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that it's a faith then it's beyond criticism, and it's really hard to talk about in these terms. >> one thing that really angers christian nationalists is the fact that when i was in high school, i always said for 2000 years, from the time of jesus's birth through not the breakup of the beatles but the breakup of the eagles, like, evangelicals were pro-choice. they were pro-choice. and then you had wyrick and jerry falwell going we have a southern baptist democrat, we have to separate southerners and catholics from this guy. and so they said, we'll make up abortion as a religious issue, and they did. just like that. >> yeah, it's a political strategy. >> it was a political strategy hatched in 1979 to beat jimmy carter. >> so we've got to the stage in america where i think it's more than half of republicans think that america should be a strictly christian country,