loopholes, tax reform. that may be a way to produce some kind of compromise but if you're talking about a jenin crease in tax rates, forget about it. not going to happen. >> well, larry, i completely agree with larry on that. no increase in general tax rates but increasing taxes on the rich. not only getting rid of the, you know, extension of the bush tax cuts but also, for example, capping home mortgage interest deductions, maybe, what, $20,000 a year? there are a lot of things that can be done that would get in my view a great deal of public support.