Addison. Addison. Thats leo. Our top stories tonight from the gb newsroom and conservative mp doctor dan poulter has defected to labour, saying the tories are now a nationalist party of the right. Nationalist party of the right. Announcing his decision in the observer newspaper, the former Health Minister said it is abundantly clear that the labour party alone has the will and the trust to restore and reform the nhs. He urged rishi sunak to call a general election as soon as possible. Tory Party Spokesperson has described the news as disappointing, but labour leader sir keir starmer says its fantastic. Doctor poulter , who represents central poulter, who represents central suffolk and north ipswich, will take the labour whip until the next election. The prime next election. The Prime Minister says a recent influx of migrants into ireland shows the deterrent effect of his rwanda plan is working. 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Saying that the safety of jews was at risk. Humza yousaf is asking leaders of rival parties to find Common Ground with the snp as his leadership hangs in the balance. Hes inviting them to talks at his official residence to see how they can work with his minority government. The Scottish First minister says he wont resign ahead of a crunch vote on his leadership next week. It comes after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens last thursday , and greens last thursday, and finally, a gold pocket watch recovered from the body of the richest man on the titanic has been sold at auction for a record breaking £1,175,000. Now it had been expected to fetch only around 150 k businessman John Jacob Astor was 47 when he went down with the ship in 1912 after seeing his wife madeline onto a lifeboat rather than attempt to get on one himself. 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There was no need to consult Community Leaders or be aware of social tensions when its a group seen as gammons. Compare group seen as gammons. Compare this to the treatment of other protesters over the last six months, the police stood meekly by while islamists threw fireworks and missiles at police, desecrated War Memorials and chanted anti semitic slogans, displayed swastikas and called for jihad, which the police excused as having a number of meanings. Yeah, im pretty sure jihad just as one meaning when its shouted by a foaming mouthed hamas supporter who wants to destroy israel. Left wing commentator say the Saint Georges day protesters are far right, but the anti israel protesters arent. So the protesters with swastikas and anti semitic chants arent nazis , but the ones with england nazis, but the ones with england flags. A country that fought the nazis are the nazis. Can someone please make this make sense . And social media was awash with the annual Saint Georges day parade of smug, superior lefties saying, well, actually, saint george was a turkish arab immigrant and his mother was a palestinian. Take that gammons as if this was some kind of edgy jaw dropping revelation instead of the only acceptable opinion, and something youll see a million times if you open social media on the 23rd of april. And as well as being trite and smug, its not even correct if i can adopt the snobbish , know it all adopt the snobbish, know it all tones of the leftist chatter party. Well actually saint george wasnt a turkish arab, but was a greek christian from anatolia, which used to be christian but was aggressively colonised by islam. So maybe digging into Saint Georges history doesnt make the point. You think youre making by calling him a turkish arab is like saying keanu reeves as a high Ranking Member of hezbollah because he was born in beirut. Because he was born in beirut. See, we can be knowitalls, too. And saint george is revered in the east as a curer of lunatics. So we could certainly do with him today. I so we could certainly do with him today. I am joined tonight by paul cox, andrew eborn and kezia noble. Now paul the police say they have to keep the peace and the anti israel protests are too big to step in. I mean, doesnt this sit in a dangerous message that if youve got a big enough mob, you can do what you want . Yeah, i mean, its got to a point now where im not even sure why were debating this. Theres an open shut case, isnt it . The two very contrasting views there on the screen. We saw it earlier in the week. Its like debating whether the titanic sunk. Its sunk, and the titanic sunk. Its sunk, and the police have absolutely no idea how to manage these situations. Now, ill tell you for why and what theyve put themselves in this position is because theyve introduced culture, war, politics and religion into policing rather than making policing a binary task. Is than making policing a binary task. Is he the breaking the law or its not breaking the law . Is he the is he the protester . Its not protest. And as a result, what were because theyre bringing in the religion of these protests were seeing they have no idea how to handle it because of the culture war. I mean, at the rate were going, sort of saint george waving white blokes will by will be a minority within ten years. So well be the ones that will be able to enjoy , you know, free able to enjoy, you know, free protests wherever we like. So once youre a minority, youll be able to do what you want. White karens unite. White karens unite. Im not sure itll work like that, but but well see. I mean, im surprised this is a scotsman living in england. You know, i think its a perfectly green and pleasant land. Its very warm and welcoming. Its lovely. And welcoming. Its lovely. Great place to live, you know what i mean . It doesnt have the stringent hate crime laws that youve got in scotland. So you can still crack jokes in england from time to time. Why . Why do you think english people dont celebrate saint george . They seem to be almost embarrassed to celebrate it. Celebrate it. Yeah, they do seem pretty embarrassed, dont they . You see, like everyone celebrating Saint Patricks day, i think. I think the, the english like to celebrate Saint Patricks day even more than Saint Georges day. Itsjust even more than Saint Georges day. Its just been now linked with racism, hasnt it. So yeah, theyre just very uncomfortable with it. And they probably see you know, theyve been told you know england was the it was part of the empire. It was the empire. You know. Of the empire. It was the empire. You know. And we have to empire. You know. And we have to feel guilty about that. But but scotland and wales were part of that empire also. You know, i know that it was like, okay, wales is a principality. I understand. But, you know, back understand. But, you know, back in the days of the empire , they in the days of the empire, they were they were soldiers also. And yeah , absolutely. Marching and yeah, absolutely. Marching on other peoples land and all the rest of them, plenty of scottish slave traders and, and there were some scottish slaves as well. There were. Absolutely. Well, it is interesting, i always say that trust comes in on foot and leaves on horseback. And the reality is that its about communication. Yeah. At the moment there are tears everywhere. More than two i would have thought with, with the police on that sort of basis, what they need to do is be very, very clear as to the policies. So lets put it in this perspective. Theres section 60 a, a of the criminal justice and public order act of 1994. I can tell you the clocks already ticking, but but that can empower them to say you can remove anything that might conceal your faces and so on and so forth. So they put that order in on Saint Georges day. So all the people in their english outfits had to take things off, but they didnt when they were the palestinian marches. Yeah. So they could cover their face. So they could cover their face. So theres an inconsistency there. What they need to do though is about clarity. And i put the other perspective we like to balance. Ive read the notes. Youve got to be balanced. I felt a bit sorry for the copper who turned round and put the other perspective with a guy who, when he said he was openly jewish, he didnt mean it as an anti semitic way. What he was trying to say is, look, its a bit dangerous because if you go over there , palestinians, you over there, palestinians, you might come to harm and therefore the situation was the crowd could see it as a provocation. And i think thats the thing. Its rather like saying, hang about your i dont know if youre black and theres a whole load of National Front people over there. You want to warn them. Its about safety. Agitator, by the way. Oh, well, he was making the point and he was making a good point, but he was an agitator. And the reason theres a two tier system, i dont i dont believe that the police are pro palestine. I dont believe that. Its the sheer number theyre deaung its the sheer number theyre dealing with here. Its huge. And most of them are peaceful. But youve got this mob and ive seen them. Theyre young men. Theyve got their faces covered like cowards. And you can see like cowards. And you can see theyre looking for a fight. They are looking for a fight. And its something triggers that it all hell will break loose. But andrew rees is an interesting point. He said, you know, if this was, you know, a black person in front of a National Front mob, a National Front mob would never, ever be allowed to march in london. Exactly small. If those were like 50,000, 60,000 people, they would also have to manage it differently. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But i mean, the reality of the situation is that that it just isnt. I was on the anti lockdown marches , you know, anti lockdown marches, you know, and they were huge, much bigger than this. And to be honest, it got a bit hairy sometimes. But they couldnt do anything because of the size. Thats the lockdown because no barbers were available. Thats why they got hairy. Thats why they got hairy. Thats why they got hairy. He was antagonising ones. He but he did. Of course he was something , right . Yes, he did something, right . Yes, he did expose something and that was that. There was the potential for danger. And weve been continually told there is no potential for danger because these are peaceful protests. So what he what he successfully managed to do and single handedly on this occasion was expose it for what it is. That element that kezia was talking about does exist, and we shouldnt deny it. But but also the interest of people would not have done anything to that murder. Theyre peaceful people that are upset about. But you dont want it to be inflammatory. And the other inflammatory. And the other thing, which i think they handled incorrectly, the police say were just putting the other side is when you come out and apologise and say, well, yes, it almost means as though, well, it was it was anti semitic and things like and it wasnt. I dont think that was the intention. I think it really was to do with safety and so on and so forth. Its rather like the orange marches, which they do. There are certain streets you cant go down because inflammatory work on that basis should be sponsored by easyjet. But it wasnt the only protest this week. There was also rees mogg, Jacob Rees Mogg being harassed by pro palestine students. I believe in wales. Weve got a video in cardiff now those protesters as well as being right up in his face, hes got security. So hes safe, and, you know, i trust Jacob Rees Mogg could fight his way out of anything he could. Tall guy. Tall guy. But they were. They were waving. One of them was waving a flag of the soviet union, a communist flag, which is one of the most disgusting. I mean , how the most disgusting. I mean, how many millions of people were starved, tortured, beaten , horrendous . All of those are very valid points. And thats what the mail was saying. That was outrageous. Was saying. That was outrageous. Whats interesting was jacobs own statements, which was what he said in a statement. Rees mogg said it was a legitimate and peaceful if noisy protest. The Cardiff UniversitySecurity Team was exemplary in allowing a lawful protest while keeping everyone safe, so he doesnt sound as bothered as the headune doesnt sound as bothered as the headline sound. Thats what i love about Jacob Rees Mogg. Hes a man of principle. He he doesnt apply them in a partisan way. He sticks to his principles. An englishman will walk but never run. He kind of exemplifies that, doesnt he . He stood there. He stood there just stood there. He stood there just going, well, of course my team will handle this. Englishman will walk, but never run. Is that to do with the obesity crisis . The obesity crisis . Thats a quote from a lyric in a police song. This is this. This is this. This is his inspirational speech before the london marathon. Thats what he works. He does it is it is important to say this, and perhaps we dont do it enough. I see you dont. Is wes streeting angela have all suffered the same thing this week from the same people balance. So what were seeing is the same people are doing the same thing to people. I dont know really what they expect to gain. Lets not forget there isnt so much that we can do. If isnt so much that we can do. If they all stood up in harmony in parliament and said ceasefire now, there would not be ceasefire. What they expect to gain is pubuchy. What they expect to gain is publicity. If you want to draw publicity. If you want to draw a crowd, start a fight. Well, these protesters arent always, you know, they dont always have the most deep rooted, passionate , you know, deeply held beliefs. Weve got another video now of a pro palestine protesters. Not more. Dont seem to know why theyre protesting. No. Theyre protesting. No. Have a look at this about anything else. Go with tonights, protest. Go with tonights, protest. I think the goal is just showing our support for palestine and demanding that nyu stop. I honestly dont know all of what nyu is doing. Is there something that nyu is doing . I really dont know. Im pretty sure there you know what nyu is doing . What about israel . Why are we protesting here, well be free. I was more educated. Im not either. Oh, i came from columbia. I was there up at columbia, and we came down. They said nyu students got support. So i came down. I heard theres lots of cops. Some people were saying it was getting dangerous. I love who she says. I wish i was more educated. Those are students at the most elite institutions in the states like nyu and columbia. These are elite ivy league universities. These people do not care about the palestinian issues, just like they dont care about the syrians. The 600,000 syrians that were slaughtered, no protests , the, 280,000 yemenis protests, the, 280,000 yemenis ignored no protest. Yeah. This is a lot of people are upset about whats happening and genuinely are going on these protests. And its very understandable why some of those images are coming out. Videos are horrendous. Yeah but a lot of them are jumping on a bandwagon and just going free palestine. They dont know what theyre saying. Its oh , just, theyre saying. Its oh, just, theyre saying. Its oh, just, theyre in a moment. Theyre caughtin theyre in a moment. Theyre caught in a moment and youre absolutely right. It is. And actually just i talked to probably a party pooper on this. Its not quite what she said. So what they said in the media, i did my research on this sort of thing. She did know what she was talking about. She did know about palestine. We dont like nuanced research. We love a bit of neon. Therell be many tears to this argument. What she said is, i honestly dont know all of what nyu is doing. That was her quote. Did she say she wasnt other university . She came from another one, so she didnt. She knew she was pro palestinian. What was interesting is similar sort of quote. Very recently there was somebody holding up from the river to the sea and one of the journalists said, well, which river . Which sea is it . I dont know, i dont know what thats about. And a lot of people on these marches, its the mob mentality. And thats the mob mentality. And thats the mob mentality. And thats the thing. Its tribal, isnt it . Yeah. Theyve got the drums playing everything or like the drums. Oh, i had cymbals as well.