mean, in this guy was british. I mean, in terms people been terms of the people whove been who tweets, the who liked the tweets, the anti semitic tweets, still journalists im journalists and they still im not excusing it. Im not im not excusing it. Im saying problem. Saying its a problem. And they are part of you know, well be know, they may well be freelancers stuff, no, freelancers and stuff, but no, actually, employed, actually, theyre employed, but theyre employed locally and theyre not given enough supervision to ensure that they you the management you know, what the management need to sort it out. Another inadequate defence or excuse bbc, they say that excuse of the bbc, they say that they will use the words terror attacks. Farage attacks. I remember nigel farage interview someone who was represented bbc in this represented the bbc in this studio about or days ago and studio about 5 or 6 days ago and he legitimised it by saying we can word terror attacks can use the word terror attacks and at the and i was screaming at the telly. Ask him who telly. Nigel ask him who perpetuates . Whos purpose . Telly. Nigel ask him who pewhosites . Whos purpose . Telly. Nigel ask him who pewhos the whos purpose . Telly. Nigel ask him who pewhos the perpetratorpurpose . Telly. Nigel ask him who pewhos the perpetrator of � pose . Telly. Nigel ask him who pewhos the perpetrator of a se . It whos the perpetrator of a terror attack . Yeah, thats the question. If thats a terror attack , what are they who are attack, what are they who are they . They do have a terror attack. Wm attack. Be. Its you must be. Its this spinning the. On head of spinning on the. On the head of a sixpence or whatever the phrase its just its phrase is that its just its just management needs it just the management needs to it needs to much more reactive just the management needs to it neetnot much more reactive just the management needs to it neetnot get much more reactive just the management needs to it neetnot get themselves reactive just the management needs to it neetnot get themselves inactive just the management needs to it neetnot get themselves in thise and not get themselves in this mess because, as you say, that shatters the bbcs reputation. Well, shame. Well, it is a shame. The bbc are not but of course the bbc are not here defend themselves. But here to defend themselves. But i mean, you you saw it, you mean, you know, you saw it, you watched are the watched it. And those are the words journalist did words that that journalist did say. Are simply asking say. So we are simply asking the question that question whether you think that theyre being biased in theyre perhaps being biased in their reporting. Keep your thoughts views thoughts coming, gb views gbnews. Com at gb gbnews. Com or tweet me at gb news. Show is nothing news. But this show is nothing without your views. Without you. And your views. Lets welcome british lets welcome our Great British voices their opportunity to be on and tell us what on the show and tell us what they think about topics that they think about the topics that were im amanda were discussing. Im amanda hindley. There in kent. Hindley. She is there in kent. Amanda right. So nice to see you. Yeah looks lovely. Im going to get wig just like going to get a wig just like that. Just like that. Amanda talk me. What do you think talk to me. What do you think then . Are bit biased in then . Are they a bit biased in their they their reporting . Are they embarrassing themselves or. Or have expect that have you come to expect that from bbc . Have you come to expect that frori bbc . Have you come to expect that frori bbi . Have you come to expect that frori bbi think when it comes i mean, i think when it comes to reporting something , to reporting something, especially the atrocities that were seeing at the moment in the middle east, think the middle east, i think everything that we hear from all Mainstream Media needs to be taken pinch salt. Um taken with a pinch of salt. Um but unfortunately, the bbc have got themselves in a rather sticky situation. Again, this the reporter i understand, is a human and maybe there was a knee jerk reaction there because he is zone. But is reporting in a war zone. But the the bbc didnt the fact that the bbc didnt react straight away to apologise or rectify the situation, or to rectify the situation, they are themselves as well as not using the word terrorist that are in citing prejudice within themselves. So i think it was their fault. Was their fault. Yeah, its difficult, isnt it . Because on one side they want to remain impartial, but on the other side theyre thinking that means to be that impartial means and to be honest, calling someone a terrorist not youre not terrorist is not youre not making a judgement. That making a judgement. But if that person the manner person is behaving in the manner of terrorist and does of a terrorist and does terrorist they are of a terrorist and does teterrorist, they are of a terrorist and does teterrorist, isnt they are of a terrorist and does teterrorist, isnt it . They are of a terrorist and does teterrorist, isnt it . So hey are a terrorist, isnt it . So absolutely, absolutely. Theres so trying so hard and theres so trying so hard to be impartial because theyre not the only media outlet now. Theyre trying so hard that they are making themselves impartial. So. Yeah. Well, listen, amanda, thank always thank you very much. Always good to thats amanda to talk to you. Thats amanda hindley. Shes there in kent. Shes brilliant voice. Right. Hindley. Shes there in kent. Shes to brilliant voice. Right. Hindley. Shes there in kent. Shes to going nt voice. Right. Hindley. Shes there in kent. Shes to going come e. Right. Hindley. Shes there in kent. Shes to going come quicklyt. So im to going come quickly back then. Yeah. Back to you to then. Yeah. Thought amanda nailed so i thought amanda nailed it really . She did. Was really . She did. She was a really, really good contribution. Absolutely. But they rest they dont realise that the rest of the media landscape is making them to compliment amanda id like to compliment amanda on her hair, too. And a beautiful smile. Talk about hair for i never talk about hair for rather obvious reasons. Would together. You would be together. I think nail on think amandas hit the nail on the is just the head. The bbc is just trying. Hard to be impartial. Trying. So hard to be impartial. Its. Its coming as its. Its coming across as being know, call a being partial. You know, call a terrorist. Terrorist doesnt being partial. You know, call a terrorist. Youre st doesnt being partial. You know, call a terrorist. Youre takingint being partial. You know, call a terrorist. Youre taking sides. Mean that youre taking sides. No mean that youre taking sides. N0 is taking by no one is taking a side by calling somebody noun that calling somebody the noun that is theyre terrorist. Do you think then, in so do you think then, in a word, that theyre being biased in their reporting . Listen yes. They 16 years at the bbc, they have leaning palestinian have a left leaning palestinian pro bias, my opinion, is yes. Pro bias, in my opinion, is yes. You think are biased. You think they are biased. You think they are biased. About think and what about you . I think that clearly was maybe by that report clearly was maybe by accident and therefore, the comeback by management has just a total mess. A total mess. Yeah, they take too long. Just apologise quickly. Well, just apologise quickly. Well, youre im nana. Youre with me. Im nana. This is coming up in the is a gb news coming up in the next hour, time for the next hour, its time for the great debate and ill Great British debate and ill be asking whether braverman asking whether Suella Braverman Suella Braverman migrant Suella Braverman says migrant crossings an invasion. Do crossings are an invasion. Do you with her choice of you agree with her choice of words . Its all about words today. But first up next, its world view good afternoon. If you just joined us, welcome on board. This is a gb news. We are the peoples channel. Dont forget as well. You can download the gb news app. Im nana akua. And its time now for world view. So lets reflect on ongoing lets reflect on the ongoing conflict israel and conflict between israel and hamas. Demonstrators are currently gathering in londons trafalgar to demand the Trafalgar Square to demand the release hostages being held release of hostages being held by in the gaza strip. So by hamas in the gaza strip. So joining me now is the chairman of the National Jewish assembly , of the National Jewish assembly, gary gary, we spoke gary mond. Now, gary, we spoke last and i know this week last week and i know this week on the monday you were at the bbc at the protest there. So talk give me an update as to whats been going on and what your members are saying. Well, we had 1500 members the we had 1500 members at the demonstration, a number of speakers media, from speakers from the media, from israel grass roots groups. And i think that the message is just starting to percolate through to the bbc. But of course, theyre being very mealy mouthed in theyre saying mouthed in what theyre saying and the use of the and doing about the use of the word terrorists. They dont be they dont seem to be prepared what prepared in spite of what theyve said, to actually call hamas out as terrorists. And then no sooner do we focus on that area, then theres, of course, way reported on course, the way they reported on theissue course, the way they reported on the issue concerning the car Park Hospital in gaza park in the hospital in gaza city where they blamed israel before they even actually took the out the facts i and its appalling. And its appalling. Well, it took them the problem is and obviously, you know, want bash the know, i dont want to bash the bbc have a lot of bbc because i have a lot of respect. Ive been trained by them. They have they have some amazing qualities. This amazing qualities. But on this particular , i think they particular issue, i think they they have a bit of a conflict of interest because on one side, theyre saying they want to be impartial the other side impartial and the other side theyre able to call theyre not able to call something what it is something out for what it is as if it had been judged for doing that. I think this is something thats many years. Its not just a development with this particular with regard to this particular war. Got enormous weve got two enormous examples this particular war. If you were looking back at 2014 conflicts 2014 and another conflicts a similar sort of bias against israel in favour of its enemies has developed. You think and i mean , some you think and i mean, some people would say that that isnt the case because they do. I mean, i think there were some palestinians were also palestinians who were also protesting saying that the bbc were being them were not being fair to them either. So some but either. So some times. But i mean, look, on this particular either. So some times. But i mean, |one on this particular either. So some times. But i mean, |one incident, articular either. So some times. But i mean, |one incident, i rticular either. So some times. But i mean, |one incident, i havear either. So some times. But i mean, |one incident, i have to on this one incident, i have to 100 be with you on that. They they they got it. Dont they they they got it. I dont know whether they got it wrong they they they got it. I dont kn righthether they got it wrong they they they got it. I dont kn righthethe regard got it wrong they they they got it. I dont kn righthethe regard goithe nrong or right with regard to the hospital, too far hospital, but they were too far ahead and they hadnt checked there. Theres evidence to show that it missile from the palestinian. Evidence, mean, there is evidence, i mean, and thought that and its widely thought that that so so beyond that is the case. So so beyond that, then, what else has been going on . Because obviously, the conflict is still happening. What are your members . Actually to i think we actually need to look issue not look at one issue thats not often covered is whats going on inside israel. Right. Weve got 300,000 to 400,000 people middle right. Weve got 300,000 to 400, people people middle right. Weve got 300,000 to 400, people being ople middle right. Weve got 300,000 to 400, people being called middle right. Weve got 300,000 to 400, people being called up. |iddle aged people being called up. Thats the equivalent of 3 million 4 million. Million to 4 million. Britain, weve got 100 to in britain, weve got 100 to 150,000 israelis having to leave home moved. Home and be moved. Like 1 to 1. 5 million thats like 1 to 1. 5 Million People in britain. Its these are astonishing numbers and are astonishing high numbers and israeli is being badly israeli life is being badly affected by the war. And that is not often felt. And the other issue people and the other issue that people are about is are getting nervous about is were starting to hear from politicians use of the word politicians the use of the word israel needs to restrain itself. Israel needs to do whats in its best interests. Its best interests. And thats a matter for israels government. And whatever that is, it is. And whatever that is, it is. And whatever that is, it is. And whatever that is, it is. And must be supported. And israel must be supported. You cant say we support israel on the hand, but on the on the one hand, but on the other hand, the moment they do something that feel over other hand, the moment they do sorrtop,ng that feel over other hand, the moment they do sorrtop, you1at feel over other hand, the moment they do sorrtop, you condemnel over other hand, the moment they do sorrtop, you condemn them. Ver other hand, the moment they do sorrtop, you condemn them. And the top, you condemn them. And this is going to become a big issue, i believe, next issue, i believe, in the next couple particularly if couple of weeks, particularly if Israeli Forces enter gaza on Israeli Forces do enter gaza on the ground, because it must be hard deal that. Hard to deal with that. Of there are but of course, there are palestinian lives as well that are being destroyed with regards. Every life important and every life is important and we to minimise we do our best to minimise civilian casualties. Has objective but israel has an objective of hamas and if of eliminating hamas and if theyre going to achieve that objective , tragically there will objective, tragically there will be damage. They be some Collateral Damage. They will seek to minimise it, i have no doubt. But there will be Collateral Damage if theyre going their objective going to achieve their objective and of course to and they also of course want to do the hostages. What are your thoughts the what are your thoughts on the protesters the fact that protesters and the fact that they from they were chanting from the river sea and also river to the sea and also calling jihad . Well i think calling for jihad . Well i think its absolutely appalling. Would to some and i would like to see some prosecutions happen for hate speech, we see. There were speech, which we see. There were plenty of examples yesterday. Plenty of examples yesterday. Some are well recorded, others less well recorded. But we the government needs to get a grip on this sort of i mean, frankly , on this sort of i mean, frankly, there was a Major Campaign to stop the march altogether, which the Jewish Chronicle launched andits the Jewish Chronicle launched and its a great shame that didnt succeed. And i think that didnt succeed. And i think that in the coming days and weeks, pressure needs to be put to bear on the government to stop these types of marches which do nothing but generate hatred for jewish people. But what would you say to the argument that this freedom of speech and in this country we dont of Police Speech in dont sort of Police Speech in its a fine line between freedom of speech and hate speech and some of the hate speech is just absolutely disgusting and appalling. That was coming out of that march. And if you your members, do they talk with regard to of course, whats happening to those people in gaza who are obviously having to deal with this situation . Everybody is concerned about civilian, civilian lives and civilian, civilian lives and civilian casualties, whether whoever they are. But there is a job to be done. And that job is to eliminate hamas completely. And utterly and also make sure that a son hamas doesnt that a son of hamas doesnt emerge after hamas has been eliminated. Dont think that but dont you think that obviously, know, with the obviously, you know, with the violence, of violence, violence sort of perpetuates so perpetuates violence. So absolutely. Israel have the right to defend itself on every level. The best comparison is the way the allied forces dealt with germany in 1945, germany was an evil which had to be obliterated from the world. And stalin, roosevelt and churchill all agreed on that. And thats what they did. Germany finished in may 1945 and has never resurfaced yet. S the has never resurfaced yet. S the idea of tragically still exists very much so. And im sure the idea of islamic fundamentalism will continue to exist. But we can actually deal with the entity known as hamas on the ground in gaza and that has to be done. Okay. Well listen, gary, thank you for speaking so passionately about that. And thank you so much for coming in and me about that. And talking to me about that. Very for thank you very much for having me. Monti. Hes the that is gary monti. Hes the Chairman National jewish chairman for the National Jewish assembly, to assembly, travelling over now to america , where were going to america, where were going to speak host the speak to the host of the politics podcast, politics people podcast, Paul Duddridge, and lets out duddridge, and lets find out whats on there, whats been going on there, starting and starting off with trump and trumps attorney, Sidney Powell flips on him. What is this . Somebody turned on trump. Somebody turned on trump. Yes. In short, in the Georgia Election case, where trump is accused of trying to overturn a legitimate election , fingers legitimate election, fingers crossed, they want to say that one of his, uh, Co Conspirators, i think theyre now described as Sidney Powell, has taken a plea deal and pled guilty to six misdemeanour us connected with overturning an election and has agreed to testify in this matter. And that largely means testifying against trump and all the other Co Conspirators as listed. She has been sentenced to six years probation and a 6,000 fine and must write a letter of apology to georgia and its residents. Its residents. Oh, so what are they expecting to hear from her then . And shes shes flipping on him. What what kind of nasties could she reveal . She reveal . Well, its this is the ongoing witch hunt. She will basically say what the state has been saying all along, which is that the election was stolen and trump sort whilst he was actually just apparently asking for a recount of the votes that wasnt what was happening. He wasnt what was happening. He was actually mounting an insurrection and trying to overthrow a legitimate elected government. Im sure his along those lines of the prosecutions and all. But thats this is in georgia. Its actually very, georgia. Its actually very, very bad. I mean, i seem to make light of it, but it is very, very bad for trump because this these are real world ramifications. Ramifications. But he still leading in the polls. He still hes still polls. He still hes still leading in the polls, isnt he . Leading in the polls, isnt he . This the polls this week have gone through the roof for him. He is now leading. I want to get he is now leading. I want to get this right because im not these arent just sort of the Trump Organisation polls, cnbc. Organisation polls, cnbc. Bloomberg has him leading in swing states, but for the very first time hes leading in the under 30 category. Now everybody. Yeah. The received wisdom is that yes well he cant republicans and trump can never get the young vote hes currently leading in the seven swing states according to the bloomberg poll. Hes leading in the under 30 category. And that is a first. And this is the First Time Since summer that hes actually leading. Biden you hes actually leading. Biden you know, i come on here full of doom and gloom saying i dont think he can win in because think he can win in 24 because of swing states. Hes now of the swing states. Hes now leading in them. What hell is going on what the hell is going on with his hair, though . It looks like ears in his head like hes got ears in his head and i just to and its wrong. I just want to quickly finish biden, who quickly finish on biden, who bought house for 2. 75 bought a beach house for 2. 75 million in cash. Its bit million in cash. Its a bit dodgy, it . In cash . In dodgy, isnt it . In cash . In cash. Cash now, theres no perfectly normal on a senator at the time. I think he was still he was back to being a senator. No, absolutely normal. Anybody can absolutely normal. Anybody can afford 2. 75 million in cash. And it came just after a text from the son hunter pressuring his chinese contact to come up with the 10 million. So theres no there is just a coincidence that pressure was put on a Business Contact for the 10 million. And a week later, 2. 75 million was paid in cash for a beach house on a senators salary. Its just nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Paul duddridge, thank you so much. Duddridge, thank you so much. Thats duddridge. Hes the thats Paul Duddridge. Hes the host people host of the politics people podcast. This is gb news. More host of the politics people pocome this is gb news. More host of the politics people pocome imis is gb news. More host of the politics people pocome in the; gb news. More host of the politics people po come in the next news. More host of the politics people po come in the next hour. More host of the politics people po come in the next hour. More host of the politics people po come in the next hour. Good to come in the next hour. Good afternoon. Its 5 00. Im nana akua. Were live on tv, online akua. Were live on tv, online and on Digital Radio for the next hour. Me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right on the way. My mystery right now on the way. My mystery guest , he is a reality tv star guest, he is a reality tv star turned professional boxer and hell be talking to us about his thoughts on Current Affairs as he was also in that fabulous show, sight show, married at first sight australia, then for the Great British debate. No uk one though im asking Suella Braverman says that migrant crossings are an invasion, but do you agree with her . Agree with that her . Do you agree with that choice words . But first, choice of words . But first, lets latest news lets get your latest news headunes. Lets get your latest News Headlines. Lisa headlines with. Lisa its 5 00. Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. Gaza has been hit the newsroom. Gaza has been hit by a fresh wave of airstrikes. A by a fresh wave of airstrikes. A number of explosions have been seen after israel issued a warning to residents to leave the area. Leaflets were dropped the area. Leaflets were dropped in the north of the strip saying if they stayed there, life was in danger and they may be identified as terrorist sympathisers. Earlier, prime sympathisers. Earlier, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. Israel Defence Forces spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel peter lerner says its a complex mission. We know extensive how extensive their tunnel mechanisms is , is and how they mechanisms is, is and how they are operating and using them. So were confident that we have good intelligence. But the realm of warfare is the, urn, its not the known knowns. Its the unknown , unknown knowns. And so unknown, unknown knowns. And so we know that we have a brutal enemy. We dont know exactly enemy. We dont know exactly what theyre doing. We have a what theyre doing. We have a good grasp of their operational capabilities and we need to confront that. And remove that as if it was a tumour. Former head of the palestinian Palestinian Diplomatic Mission to the uk, Manuel Hassassian, says he Still Believes in a two state solution. State solution. Dont try to put us, you know, all in a frame that we are terrorists as palestinians. Terrorists as palestinians. There is a difference between the Palestinian People who want peace and security and there is a difference between the Palestinian Authority , which is Palestinian Authority, which is the legitimate, legitimate representative of the Palestinian People who believe in a two state solution, who have condemned violence all along. The question is, can along. The question is, can israel stop state terrorism on equal basis . Thats the question i witnesses also say they heard a blast and the sound of ambulances near the rafah crossing. It happened after a second convoy of aid was allowed to enter gaza yesterday. 20 to enter gaza yesterday. 20 trucks delivered supplies to the strip after the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. The Israeli Military has also admitted one of its tanks accidentally hit an egyptian position near the crossing. Its apologised for the incident, which is now being investigated. And in london, an investigated. And in london, an israel solider rally is taking place in Trafalgar Square. The bnng place in Trafalgar Square. The bring them home protest is calling for the release of all hostages being held by hamas relatives and friends are holding posters of those who are missing or believed to have been kidnapped. It comes after days of pro palestinian protests , of pro palestinian protests, along with claims some people have been inciting violence in. Immigration minister Robert Jenrick says the accusations are being taken seriously. Being taken seriously. We ive written to all chief chief constables across the country saying that they should refer individuals that come to their attention to the home office. There is a Legal Process office. There is a Legal Process to be followed, but as and when we receive those, we will consider them. And if they meet the legal bar, then we will absolutely revoke and expel them. And the first case is already under consideration in a search and rescue operation is undennay off the kent coast following reports a man on a Passenger Ship fell overboard. German Cruise Company aida says it has reason to believe it was a crew member of the aida perla, whos missing from the vessel. The alarm was raised just before 9 00 this morning. And the ship returned to the site where its thought the incident lifeboats incident happened. Lifeboats supported by a helicopter are also searching the area near ramsgate. To a new danger to ramsgate. To a new danger to life. Weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet severe flood warnings are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire , which is nottinghamshire, which is expected to reach record levels. The number of people whove died dunng the number of people whove died during the storm has risen to four after police found the body of a woman in her 80s in chesterfield and Manchester United has opened a book of condolence at old trafford following the death of sir bobby charlton. The legendary footballer was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team. In 1966. Flora tributes and football shirts are being placed outside the Manchester United stadium with his former club , stadium with his former club, saying hell always be remembered as a giant of the game. Fans have also been sharing their fondest memories of sir bobby. I saw him play maybe 20 times in the early 70s before he retired. Before he retired. The greatest player in the world, really. I mean, hes up there with pele. Its very sad to see such a great man and a great footballer pass. Im just shocked, really. You know, hed been part of my life. Know, hed been part of my life. If i get a bit choked while ive been growing up, you know , ive been growing up, you know, ive been growing up, you know, ive been growing up, you know, ive been following united and all the great things. All the great things. Hes always involved. Bobby charlton, this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying, play gb news now its back to nana. Now its back to nana. Good afternoon. Its just coming up to six minutes after 5 00. This is gb news on tv onune 5 00. This is gb news on tv online and on Digital Radio. Im nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. This is all about opinion. This show is all about opinion. Its of its mine, its theirs. And of course, yours. Well be course, its yours. Well be debating it. Debating discussing it. At times. Will disagree, but no times. We will disagree, but no one be cancelled. So one will be cancelled. So joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also and journalist danny kelly, also a labour Party Adviser, a former labour Party Adviser, matthew laza. So still to come, each sunday five, im joined each sunday at five, im joined by celebrity, a former mp , or by a celebrity, a former mp, or someone had an extremely someone whos had an extremely interesting career a interesting career to take a look at life after we look at life after the job. We talk highs, lessons talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the im the outside. And today im joined a media personality joined by a media personality who rose to fame on married at first sight and of course, celebrity big brother. Hes a professional boxer and has amassed a huge number of fans on social media. You wont want to miss that. Hes on the way next. But for the Great British debate, this hour, im asking Suella Braverman says that migrant are an migrant crossings are an invasion. An do you agree with invasion. An do you agree with her wording . Invasion. An do you agree with her wording . Ive invasion. An do you agree with her wording . Ive got invasion. An do you agree with her wording . Ive got a pull up right now asking that question. Her wording . Ive got a pull up righialow asking that question. Her wording . Ive got a pull up righia pollrsking that question. Her wording . Ive got a pull up righia poll hasig that question. Her wording . Ive got a pull up righia poll has found question. Her wording . Ive got a pull up righia poll has found querover and a poll has found that over half of brits agreed with the home secretary describing the small boats crisis as an invasion. Addition to survey invasion. In addition to survey found that 52 considered channel migrants to be a security threat, whilst only 20 thought that they werent a threat at all. But what do you think . Then up later, think . And then up later, my mini labour are mini debate. Labour are reportedly planning to give drivers Cash Incentives to buy electric to keep to the electric cars to keep to the original 2030 target. But what do you think . This all comes after . Sunak recently rowed rowed back on his net zero policies, but what do you think . Petrol diesel cars . 2030. Do you back labour as always . Email gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. Now then, now then. My mystery guest. Have you my mystery guest. Have you worked out hes a millionaire . Worked out hes a millionaire . Yes. Yes. Unfortunately, though, i dont think hes single. A millionaire property tycoon. He first rose to fame when in 2017. I say this because he married a woman hed never met before on the reality show. Married at first sight. Dont you just love that . He then made an appearance on brother and that . He then made an appearance on has brother and that . He then made an appearance on has dedicated ther and that . He then made an appearance on has dedicated aler and that . He then made an appearance on has dedicated a career into then has dedicated a career into becoming a professional boxer. Now now hes here to explain the importance of having father figures and families and talk about own experience the about his own experience the first dad have you guessed first time. Dad have you guessed it . Im not sure you have, it . Well, im not sure you have, but now by media but im joined now by media personality and actor. Yes. Here he is. You are Benjamin Jardine. Benjamin jardine. Benjamin jardine. Hes here right. So Benjamin Jardine talk to me. Youre a property tycoon. How did you become one . When did you buy your First Property . Oh , interesting. Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. Years ago. Oh might show. Years ago. Oh might show. Might be showing me age a little bit. Not that old. Youre not over 50 . No, im not. No sorry. No, im not. No sorry. I probably bought my First Property when i was. Ill property when i was. Ill probably say when i was 23 years old. 23. Thats about 20. 23. Thats about 20. 21, actually, 21 years old. 21, actually, 21 years old. It could only been a couple of years ago. Well, yeah , only of years ago. Well, yeah, only the other year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you bought your First Property. How did that when interest were down. Property. How did that when inteoh, were down. Property. How did that when inteoh, remember� down. Property. How did that when inteoh, remember those. Property. How did that when inteoh, remember those days. Oh, remember those days. Oh, remember those days. When young, you well, when i was young, you could just say, oh could literally just say, oh yeah, no, i earn this much. And then they okay, fine, then they say, okay, fine, you could a property. Could literally get a property. Its yeah. Well, do know what yeah. Well, do you know what its again . It goes in its again . Its it goes in circles its a vicious circles and its a vicious circle. I was always like say circle. I was always like to say and interest are going up and Interest Rates are going up now. , like what you now. So obviously, like what you were the were saying earlier and the chaps upon chaps touched upon with landlords its landlords and everything, its very, very lets be say, testing times for landlords at the time. Absolutely. Are you still do you still have lots of property . Im going more into the Development Side now as well. Got a few so weve got a few developments in the developments in in the background. But again, youve got right funding. Got to get the right funding. Youre know, youre looking at the you know, again, lowering taxes as again, youre lowering taxes as well. But were looking at gdp performance that , 40 taxes performance on that, 40 taxes on know its astonishing, on that know its astonishing, isnt it . So still have some so you still have some properties. Are your properties. What are your thoughts sort thoughts then on this sort of renters that be renters reform bill that may be passed in a couple of months time or so . Passed in a couple of months timi or so . Passed in a couple of months timi or soi agree with what ben i think i agree with what ben and stephen said. Really. I think , yeah, its really. I think, yeah, its quite its scary. Thats what i want to say because at the end of the day, youre giving all the power, you know, to and the tenants, which, you know, there are many tenants. But again weve, weve got weve, weve all, weve all got experiences havent we. Weve had bad tenants weve all had bad tenants i suppose, and people that dont look after peoples property i suppose, and youre giving that power suppose, and youre giving that povso what do you do, what do so what do you do, what do you do . And where you need and thats where you need that the government that support from the government and, to even and and, you know, to even try and get people out of the houses that not pay the rent and that could not pay the rent and everything. Youre that could not pay the rent and everwithlg. Youre that could not pay the rent and everwith these youre that could not pay the rent and everwith these big youre that could not pay the rent and everwith these big interest re left with these big Interest Rates mortgages rates on your mortgages and everything, quite , everything, and its quite, quite quite worrying. Quite scary and quite worrying. Worrying is it very worrying time . So talk about how you got on talk to me about how you got on to married at first sight. I was walking down the street. Nana no, you were really. I went out for a sandwich and ended up with a wife. Thats a true story. Wife. Thats a true story. What happened . How did they approach you . Literally, i was. I was literally, i was. I was Walking Around the street, basically. They said, would you marry a stranger . Id be in a long term relationship that ended. And by the you know, i was in that emotional mood as a pisces, as i am. Um, well, i was pisces, as i am. Um, well, i was with a stranger for a long time, so. Yeah well, you know, in a relationship , i just think its relationship, i just think its quite interesting in relationships that, you know, the first two years are always your romantic periods and then the face drops off sometime. Do the face drops off sometime. Do you know what i mean . The mask slips you see, you slips and then you see, you learn always said you learn my nan always said you dont him unless you live dont know him unless you live with him. Well or the rose tinted come and tinted spectacles come off and then the reality of then you can see the reality of then you can see the reality of the situation before you. Im not bitter. So what but im not bitter. So what am happened am i exactly . So what happened then . So what was it like being on that show . Because i find i watch one even though i know i can to bed and watch it the can go to bed and watch it the next. I have to keep going and watching catch up. Watching them all on catch up. I cant it. Cant help it. Do you know what its. I learnt a lot about as an learnt a lot about myself as an individual. Again it is true. You actually do all the scientific so you get your scientific tests so you get your hair cut. I was walking down the street. The next minute i was in the hairdressers, so they cut your yeah, they took my your hair . Yeah, they took my dna samples. Really did me iq test . Yeah obviously. And then you all these so you do all these tests, so psychological tests, all these evaluations. So youre actually evaluations. So youre actually learning a lot about yourself. But they and match you by but they try and match you by science. Thats what i found science. Thats what i found quite about the quite interesting about the whole situation. Turned around and so when you turned around and saw your partner for your new wife, what did you honestly think . Honestly um. Do you know what i was . I was blown away and all i say is like, you know, the wedding. It was a great night. Yeah but it was a great night. Yeah but it was a great night. Yeah but it was a great, great day. Great event. I was like , youre up, mum. Yeah. And then. And then what yeah. And then. And then what happened . When did, when did the will start falling off as they always do in the morning. Always do in the morning. Seriously in the morning. No seriously in the morning. No seriously in the morning. No seriously in the morning. No it was, its again i think when you watch the show i think i was a bit of a when you watch the show i think iwasa bitofa i when you watch the show i think i was a bit of a i like to say a bit of a rabbit in the headlights, but, um, it was, you know, it and im a big, you know , ambassador for, like, you know, family and everything, you know, family and everything, you know, its i dont know how to say it, but i want to say it. Spit it out. Spit it out. Um, i was scared. Like, do you know what i mean . It was one of them where you think, what have i done . Do you know what i mean . Like, youre in that moment. You think, okay, what do we now . Weve got to go we do now . Okay, weve got to go and live together. Weve got to go together. Weve go and do this together. Weve got go. And again, when got to go. And again, when youre or it was, know, youre or it was, you know, youre or it was, you know, youre yourself, youre learning about yourself, but then youre learning about that like, you that person. Its like, you know, i probably like, why arent you back at time . Arent you back at this time . Why know, its why arent you . You know, its like didnt how you like i didnt know how to you know, training one night. Know, i went training one night. I and the i went training and then the next minute i just thought, okay, where you . Im just okay, where are you . Im just coming back from training. Do you what mean . Its like you know what i mean . Its like youre checked in on. Youre getting checked in on. Kind of mean, but thats kind of i mean, its relationship. Do sort its a relationship. You do sort of your partner where of tell your partner where youre stuff like youre going and stuff like that. Because again, when youre when and then when youre single and then all of a sudden youre like, oh, now youve because marriage youve got because marriage you have marriage. Have to work at a marriage. So how you last on the series . I didnt get to see you one. Im going to go back and watch it, though. Lasted all the way to yes, i lasted all the way to the end. You . Yeah, it was. The end. Did you . Yeah, it was. And you know what . Again . And do you know what . Again . Its say before. Im its like what i say before. Im very, serious and very, very serious about it. And i serious going into i was serious about going into it. All of a sudden you it. But then all of a sudden you learn about yourself. And again, in like to say in what i always like to say is someone wasted of years of someone wasted a lot of years of my the wrong person , my life with the wrong person, so why would i want to do that to thats what to someone else . And thats what i put, know, across i tried to put, you know, across at the end. Were they upset that you didnt want to with them . Didnt want to be with them . Yeah yeah, yeah. Again, it was you but again, it was because you go through counselling go through couples counselling and you through all that and and you go through all that and thats lot about yourself. So at what your mind so at what point in your mind through series did you go, through that series did you go, theres no way i could be with this know, like this person. You know, like sometimes youre someone this person. You know, like somtheyre youre someone this person. You know, like somtheyre just e someone this person. You know, like somtheyre just they someone this person. You know, like somtheyre just they do omeone this person. You know, like somtheyre just they do this jne and theyre just they do this one irritates one thing that just irritates you think, no, um, you and you just think, no, um, in honeymoon, id say , oh, in the honeymoon, id say, oh, that early . Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, yeah. No, its. Yeah what . What do you know . What . What do you know . God, thats good in it. Yeah, but you went through the whole thing because obviously you get, you nice you get to take them to nice places. You get lots of good food. Yeah. Places. You get lots of good fooiyeah. H. Places. You get lots of good fooiyeah. But again, again you yeah. But again, again you are, know, trying to are, you know, youre trying to learn that person and its learn about that person and its hard when youve got a camera in your you know your face as well. Do you know what i mean . To learn learn about person and then you about that person and then you youre scenes, you about that person and then you youre and scenes, you about that person and then you youre and everyones enes, you about that person and then you youre and everyones evaluating know, and everyones evaluating you. Theres a lot of pressure. Are you still friends . Are you still friends . No, no, no, no. But, like, do you know what i mean . Like. You know what i mean . Its like. But you know, anyone but i wish, you know, anyone does a show if they do it for the reasons, respect to them. Did anybody get together on the you did . Does the show that you did . Does anybody together . The show that you did . Does any um,� together . The show that you did . Does any um,� its gether . The show that you did . Does anyum,� its butier . The show that you did . Does anyum,� its but again, it um, no. 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But that two year phase or whatever, when youre learning your partner phase or whatever, when youre lear comes your partner phase or whatever, when youre lear comes straight partner phase or whatever, when youre lear comes straight away. Er yeah. Yeah. Well, has been yeah. Well, what has it been like now out of it . Like for you now out of it . Because now. Because you have a child now. Yeah, got, ive got yeah, ive got, ive got a little girl and ive got recently had a little boy. A recently had a little boy. A little boy. And like , amazing. Little boy. And like, amazing. Im amazing , little boy. And like, amazing. Im amazing, amazing place , im an amazing, amazing place, to be honest. When i came out of big brother, i had to , um. I had big brother, i had to, um. I had to fight for my little girl. And i. Yeah, i had to go through the Court Systems and the process. I had to. And im a big ambassador for, like, family needs fathers andits for, like, family needs fathers and its very, very close to my heart. Heart. So partner not let you so your partner not let you see the child . Mean, as much see the child . I mean, as much as can say. As you can say. Yeah, it was. Yeah. And i want to be like, its just its fair. Like, theres a lot of fair. And like, theres a lot of Things Health at the things with Mental Health at the minute and, and but being in someones life, youre, youre flesh and blood like thats what you thats what you want to be. Thats what lifes about in my eyes. And im a family, family person. And a big family, family person. And when taken from you, when thats taken away from you, that affect you. But you that can affect you. But you know, you want to know to. Where know, you want to know to. Where and thats why im an ambassador for families, for fathers, because have reach because you have to reach out. But go and learn the but i had to go and learn the law. I had you know, law. I had to go. You know, i felt like richard gear. Do you know at the end of know what i mean . At the end of it, yeah, because, you know, when youre fighting for something emotional something that is emotional to you, relationship, you, again, like a relationship, if you dont act, you dont youre know, youre not youre not, you know, youre not cold calculated how, cold and calculated like how, you a business, as you know, like as a business, as a business man, say for a business man, say say for instance relationships. Instance, in relationships. Im saying. Instance, in relationships. Oh, im saying. Instance, in relationships. Oh, oh, im saying. Instance, in relationships. Oh, oh, oh im saying. Instance, in relationships. Oh, oh, oh nan saying. Instance, in relationships. Oh, oh, oh na na aying. Instance, in relationships. Oh, oh, oh na na na. Ig. Instance, in relationships. Oh, oh, oh na na na. Like i like , i like that. But yeah, but like, i like that. But yeah, but again, i think we are getting a little bit more like that. So, you know, went through like you know, i went through like four of fighting , but we four years of fighting, but we won. Wot]. Won. What is the one thing that you learned from that process . So maybe a law that you learnt that or something that you think that or something that you think that a lot fathers dont know that a lot of fathers dont know that a lot of fathers dont know that learnt you thought , that you learnt and you thought, oh things. Oh well, that changes things. Was there something that you learned in process . Learned in that process . Absolutely, yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Absolutely, yeah. But one though, that but one thing though, that someones now and someones watching now and theyre a custody someones watching now and theybattle a custody someones watching now and theybattle or a custody someones watching now and theybattle or theyre a custody someones watching now and theybattle or theyre a dadody type battle or theyre a dad whos estranged from their kids that to know that they would want to know that they would want to know that really them. That could really help them. Your own. Youre not on your own. Youre own. Theres youre not on your own. Theres a people out there and a lot of people out there and like, want be in my like, i want to be in my daughters and my sons life forever. And i want them to know that its in right and right forever writings forever. And forever writings forever. And shes always to going know that i fought for her and. And youre not on your own. But its the legal system, which is its very, very hard. I had to go. I, very, very hard. I had to go. I, i had to go a little bit about. Yeah, you know what . You had because, you know, like, again, one thing, make sure you get parental responsibility side is that on the birth certificate. Yeah i didnt know at the time i didnt know and i dont want to go into it but i had to go too much into it but i had to then had to go to like to start that relationship. I got about a year taken away from my daughters life and i had go daughters life and i had to go and have people supervise me whilst i was doing it and going through that motion and one thing i learned, ive learned through the whole process is child matters. Its not about child matters. Its not about the mother. Its not about the father. Thats what i say , of father. Thats what i say, of course, because my kids , you course, because my kids, you know, im not with the dads of my children, but i make sure 100 that those people are in their lives because they wont thank me. But thats thats a an amazing woman. They have to have. Dad important i but buti but i grew up my mum and dad are childhood sweethearts. Mum and like all ive ever wanted in life, i look at my mum and dad and im like, i want that. And im just like, i want that. And like, you know, like my dad turned 70 the other day and theyve since they turned 70 the other day and they like since they turned 70 the other day and they like 15 since they turned 70 the other day and they like 15 years since they turned 70 the other day and they like 15 years old. Since they turned 70 the other day and they like 15 years old. Ande they turned 70 the other day and they like 15 years old. And imey were like 15 years old. And im sure theyve had their ups and downs, but theyve worked. But thats seen in my thats all ive ever seen in my life. My little girl. Ill get 50, and ive got life. My little girl. Ill get 50, little and ive got life. My little girl. Ill get 50, little boy and ive got life. My little girl. Ill get 50, little boy andi ive got life. My little girl. Ill get 50, little boy and that ive got life. My little girl. Ill get 50, little boy and that is ve got my little boy and that is everything. So ive always looked at my dad and thats my experiences. So i was trying and neven experiences. So i was trying and never, ever be little. No one or anything like that. You like you said and thats what its all about. Nana what have you learnt . Child comes first, absolutely not about me. Not about if ive had a bad day. You always make time. And this is through this experience. Audience is what has experience. Audience is what has happened. Youre in a good happened. Well youre in a good place now. She comes boxing with me everything. Place now. She comes boxing with me lovely. Erything. Place now. She comes boxing with me lovely. Shes1g. Place now. She comes boxing with me lovely. Shes got boxing. Lovely. Shes got boxing. Youre good place. Youve youre in a good place. Youve got a partner now and everything. Got a partner now and everyth really , really and im really, really happy. And lets totally honest. Like, lets be totally honest. Like, you know, thats person that you know, thats the person that should down the should have walked down the aisle. And aisle. Yeah, you know, and its really. Really weird. Really. Its really weird. Youre no, it youre not married yet. No, it scares me. Scares me. But youve just heard it from him that should have him first. That he should have walked the line. And walked you down the line. And he will soon. Go. Will do soon. There you go. Well, people want to well, listen, if people want to find about what youre find out more about what youre doing, are you anything in the. Yeah, weve just come back from weve had a from germany. Weve just had a professional germany. Professional fight in germany. Im fighting in november. Im fighting again in november. So weve got lots of other things pipeline things in the pipeline which im not allowed to talk about at the minute, you know, for minute, but its, you know, for everything these everything, for all these opportunities, amazing opportunities, its been amazing. Were were. And obviously were were looking for a title next year. Looking for a title next year. And jake, paul comes down. Thank you very much for joining me. Thank you so much for having me. Nana that is really, really good judgement. Jardine yes, right. Well, listen, just in, listen, if you just tuned in, welcome on has just gone welcome on board has just gone 21 5 00, still 21 minutes after 5 00, but still to come, labour reportedly to come, labour are reportedly planning to give drivers cash to buy cars to in order to buy electric cars to in order to keep the original 2030 ban of the new sale of new petrol and diesel cars. And this all comes diesel cars. And this all comes as rishi sunak recently rowed back on initial net zero back on his initial net zero policy. So would you be on board with starmers plan to ban petrol and by do you and diesel cars by 2030 . Do you want car . Well, ill get want a leaky car . Well, ill get all of your views. Keep them coming. Gb views gbnews. Com. Sundays on gb news with me, Michael Portillo gb news britains new. Channel britains new. Channel welcome aboard. If youve welcome aboard. If youve just tuned in, this is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Dont forget as well. You can stream the show live on youtube. Im nana akua and its time for the Great British debate. This hour and im asking Suella Braverman that migrant braverman saying is that migrant crossings an invasion. Crossings are an invasion. But do agree with her wording do you agree with her wording more half of britains back more than half of britains back the home secretary has choice of words used to describe the arrival of 109,000 Illegal Migrants via small boats since 2018. That is according to a poll of nearly 2000 people. In addition , the survey by people addition, the survey by people polling found that an ovennhelming 52 of the public believe that channel migrants should be considered a security threat, whereas only 20 did not believe they represented a threat at all. So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking Suella Braverman says, that migrant crossings are an invasion. Do you agree with her . Invasion. Do you agree with her . Now im joined by nigel nelson , now im joined by nigel nelson, gb news, senior political commentator and also stephen woolf, director for the centre of migration and economic policy. Okay. Im going to start with you, nigel. Nigel yeah, im here. Yeah. Yeah. Do you agree with that . Do you agree with that . Oh, sorry. I thought. I thought i was going to get a question. No question that ive done the question. Im just saying. No, no, i dont. Think the, the i think that the, the language that Suella Braverman has is unnecessarily has been using is unnecessarily inflammatory. When she talks about invasions, that gives the idea of some kind of military attack, which its not. When she talks about hurricanes, she suggests that its all coming our way, which again, its not if theres any hurricane in migration, its going around the world. And so the language is really bad, even illegal Illegal Migrants is the wrong language that the official term is unregulated migrants. And thats unregulated migrants. And thats the term the home office used , the term the home office used, is this is just one for politicians. Politicians. But but shes i mean , look, i but but shes i mean, look, i dont think theres anything wrong with the word invasion. Lets see an invasion. Insurgents invading a Country Region with an armed force. Yes. Thatis region with an armed force. Yes. That is true. But there are lots of definitions of the word invasion that dont necessarily involve precision. Involve a military precision. Stephen. Stephen, what do you think . Well i look across history when youre looking at the impact of immigration to the United Kingdom. United kingdom. When the romans came here, they invaded us with an army of around 20,000 people. When the normans invaded the england they came with between five and 7000. When the germans planned to invade the United Kingdom, they looked at around 100,000. So the context there in terms of military is large numbers of people trying to come into the United Kingdom because they wanted to take us over. So in that context , i they wanted to take us over. So in that context, i cant agree with Suella Braverman in suggesting that these people want to take us over. But if youre looking at the numbers, then clearly when were looking at over 1 numbers, then clearly when were looking at over1 Million People since 2000, ive claimed asylum in this country, weve had 190,000 in the last few years. These are huge numbers coming over and your correspondent is wrong to say that the government uses the phrase unregulated. Uses the phrase unregulated. Its irregular migration , its irregular migration, illegal migration is actually the Legal Definition. The Legal Definition. When somebody comes into the United Kingdom, when they dont allow or have a reason to come here legally, that is , as an here legally, that is, as an immigration barrister , i know immigration barrister, i know that its only when they claim asylum do they start to become legal. And so we have to look at those definitions very clearly. I think she needs to really be careful about the language because what it does, it simply hands us over to the left and those who disagree with her, a weapon to say shes racist. And this is damaging, choose your words wisely if you want to deal with the issue properly. With the issue properly. But, stephen, this is a this is a Legal Definition of invading. It says trespass , not invading. It says trespass, not encroach, infringe , invade, mean encroach, infringe, invade, mean to make inroads upon the property territory or rights of another trespass implies an unwarranted or unlawful intrusion. Whats wrong with her using that word . Im just not sure why she should be, you know. Well im saying its understandable if you want to look at it in terms of ordinary citizens understanding that language. I get it. I get it. But the point is, shes a politician who tries to kind of define where we want to be in this debate. And the debate is this debate. And the debate is very clear. Most people want to see irregular and unlawful migration dealt with swiftly. They want to see asylum applicants only for those who are genuine asylum seekers. Are genuine asylum seekers. And what they need is a home secretary and a government that is willing to deal with it all she does when using language that can be used as inflammatory by those on the left is she hands them a weapon than hands them a weapon rather than simply saying, hands them a weapon rather than simply saying , lets deal with simply saying, lets deal with it properly and i believe she doesit it properly and i believe she does it that way , then shell does it that way, then shell have more people on her side and less attacks from the left. But but dont you think that shes waiting shes theyre actually waiting for . I mean, look, for something . I mean, look, nigel, she says, nigel, whatever she says, theyll something because theyll find something because theyll find something because they dont. Theyre just trying to weaponize her words. I mean, shes well, i mean, shes weaponizing the words. And this is that dont use them is the point that dont use them as weapons. That if youre trying to sort out out a way of stopping the boats and the one thing that we all agree on is that the boat should be stopped. That the boat should be stopped. But the but but then to try and rage people up to it, it encourages hatred. I think. And encourages hatred. I think. And i dont think its necessarily racist what she is doing. But i racist what she is doing. But i do think that it means that the British Public have a kind of response to it, that somehow now weve got an influx of people we dont want. And i think that dont want. And i think that that to go on what stephen was saying almost like, yes, theyre trying to take us over or Something Like that, none of which is true. But what about lampedusa reza then that italian island that ended up with more migrants than the actual population themselves . Nigel i mean, what would you call that then . Well i mean, not invasion. Mean, not an invasion. These were i mean, these these were these were people turning on these were people turning up on these were people turning up on the shores. And yes, that if you the shores. And yes, that if you havent got the infrastructure to deal with it, it becomes an impossible problem. But what impossible problem. But what Suella Braverman is not doing is trying to solve the issue. Two trying to solve the issue. Two of the small boats and the best way to do that would be to change the asylum system. So you dont encourage people to cross the channel because they have to claim asylum on british soil. Well, thats what they think. Nigel nelson, thank you very much. His gb news senior political and political commentator and stephen director the stephen woolf, director for the centre for migration and economic you economic prosperity. Thank you for. Well, what do for your thoughts. Well, what do you at home . Was she wrong you think at home . Was she wrong to word invasion . Im to use the word invasion . Im sorry, dont theres sorry, but i dont think theres anything im anything wrong with it. Im sorry to but im inclined sorry to say, but im inclined to with its coming sorry to say, but im inclined to to with its coming sorry to say, but im inclined to to 32 with its coming sorry to say, but im inclined to to 32 minutes its coming sorry to say, but im inclined to to 32 minutes after� oming sorry to say, but im inclined to to 32 minutes after 5 00. ] sorry to say, but im inclined to to 32 minutes after 5 00. Im up to 32 minutes after 5 00. Im nana akua. This is gb news on tv, online and Digital Radio. Tv, online and on Digital Radio. Coming continue with coming up, well continue with the Great British this the Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour. Suella hour. And im asking Suella Braverman migrant crossings braverman says migrant crossings are. You agree are an invasion. Do you agree with wording . Youll hear with her wording . Youll hear the panel. Former the thoughts of my panel. Former labour matthew also labour adviser matthew laza also broadcast from journalist danny kelly. Lets get you kelly. But first, lets get you latest News Headlines with. Lisa latest News Headlines with. Lisa its 532. Im lisa hartl in the newsroom. Gaza has been hit the newsroom. Gaza has been hit by a fresh wave of airstrikes. A by a fresh wave of airstrikes. A number of explosions have been seen after israel warned residents to leave the area. Leaflets were dropped in the north of the strip, saying if they stayed there, life was in danger and they may be identified terrorists. Identified as terrorists. 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She says that migrant crossings are an invasion, but do you agree with her language . Lets see what my panel make of that. Im joined by former labour adviser matthew laza , also broadcaster and laza, also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. Matthew laza an invasion. Laza an invasion. I can see why people think that. I think its an unfortunate choice of words from the home secretary i think that we need to try and be measured in the language we have, and i also think that the real reason is that shes shes made us on language is because shes failed on principal job, which is language is because shes failed on stop principal job, which is language is because shes failed on stop the cipal job, which is language is because shes failed on stop the small b, which is language is because shes failed onstop the small boats. Ch is language is because shes failed on stop the small boats. The; to stop the small boats. The tories havent stopped the small boats. Higher tories havent stopped the small boats ever. Higher tories havent stopped the small boatsever. And higher tories havent stopped the small boatsever. And the higher tories havent stopped the small boatsever. And the backlog her tories havent stopped the small boatsever. And the backlog gets than ever. And the backlog gets ever longer of people whose applications be applications need to be processed. Say suella, processed. So id say suella, you , stop trying to make you know, stop trying to make headunes you know, stop trying to make headlines with language and start headlines by start making headlines by actually sorting the problem. Think, that a lot you think, though, that a lot of leaning people who of these left leaning people who complained about the word invasion about invasion would be speaking about the and all the other the word jihad and all the other words . I mean, think there words . I mean, i think there seem a silent on that. I think i think my side of the argument shouldnt get hung up language. They up on the language. They shouldnt language shouldnt make the language the biggest they biggest issue. You know, they shouldnt that. Shouldnt sort of distract that. They what they should be they should. What they should be focusing on, as suella focusing on, just as suella should on sorting should be focusing on sorting the know, the the problem, the, you know, the labour the left should the problem, the, you know, the lalfocusing the left should the problem, the, you know, the lalfocusing on the left should the problem, the, you know, the lalfocusing on highlightinglould the problem, the, you know, the lalfocusing on highlighting how be focusing on highlighting how she hasnt sorted problem. Be focusing on highlighting how she butsnt sorted problem. Be focusing on highlighting how she but surelyted problem. Be focusing on highlighting how shebut surelyted languagen. Be focusing on highlighting how shebut surelyted language is but surely that language is actually sound like actually making it sound like shes taking it seriously . Danny shes doing anything. Shes taking it seriously . Danny shesdisagree. G anything. Shes taking it seriously . Danny shesdisagree. I anything. Shes taking it seriously . Danny shesdisagree. I thinking. Shes taking it seriously . Danny shesdisagree. I thinkingyou i disagree. I think if you ask average man woman on ask the average man and woman on the street part of the vernacular, if you ask them to define and understand define and i understand the there are less violent definitions invasion, i definitions of invasion, but i think there connotations. Think there are connotations. Nafions think there are connotations. Nations violent with nations that are violent with invasion. You think of a home invasion. You think of a home invasion. Thats what the yanks invasion. Thats what the yanks call birth glory. So im sorry, nana locking horns on something. Nana locking horns on something. So. So i think that for the home secretary to use those words. So you agree with matthew . I agree. You agree with matthew . I agree. I think its to the left of me on this one. Im not i just dont to on no, i just dont see the point of why she used the language. It would be better off if she didnt use the language associated with violence in my opinion. So you think thats why i think ill give you the dictionary definition, because obviously associated obviously no jihad is associated with the river with violence during the river to the sea. With violence during the river to tthese|. Associated with these are associated with violence. Read a violence. Let me read you in a definition invasion trust definition of invasion trust pass. This is a Legal Definition. Trespass pass, encroach , infringe, invade mean encroach, infringe, invade mean to make inroads into the property territory or rights of other trespass implies an unwarranted or unlawful intrusion. You are using the gary lineker defence by by not. Actually, im just going to duck here for a minute. Im just reading you a dictionary definition of invasion and that i agree invasion and saying that i agree that wording was fine that her wording was fine because that definition there because on that definition there thatis because on that definition there that is all the things that somebody who comes your somebody who comes to your country doing. Somebody who comes to your coqury doing. Somebody who comes to your coqu we doing. Somebody who comes to your coqu we pursue doing. Somebody who comes to your coqu we pursue yourying. Somebody who comes to your coqu we pursue your logic, we if we pursue your logic, we are going have logic. Are going to have logic. Definition. So im thats my definition. So im agreeing we agreeing that what issue that we are have to go onto are now going to have to go onto google and get a dictionary definition she utters. Why . Why . Why . Because. Because youre doing it with the word invasion, there may be different connotations. May be different connotations. Im just simply agreeing with her read her and having read the definition, with even definition, i agree with it even more. Really dont see more. And i really dont see what big deal is where what the big deal is where people focussed on people seem to be so focussed on the for a word that is the language for a word that is actually that that has a meaning as what she when as to what she says when actually issue the actually the issue is the migrant crossing. The thing is its i think the thing is its about shes right about being i think shes right about being i think shes right about the thing about it. I think the thing is that think invaded that people think you invaded that people think you invaded thatis that people think you invaded that is the dictionary definition. As youve read out. I most often used as i think it is most often used as a armies. Isnt it about being invaded by a foreign power . And i think thats connotation i think thats the connotation that difficult. That people find difficult. People a far the people are coming from a far the biggest biggest do biggest the biggest thing to do is problem out. You is sort the problem out. You know, less bothered about know, im less bothered about the and more the language and im more bothered fact theres bothered about the fact theres 150,000 cases who are 150,000 migrants cases who are stacking are hotels stacking up. There are Hotels Across the country, which is costing its six, seven, £8 costing us. Its six, seven, £8 million figure seems million a day. The figure seems to going up on almost to keep going up on an almost daily basis. And weve had 100,000 people come in, small boats. Boats. The normal the members of. Thats not the problem. No. I think the members of the public would i reckon would actually agree. I reckon that most people would say that that most people would say that that it does like the that is it does feel like the place invaded. I think place is being invaded. I think shes think feel shes i dont think she feel like what, i dont like i tell you what, i dont think wrong saying think shes wrong in saying that there areas good point. There are areas a good point. Are areas of liverpool. There are areas of liverpool. Im scouser, ive travelled 96 im a scouser, ive travelled 96 miles but im miles from the midlands, but im a the 96 miles back. A scouser the 96 miles back. Hopefully the hopefully ill make it back the rear liverpool that are rear areas of liverpool that are unrecognisable recent unrecognisable due to recent mass immigration, completely unrecognisable where there have been people who have, who have, who moved out. Okay, now who have moved out. Okay, now theyve been replaced by people who necessarily have different theyve been replaced by people who nnsystems, have different theyve been replaced by people who nnsystems, differentferent belief systems, different religions, and there are conflicts already. And we need to understand. Now, if i was to to understand. Now, if i was to ask a scouser in kensington, the suburb of liverpool , how do you suburb of liverpool, how do you feel like youve been invaded . He would probably say yes he or she would probably say yes. Now the that i havent. Now the fact that i havent got personal experience with got any personal experience with this, unquote invasion led this, quote unquote invasion led me to my response earlier on. So you go to liverpool, you go to areas of coventry, birmingham, where streets are unrecognisable as to as to what they were like 5 or 6 years ago. And you ask the average brummie, do you feel like its an invasion . And he or she would look around and they would you to to would just point you to the to the yeah, the demographic and say, yeah, it invasion. It feels like an invasion. So, so my point is that so, so, so my point is that its not it doesnt mean that youre being rude about the people who are coming from another place. You just another place. You are just being about you see. Being honest about what you see. And those people who live on and for those people who live on the boats the kent coast, having boats constantly in now constantly coming in now that would like an invasion. So would feel like an invasion. So ijust would feel like an invasion. So i just think that shes right. Shes language that shes using the language that the people who are dealing with it actually facing. Thats it are actually facing. Thats what shes talking about. But shes not dealing with the problem. Thats the thats the issue. Im not going argue with im not going to argue with that. Worries me. Im not going to argue with tha no, worries me. Im not going to argue with tha no, were worries me. Im not going to argue with tha no, were not. Norries me. Im not going to argue with tha no, were not. Were; me. Im not going to argue with tha no, were not. Were talking no, were not. Were talking about she right to use the about is she right to use the word i think can about is she right to use the w0|agree i think can about is she right to use the w0|agree that i think can about is she right to use the w0|agree that thingsk can about is she right to use the w0|agree that things need can about is she right to use the w0|agree that things need t0| about is she right to use the w0|agree that things need to be all agree that things need to be changed. Still remove changed. I still cant remove myself the violent myself from from the violent connotation with the word invasion. I take you to invasion. Okay. So i take you to the liverpool. Do you invasion. Okay. So i take you to the like liverpool. Do you invasion. Okay. So i take you to the like its liverpool. Do you invasion. Okay. So i take you to the like its an verpool. Do you invasion. Okay. So i take you to the like its an invasion . Io you invasion. Okay. So i take you to the like its an invasion . They| feel like its an invasion . They would there any would say yes. Are there any incidents of violence . And there maybe getting semantics maybe were getting semantics and disagreeing and were disagreeing with vernacular definitions. Vernacular and the definitions. Again to. Again we go back to. No, but but i but put it to no, but but i but i put it to you, though, that are you, though, that if you are around those areas where this influx is happening, thats what it will feel like to you. Yeah. So she is using the language that people there that those people who are there can very well. For can identify so very well. For gary lineker living his, you gary lineker living in his, you know, it in his know, wherever it is in his ivory talking about it. Ivory tower talking about it. This is an invasion because he has no experience but has no experience of it. But if you area, having to you were in that area, having to deal that problem, you deal with that problem, you would you should have would feel that you should have qualified it. Should have said, then she should have said, no, didnt. She have no, she didnt. She should have said are of said there are areas of liverpool, areas liverpool, there are areas of birmingham, the south coast. I think youre right in the sense that if you are in the south coast it does, which obviously britains obviously is britains was britains of defence britains first line of defence in war into in the Second World War is into the psyche kind the National Psyche as the kind of barrier between us and historically enemies then historically our enemies then and you have people coming over and you have people coming over and know, you as and you know, you you know, as nigel farage has done all those pictures, you people just pictures, you have people just randomly wandering around beaches. It can feel beaches. I see it can feel like that. I though, she that. I think, though, she should tone the should she should tone, tone the language unless shes going language down unless shes going to up with some better to come up with some Better Solutions. To come up with some Better Solutions i i to come up with some Better Solutionsi i think she well, i think i think she should as sees it, should call it as she sees it, especially those who have to especially for those who have to deal i its deal with it. And i think its typical of champagne socialists to and of water down a to come and sort of water down a language have to language when they dont have to deal at all. Deal with the situation at all. Thats what i think this thats what i think with this show nothing without you and show is nothing without you and your views. Not dannys ever im not sure dannys ever been socialist been a champagne socialist before. Thats before. Its a first. No, thats a compliment. A real compliment. That back. Lets a real compliment. What that back. Lets a real compliment. What thatiat back. Lets a real compliment. What that great k. Lets a real compliment. What that Great British; see what that Great British voices their voices think. Its their opportunity the show opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about topics were about the topics were discussing. Two of you. Discussing. Ive got two of you. I in middlesbrough and i gotjulie in middlesbrough and ive grimsby. Right. Ive got alan in grimsby. Right. Im with im going to start with you. Juue im going to start with you. Julie middlesbrough. What julie in middlesbrough. What do you julia. Julia, its julia. Julia, its julia. Yeah, i did. I corrected myself. Second time, julia ive got three reasons why i agree with with her. The first reason is if, if it was mainly women and children coming across the channel and coming across the channel and coming in illegally, theres no way in a million years anyone would see that as an invasion because its women and children. Because its women and children. And what weve got instead, though, is working age, fighting age all. So its the sheer age men, all. So its the sheer speed at which this is happening. I live in a very multicultural area and i am exactly in agreement with you when you say it to me personally, it does feel like an invasion. My whole lifes changed where i grew up and where i live is totally different to what it was when i was younger. And instead of mixing with the cultures were living parallel alongside each other because of the sheer speed that at which this has all happened. And also when you look at the likes of sweden , i worry at the likes of sweden, i worry that that might happen here and well end up with civil unrest on the streets because of it, because of the speed, because theyre men and because theyre all men and because were having undergone significant changes for us to all integrate properly. Thats what i think. So, yes, i do agree with that. Wow. Well she said it like you, julia. There wouldnt have been a problem at all. Should be home secretary. You should be home secretary. You should be home secretary. You should be home secretary. You should be home secretary. Crikey that was good. Absolutely. In absolutely. Alan mcneely in grimsby, to say . Grimsby, whats he got to say . Its a tough act follow. All its a tough act to follow. All good anneliese. Its a tough act to follow. All goc good anneliese. Its a tough act to follow. All goc good afternoon, e. Its a tough act to follow. All goc good afternoon, nana. I its a tough act to follow. All gocgood afternoon, nana. I think good afternoon, nana. I think the home secretary absolutely the home secretary is absolutely spot on. Its what the average person thinks and sees. If you have hundreds of young men turning up on your beaches day after after day , what else after day after day, what else would you call it . But an invasion . And it is. These invasion . And it is. These people are coming here uninvited and theyre entering the country illegally. Whether they should illegally. Whether they should be here or not is then got to be determined. But it can be seen determined. But it can be seen as nothing else than an invasion. And those people and im afraid all your guests on today who are all saying, oh, this is terribly shocking language, the home secretary is telling it like it is, and shes telling it like it is, and shes telling it like it is, and shes telling it in the way that people see it. So they can play with the semantics. But the with the semantics. But the reality is that every day we have hundreds of these people showing up on the on the coast being spread throughout the country. And the lady thats on with me is absolutely right. The impact on the society is in which people live is absolutely dramatic. You wouldnt recognise some of the places that you know in the country now have changed dramatically in the last probably 15 years. Well, thats been well, thats the problem. Its not managed properly or done well, then it creates upset and anger and it creates tension. Thats why shes calling it out. And i agree with you guys. Thank you very much, alan, lady and julia, there you go. Take care. Those are my go. Take care. Those are my Great British voices. Fabulous. Well, listen , moving on to well, listen, moving on to another story that caught my eye today. Is today. The labour party is reportedly to give reportedly planning to give drivers Cash Incentives to buy electric they literally electric cars. They literally cant sell them. Theyve got to give away. Thats right. To give them away. Thats right. To keep original 2030 ban on keep the original 2030 ban on the on the new petrol keep the original 2030 ban on the diesel new petrol keep the original 2030 ban on the diesel cars new petrol keep the original 2030 ban on the diesel cars going. V petrol keep the original 2030 ban on the diesel cars going. Now, l keep the original 2030 ban on the diesel cars going. Now, this and diesel cars going. Now, this comes after sunak recently rolled back on these net zero policies and got a little bit of a so what think . A bounce. So what do you think . Are board with his plan . Are you on board with his plan . Im to with you, im going to start with you, danny kelly. Here £1,500 ive just i read here £1,500 incentive. Listen if youre going to need £1,500 loan in going to need a £1,500 loan in order buy a 30 grand car, order to buy a 30 grand car, youre not in the market to buy a grand youre 28,500 a 30 grand car. Youre 28,500 pounds short. Hes giving you 1500 nicker. You cant afford it. About 15. Its true, because you cant afford it. You wont have somewhere to park with the ulez grant as well london for ulez grant as well in london for the the grants for things the for the grants for things that had to put that 15,000 that they had to put them up. The best thing that listen, the best thing that rishi has done all year is rishi sunak has done all year is aligning ourselves with the 2035 petrol ban in europe and 2035 yean now, keir starmer wants to bnng now, keir starmer wants to bring it back to 2030. Look, as you know, i have an interest in used cars. Thats my business andits used cars. Thats my business and its just universally unpopular. Yeah. Quickly to you, matthew laza. Then well go to your supplement. I think. Look, i think the issue is, is that we are electric coming. We electric cars are coming. We cant hold back the tide. Its a its a global thing. I think as its a global thing. I think as danny said , the difference in danny said, the difference in 2030 and 2035 when the rest of europe and remember all cars are made for europe. Theyre made on a european wide level. Even if we make them and sell them to europe or europe makes them and sells them to us. So i wouldnt die a ditch for 2030. But die in a ditch for 2030. But electric cars are coming. Think they need to well, i think they need to well, need to pile the well, they need to pile on the pylons dont they. Have you pylons and dont they. Have you got one. Will not got have you got one. I will not buy not not going buy one. Im not im not going to not doing it. No to do that. Im not doing it. No nice try. It didnt work. Right. Well, its now for well, listen, its time now for supplement a supplement sunday. This is a part the where panel part of the show where my panel and discuss some of the news and i discuss some of the news stories the eye. Im stories that caught the eye. Im going with you again, going to start with you again, danny, and meghan. Is danny, harry and meghan. Is it . Yeah. Look. Harry and yeah. Well, look. Harry and meghan, banging on about yeah. Well, look. Harry and megclimate, banging on about yeah. Well, look. Harry and megclimate, and banging on about yeah. Well, look. Harry and megclimate, and hereing on about yeah. Well, look. Harry and megclimate, and here theyn about yeah. Well, look. Harry and megclimate, and here they areyout yeah. Well, look. Harry and m a limate, and here they areyout yeah. Well, look. Harry and ma private and here they areyout yeah. Well, look. Harry and ma private jetd here they areyout yeah. Well, look. Harry and ma private jet jetting they areyout in a private jet jetting around the when alternative the world when the alternative to this, of course, is, are they going to get on a on a fly, what do they call british ainnays . I do they call british ainnays . I dont know. Easyjet. Yeah so they they went on i was on ryanair this week. I so they they went on i was on ryanairthis week. I didnt so they they went on i was on ryanair this week. I didnt see them in the row. And them in the row. Harry and meghan boarding used meghan speedy boarding used a Dassault Falcon seven next to fly from new jersey to canouan after attending a summit in new york. Look, it just does them no favours. Billionaires island as well. Billionaires island as well. Nobody does it does the message no favours. The optics are to stop the are terrible. Trying to stop the world boiling itself to death. And here they are on their private jet. Dassault falcon. Private jet. Dassault falcon. About offsetting they talk about offsetting their all know thats their carbon. We all know thats nonsense. What about you, matthew . A a sort of slightly on a on a sort of slightly lighter but also tragic lighter note, but also a tragic note, britains and note, the britains students and anybody been sick are note, the britains students and an mourning been sick are note, the britains students and an mourning this been sick are note, the britains students and an mourning this week en sick are note, the britains students and an mourning this week because re in mourning this week because the has announced go the bbc has announced theyll go to going to get to bbc again. Its going to get rid as daytime rid of doctors. As the daytime soap filmed in your backyard in birmingham. So key birmingham. Yeah. So the key thing is its promised its going money in going to spend the money in birmingham saves by birmingham that it saves by axing but, you know, axing doctors. But, you know, anybody ever been, anybody whos ever been, what are watch you are we going to watch now . You know, neighbours, now doctors. Think ill catch up on i think ill catch up on married at first sight series. A good thing. Apparently the british ones no this year. Daniel only no good this year. Daniel only watches one. Watches the australian one. Ones. Very no, the british ones. Very good. Oh, yes. Good. Oh. Oh, yes. Like the australian good. Oh. Oh, yes. Im like the australian good. Oh. Oh, yes. Im the e the australian good. Oh. Oh, yes. Im the australian. alian one . Im the australian. One fantastic. Yeah, the one is fantastic. Yeah, the british started off very, british one started off very, very it very cheap. Very badly. It was very cheap. They didnt have anybody with surgery in australia. Theyve all got their lips their all got their lips and their eyes and teeth done and now the british ones are doing, oh, honestly, shouldnt that, honestly, i shouldnt say that, but fantastic. I do love but it is fantastic. I do love it. Well lets have a look at my supplement now. One supplement now. This one is about hes actually about sadiq khan. Hes actually been racially been accused of racially charged a campaign his a Smear Campaign against his conservative whos conservative opponent, whos suzanne with a dedicated suzanne hall with a dedicated attack website claiming that she is prejudiced against black londoners. Wow now, labour party have targeted londoners with facebook and instagram adverts that describe susan hall as extreme. Um, and the adverts extreme. Um, and the adverts also claim that the tories have attempted to rig the Voting System. They have changed the Voting System , bridges and motonnays. System, bridges and motonnays. Look, i dont think its a great tactic to divide people and actually when sadiq was actually remember when sadiq was first elected, Zac Goldsmith was his opponent and he did a whole thing, which was to try and pitch muslim and hindu voters against other. And that against each other. And that didnt work. It was back when the tories did it. Labour should be of not doing the be careful of not doing the same, bad to same, but thats really bad to try against black londoners. Shes woman. Shes a lovely woman. Shes a lovely woman. Done, shes all shes done, all shes guilty a Public Meeting guilty of is at a Public Meeting at hall, she problems at city hall, she said problems with the black with crime within the black Community Something community is something that i have brought constantly. The have brought up constantly. The problem the minute we problem is, the minute we do, we are being racist. Are accused of being racist. Thats woman has said. Thats all the woman has said. Exactly what and thats exactly what theyve her theyve done. They accused her of in fact, of being racist. And in fact, she carnival dangerous, she said carnival was dangerous, which i wholeheartedly agree. I wrote daily mail wrote a piece in the daily mail about is about it because it is dangerous. The last time i went, i a cop branded i almost landed a cop branded on a vat of jerk chicken. Dont know it was a hot steel laughing. He laughed. That was an instant laugh. That would be heaven for me. That would be heaven for me. No drowning in hot chicken. What was chicken . Was it . No chicken . Almost no. Almost no. Almost i almost got stuck on the steel drum out outside. Steel drum out on the outside. I didnt even get in. I mean, theres quite a selection of what some people i mean, theres quite a selectisay f what some people i mean, theres quite a selectisay are hat some people i mean, theres quite a selectisay are cliches|e people i mean, theres quite a selectisay are cliches inpeople i mean, theres quite a selectisay are cliches in thatle sentence. It wasnt great. It wasnt great. It was pretty scary. Youre not doing a special from year. From carnival next year. Going ever im not going there ever again. I thought it was too scary. Listen, on todays scary. But listen, on todays show, you, have show, ive been asking you, have the they the bbc prejudiced . Have they been prejudiced in their reporting of Hamas Conflict . Reporting of the Hamas Conflict . And twitter and according to our twitter poll, that is huge. Poll, 82 of you that is huge. Say yes. Whilst only 13 of you say no, shocking results. But i agree. And nobody has to pay the licence fee. They do. We all do. Othennise youre jailed. Thank you so much to panel. Former laser to my panel. Former laser advisor laser laser advisor. Advisor matthew lala laser advisor matthew lala stick it out. Matthew laza. Thank you so much. And also in the hot seat today , broadcaster and today, broadcaster and journalist kelly. Thank journalist danny kelly. Thank you, danny. Thank you. Thank you. And huge thank you to and aslef a huge thank you to you home for your company. You at home for your company. Ill week. Same ill be back next week. Same time, ill leave you time, same place. Ill leave you with weather. Time, same place. Ill leave you witi hello neather. Time, same place. Ill leave you witihello there. R. Time, same place. Ill leave you witihello there. Welcome to your hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Im craig snell. Well, looking ahead to the forthcoming week and for most of us, unfortunately it is staying unsettled. Further spells of wind and rain to come. But for now, this area of low pressure, which has been responsible for the rainfall , has now the very heavy rainfall, has now cleared. Unfortunately , cleared. But unfortunately, further low pressure further areas of low pressure are waiting in the atlantic. But back to this evening, for most of us, it should be fairly dry of us, it should be a fairly dry and night. Perfect recipe and clear night. Perfect recipe for a chilly night. Actually especially scotland and especially for scotland and northern could see Northern England could see a widespread frost. And after the very weve had very wet weather, what weve had could see some icy stretches. So just do take care if you are out and about. We just see and about. We could just see a few showers for Northern Ireland may creep into parts of may just creep into parts of western too. But western cornwall, too. But elsewhere for a dry start to the day could just see a few mist and patches. First thing and fog patches. First thing too. Its going to too. But really its going to set for largely dry set us up for a largely dry picture. The sunshine as picture. Best of the sunshine as we go through the course of the day will be across parts of scotland Northern England. Scotland and Northern England. Still some just still the risk of some rain just moving into northern and moving into Northern Ireland and the cornwall at the far west of cornwall at times. And for most of us, temperatures very similar to recent days, tens to twelves in the north, potentially up to 15 to 16 degrees in the south, looking ahead to tuesday, band looking ahead to tuesday, a band of rain will spread its way northwards during the of northwards during the course of the affair the day. So fairly wet affair for a good chunk of the uk potentially staying dry for most of day in scotland. But of the day in scotland. But unfortunately, middle of the week stays fairly unsettled for all of us im lisa hartle is and how they are operating and using them. So were confident we have good intelligence. But the realm of warfare is the its not the known knowns. Its the unknowns. Known knowns. Its the unknowns. Unknown knowns. So we know that we have a brutal enemy. We dont know exactly what theyre doing. Know exactly what theyre doing. We have a good grasp of their operational capabilities and we need to confront that. And remove that as if it was a tumour. Tumour. Former head of the Palestinian Diplomatic Mission to the uk, Manuel Hassassian, says he Still Believes in a two state solution, even dont try to put us, you know, all in a frame that we are terrorists as palestinians. Palestinians. There is a difference between the Palestinian People who want peace and security and there is a difference between the Palestinian Authority , which is Palestinian Authority, which is the legitimate, legitimate represent relative of the Palestinian People who believe in a two state solution, who have condemned violence all along. The