Gb news. 930 on thursday, the 2nd of may. This is britains newsroom on gb news with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. Thanks for joining and bev turner. Thanks forjoining us and bev turner. Thanks for joining us this morning. So about 300 people have been arrested during Police Crackdowns on pro palestine protests. And a Counter Group at american universitys. Would you want to see our police get tough on protesters , too. 7 on protesters, too. 7 and much closer to home, students in leeds , newcastle, students in leeds, newcastle, bristol, manchester and elsewhere. Theyre protesting outside campus buildings in protest against, you guessed it, the war in gaza and rwandas legal challenge after one migrant has voluntarily gone to rwanda. Civil servants are threatening to scupper the plan completely. Well tell you how. Happy birthday. Do we call her maam or princess caroline. 7 charlotte. Ive got the wrong. Charlotte. Ive got the wrong. Wrong, wrong for Princess Charlotte celebrates her ninth birthday this morning. A new birthday this morning. A new birthday photo could be released by the prince of wales, princess of wales any moment now. I think the princess caroline of monaco. I was gonna say. Monaco. I was gonna say. Who is princess caroline. 7 we havent got age gap about 50 years. I wouldnt call him, what do you officially call a child, princess . Well, she is. She would be your Royal Highness. Oh, imagine calling her that. Oh, imagine calling her that. Imagine if you were kate and william. You would not be expecting fellow children or the teachers to say that to charlotte or to louis or to george. Would you . Would you . The things my children would try and get away with, if i could call them your Royal Highness. What a parenting nightmare. Let us know your thoughts this morning. Gbnews. Com forward. Slash yourself first for the very latest news with sofia. Latest news with sofia. Bev. Thank you. Bev. Thank you. 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The met office said it could bring difficulties to driving conditions and some flooding. And for the latest flooding. And for the latest story , sign up to gb news alerts story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews. Com alerts. Its now its gbnews. Com alerts. Its now its back to andrew and. Bev. Back to andrew and. Bev. Morning. Morning. 934 this is britains newsroom on gb news with me, bev turner and Andrew Pierce. Well, ive resolved it. Well, ive resolved it. Ive checked on the Buckingham Palace website. Shes nine years old today. Princess charlotte. And her formal title is her Royal HighnessPrincess Charlotte of wales. So if you meet her, beverly, you can say to her, you can curtsy if you would like to, and to a nine year old and say, very nice to meet you, your Royal Highness. I wonder what her teachers do at school. You know, at school. Can you imagine her putting her hands on her hips, saying, you cant say that to me. Im a princess. You cant. Im a Royal Highness. Wouldnt that be funny . How do you raise a normal child in that environment . That is what a challenge it is. Because, i mean, if you looked at the queens children, would you argue . She raised them . Well, i would say an an. Yes. Brilliant yes. Brilliant prince edward. Okay. Prince edward. Okay. Yes. Yes. Charming prince andrew, not so much. No. William and harry. Well, princess of wales did her best, but she was taken away to when they were too young. And isnt that where Princess Anne did brilliantly, though . In telling zara and Peter Phillips youre not having any titles , youre not having any titles, youre not having any titles, youre going to be normal. They appear to be relatively normal. I mean, hes had a couple of marriages, hasnt he, peter . Hes had one at least. Hes had one at least. Hes had one at least. He had at least one. And zara is fabulous. And theyre both popular and theyve made their own way and theyve made money and successful in their own right. I mean, shes shes won olympic medals too. Exactly. Exactly. And Princess Anne was a very successful sportswoman, too. The moral of the story dont call your children your Royal Highness, if you can help it. And its that whole new expression to. Shes a right little princess. Now, after one failed, a failed Asylum Seeker voluntarily went to rwanda. Just to remind you, with £3,000 of pubuc to remind you, with £3,000 of public money in their pockets, the Civil Service unions, of course, they are now threatened to try to scupper the entire wanda plan by having a judicial review. Thats right. The fda union, thats right. The fda union, which represents senior Civil Servants , claims that home servants, claims that Home Office Staff could be in breach of International Law if they implement the safety of rwanda act. So who better to explain this to us than brilliant barrister and columnist sam falls in the studio. Right, sam, break this down to us. What exactly is happening here . Well, basically this this isnt about stopping the rwanda plan. Its about getting Civil Servants out of a catch 22 situation. It is. It is. And this is it comes down to bad drafting. Youve got on one hand, an act of parliament that says Civil Servants have got to follow the Civil Service code. And that code says youve got to obey , to obey the law, and obey, to obey the law, and youve got to uphold the rule of law. On the other hand, youve got the rwanda bill, which says ministers. Ministers can instruct Civil Servants to disregard the law if that law is an injunction from the European Court of human rights. And so Civil Servants are saying, look, if you tell us to do this , we if you tell us to do this, we dont know which instruction from parliament. Were supposed to follow. Is it uphold the law and the rule of law . Is it ignore the law. We need an answer. You didnt give us an answer. You didnt give us an answer in the in the bill, even though we asked you to. So if the ministers cant come up with an answer, the courts are going to have to. Of course, its about scuppering the around a bit. Its despised by the left. The labour party has voted against it 134 times. The fda union wants labour to win the election. The left a paranoid now that this rwanda bill might be successful. Weve seen whats happening with with in ireland and Northern Ireland. Sam refugees saying theyre scuttling out of Northern Ireland into southern ireland because they fear being deported to rwanda. This is what its all about. Well, i dont if it is. Well, i dont if it is. If youre right, its a really bad plan because if they if they win this, its not going to scupper the rwanda bill. Its just going to provide clarity and ask ministers to go back to parliament and get parliament to come down on one side of this or the other and thats what parliament will do, because parliament, if the fda get a judicial review and the judicial review blocks the Civil Servants from doing this, parliament can then force a vote compelling the Civil Service to do it. Yeah, and thats exactly right. And but it comes back down to just the stunning incompetence of ministers on this. If youre going to write a bill and, you know, we have disagreed on the rwanda bill, you know where i stand. You know, i think its a bad bill. But if youre going to write a bill, it should do what it says on the tin. And this one, because ministers didnt have the courage to put their cards on the table and say, yes. What were trying to do here is set up this fight with the European Court of human rights. We want that fight. They didnt have the courage to come straight out and say that. So they gave this wishy washy clause that says ministers can instruct Civil Servants to ignore the law sometimes, maybe, which was actually already the law. And as a result, youve got this, this lack of clarity, which the courts have got to clear up. So what would the Civil Servants say . They are concerned about . Whats whats the precedent . Theyre worried this would set. So the most important part of the Civil Service code is concerned here is the requirement to uphold the rule of law. And the rule of law is the sort of fundamental principle of, of a functioning democracy, which is that where we agree, where we make laws or where we agree to laws, we have to stick by them. And we and that includes both domestic laws. So things like dont steal, dont murder people and International Laws. And thats the treaties that we as a nation sign up to and say were going to abide by and its not just about individual laws, its about individual laws, its about the wider principle of saying when we say were going to stick to a rule, we stick to it come hell or high water, unless we change it in an illegitimate way. And thats what the Civil Servants are worried about. And why this is such an important point to be making is that the ministers are asking them to do the opposite and say, yes, weve agreed to this law. Weve gone out to our International Partners and say, were going to do this , and now were going to do this, and now were going to do this, and now were just not know. Can we just put a important caveat in here . Its not just ministers saying that parliament has agreed it. Its gone through the commons. Its gone through the commons. Its gone through the house of lords, parliament has agreed it with a comfortable majority. Its not. Youre just saying about ministers the whole machinery of government has been done. The machinery of government has been done. The proper democratic process. Parliament has agreed that these flights should go to rwanda. And now a Civil Service union is thinks well do our best to overturn the will of parliament. Well, the first part of that, youre absolutely right. That was the right. Your right to correct me on that. But its not about overturning the will of parliament, because parliament has also said to Civil Servants, you are to uphold the rule of law. So and again, that was the crag act. That was something that was passed by parliament in exactly the same way with the support of a majority. So civil support of a majority. So Civil Servants have got two conflicting instructions here, and we need to find a way to say which one of those instructions do you want to follow . And in my view, speaking again, personally and sort of from a political point , because and sort of from a political point, because i dont and sort of from a political point , because i dont know what point, because i dont know what the court is going to decide, i think upholding the rule of law as a is a is a much more important thing than a winning a particular political battle over rwanda. This is a waste of time. This is a waste of time. They did this the fda in 2021 after the Prime Ministers adviser on ministerial codes decided that priti patel, the home secretary, had bullied Civil Servants, poor Civil Servants being bullied. There was a judicial review and boris did not dismiss his home secretary. Yeah, this is just posturing and time wasting and its trying to delay the flights going well. That was about the ministerial code, which is very different from the Civil Service code. So the and the ministerial code. So the and the ministerial code is, is in my view, not really worth the paper its written on because its just it can be overruled by the Prime Minister at a whim. So its much more important for ministers to sort of cosy up to the Prime Minister than actually act ethically. Thats a whole other problem. But the court was right. The court doesnt have any power to enforce the ministerial code. This is a different thing because its not just parliament that is imposed. The minister, ministers that have imposed the ministerial, the Civil Service code, its parliament that passed an act saying we need a Civil Service code and that has then gone on to say were targeting this much wider principle, which is the rule of law. Right. And the so rule of law. Right. And the so the court may give clarity on that. The other question that it raises, again, is how did the politicians or the politicians legal teams not know this would happen . Well , that is why the mind well, that is why the mind boggles, to be honest. Because you know what they were told this would happen. And in fact, the tom hickman kc, whos one of our greatest public lawyers , wrote an article a in lawyers, wrote an article a in december for i think it was i first read it saying, look, this is going to create a problem for you. You need to just you need to amend this clause. I mean, tom again was very sceptical about the bill, but he said, if this is what you want to do, you need to amend this clause to give clarity, to say, yes, were going to be out, out and out about saying were going to breach International Law on this, or were going to be out and about saying were not going to breach International Law. No. If the European Court is going to block the flight to rwanda, we dont even know that this is a lot of supposition and crystal ball gazing here, sam. Yeah. And that might be for me, thats the biggest sort of legal challenge for it, that its a bit hypothetical. So it may be its not a bit. Its hugely hypothetical. They may remember the British Supreme Court cleared the original flight to rwanda. It was an unnamed European Court judge blocked it. Theres no reason to suppose that theyll block this flight again now. Parliaments approved it. I think the reason what im saying is, isnt the fda , the saying is, isnt the fda, the Civil Service, jumping the gun well under normal circumstances, i would probably agree with you. I would probably agree with you. The reason i dont is that things are going to move really quickly. And i you know, ive beenin quickly. And i you know, ive been in this this sort of situation with the benn act litigation back in 2019 when were talking about leaving the, the, the European Union without a deal and what we had to deal with is something that a decision can be made so quickly that before the court can give clarity, you have irreversible consequences. His ire flight has consequences. His ire flight has gone. Civil servants have broke. The minister, the Civil Service code. So what Civil Servants are asking is for the court to avoid that problem. Give them advance nofi