His death at the age of 81. But before all of that, lets get the news with ray addison. The news with ray addison. Thanks, nigel. Good evening. Im ray addison in the gb news room. Our top stories this hour. A teenage girl has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after two teachers and a student were stabbed at a secondary school in wales while our tv news reporter, jack carson, is there for us now. Jack, what can there for us now. Jack, what can you tell us . Well, it was 11 20 am. This morning that police say they were called to an incident here at the Almond Valley school in south wales. And as weve heard this afternoon in the confirmation that three people were stabbed in an incident here, two teachers and one teenage girl and the police also confirming that a teenage girl has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and remains in custody. The investigations here still very active. The school will be closed tomorrow , school will be closed tomorrow, but police also confirming that a knife has been recovered from the school here and taken into evidence. Superintendent ross evans spoke earlier on. I am aware that there is footage circulating on social media and i would ask that this is kindly removed to preserve the integrity of the Ongoing Investigation and to avoid further distress to those involved. This was a very distressing incident and our thoughts are with the victims. Thoughts are with the victims. Well, of course, that appeal going out not only from the police but also from Carmarthenshire County Council as well. For those people that have circulated that those images on social media to remove them. But the Welsh Ambulance service, as well, at the time of the incident, did confirm that they sent for emergency ambulance to the scene here, including air ambulances as well, and that Critical Care was delivered here on site to those people injured. But we did get the confirmation earlier that certainly the pupils and teachers here at the school that those injuries so far were non life threatening. The school will be closed tomorrow, but support will be provided to those who need it. Jack carson there for us in wales. Thank you very much. Jack wales. Thank you very much. Jack and obe following that into breakfast as well. Onto other breakfast as well. Onto other news, and three men have been arrested following the deaths of five migrants, including a young girl , while five migrants, including a young girl, while trying to cross five migrants, including a young girl , while trying to cross the girl, while trying to cross the channel yesterday, the National Crime agency says they were arrested on suspicion of facilitating illegal immigration and entering the uk illegally. And entering the uk illegally. Those detained include two sudanese men aged 22 and 19, and a 22 year old. South Sudan National comes as figures from the home office show more than 400 migrants crossed the channel yesterday. As weve been hearing, the Prime Minister insists that his defence spending pledge is fully funded , spending pledge is fully funded, though he declined to rule out cuts in other areas. The government has committed to reaching 2. 5 of gdp by the year 2030, and is encouraging other members of nato to match that amount. Speaking in berlin, to next his german counterpart, mr sunak said rising conflicts around the world are making defence spending more urgent. We meet as a war rages on. Our continent and new threats are rising around the world and olaf, i want to congratulate you on your leadership in recognising the zeit and vendor and you taking the historic decision to increase germanys defence spending. And we stand defence spending. And we stand here today together as the leading defence spenders in europe, unshakeable nato allies and the two Largest Military supporters of ukraine in europe. And together we will continue to provide unwavering support for our ukrainian friends. As you said, for as long as it takes. Said, for as long as it takes. For the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to news. Com. Au alerts. Right straight back to. Nigel. Straight back to. Nigel. Good evening. I have no wish to be self indulgent , but gb to be self indulgent, but gb news has been making a bit of an impact and i think over the course of the last six months, the channel has grown. Certainly the channel has grown. Certainly the viewing figures and the listening figures back that up. And i have to say, im very proud of the fact that some evenings this show gets more viewers, according to the official figures, than the other news channels added up together in line with that, i think gb news has influence over National Debate is growing way beyond its size. Now, look, of course weve got problems with the advertising industry. The boycott that was put on this channel before a single minute of transmission has made it hard. But there is an all out attack coming on gb news from existing established broadcasters. This was andrew neil, and bear in mind that andrew neil was the chairman for a brief period of this company. When it launched, he was andrew neil yesterday, speaking to a house of lords committee. House of lords committee. Im surprised how tolerant ofcom has been of gb news, i think it may be because ofcom knows that the rest of the broadcast universe is on the centre. Centre left, a bit more centre. Centre left, a bit more left, back ed. And so it gave gb news a bit more leeway to try and settle down. I, i am surprised that any regulator would allow politicians sitting in the house of parliament to present tv programmes, political tv programmes. I mean, if i had stayed as chairman, it would never have happened because i would not have had any politician present a Television Show in the first place. And i would certainly never have allowed politicians to interview other politicians from the same party. I mean, ijust find other politicians from the same party. I mean, i just find that incredible and i think on these areas, ofcom needs to find a backbone. Well, andrew neil didnt last very long on this channel. He did eight episodes of his programme before he left, and i think what hes saying sounds a little bitter, but my real complaint is Nick Robinson. Yes, complaint is Nick Robinson. Yes, he of the today programme, from his lofty and very comfortable perch at the bbc, he repeatedly, continually has a go gbnews and todays tweet kind of just summed up where we are with nick. So nigel farage, one of the founders and owners of the reform party, can present an impartial programme on a tv news channel during the general election, according to the broadcasting regulator ofcom. Broadcasting regulator ofcom. The leader of the party, richard tice, is only mp. Lee anderson can also present programmes in the run up to the campaign alongside jacob rees mogg. Is this your idea of impartiality . Well, i wonder, Nick Robinson , well, i wonder, Nick Robinson, how impartial are you . I mean, you were a member, werent you, of the conservative party in years gone by . I mean you very recently , very recently said in recently, very recently said in an interview with lord cameron, almost a programme you said, but when israel attacks and murders tens of thousands of innocent palestinians, and i could go back over the years and i could accuse you time and again of allowing your opinion to be expressed on the bbc. I dont think youre impartial either. I dont think any human being that works in news or Current Affairs is impartial. We all have our own personal opinion, but thats not the point. But have a look at what adam boulton said a few months ago. He of sky news, for over three decades. I think there is a delicate and important broadcast ecology in this country. I think , you in this country. I think, you know, gb news is trying to bust that ecology and frankly, what ofcom should do is shut it down like it shut down. Rt forgive me for laughing. Its our pitch. Its our little game. Were the established broadcasters. Nobody else can be allowed to join our club. Adam boulton, i remind you, in the early days when sky launched, sky actually had some very opinionated presenters. Sky was the challenger. But now youre the challenger. But now youre the established agent. You dont want anybody else to be able to play want anybody else to be able to play with the bull. But here is why andrew neil is wrong. Here is why Nick Robinson is wrong. Our duty as broadcasters is not to be impartial and this channel has never pretended that it would have impartial presenters. Ourjob as broadcasters is would have impartial presenters. Our job as broadcasters is to give due impartiality. That is the definition. That is the law the definition. That is the law thatis the definition. That is the law that is laid down and due impartiality means that whilst we have our opinions and we can quite freely state them, we have to make sure that the other side of the argument gets a fair airing. All right. That is what airing. All right. That is what is demanded of us now. The pressures that are being put on ofcom are absolutely enormous. Ofcom are absolutely enormous. And yes, they have picked the channel up once or twice for things that have gone wrong, which, if you think about it, for a fledgling broadcaster, is not of itself particularly surprising. I would say this, and i really mean this. I think this channel gives more airtime to different views right across the political spectrum in this country than any of the other broadcasters. I dont believe we break the law. I think we give due impartiality. I dont due impartiality. I dont believe that gb news is biased at all. I think theres all out attack on us that is coming from the established broadcasters is rather like the way ukip was treated ten years ago as it was rising in the polls. Human beings have got their own little club, never want anyone new to join. Id love to get your views. Farage gb news. Com well, somebody who knows a thing or two about broadcasting is nick pisani, former series editor of bbcs question time, former head of presentation for David Cameron. Nick, youve worked, cameron. Nick, youve worked, you know, for many, many years in radio, in television. And we were chatting before coming on air about the great david dimbleby, and he was impartial in a way that we never knew what his view was. And in fact, i have no idea what his political view was, as you say, 40 years. He presided over general election debates. The euro referendum in and out. No one has a clue how david votes. If indeed he votes. And votes. If indeed he votes. And that did give him though a certain quality and enabled him without there being any complaints from the Political Parties , to do all of the parties, to do all of the election programmes and so forth, without any kind of controversy at all, which he did for half a century , and did it for half a century, and did it rather well. He did it very well, but there are plenty of other people in british broadcasting who have opinions and give their opinions or show their own personal preferences in debates, and theres nothing wrong with that, is there . I think you can go back to the early days or the mid nineties with sky. I remember there was a Weekly Programme or a nightly programme called target, and it was presented, as far as i remember, by lord tebbit, Norman Tebbit and austin mitchell, and they were either an mp or in the house of lords. And that was very controversial at the time because it was active politicians, presenting a programme , of course, balance programme, of course, balance one for the other, i wouldnt call gb news impartial. I think we all know where its coming from , but and its presenters from, but and its presenters certainly are. I think that across the board are not seen as representing anything other than a centre right view. But im not sure the public as a whole would want to see gb news closed down clearly. I think people like you , if you were to stand in an election, that would change things. Yeah, absolutely. Fundamentally change things. I dont think theres any way you could take part during an election if you were a participant. But right now youre a rather influential opinion. Former, and tv presenter. Youre not really actively a politician in much as you may like to have been, had you may like to have been, had you won many of the elections you won many of the elections you stood for and lost in. Well, won i two national elections, actually, for the european parliament. You might have forgotten that if you werent at the bbc, you would. I think most of us remember why David Cameron was forced to call the election. Sorry, called the referendum. Gb news. Its you know, they are the new kids on the block. They have come in to challenge the broadcasting establishment, isuppose the broadcasting establishment, i suppose its natural in some ways that we get these attacks from adam boulton and Nick Robinson. Well, you know, the rules were drawn up in a slightly different era. The question is really, do people want access to a range of different, channels that have points of view . Now, im not suggesting that we go down the fox route in america, but obviously cnn , msnbc, for but obviously cnn, msnbc, for instance, is seen as a kind of democrat leaning or sympathetic channel. And i think that theres a lot of output out there. Much of it people would say from the bbc that is also of the centre left. The question is, overall , does it matter . And is, overall, does it matter . And would we as viewers be worse off or better off if channels like yours werent allowed to exist . I think equally you could have another channel that stood on the other side of the political fence. Its called channel 4, not called channel 4, and it would be regulated in a slightly different way. But we, the viewers, no longer really want to have that absolutely quite boring, often quite boring television because youre not allowed to have very clear opinions. All right. So its fair also to say you do have a lot of people who contribute, not presenters who are of the left as well as the right. Absolutely. And we have Just Stop Oil and all Different Campaign groups on next day with me , im joined down the line by me, im joined down the line by john mayer, author and former bbc Current Affairs producer whos also worked for channel 4 and itv, john, you know , i argue and itv, john, you know, i argue very strongly that we meet the test of due impartiality. Test of due impartiality. Roger, what a delight to be, to be with you now , do you to be with you now, do you understand the concept of bias . Do you understand the concept of impartiality . I mean, youre very lucky youve escaped the ofcom Silver Bullet because youre not an mp. Maybe youre a shadow mp and you shouldnt be presenting shows. And whats the difference between news and Current Affairs . Why are you guys allowed to present Current Affairs and not news . I worked in Current Affairs for 40 years and i dont know the difference between that and news. So you know, come on, all these tory mps masquerading as impartial presenters, give it a rest. Give presenters, give it a rest. Give it a rest. No, no, john, youre missing the point. Nobody on this channel says theyre impartial. No one says that. What they do say is we obey the law. We obey the rules that ofcom give us, and we give you impartiality , and we give you impartiality, which means we can give our opinion, but we allow the other side of the argument to have their say as well. And we treat their say as well. And we treat john, we treat the public at home. We say, look , ultimately home. We say, look, ultimately youre big enough and ugly enough to make up your own minds. Whats wrong with that . So when was the last time diane abbott was on . Jeremy corbyn was on gb news. Wheres the balance . Where where is the balance, you know . Oh, theyre invited , john. Oh, theyre invited, john. Theyre invited regularly. And, you know, i just literally as i was coming into the studio past nigel nelson, you know , whos nigel nelson, you know, whos worked for the mirror Group Newspapers for nearly 40 years, who was an open labour supporter. Oh, no. No, we absolutely make sure that all sides of the debate get a fair airing. Airing. Yes. I mean, it used to be said that the tory, the church of england was a tory party at prayer gb news is now now the tory party at prayer, isnt it. You know, come on, you know, i dont actually got away with it. I tell you what, john, if you actually ask gb news viewers what they think of the current conservative party, you might be quite surprised by some of the results you get. Is there space . I mean, youve worked in this industry for decades and youve said already and all right, were a disrupter. I get that. I accept that in very much the same way that sky were disrupters. As nick pisani said earlier, you know, putting Norman Tebbit on a tv show with austin mitchell, do you think that gb news should be allowed to continue as it is, or do you think, like adam boulton, that ofcom should close us down . I think ofcom should grow up here in terms of gb news and other channels like you. I mean, itend other channels like you. I mean, i tend to agree with the awful andrew neil yesterday, but you know , where are the left wing know, where are the left wing channels is for marsh are going to pay to money set up a left wing channel to go against you. Wing channel to go against you. Weve got, weve got channel 4 news. Theyve been overtly a left wing campaigning organisation for decades. Organisation for decades. You know you havent missed reading channel 4 news. No, no. Reading channel 4 news. No, no. Youve disrupted the ecology. Youve disrupted the ecology. All right. Well andrew you got away with it for a couple of years now. Now its time to put your hands up and say we got away with it. Now its time for us to behave. All right. John, matt, thank you for your opinion. Ive got a very quick question for you. Im going to come back to you