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Five drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey, between junctions ten and ii, to between junctions ten and ii, to be shut in both directions from 9 pm. On friday until 6 am. On monday. It will be the first scheduled daytime all lanes shutdown of the m25 since it openedin shutdown of the m25 since it opened in 1986. And for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews. Com alerts. Now its back to Lee Andersons real. To Lee Andersons real. World. Welcome to Lee Andersons real world. And tonight im joined by the senior political commentator for gb news. Thats nigel nelson. Hes our left in the corner and the very lovely emma webb, political journalist, broadcaster, jack of all trades or jill of all trades. You broadcaster, jack of all trades orjill of all trades. You can or jill of all trades. You can say jack of all trades, but straight to it. Theres been some happenings this week, nigel, over the past few weeks actually in parliament. So obviously you know, ive joined the reform some people the reform party. Some people say reformed character, say im a reformed character, im sure about that. And im not sure about that. And we saw galloway enter saw George GallowayEnter Parliament a couple of weeks back things are changing back and things are changing politically. The landscape is changing slightly. Weve got a general year. Changing slightly. Weve got a general year. Is general election this year. Is this end of two Party Politics. 7 no, i mean, while the first past the post system still exists , two Party Politics will exists, two Party Politics will carry on. So i think that if you look at the two surprises over the last few weeks, George Galloway winning in rochdale, you defecting to reform . I think that your defection is significant because youve got the first reform mp in parliament, if the polls keep going the way that they, they are and you can get 20 in the of the vote, youre looking at that. Of the vote, youre looking at that. Elected mps for reform for that. Elected mps for reform for the first time. George galloway on the other hand. Not so significant is his fourth time in parliament. Hes always promised to break the mould, never quite achieved it. And the never quite achieved it. And the idea that hes got 300 candidates out there for the general election, i dont really believe it, especially as they have to fund themselves and theyll soon realise the expense of that goes further than just losing their 500 deposit. You say i come to nr because nigel says its not significant that George Galloway is. I think its very significant that he can polarise a whole section of society and get them all out to vote, and not really talk about the rest of his constituency. It was just one group of people that got out to vote. They got him elected. Its massively significant. I think its the beginning of sectarian rather than think its the beginning of sectend� n rather than think its the beginning of sectend of rather than think its the beginning of sectend of the rather than think its the beginning of sectend of the two |ther than think its the beginning of sectend of the two party han think its the beginning of sectend of the two party system , the end of the two party system, the end of the two party system, the fact that he, he focussed on the fact that he, he focussed on the muslim vote, rallied the muslim vote, postal voting as a whole. Other aspect of that that hasnt received an off attention at all, and you know , there are at all, and you know, there are other candidates that are planning to stand in other areas. And if he were to support those candidates and they are like, he he said it himself, he thinks that , that that the next thinks that, that that the next election is going to be about muslims, he is driving a sectarian wedge into british politics, and its enormously significant because of weve seen this on our streets. We canned after weekend after weekend, with so many people who have been mobilised against israels actions in gaza , weve israels actions in gaza, weve seen london become a no go zone for jewish people, so i think forjewish people, so i think its enormously significant. I dont think its the end of the two party system. But i think two party system. But i think what were seeing across both parties and your defection is a sign of this, is that the rot is so deeply set in both parties and the only reason why we focus so much on the conservative party is because labour hasnt beenin party is because labour hasnt been in government for so long, and as soon as they are in government, that rot will become very apparent. Nigel, sectarianism in so, nigel, sectarianism in british politics. I think emmas got there and a rot got a fair point there and a rot in main parties. Do you 7 ee. Agree . Theres certainly a rot in the conservative party as weve seen and, islamophobia and racism has become a problem. Racism has become a problem. Hold on. I want to pull you up on that. Nigel. What is islamophobia . Well, there is there is no set definition. Are that word . 7. I . I think 7 i think we em 7 i think we use that word because it is something that encourages his hatred towards muslims , theres no settled muslims, theres no settled definition of it. I think the danger of british politics at the moment is you end up and both british sunak and keir starmer are guilty of this. Starmer are guilty of this. Youve got keir starmer, whos accusing the tories of islamophobia and the tories accusing labour of anti semitism. Both are not true. As far as the parliamentary parties are concerned, but we dont want the election to come in, come down to a battle or between those two sorts. You mean whos the most racist . Yeah, yeah. We dont want yeah, yeah. We dont want racism to be part of the election. No, absolutely not. Emma. No, absolutely not. Emma. Well, i mean, lets talk about the definition of islamophobia, because there is one definition has been one definition that has been put forward, thats the appgs forward, and thats the appgs definition of islamophobia, which and it talks which is pathetic. And it talks about, not just it talks about it talks about this idea of muslimness and that if anybody wants to go and look at that report in detail, its very, very clear that, certain criticisms of islam will be understood as being instrumental in order to attack muslims. Things like saying that islam is spread sword. So one spread by the sword. So the one definition that i think the labour party has adopted, the one, the one definition that is being pushed is, is essentially a back door. Blasphemy law. So if were moving into a potential Labour Government that adopt that definition of islam phobia, plus the potential of either mps fielded by George Galloway, or , fielded by George Galloway, or, him supporting other candidates who are sympathetic to that kind of sectarian politics. We are heading towards trouble , heading towards trouble, sectarian politics again, nigel. Ive been in hot water again recently for saying i want my country back. We want our country back. We want our country back. We want our country back. But this is where were headed. I mean, it depends what you mean about you want your mean about about you want your country i dont country back. I dont know whether you want it to whether you mean you want it to go to Something Like the go back to Something Like the 19705 go back to Something Like the 1970s or whatever. 1970s or the 1960s or whatever. But what youve done is youve joined a party which has very simplistic policies at the moment. Im sure you guys are all going to work out a proper manifesto, but there are so many things that youve put forward now which were fine when you were hoovering up negative votes. But if youre intending now to hooven hoover. But if youre intending now to hoover, hoover up positive votes, they need to be sorted out. So its little things. Its like , one policy is to give like, one policy is to give a people who cant get a gp appointment within three days, a private appointment with a gp. There are there are 360 million nhs appointments a year , only nhs appointments a year, only 3000 gps. It doesnt work. You have an Economic Policy to try and deal with cost of living crisis, which is to bring down, vat by 2. That is so simplistic because because shops are not required to pass on that saving to customers. So its only at a time of low demand , like during time of low demand, like during the financial crisis of 2000. And emini because nigel didnt answer anything that i asked him in the last piece, we talked about sectarian politics. I think its a slippery slope. I think its a slippery slope. Emma. I think the emergence of George Galloway , who actually George Galloway, who actually shook my hand with a bit of a chat with him. But i think the emergence of him just coming and campaigning on one single policy on basically a group of people, a religion. Imagine if on basically a group of people, a religion. Imagine if id said lee anderson had said, im going to campaign on the next election on on christian people. What would the uproar be . Well, people would find it completely unacceptable, wouldnt they . And i think its not with all respect to nigel, its not an honest or fair interpretation of you saying you want your country back , to think want your country back, to think of back in terms of time, because this is about having control. You know, people who live who have live in this country who have roots in this country have a right to this country. Roots in this country have a right to this country. And what right to this country. And what we have at the moment is a situation where we have no control. The government doesnt even seem to have control, whether its our borders, the nhs that nigel mentioned, and we could talk all day about all of the things that weve lost control over the situation is completely unacceptable. So completely unacceptable. So i agree you, lee. Also want agree with you, lee. I also want my back and i feel like my country back and i feel like what were doing were what were doing is were selling the inheritance of selling out the inheritance of our children and our grandchildren, and we are destroying country as its destroying the country as its been to by been handed to us by the greatest generation, and i just, l, greatest generation, and i just, i, i dont think that this should be painted as wanting to take the country back to the 19505, take the country back to the 1950s, though there were certainly things about the certainly some things about the 19505 that were better than today. I dont want to go back, nigel. Todays we had nigel. Todays one. We had rickets polio and scurvy. Rickets and polio and scurvy. And toothbrush and theres one toothbrush between old street and stuff between the old street and stuff like that what of like that. What im sort of getting at is. Theres getting at is. Well, theres things from the 505 and 60s i would like, but what im going to do is, like, got to do is, like, weve got a whole hundreds of whole literally hundreds of thousands, millions thousands, if not millions of people country, in people now in this country, in their that not their communities that do not like us. Are we talking then about the problem of immigration there . Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, well, again, reformist on immigration, reformist policy on immigration, is absolutely bizarre at the moment. You would accept 400,000 moment. You would accept 400,000 immigrants into this country on a kind of net zero basis where one in, one out, how the economy can work on that basis , on legal can work on that basis, on legal migrants coming in to fill specific jobs and relying on people emigrating. Im not quite sure when it comes down to to the cross channel boats. I cannot see you campaigning on a policy of drowning people in the engush policy of drowning people in the english channel, which is what the people are already drowning in the channel. They are. They are. But if you start turning back tiny little dinghies, theyre going capsize more people going to capsize and more people will lives. And it is will lose their lives. And it is just not a practical policy to try and turn them back to france, above the fact there arent any International Waters between dover and calais anyway. Emma, ill come back to you on this one. I mean, is it cruel to turn back boats . No, no it isnt. And if the boat capsize, then they would be under obligation to pick the under an obligation to pick the people of the sea. We should people out of the sea. We should be turning boats back to france, i think. And we have to solve the problem. And actually, if you about drowning you care about people drowning the you really the channel and what you really need is to destroy the need to do is to destroy the incentive that makes them cross incentive that makes them cross in the first problem in the first place. The problem is become so soft as is that weve become so soft as a country that people think that they the mick. And they can take the mick. And thats say that we thats not to say that we shouldnt take in genuine asylum seekers, that seekers, but the fact is that were in many that were taking in so many that were taking in so many that were overburdened were so overburdened that we cant after the who cant look after the people who actually need our help. It always back to it always goes back to illegal migration on this programme reason, programme for some reason, something wonder something im quite, i wonder why. Next weve why. Thanks, nigel. Next weve got versus left with emma got right versus left with emma webb and macdonald welcome back to Lee Andersons real world. Time for right versus left. Ive got the very gorgeous, the very lovely, the very beautiful andy mcdonald, the legendary. The legendary. That old chestnut. That old chestnut. That old chestnut. That old chestnut look, politics is changing. Over the past few years, ive spoken about this earlier. And our voting system, i think, needs personally reforming a little bit. We saw all sorts of accusations with the rochdale by election, with postal votes. Andy, is it time to scrap postal votes , i dont think scrapping votes, i dont think scrapping postal votes, but id say reforming the way that theyre distributed and the people who are allowed to vote by post, you know, i think, the restrictions that have been put in by the conservative government on voter id should be applied to postal voting more than anything, because thats where actual because thats where the actual cases of fraud happened with the voter agree with turning voter id, you agree with turning up a with a photo at the up with a with a photo at the polling i agree it polling station . I agree with it in principle, think the in principle, but i think the way its been done is its way that its been done is its been left the returning been left to the returning officers, kind of theyve been left to kind of left on their own to kind of administer they so administer it how they want. So i think there needs to be a more coherent strategy it, it coherent strategy on it, and it needs to done on postal needs to be done on postal votes. Youre going to it votes. If youre going to do it at all, because thats where the only cases fraud happen. Only real cases of fraud happen. Youre fire. Youre fighting the wrong fire. The yeah, but people in the labour say theres no labour party will say theres no fraud with postal fraud happens with postal voting. Prove it. Do you mean . People what do you mean . People in the the the labour party, people in the labour of things. The labour party, people in the lab know, of things. The labour party, people in the lab know, people of things. The labour party, people in the lab know, people in of things. The labour party, people in the lab know, people in the things. You know, people in the conservative party say lots of people reform party, you people in the reform party, you know, in all three know, youve been in all three and say of things. And you say lots of things. Postal should we so postal votes, should we just them, not entirely, just scrap them, not entirely, because think people, because i think older people, people are able to people who are not able to physically to polling physically get to a polling station vote station should be able to vote by that by post, i agree with you that as much. Also agree with voter as much. I also agree with voter id, i think that you should id, and i think that you should have who you are when have to prove who you are when youre voting. Think that youre voting. I think that there serious there should be serious restrictions that restrictions around the way that postal voting is used, because restrictions around the way that postal obvious; used, because restrictions around the way that postal obvious vulnerableause restrictions around the way that postal obvious vulnerable point its an obvious vulnerable point for, democratic system for, the democratic system to be abused. Its obviously vulnerable because vulnerable to that, because you could have a situation where, the a household votes on the head of a household votes on behalf of their entire household , where people are pressured into voting in certain ways, you could have a situation in which the people who are voting are not really the people who are voting or the people who are having votes cast on their behalf dont even necessarily speak english. So its obviously vulnerable to abuse that way , vulnerable to abuse in that way, i think its surprising that the electoral didnt seem Electoral Commission didnt seem particularly