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mcarthur airport on long island in new york. it's unclear if it made it all the way to new york. however, there was concern because the aircraft was unresponsive and at that point when it was kind of hovering near d.c., it's unclear if it violated d.c. air space, that's when the fighter jets went and scrambled it and then ultimately it is unclear what the exact sequence of events that led to it crashing. but it did ultimately crash and we are told that that is not because of the jets themselves. they did not shoot it down. so obviously we still need to wait for more information, jim. >> absolutely. and forgive me if i'm pushing into areas where you have to speculate beyond where we have the facts at this point. let's go julia. she joins us. if the plane only made it as far as staten, virginia, that relative area of virginia, i know as a virginian who grew up in this area and went to college out in that neck of the woods,