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and i think it also, for me, has a political implication. when the huge political ideas of the world — communism, the end of history, unfettered capitalism, we see the calamitous results of those grand ideas, of those certainties. with things politically, one also has to hope for things that emerge in a much more organic, smaller way from the edges as a way of thinking about problems. but bronwyn lace, one of the centre's organisers, says, "in order to qualify for grants and public funding, artists must prove positive impact of their art and incorporate a community—based outreach programme of some kind." yes, so that's not us. that's not what we do. that's what you do if you're looking for public funding, you have to show this drawing will reduce mother—to—child transmission... she's one of the organisers of your centre. she's saying that's the way public funding works. you don't approve of that? no, that's not what we do. that's the point —