saying they'll put a moratorium on earmark, also a symptom of that illness. that's important to a small percentage, very small percentage of the dcht. >> i'm sorry? absolutely. >> these are not significant concepts that will frankly make a big dent in the deficit? >> but make as dent in the culture. the speeg speaker's right. there is a beltway fever. working in the house of representatives went from a deficit to a surplace plus, the democrats started becoming big -- felt we lost our way. it's important to make the substantive steps because we're not going to solve this overnight but are putting the vote in the right direction. that's what we need do i want to play a clip for you both. tim paw lenglenty. >> they should not raise the debt ceiling, pass legislation, allow them to sequence the spending, not to default and have a debate what other spending can be reduced.