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these were officers that were in full dress uniform. there were some that were in tactical garb as far as the large vest. well marked police. no doubt about it, that they were officers. when they came in, they were in marked units as well. some of the marked units up there still have bullet holes in them. some were what we called our ghost marked units, which were subdued units. >> i guess i'll go with the questioning [ inaudible ] they were out there and this all still happened, kind of speaks to the nature of -- >> yeah. these officers were not under cover. we wanted our presence to be known by the bikers that were here. there was no doubt they knew we were out here. that was a large contin dependent of officers in police vehicles sitting, driving, going through the parking lot. we were well seen. i said yesterday or earlier this morning, they could care less whether we were here or not, that's the violence that we were dealing with yesterday. they knew we were seconds away