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conservatives, we don't know how to disagree anymore, chuck. this is the problem. we -- we passionately disagree and we're best friends. >> that's true. >> we actually like each other. we had debate, i wish you could have seen it, it was jay inslee from washington, very, very liberal, environmentalist, and doug bergen from north dakota about energy. and it was so respectful. and they stayed after for 20 minutes just talking to each other. like, this isn't our -- we used to do this. >> what's interesting is you guys are the only ones having -- the governors are having these conversations. >> that's right. >> generally. there's certainly some -- but the partisans don't want to have these conversations right now. >> listen, we're all proud of our parties. i'm a proud democrat for sure. somebody asked me to define yourself a couple weeks ago, and i said i'm a proud progressive and a cold-blooded capitalist. and i feel very comfortable -- >> the progressives would accept you if you call yourself a