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>> yes. the problem with sean is when you tell sean not to go you know he is going to go. [laughter] >> so that was the problem i was talking to our colleagues in washington. and they said look, tell your friend penn not to go. so i told sean not to go and he called me the next day and said i'm going. [laughter] i said well, okay, stay in close touch. >> bret: you are making the decision whether you are going or not going. and it's tense. you have met with zelenskyy. he has obviously impressed you. you have impressed him. you are moving forward but you have to make a call. >> you mean in terms of. >> of leaving. >> yeah, so after -- once the invasion had started, what happened, my colleagues and i, aaron coffman co-director is here right now. we -- where we -- i refer to it as where we met with him. i think it's probably a public secret at this stage but i'm going to continue to refer to it that way. where we met with him was in

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