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Well, i would like to say hello to the viewers who joined us from now on. The subject of the higher debate is the issue of proportionality of elections in the country, but at the very beginning, in order to know what proportionality of elections is, my colleagues , we are going to prepare a report. Lets go and start the conversation at your service. On the 7th of june this year, in the process of considering the amendment of the election law of the Islamic Council, the representatives of the parliament decided to add an article to this plan. One of the most important reforms was that the parliamentary elections in constituencies of tehran, ray, shemiranat, islamsha and pardis will be held proportionally for the first time. We say that it should be performed only in greater tehran. Be experienced for a period. Proportionality of elections means that each faction has a chance to win a seat in the parliament in proportion to the participation of its supporters. It means that the seats of the majlis in the electoral district of tehran should not be exclusive to one faction. In the electoral district of tehran, which has 30 seats, it actually happens that if, for example , there are 6 million participants in the islamic shura majlis elections in this district. Four Million People to list a and 2 Million People should vote for list b with the current majority system, until today all 30 people of that first list will vote, but what we said in this resolution that we had was that those two Million People should have a share and a right in the house of the nation. According to the resolution of the parliament, any candidate can participate in the elections independently or only as a member of a list, once the result of the general election is determined. The seats in tehran province are divided among the Political Parties after deducting the seats won by the independent representatives. While there will be competition between parties, there will be competition between lists done, the competition will also be within the lists. Lists whose share of the total votes of tehran province is less than 5 will not have a share in the parliament. And with their candidates like candidates. In the process of proportional parliamentary elections in tehran, if a person is nominated individually and gets the maximum number of votes , his right to represent is reserved. Sara eini of sed and sima news agency. But i want to start this debate from mr. Qadri. Conversation we will start the debate with people who are older, but it seems that both nobles are the same age today, but considering that you are the designer of this plan and the initial idea of ​​this plan was proposed by you in the 11th parliament, why should mr. Qadri go to lets make the elections proportional, in the name of allah , the most merciful, the most merciful. I offer my greetings to the dear and respected viewers and thank you to the radio and television for discussing this issue. I would like to thank the people for their widespread participation in the elections. A discussion was raised in the 8th parliament, where we had the opportunity to attend it was suggested that we should reform the electoral system. In the same period of the 8th parliament, in fact, three plans were proposed at the same time. To the province and others, the issue of strengthening the socalled party currents or handing over part of the powers of the majlis to the shuras is fine. For some reasons, because the parliament was focused on the provincial majority electoral system, it was clear right there that the provincial majority not only does not improve the situation, but worsens the situation. The faction should vote, the opposite faction does not have any representative at all, so this issue was raised as a concern since then. I will pursue the issue again in the ninth parliament. I did some studies and at the end of the 9th parliament and in the 10th parliament, we actually proposed the proportional system of provinces and cities. In the 10th parliament, in the shura commission, what caused it was my plan, and it went and passed the parliaments vote, but there were some flaws and problems. It was entered , the reason was that they attached some patches that were not accepted by the Guardian Council , it was also logical because they were more damaged and finally the 11th parliament passed four resolutions to reform the electoral system. For the parliament , i had one for the presidency and one for the councils. There were two plans in the parliament. One was that we would bring the constituencies of two or more representatives two at a time and establish a proportional system for them, and the other was that we would come with the same proportional system. We want to have a cityprovince that, well, we saw that these constituencies have two or more representatives , and then we went to the direction of maybe two less representatives, we will go to the four representatives above, which includes exactly the socalled five constituencies of shiraz, isfahan, tabriz, mashhad, and tehran. He could finally come in we didnt hesitate to respond and finally told the tehran electoral district to follow this plan on a trial basis. Fortunately, the Guardian Council approved the suspension of monitoring because it was accompanied by amendments to the election law, because some members were skeptical about the general amendment of the election law. Finally, the return of the parliament and the conclusion of the parliament was that if we want to bring these amendments to the election law to this period , we must separate this plan, and finally, anyway , this plan was separated, of course, it went to the assembly and did not vote. Go fix iranat we held several meetings with the working group under the defense Political Commission of the expediency assessment assembly. We prepared to bring it up in the defense Political Commission and then in the Recognition Assembly, but it was too late and we insisted that it be brought up separately in the parliament again. Lets bring up the opposing currents, maybe their view is that we have now gone towards this plan , we are worried about the future of our own election, so maybe in this opportunity it is not advisable to come up with this plan. But now is a very Good Opportunity for us to start this thread again from the very beginning or in the last days of the 11th parliament or, god willing, at the beginning of the work of the 2nd parliament. Look at the plan of the electoral system that is more proportional than the one we have lived with for years. And in fact, thats what we say. Everyone has a seat based on the amount of their capital. From exactly 5 board memberships or seven board memberships , proportional to the share held by each member and the flow proportional to the exact weight of the vote that they have, seats are assigned to independent people, not only they have the right to decorate it is not possible for them to protect their rights. It has many advantages, but what exactly is the Current System that we have now . Maybe it is becoming obsolete in most countries of the world. Currently, 15 of the 195 countries in the world have a proportional electoral system. It is exactly a system that is diverse. It fully recognizes religious, political, ethnic, and tribal diversity, and the minority currents are represented alongside the majority current, and it greatly increases the participation rate. Thank you very much, mr. Kazami. You are holding an election. Yes, in the name of allah, the most merciful alrahim, i would also like to thank you and your program , as well as the dear viewers who watch your program, and thank you for the large and intelligent participation of the people in the elections of the twelfth term of the Islamic Council and to say goodbye to the orders of the Supreme Leader and once again the agreement i appreciate and thank the people of the constituency, who with the participation of over 70 of the majority in the elections, really created another honor with the system and leadership and participation in the elections, but regarding the debate. Our proportional system , you know that now with this plan that mr. Qadri and some of his colleagues kindly brought in our parliament faces two electoral systems, one is a proportional system, which is a majority system. We cannot establish laws in the country and divide the society into two parts , part of the society with one law and proportional mode, part of the society with the majority mode, for example , we have principle 64. We have a constitution that emphasizes human, political and geographical factors, that is, it takes into account all factors, the countrys geography , the countrys political sphere, the countrys human sphere, that is, a law must include all of these , we have article 88 of the constitution, which he considers representation to be personal, which means that it cannot be delegated lets vote for a list that we dont know which one we are meant for or vote for a person who is a member of a list that we later accept the person. There will be problems in the country if we can prepare the infrastructure for this , that is, we expand the countrys party system at the country level and people become members of the parties , then the party can be counted as a weight of the party in the society, not that, for example, a party with a lets come and give a share to a certain number of people. The weight of the party in the country should be known then. The people who vote are voting according to the weight of this partys share. This is a serious issue. We must keep this in mind. Another issue is that in any way, the places and countries that our friends pay more attention to are structured on the basis of the party system in the country. Another thing we say is, for example, dual if we can make the countrys elections provincial and cover the whole country. Now, cities like tehran and cities with more than 4 representatives can benefit from this proportional system. Lets implement proportionality in the country and make it a law. It should cover the whole country. We should definitely institutionalize the parties so that people become members of the parties. The weight of each party in the country is clear. Ok, in addition to another problem, you vote for the party and the party list. People with special characteristics are not members of any of these two or three parties. We say that the law should be comprehensive, complete, include the whole society and accommodate all tastes. It includes the presence of representatives of all interests in the countrys Legislative Assembly not all of the country, but for example a part of the country , we actually have a law now , which includes the city of tehran and four or five other cities , while the country has 270 seats, maybe 50 or 60 seats can be elected with a proportional system. The system part is the majority of this problem and problem, thank you very much sir. Mr. Qadiri, let me formulate now. Mr. Qazi believes that these 3 fundamental objections to this plan are one that it becomes twofold and the conditions and now our electoral formula means that it becomes both a majority and proportionality. The context of this there is a plan to form taazb in our country and another discussion is that maybe the independents will not have the opportunity to attend the Islamic Council. Your answer to this. I am in this commission and we had a lot of discussions. These objections were raised in the commission. First , i will ask for compensation in the Guardian Council, then in the high council of expediency Recognition Assembly , i received 30 more ambiguities and objections. I do. You mentioned how the socalled weight of each index is. It is not necessary for you to determine the weight at all lets say party a, for example, has 40 percent of the weight of list b, 60 percent. No, the weight is exactly based on a certain calm percentage. From the beginning, no one knows how much each party and each trend weighs. This weight is determined by the peoples vote. Secondly , you mentioned that the oppression is institutionalized in our country. Its not true, this proportional system helps to institutionalize party currents and strengthen party currents, but is it necessary at all . It is not necessary that there is a defined party , there are different currents, thats how you want it give a party a percentage of this , for example, people dont know what the share is, mr. Samesh, i explained what the share is, the percentage of the peoples opinion is clear. It is not necessary for the candidates to be members of the party, it is not necessary that these two currents are even registered as parties, this is what we have in the society now , it is not even necessary for these two currents to take into account that they must go and register themselves. You see, exactly these two flows, so to speak, two different lists, i am not a voter either i choose all my candidates from a list , i dont choose farstiger and independent people, or a combination of freesta or a combination of lists and independent people. For example, there are 2 lists or 5 lists, 100 independent people, these independent people can be in one way or 30 of them placed next to each other , a third list, a fourth list or not individually. I do not accept anyone. People who want to vote, what exactly do they vote for . If that person is a member of the list, the vote for this person is also a vote for that list, which means one point to that stage. What will they do next . They say, sir, these independent people, who came individually, which of them won 20 of the votes, who won 20 of the votes , what exactly is the share of that individual group of votes, for example 20 20 what happens in tehran . 20 multiplied by 30 seats becomes 6 seats. The individual people who raised the floor of 20 up to the maximum of 6 seats of these individual people are up for debate. You dont Pay Attention to the possibility individual candidates are very few, even if they are meritorious. If they have many, it means that it will be limited to the lists. This is another discussion. You are making a law for the city of tehran and 45 other cities. Is it really possible for us as legislators to have a twoway election system, for example, the issue of serving the majority lets talk about proportionality, sorry, in four cities of the country, there is a majority in four cities of the country, there is a majority in the rest of the country, i have a question for you, why are we coming, because no one else is a member of this party . The weight of the parties in the society should be determined this is a separate issue for you, mr. Kazami , look, the weight of the parties is not determined by the number of people who are members of the party. He says, lets start a movement at all. We dont accept the Party Movement at all. We are 30 experts from doctors, engineers, lawyers and various groups. We will form, it is not necessary that there was a party at all, not the twopart electoral system of the country. Do it like this. Yes, if you want to treat the whole country the same way, it will be the proportional system of the province and the city that was approved in the 10th parliament in the 10th parliament. He rejected it once, not because of his faults, because it was said there. The reason for the rejection of the Guardian Council was that it was said that a person can be a member of d to be the first. In the proportional system , a person cannot become a member more than one first, but in the majority system, i was now a member of 15 in the constituency, so what does this mean, so to speak look at what you mean. At one time, your personality is your power, so that many parties and different views they accept you and support you. This is a good thing. Its not a bad thing. Theres nothing wrong with supporting me. Its very easy to give me a blank space. I say , well, im right. Now you helped, but most of your contribution was a small contribution. How can you determine that exactly . This waste cant determine how far my ballot will go in my election , but when i become a member of a list, the exact weight of that list will be determined. Look, we have a problem in the country, a law that covers this society. , to include the geography of this country and the political factors of this collection take it explain this, we have different rules. For example, we make a law about scientific education, we make a law about the socalled rural people, we make a law about the cities , we make a law about the socalled soluble people , this is different from you in relation to soluble people, in relation to a a certain class in the society wants to make a law and support this by the parliament at the head of all affairs of the country. Up to 5, what is the difference between tehran and, for example , they define it as 5 constituencies, each constituency has a representative, then they say 25 will be chosen proportionally in Different Countries of this system, so i have a question from please give me an answer for the people and my viewers to know. Yes, we say that first we say that the parties should be institutionalized in the country. This is a basis and enough for proportional elections. If we can convince the Guardian Council , we will make it a law that the provincial elections will be proportional in the whole country, which means you say that the role of the share parties, the share parties, even the independents , can be seen in the law. Let there be no part of the country where proportionality is not implemented and the law is for everyone it covers the countrys geography, mr. Kazim , if you look at it, in the 10th parliament, i wrote about 3 to 4 articles about fars and khorasan in order to convince my friends in the committee of shuras and the parliament before the parliament approved it. In the case of tehran, for example. For example, in fars, we have 18 representatives , we have 15 constituencies, the constituencies of shiraz have four representatives, the rest of the constituencies have only one representative. Idiom the representatives of the subdistricts are elected exactly in the provincialcity proportional system of the district. Our main province will be the province of our subdistricts in fars. What will happen to the 15 districts, some of which have only one representative . And we talked and there were two or three stages of discussion. Even in one of the discussions you said that we will do this and eventually we will go in that direction. Let me say that we did not prepare until the end. Now that hazrat ali , we have taken the time to come to the issue of proportionality, lets work on the provincial discussion, the Guardian Council , and make laws. The issue of the parties in our commission is also a bit, for example , we have a party, how many members does it have in the country . It is a party, lets come parties and their roles are clear, just like you, we have a city party, we have a provincial party. We also have a national party. We National Parties in the country can list the local parties in their own place. Below that , they can play a role. Lets go first. Enough of the party system, introduction of the proportional system, the proportional law. Provinces, if we provide this, lets go to the law of proportional elections, the law of proportional elections that covers the entire geography of the country. Tehran should be proportional, mashhad should be proportional, but the whole country is a hundred and, for example, how many constituencies, we have 20 constituencies, how many constituencies are the total constituencies that you include, 200 constituencies, again this is the majority system, i mentioned that the most desirable system in my opinion is it is proportional to the province of the city, which covers the whole country , but it is iran because you have 290 representatives right here. My representatives look at you and what is the situation of individual representatives in local disputes , for example in the cities , what is the socalled worst person in our city . I dont know the best person in the city. There should be a chance for him to get votes in the parliament, mr. Qadri , i apologize. Mr. Qadri, in the discussion of the provincial elections, he was the first to be guarded, and he took issue with his being a provincial. The city itself should be ahead of this in the big picture, and this will become a province, a city that, in my opinion, is the concern of the representatives of the 13 constituencies that you want. He said that those 10 constituencies will be resolved. Why will it be resolved . He says that we can also vote from our own city in a province that has a provincial seat