Middlehurst for tonights latest headlines. Michelle thank you. Headlines. Michelle thank you. Good evening to you. Well downing street today confirmed 12 british citizens were killed dunng 12 british citizens were killed during the hamas terror attack in israel. Another five remain missing and that comes after an 85 year old israeli hostage released by hamas last night described the hell have been taken into what seemed like a spider web of tunnels under gaza. York covid also said she was treated well and seen by a doctor during her ordeal. Hamas doctor during her ordeal. Hamas say she was returned along with another female israeli , nurit another female israeli, nurit cooper on humanitarian grounds. Their husbands, though , are their husbands, though, are still being held hostage as well. Javids daughter, sharon , well. Javids daughter, sharon, whos a british citizen, translated her mothers description of her abduction dunng description of her abduction during a News Conference earlier i my mum is saying that she was taken on the back of a motorbike with her body, with her legs on one side and a hide on another side that she was taken through the ploughed field with the men in front on one side and a man behind her, and that while she was being taken, she was hit by sticks by shabab. Shabab yeah, shabab people. Al qaeda until shabab people. Al qaeda until they reach the tunnel there. They reach the tunnel there. They walked for a few kilometres on the wet ground. Publish my on the wet ground. Publish my name later. There are a on the wet ground. Publish my name later. There are a huge , name later. There are a huge, huge network of tunnels underneath it looks like a spider web. Well in a new spider web. Well in a new development this evening, the Israeli Security agency has released full of interviews with captured hamas fighters. Captured hamas fighters. One of them says they were promised huge rewards for capturing hostages during their attack on israel on october the 7th. The in gaza, whoever brings the kidnapped gets a bonus. The kidnapped gets a bonus. How much is the bonus they give an apartment and 10,000 for each person captured . Yes. Yes. Yes. Who told you this . Who told you this . Thats how it works in al qassam brigade. The commander told you this . Yes. Yes. The company commander. The company commander. Each captured, you get an apartment . Yes. Because they wanted as many kidnapped as possible. The many kidnapped as possible. The goal our infiltration for goal of our infiltration for them was to capture and kidnap as many we could. As many as we could. Well, that comes as Central Israel has faced its largest rocket barrage since the attacks of october the 7th. Local media is reporting tonight that multiple rockets fired from gaza were successfully intercepted over tel aviv and thats after israels Prime Minister said hamas must be destroyed at the same time warning the war may take some time. In addition to that, the Palestinian Health ministry has said today more than 700 people were killed in the last 24 hours, bringing their total to nearly 5800. Israels Prime Minister has also said today after the war, though, no one will live under the tyranny of hamas. The tyranny of hamas. We are doing everything we need to do to destroy hamas in gaza. Need to do to destroy hamas in gaza. We will dismantle its gaza. We will dismantle its terror machine. We will dismantle its political structure. We will make every effort to release our hostages and will make every effort to keep Palestinian Civilians out of harms way. Its important to understand hamas is committing a double war crime. Its not only double war crime. Its not only murdering our civilians , murdering our civilians, targeting our civilians, doing unspeakable war crimes. Theyre also hiding behind civilians , also hiding behind civilians, their own civilians. Their own civilians. Benjamin netanyahu speaking there. Now in news here at home, there. Now in news here at home, the number of hotels being used by the government to house Asylum Seekers is now being reduced. The immigration reduced. The immigration minister confirmed today 50 will be exited their words by january and that process will begin in the coming days. The government hopes the move will alleviate some of the public anger over the small boat crisis and the daily cost of hotels, which has hit £8 million a day. Robert jenrick spoke in the commons earlier on. These hotels should be assets for their local communities serving businesses and tourists , serving businesses and tourists, hosting the life events that we treasure, like weddings and birthdays is not housing Illegal Migrants at unsustainable cost to the taxpayer. So we took immediate action a year ago to reduce our reliance on hotels as we significantly increase the amount of dispersed accommodation and have increased funding for local councils. We reformed the management of the existing estate Robert Jenrick now a man who died after his car was swept away in water near aberdeenshire during storm babet , has been named as peter pelling. Meanwhile, two women who died in a crash have also been named by police. Today, cheryl woods and sarah smith from caerphilly. And sarah smith from caerphilly. The mother and daughter were involved in a five vehicle collision on the m4 last friday. Well, the met office is warning of more bad weather to come this evening with a yellow weather warning now in place. An alert for heavy rain and thats been issued for the south east of england from now until 10 00 tomorrow morning. Well keep you up to date on the effects of possible flooding across the uk on that one right here, gb news. Across the uk on tv in your car. On Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is gb news, britains news. This is gb news, britains news channel. News channel. Thanks for that, polly. Our Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight alongside me. Till then, Communications Officer at then, Communications Officer at the institute for Economic Affairs reem ibrahim and the former editor of labourlist , former editor of labourlist, peter edwards. Good evening to both of you. You know the drill, dont you, as well, on this programme. Its very much about you guys at home as well. What is on your mind tonight . 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Anyway top stowell, been hearing my programme tonight. Anyway top stowell, the been hearing my programme tonight. Anyway top stowell, the tory been hearing my programme tonight. Anyway top stowell, the tory brexiteering as well, the tory brexiteer quite a prominent brexiteer. Many you will remember, of many of you will remember, of course, baker , he has course, steve baker, he has claimed now that perhaps brexit should not have been allowed to happen the way it did. I mean, were all familiar by now with the statistics , arent we . 48 the statistics, arent we . 48 versus 52. He is suggesting, looking back all mr eyed with hindsight, saying perhaps they should have been a super majority so called of 60 in order for it to have passed. Order for it to have passed. What do you make to that . And also, if you ask someone thats shouting, yes. At your shouting, yes. At your television set, does that mean then future then that for every future referendum , 60 is the threshold referendum, 60 is the threshold . And you tell me, ryan, whats your thoughts on it all . Yes. Well, i suspect that steve baker sort of said this as a result of his opinions on the constitution. He sort of believes , as he sort of believes, as i think in in democracy and believes that ultimately individuals should be able to make those choices themselves. Make those choices themselves. He is, however, very much so understood about the impact of brexit and the positive impacts of brexit. Ultimately, brexit has allowed us to open up to free trade. We have non tariff free trade. We have non tariff and no and no quotas with trade, with the eu and much to the obfs with the eu and much to the obrs surprise , actually brexit obrs surprise, actually brexit has actually resulted and yielded some very positive impacts constitutionally , i impacts constitutionally, i dont think that we should be saying that we need a supermajority in referenda superm ajority in referenda because supermajority in referenda because ultimately what that would mean is with the brexit referendum, it would favour the remain we didnt have this remain and we didnt have this kind referendum when we kind of referendum when we entered lisbon treaty. Entered into the lisbon treaty. I dont think that we need to be requiring two thirds of the country to agree with something. I we need a simple majority. M ajority. Majority. Yeah, and i mean, its interesting that you say that it wouldnt happened because wouldnt have happened because it have happened it wouldnt have happened with the the way the turnout on the votes the way that were. Would be that they were. But i would be intrigued if people knew. Right. Is 60 turnout, perhaps some of those home voters they those stay at home voters they might compelled might have been more compelled to and maybe that 60 to turn out and maybe that 60 may have been reached. Who knows how . A wonderful , how . Hindsight is a wonderful, fascinating thing. Where are you on it, peter . With steve baker. For those who know him, he was one of the chief instigators successive chief instigators for successive Prime Ministers causing them problem problem problem after problem Prime Ministers on own side. And ministers on his own side. And hes someone who talks hes also someone who talks openly about his christian faith, which is quite unusual. And hes hes shown moments of regret about how much he pushed his government and how hard and how many splits he caused with some very tough rhetoric. So hes very honest in some ways. But in other ways, you have to look why hes suggesting this. Now brexit cause has now when the brexit cause has won, the brexit vote, it potentially locks it in for generations, makes it harder for those on the Opposing Side to have another referendum and win it. So i credit him for candour, but you have to look under the bonnet as to why hes suggesting this so your suspicion is that you think perhaps if there were to be a rejoin Eu Referendum , to be a rejoin Eu Referendum, um, youd think then that people would then be arguing for the threshold to be higher. Yeah, threshold to be higher. Yeah, im not predicting that and im not demanding that, i keep not demanding that, but i keep saying, i think weve saying, you know, i think weve had two referenda about 40 years apart. Might another apart. So there might be another one lifetime. Um, but, but one in my lifetime. Um, but, but i dont think were talking about thats to about something thats going to happen next decade. Happen in the next decade. And of course the yeah. And of course hes the Northern Ireland minister now, yeah. And of course hes the no people reland minister now, yeah. And of course hes the no people rela talking ster now, yeah. And of course hes the no people rela talking about w, so people are talking about potential, you know, should there referenda, um, there ever be a referenda, um, when say irish when it comes to say irish unification would then a supermajority be imposed supermajority need to be imposed on that . This is the thing on that . If this is the thing that steve baker is suggesting now. Yeah i as Northern Ireland i mean, as Northern Ireland minister over the past year, he has overseen some of the most difficult relations difficult sort of relations within Northern Ireland. Hes overseen the way in which the implementation of that deal of this brexit deal has occurred in many ways. You know, giving Northern Ireland this kind of uncertainty over the past few years has been a very , very years has been a very, very difficult decision for the government. One that i didnt support. I do think that steve has sort of seen that as a result of , you know, his time as result of, you know, his time as a junior minister and also overseeing these kind of relationships be overseen. I do think , however, when it comes to think, however, when it comes to superman priorities, effectively what that would do is it would favour the existing rule. So because we were in the European Union requiring a supermajority, favours remain and i think thats wrong to you. Thats wrong to you. We had conversations. There was a couple of by elections, as most people remember a few days ago, and there was lots of talk about turnout , but not only about turnout, but not only turnout , about turnout, but not only turnout, but one of the about turnout, but not only turnout , but one of the seats at turnout, but one of the seats at least was one with like a third of the vote or something. And some and i think some of my viewers and i think even 1 or 2 of my Panel Members since then suggested that since then have suggested that could there be like a threshold when it comes to, you know, youve these by election when it comes to, you know, youvand these by election when it comes to, you know, youvand � reallny election when it comes to, you know, youvand really mostection when it comes to, you know, youv and really most ofion when it comes to, you know, youv and really most of the wins and if really most of the people like really most of the people like really most of the people are staying at home, not even bothering to turn out, should that election therefore be so these are be null and void. So these are thresholds about thresholds were talking about them referendums. What them with referendums. What about by elections or even general elections . General elections . Cuz im very sceptical about that because think reform that because i think any reform that because i think any reform that it harder for elected that makes it harder for elected heads to have their voices heard would be hard to justify and itd be very unpopular to. And i know youre not necessarily suggesting this, but but look at america. I think it was a 2000 general election. Obviously, american are more american elections are more complex have districts complex where you have districts and states and vote and so on, and states and vote and so on, and then their votes are added together, not in the millions, but smaller numbers as part but in smaller numbers as part of coalition of of this weird coalition of counting. But the 2000 election between gore and george bush between al gore and george bush junior was ultimately decided in the courts. And first past the the courts. And first past the post in britain has many problems. Is simple. It problems. But it is simple. It is easy to exercise , easy to is easy to exercise, easy to participate and easy to decide. Participate and easy to decide. And yeah, i mean, peter, youre one of my viewers already. You got in and said suggested applying that rule over to the general election. Over to the general election. How would you enforce that . Im always fascinated when people say, lets apply whether its a turnout threshold or a minimum vote threshold or whatever. How vote threshold or whatever. How would you apply that so many people out there, they are politically disengaged. And i would blame the state of politics for that rather than anything to do personally with those voters. So how would you get them out . How you get them out . How would you incentivise force them incentivise them or force them or way it is to get or whatever the way it is to get to ballot box . You tell me. To that ballot box . You tell me. Australia they have well, in australia they have compulsive free voting. Indeed. They do indeed. They do indeed. Its interesting, i think its interesting, obviously has been implemented in countries. I dont in other countries. I dont think right. I dont think thats right. I dont think thats right. I dont think morally right think its morally right to force ballot and force people to a ballot and its there with a fine, its enforced there with a fine, isnt it . Yes, it is. Yes, its enforced with a fine. Im not sure the exact amount is, sure what the exact amount is, but think ultimately we but i think ultimately we i think i think think thats immoral. I think forcing ballot box forcing people to the ballot box is immoral. I think youre absolutely actually is immoral. I think youre absolthat actually is immoral. I think youre absolthat people actually is immoral. I think youre absolthat people feelially is immoral. I think youre absolthat people feel apathetic think that people feel apathetic because the state politics because of the state of politics currently. We havent got a lot of choice. I mean, there isnt a huge of difference huge amount of difference between the labour party and the conservative party at the moment. Conservative have moment. The conservative have overseen the highest burden overseen the highest tax burden since world war. So since the second world war. So really you are a voter and really if you are a voter and youre to, you know, tick youre going to, you know, tick blue red, there isnt blue or tick red, there isnt a huge well yeah. Blue or tick red, there isnt a hugand well yeah. Blue or tick red, there isnt a hugand i, well yeah. Blue or tick red, there isnt a hugand i, i well yeah. Blue or tick red, there isnt a hugand i, i havewell yeah. Blue