clubs, clay courts, memberships in clubs. how big was the chip on your shoulder when you began your career? >> certainly was one there. there's no doubt. the outsider came from really the start of my playing tennis days. back in st. louis. and my mom taught me how to play. we had to go to st. louis to find a game and if i wanted to play somebody besides my mother and my grandmother, so it was almost treading on other people's property to get in and try to become a better player, so it kind of all started, maybe it was a lot more than i thought or a lot less and i made more out of it but the feeling i had, i was never part of a group. never got in with a lot of the other kids because i wasn't from the other side and always had to make that trip back and forth. then as i got older and turned