swedish meat balls are. paul singer is here from roll call and joins me from washington. it's kind of funny, but what is behind these rules? >> what is behind these rules is jack. free meals, free gifts, congress passed new rules saying you can't take things of value from anybody who lobbies. then the question came up, what about the lobby and et next committee and cannot accept at a hollywood party. >> you mean somebody is trying to figure out the value of burgers, meat balls, versus pigs in a blanket and hot dogs? >> absolutely. yes. what they say is things of