We think that if we have a plot of land , we can build a highrise , we can necessarily build many more units. Where is the root of this confusion . Think that you have a 500meter plot, naturally, when build three stories, build three floors, it is different from your time, but when we are talking about urban development , we are talking about a site that does not just go back to that 500 meters, to our urban requirements, to our per capita supply, to the way of design. We can actually visit and this is actually an idea lets check it a little. This photo shows that if we want to build a house in a land with a density of 100 units per hectare, it is better to go to the height or better yet, it is actually short. Lets face it, the fact is that if you build in short order, the number of your units will not differ much. Do we have a practical example for this . Yes, a practical example for this issue has already been done. One of the cities around us designed a project of 8100 units. He did a revision in 300 units of this door in fact, the number of units that were reduced was 200 , out of 13 floors , it was reduced to 5 floors, but only 200 of these units have been reduced. Lets get the best out of the problem. I am at your service. Mr. Khatibi, what do you think . Well, you did the construction yourself. You were also in the engineering system. Naturally , you are here as a highranking supporter of the construction. In the name of god, i also send greetings and respect to all dear viewers. See , we should not see issues as zero and one should i come and sit in a program and say that i , bijan khatibi, am in favor of only highranking, or should i sit and say no, i agree that i can expand this on a horizontal level. Every place in our country has its own conditions. We are the biggest problem that we have been dealing with for years now. Not paying attention to the opinions of consultants who are experts in this field. That is, we are coming now that every minister who comes, every deputy who comes, anyone who comes for the decisionmaking system of our country, makes an opinion based on a series of personal interests without being able to process our upstream plans. Have control or have given good opinions , because the same plans were prepared by that government or inherited from the previous government, with previous thoughts or with its own opinions, they force its advisers to implement the plan with their own point of view. When it comes to housing , you wont find any iranian person at all. Go to the market, walk around the street and tell someone that you like building a villa or not. It is clear that every iranian person wants to have a villa. But we must have the Economic Issues of our country besides this. Is it possible for the people of our country . See us if we come, we want to provide the land to the people at zero price. Lets say we have a culture of building villas. Lets hit the roots of our cities in the name of islamic urban planning. We are 100 against this issue. Many friends give an example of west tehran town, are the prices of villas there because the land is valuable in our country . At first , they started with zero price land, but later they came to see that the land should be sold at a price of 99 years. In the same city of parand, we also had villa units. We also had a high rank, now you have to compare the price of the villa units with the price of the residential units , see the supply and demand and whether it is in terms of the economy and the ability of our people, how can they buy, this is one of the points that we should see together it happens that, first of all, it is a different issue in the geographical parts of our country. In the discussion of our territorial planning, the upstream plans that we had in the last 4050 years have gone wrong. And other Environmental Issues have arisen brought if in the initial plans of our territorial commons. We have these resources in the water issue of our country in the south and southeast of our country. We came and thinned the southeast of the country and now we have a lot of land. We have a land problem in our big cities. He understands that we have to consider a land for our future generations. Well, it is a reality. Our issue should be that we own the land we have now and leave it for Housing Construction we should definitely think about the future , that is, it should be done with a careful planning. Now, in the discussion of car manufacturing, i always had a slogan to announce everywhere that every iranian person should have a good car, but is it in the dignity of our people that they go . We need to get pride , it takes a lot of time, they are not able to do it, so between what i like and what is better , and what we can and have the ability to get is a different category, and these should be seen together , thats why. In many of our issues , it can now be called the National Youth housing plan we brought up the smallscale National Youth housing with Hotel Services in the country and we are ready to take this issue forward because right now in the discussion of the National Housing movement, one and a half Million People are registering, but the government is trying to come and pay first, come and pay in advance. Come , bring yourself, people have economic problems, people have problems , if we want to come and sit here, i will say no, everything is fine, in my opinion , we are the voice of the people, the National Media is the voice of the people. Million 14 million to build a single floor with 13 million 12 1 million more cant afford a single floor with 6 million meters. We want to build a single unit. You can calculate if our people can afford it and let me know the price of the land. I am really begging mr. Mendes. Percentage of the price. It is our construction , and we will give the land around our cities for free, and then a value system will be created for the other party. Well, for all our people, we should see one piece. In any case, thank you very much , mr. Soleimani. I thank you, sir. Khatibi mentioned some good points and indeed bob god willing, we will be able to open our discussion. In our document, about 15 of our land is habitable and agricultural. We did not necessarily live in 15 , nor did we farm in 15 . The thing that comes from the total area of settlements inside iran is that less than 2 we have occupied a percentage of this land area, which means that first we have a scale of what we want to do, then housing and urban development is a part one, in fact , it is a multidisciplinary issue. And in fact, Different Actors are involved in this issue, which means that if i dont know demographics, i might be involved in urban planning. I cant protect my land. Now our population window will be closed in 5 years and 6 years from now. If i ca nt use this population window that exists now and increase my population , i will have to endure it for 150 years until my population reaches. Now , it means that the existence of our country may be endangered in these 150 years. What if we think that i want to keep four meters of land for future generations or not . So this is the issue of population. We have to be careful and know what situation we are in now, from which angle we should look at the problem and the issue after the ground it is valuable. Yes, land is very valuable. Basically, it is the main part of our households budget. In fact , what is the main part of our expenses is housing. So if i can build housing in a way that the price is more controlled, it means that the supply of housing should be such that i can lower the price. I will increase the purchasing power, then they will use the same purchasing power, they will not drive a private car, they will drive another car, which actually has a higher safety factor. We check and compare with the number of families almost yir yir means not too high or low , the important thing is suitable housing, so here. The issue of financing will be a very significant issue, so the next question is, sir, if i build a highrise, should i pay more, or should i build a short rise, should i pay more . The building that is 68 meters long is actually 48 meters long. Did you Pay Attention to what happened, that is, it builds 48 meters to serve those 68 meters. What should i do . I actually have people who want to take delivery of this house. Now i will disable it with an additional expense and a large expense. We have a cycle. Unstable financing results in delay. In fact, we have an example for it. Yes, we came to this country one day and started building mass housing of different types. We also built which housing is left. We wanted to make it easier, it should not be made in this direction we were moving. Well, when the custodian apparatus comes, the government, when it comes, defends this idea based on an experience it has seen before, sir. If i want to deliver the housing to the right applicant at the right time , i have to build it, otherwise it will be too late. If i have time, continue. No, mr. Soleimani. Thank you, mr. Khatibi. Please, we need to look at a series of issues with a bigger perspective, mr. Soleimani. Also saying that when we have to look at our population to have water for this population, it means that we have thought about water , we have thought about electricity. Bit me to be we have known for years now that we have thought about clean air. Its just that we have to increase the population in our plan, we agree with this , but according to god, it needs an infrastructure when we know from a year ago that we dont have gas in the winter season and we dont have gas supply facilities and we have a problem. We had announced it in all our tv programs since last summer. That we have a problem for the discussion of the cold season, but all the speeches were that our situation is very good. How will they stop managing the industry this year . The betrayal we have in this country is an unforgivable sin and we have so many resources. It doesnt show itself in the short term , it shows itself in the long term. The fact that we dont care about the water of our land is sometimes possible. Lets decide, considering the problems of the infrastructure, considering the problems of water , to increase without such a method that we planned many years ago, and really think about going to fix our sources. We dont have it. It can happen again in the summer season. We dont have water, so this is all a problem. Now it is possible they say that we dont have all these things, so lets fix them first, because this is our infrastructure. Lets fix it, then lets think about the population in that future horizon, i repeat again, we are in favor of population increase, we are in favor of a villa house, for gods sake, i will go to the north, because i really want every iranian person to have a villa house , because no one can. It can be denied, but we have to weigh it with the conditions in the discussion of the price that you said , dont worry, i accept the Common Property of a part of my building. That is, you assume that it is on the ground at zero price , then you say that the high floor is better or i should go on the horizontal level. If we build a 100meter unit on a 200meter plot, the price of a 100 meter unit may be 3 million less than a highrise building. Shahreh has come with a tenth of the price , i will give it to you, i am an old man, you should sell it at a lower price, which is also a betrayal , you should give the real price. Have a show, then put the real price and collect it by building a villa now lets put the basic price on this , at any price, you want to go into highgrade construction. The price of highgrade construction is, in turn , a higher price. It is clear that it does not want an expert discussion at all, and we express this ourselves , even though in the ministry road and urban development in the organization of the system is the tariff table of the typical building. For example, we will start from seven tomans and eight tomans for a single floor and continue until it goes to highlevel construction. For example, in our 205 and 30 floors, it will reach 15, 16, 17, and 15 million. Well , see, i am repeating this topic again amashi everywhere has its own points. We believe that in the southeast of our country, until it reaches a stable point, we should move towards building villas for people. We can move towards it and have comfort facilities. In the villas we go to, we need services there, that is, we need public services. The expansion of cities in a villa includes the expansion of infrastructure , and this expansion of infrastructure includes the maintenance of that infrastructure. We have the major problems that we have now in our resources, for example, in tehran. Today we have you. We are talking about so much water in tehran. The government does not have the ability to modernize tehrans water network. This network was built 60 years ago. We do not have the ability to do this today. We were, so we still believe that in the big cities, in the cities where we have little land, in the areas where we have wornout fabric, this wornout fabric of tehran is the same today that we are suffering from this fabric. And those who those years they had such high thoughts for the country and for the pride of iran, we should kiss their hands and thank them for having such a view and let us come today to take examples of that issue in our wornout context. Regarding the lack of land in our cities and we dont want to expand too much, mr. Soleimani, mr. Khatibi has a few points to point out. One is that i said that by doing this , we are hitting the roots of the cities, and that the price of land is an important component of the wornout fabric of hipatan town. The lack of land. Please answer these. I thank you and i raised one point first and according to the forecast, we got stuck in this , that is, when we are talking about a city , we are not just talking about a 200meter plot. Lets build a much larger number of units. I will give you an example tehran city is higher or hamedan city in tehran. The number of units per hectare in the city of hamedan, chande tehran, chande tehran, about 80 , hamedan 100. They have lowrise land, build highrise buildings, dont build highrise buildings here, that is actually the bottom of a crying jar , so we should Pay Attention to these points so as not to mislead us. Look, when i build highrise buildings, i have a part of the city that i am building highrise buildings. This is the person. Who comes to this apartment to meet his daily needs, he goes here, so i make a way here, i automatically face the same problem that i have in Apartment Building , i increase your views, the same thing happens to me in urban development, i add missing space, empty space i will add that there is a bridge between the two im losing space in these earrings. Did you notice what happened . I mean, we have to deal with this image in the country a little bit, sir. Instead of saying that i am tall or short , tell me what the density of my unit per hectare should be so that i can give an answer. Now the representatives are putting pressure on the ministers that they dont want me to come to work at this time, but you have to do it, because this is the steel sector at all , when i can start my work with 31 kilos, why should i start my work with 65 kilos . I want to reduce that production i am preventing the destruction of the environment. Well, what does it have to do with alcoholism, urban development, the pattern of urban development, i mean , we are stuck, what does it have to do with highrise or lowrise, i cant provide gas , thats right , i couldnt provide water. I want to join the city of that infrastructure at a high level. Now he the existing infrastructure does not have the capacity to serve this new annexation. The government has come and followed up on several policies. If you agree , lets keep your policies. Lets go and see a report together. Lets come back to an agreement and continue our debate. Hamid reza arami, secretary of the civil and urban Development Working group the Research Center of the majlis Horizontal Development of cities accelerates the construction process. Also, since they are technologically advanced, the construction challenges will be minimized. According to the Economic Situation of the country, the higher the speed of construction, the more favorable it is. Because of this construction, it will not be involved in inflation. Sohrab mashoudi, head of the urban Development Group of the society of Consulting Engineers of iran. Considering the population growth in big cities, building highrises is a natural and appropriate solution for housing people. But this is not the case in small towns. Slow and the issue of vertical or horizontal Construction Development should be looked at in a specialized way. Farshid ilati, housing expert. The implementation of the Horizontal Development plan of cities has an effective role in reducing Housing Construction costs, and on the other hand , it provides the basis for accelerating the Housing Construction process. The Horizontal Development of cities, especially in tehran, can reduce the price of land by 50 to 60 if commercial transactions are controlled it follows that, of course, this is on the condition that the witness. Increase the supply of land. Ali asghar badri, managing director of the institute of city and economy studies although the construction of existing highrise buildings has decreased the values of residence and reduced the quality of life, the construction of high rise buildings in appropriate time and place conditions , taking into account the macroeconomy and urban economy in megacities and tehran it is necessary, but this should not be done in cities that have land and there are conditions for horizontalization. Sahar nadai toosi, professor of architecture faculty of Shahid Beheshti university, the idea of horizontal expansion of the city towards the periphery or in other words spread over the city although it can provide advantages such as providing housing and living space with quality and desirable in the outskirts of cities , but it also has disadvantages compared to middleware and innercity development. Horizontal expansion towards the periphery increases the costs of