>> my hands are on her but not firmly. they are right there, just like a light touch. >> did she become better at climbing the ladder of the pool? >> oh, absolutely. even at that point she could climb into the pool by herself. >> judge jeanine: the casey anthony trial, one shocker after another as both cindy and lee anthony take the stand, this time for the defense. we are now joined by district attorney william fitzpatrick and consulting attorney for the defense jennifer berringer. start with you. look at this photo, a photo of little caylee going into the pool. well, i guess we don't, yes, there it is. can you tell me what that photo is all about with grandmother? >> i think the photos of caylee in the pool and going into the pool, i think they have a dual reason. first off, you can really see that this child can get into the pool and that she loves to swim.