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Here is mommy prancing around in a reenactment laughing and telling jokes. I just hit my cast gotcha. Everybody says, you sure were lucky. Welsh i dont feel very lucky. I couldnt tie my damn shoes for months. I think my kids were lucky. Her kids are lucky . Her kids have been slaughtered. By the time she goes to trial, shes pregnant on purpose. The reality set in that thats who gave birth to me. I came from a monster. According to Elizabeth Diane downs, she and her three children were shot by a strange man. I never wanted to become Something Like that, Something Like her. Mrs. Downs was wounded in the left arm and was able to drive the children to the hospital that night. A part of me was afraid that thats where i came from. Does that mean where im going . 9yearold christy shot first, dan any in the back, cheryl shot from behind and die on the way to the hospital. And the fact that i felt some sort of a connection to her was terrifying. Over the weekend rumors began to fly about the case. We have not overlooked any possible suspects. Reporters covering the story were getting hints that downs herself was a suspect. But what has occurred here is just inexcusable. I knew i could never do Something Like that. At night when i close my eyes i can see christie reaching her hand out to me while im driving. That haunts me the most. Diane downs was a case that captured the imagination and the horror of people at the time. Law enforcement Officials Say theyre waiting for 9yearold christie to remember what happened that night. This is the kind of story you you just never forget. Another chapter in whats been a very unusual crime story. And to really understand it, you have to go all the way back to 1983 when it all happened. America in 1983 still felt pretty innocent. Ronald reagan was president its morning in america kind of notion. United states as a shining city on a hill. It is mrs. Reagans interest in drugs which has helped fire up the president. Nancy reagan at the time had her own drug program. Just say no. Im on the hunt im after you duran duran had come out with a song that was very popular called hungry like a wolf. And im hungry like the wolf and we went and bought an album that we played on a record player. You might remember those things. Everybody was watching dallas. Thats the america that was unfolding at the time. Elizabeth diane downs made her star turn. Diane downs was a 27yearold mother who had just moved up to oregon from chandler, arizona. Her marriage to her high school sweetheart, steve downs, sowered before she even left arizona, and apparently that was because of her reported infidelity. She was the mother of three children, ages eight, seven, and three. Christie, cheryl, and danny. She was a postal worker. Springfield was not nearly as sophisticated as eugene. Theyre really twin cities, but its more bluecollar. I really like how ann ruhl introduces eugene, oregon and springfield, oregon, in her book small sacrifices. She says, eugene, oregon is the successful sister of the paired cities. Cool, slender, professional. Her restaurants serve artichokes and ricotta pie, while springfield, oregon, half eugenes size, is the sister who never graduated from high school, who no longer notices the acrid smell from logging. I think springfield it sounds cliche, but a lot of people knew each other, and you felt pretty safe there. It really wasnt a scary place. When there was a murder of something, they would always say, Something Like that doesnt happen here, but of course it does. It was may 19, 1983, when diane took her children out to see a woman that she knew. Diane didnt leave until about 9 30 at night. They leave from the friends house. Theyre driving down the road. Christie remembers that hungry like the wolf was playing. And im hungry like the wolf and she took a detour to do some sightseeing. Diane said a guy had flagged her car down. It was dark. And she had her three sleeping, young kids in the car. A bushyhaired stranger was waving his arms, and she said of course she stopped and asked him what seems to be the matter. Supposedly, the man wanted her car, demanded her keys. She said, youve got to be kidding, at which time he pushed her aside. Im on the hunt im after you and began shooting the three kids. And what she described next was this choreography where he fired one more bullet. It hit her left arm. She had pretended to throw the keys into the bushes and as he was distracted, she jumped in the car and drove away. She says at that point she drove like a lunatic to the hospital. She makes it to the hospital e. R. , driving even though she herself has been shot in the arm, bleeding. She said, quick. My kids have been shot. Come out. I can only imagine the shock of everyone at the hospital when up rolls diane downs with three bloody children. I talked to the nurses who were there that night, and they were crying. They could, you know, the tears just started to run, i dont think they even realized it, talking about those little kids coming in all shot up. Cheryl was dead, and danny and christie had both been shot and were badly wounded. When i first walked into the e. R. , immediately they pointed me to christie. When i looked at christie i thought she was dead. Her pupils were dilated. Her Blood Pressure was nonexistent. She is so close to death its unbelievable. I got a phone call from dispatch, and i was told a mother and her children had been shot. When i got to the hospital, i was directed to interview the mother. So i stopped and got out and asked him what was the problem. He said, i want your car. I said, you got to be kidding. I mean how many people really do that in real life . They dont. Her demeanor was flat. Not one tear, even though she knew that cheryl had died. I just kept saying, god do whats best. If theyve got to die let them die but dont let them suffer. Her demeanor at the hospital did not conform to a traditional grieving mother whose children had just been shot. One murdered the other two seriously clinging to life. It was surreal. When i was finished taking care of christie, then i sought out her mother, and to my complete surprise, diane was nonemotional. Not a tear in her eye. And then she says, that really ruined my new car. I got blood all over the back of it. Ive never seen a reaction like that at all. Thursday night a man flagged down a woman and her three children on the road from marcola to springfield. Friday the manhunt began in earnest. Initially, there was panic. People in oregon were like, oh, my god. There is a crazy man on the loose who would gun down three small kids in a car. This is scary stuff. People were locking their doors, and they were feeling very unsafe. Kids werent allowed to go out by themselves. Mothers didnt go out in the evening and they sure didnt take their children. It became clear that the kids were gravely injured, and from what the police were indicating, they didnt have a lot to go on at that point. There have been no sightings of either the suspect or his car. Early on in the investigation, you know, we did not have a suspect. There is still an all points bulletin out for the man. Nor did we have a weapon. Investigators found some spent cartridges by the roadside. The only evidence we had were some casings that were found at the scene. We had divers in the river. But the gun was never found. We canvassed every home up and down knocking on doors, asking if anyone had seen any suspicious individuals. They came up with a composite. And that was circulated on every news station. Elizabeth downs says a shaggyhaired stranger shot at her. Cops are racking their brains to try to put this case thats together. We are going to do a reenactment. 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Take me to your best friends house going around this roundabout oh, yeah on the sleep number 360 smart bed. It senses your movement and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. And now the queen sleep number 360® c4 smart bed is now 1,299. Save 400. Only for a limited time. Im leslie rule. My mother was true crime author ann rule, and she wrote about three dozen books on true crime. Thank you. Ann rule is the grand dame of true crime. Like her fictional counterpart, Jessica Fletcher on murder, she wrote, ann rule is a bestselling crime writer who sometimes gets involved in the subjects she writes about reallife killers. Ann rule died in 2015, but we spoke with her in 2010 about this case and the book she wrote on this case called small sacrifices. It was the story that changed my life. Several parts of diane downs story made no sense at all. What mother takes her kids out late at night in the dark for a sightseeing scenic drive on an abandoned road . What mother then stops to see what a man standing there would want . People started wondering, why is the mother only shot in the arm and the children have fatal and critical injuries . She had taken the time to carefully wrap her left arm in a towel while she drove to the hospital. Would you do that as a mother . I wouldnt put a towel on my arm. Id put it on them as a tourniquet. Rip it apart. P a little suspicious, so they come up with an idea. We ask diane if shed do a reenactment for us. We simply wanted to nail down her statements. And she was more than happy to do that. Sitting in the car is Elizabeth Diane downs. She can be seen sitting in the car. And shes kind of primping, making sure that her hair looked the way she wanted it. Diane downs is trying to show the investigators exactly what happened. Im throwing the keys. Okay . Im throwing the keys. So they can understand and get the forensics right. I go like that. I got in the car, jumped in, put the keys in. Ahh, i just hit my cast [ laughter ] started the car and left. The car door shut itself. She was giddy. She laughed, she cracked jokes. I mean, shes reenacting the gruesome shootings of her three children. She doesnt seem at all upset. God. Dang, this is worse than s i caught herself. We speculated of course what she wouldve said to finish that sentence. Lwhiis wors wi myself. I can guarantee you that performance by diane downs made cops stand up at attention and take another look at her story. Apartment and conducted a search at the residence. After she gave us consent to search, we found diaries where she had written almost daily. Diane had fallen in love with a coworker. His name was robert knickerbocker. Everybody called him knick. And she fell for him big time. He was married, but he was separated from his wife, charlene, at the time. Diane was thinking that her married lover in the post office in chandler, arizona, would follow her. And when i interview said, ann, i was just so glad when i realized shed crossed the county line, headed out of here, that i never considered following her. But she was desperate to get his attention. Diane is heartbroken. So the sheriffs deputies were still investigating. And in the meantime, diane was holding court, essentially, giving interviews to reporters. I was really surprised that diane downs and her family offered to have a News Conference very early on. I am here just to appeal for people out there, if they know anything to call in. They said that they wanted to set the story right. We were just out i guess sightseeing, i guess you would say, and the kids got tired. They fell asleep in the car, so i decided to just head on home. But i saw a road i hadnt been on before we like to take back roads. We just went down that road. And there was a guy standing in the road flagging me down so i stopped. Everybody knew it didnt ring true. Pretty much a lie. Everything she was saying was a lie. She could feel that the focus had changed from this bushyhaired stranger to her. If i had shot my own children, would i not have done a good job of it . Why would i have taken my kids to the hospital . Wouldnt i have made sure they were dead and then cried crocodile tears . Thats insane to think i would do such a thing and then bring the witnesses in against myself. Thats crazy. There wasnt a camera or a reporters notebook that she didnt chase. She gave one interview in full hair and makeup after the next. Thinking that this would somehow garner sympathy for her. It had just the opposite effect. Christie woke up, and as i say, she may be the only one to get me out of this. Would i have brought her to the hospital, wouldnt she be the one that i would make sure was dead . There are too many holes in it. Her children are still suffering. Danny is paralyzed, which she continues to tell everybody, oh, hes not paralyzed. Dannys going to walk again. I dont care if we just have to will him to walk. I think hes going to walk. The doctors all say he wont, but i know that your mind controls your body and if i can love him enough and encourage him enough i believe hell walk. And christy suffered a stroke. In my experience, if youve had a stroke of that nature, usually its hard to recover. It was a long time before i heard her talk. Now even though little christie lying here in a hospital bed couldnt speak, the nurses noted that every time diane down came into the room her vitals spiked, went off the chart, when she would sense her mother was in the room. The children were never back in dianes custody. The state of oregon removed them and they were placed in foster care. This is an Eyewitness News special report. In her own words, Elizabeth Diane downs. Good evening, im ann bradley. When we got to talk to her, i said she could bring her lawyer to the interview that we wanted to do. She showed up by herself. And i said, gotcha. The anne jaeger interview really helped diane downs dig her own grave. When this man shot my daughter, my first reaction was to snap back to my childhood, to the pain that had happened to me back then, my marriage, my entrapment by society. This man was bigger than me, he was stronger than me, he had more power because he had a gun. And i stood there and looked at christie reaching, and the blood that just kept gushing out of her mouth and what do you do . She used the word i or me so many times in that interview, youd never know her three children had been shot. Everybody says, you sure were lucky. Well, i dont feel lucky. I couldnt tie my damn shoes for about two months. It was very painful, it is still painful. The scar is going to be there forever. Im going to remember that night for the rest of my life whether i want to or not. I dont think i was very lucky. I think my kids were lucky. If i had been shot the way they were, we all would have died. Her kids are lucky . A child is dead. Two children are grievously hurt. And the kids are lucky . Its extraordinary. She could work things out in her mind so that they work for her. She wrapped so many layers of lies around her, she didnt know herself anymore, what was the truth. The more she talked, the better. Diane downs had a penchant for wanting the publicity, to talk, and the more she did, so the tighter the noose around her neck became. Even as things arent adding up, youre still presented with the question, what on earth would cause a mother to shoot her own children . So at that point police decide to go back to those diaries. There are pages and pages about how in love with knick she is, and how she wants to be with knick. So the question is, is that enough of a motive to actually kill her three children . Air wick at air wick, we know that, in nature, scent comes in waves gently and beautifully. Air wick essential mist is an expression of nature. 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Even her own father questions le are s she telling the truth . I made the comment, it looks to me like diane did it. Because the children have been shot in the chest and diane has only been shot in the arm. If i had shot my own children, could i have not done a good job of it . It was such a shocking story that little kids, theyd look at their mothers as if they were thinking, well, you wouldnt shoot me, would you . When i go to bed i cry at night. Even now i still cry. I dream about cheryl. I talked to her for about two hours on camera. And she didnt cry. It was uncanny that she didnt cry. And, i mean, i wanted to cry. Downs is now expecting another child. It was a shocking revelation. I got pregnant because i miss christie and i miss danny and i miss cheryl so much. Im never going to see cheryl on earth again. Nobody could believe she was pregnant. This is a woman whos suspected of trying to kill all three of her children and succeeding with one of them, who is pregnant again . The contrast is extraord yldn, but you can replace the effect they give you. And they give me love, they give me satisfaction, they give me stability. They give me a reason to live and a reason to be happy, and and thats gone. They took it from me. But children are so easy to conceive. She didnt have babies so she could love them. She had babies so they could love her. And she said, i wasnt alone. I had somebody inside that i could talk to. Diane just loved the attention she got when she was pregnant. Apparently not so much raising kids. When i heard diane was pregnant, one of the first thoughts was, well, whos the dad . Does the father know who he is . Oh, yeah. Yeah, and thats why i wont talk about it, because he feels as privately about this child as i do. She was a letter carrier. So she was carrying mail, and she picked one of her men on her route who had good bone structure. He was intelligent, he was good looking. And she showed up at his door one evening with whiskey and some marijuana. She told me she knew her cycle so well that she knew if she had sex with this guy that she would immediately get pregnant. And it was a snap. So that guy didnt know exactly what he was getting into. While diane is busy talking herself into the prime suspect chair, police are quietly gathering evidence. Downs also says the children but liceepor claim high , velocity blood spatters were found on the outside of the car. We went to a site where the vehicle in which the child was shot was stored. Looking at it from the passenger side, i saw a blood stain on the lower door frame. Diane downs had said that the shooter leaned into the car and fired at her at her children. And if that was the case, how did this blood spatter get on the outside of the car . We believe that cheryl, the 7yearold, that was able to open the door and fell out on the ground and diane reached across the seats and shot her a second time. Then lets talk about the weapon, a. 22caliber handgun. She tells police she does not have a handgun. We discovered that she had bought a pistol and it was a. 22 and it was a ruinger. Well, bingo. They searched diane downss home and they found a rifle, and there were some. 22 shells in the rifle that had been ejected from some other weapon. I took the cartridges that were found in the rifle and examined them under a microscope, and i could see extractor marks on the rims of those cartridges. These are unique marks. They are unique to only one weapon. The markings on those bullets matched the markings on the shell casings found at the crime scene. There are so many holes in diane downs story, its like shooting a fish in a barrel. After the bushyhaired man shot all of her children and she got away from him, she raced, pedal to the metal, to the hospital, to the emergency room. But guess what . Theres a problem with that. The police find a witness who stated that he actually came up behind diane on a road and she was driving so slowly that his speedometer was not even registering. What was she doing . Waiting for the other kids to die . Is what she was doing. Thats how evil she was. Police are obviously looking for a motive in this case, and so they go back to the diaries. When you read diane downs diary, you read, knick, nobodys ever been able to take your place in my heart. My kids arent any trouble. Knick liked kids. But he said, i didnt want to be diane considered the kids to be a hindrance to knicks arrival, and as along as he ni father to anyones children, they had to go. If she didnt have these kids in the way anymore, she could have her lover that she was having trouble living without. When you look at mothers who kill their children, their own narcissism and desire to lead another life without these children basically overrides any caring that they may have. At night when i close my eyes i can see christie reaching her hand out to me while im driving. And the blood just keeps coming out of her mouth. And that, maybe it will fade, too, with time, but i dont think so. That haunts me the most. Police have been gathering evidence, enough evidence that they think its time for another interview with diane. And in this one the story completely changes. Diane now is stating that there were really two people that confronted her and even called her out by name. Thats a hell of a change from what you said the first time around. Do you want a charge . Yeah battery charging. Thank you so much. Battery charging. I see your face looking into mine and when you make me smile meet acqua panna with its unique journey through the nature of tuscany. I feel much better acqua panna. Meet the smoothest taste on earth. People, our sales now appla new low 10 frames. At visionworks, our sales are good on over 500 frames. Why are you so weird . 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It was the time that we decided to take her on and seriously challenge her on the inconsistencies in her story. Diane, youre story stinks. This whole thing has stunk. Then you better go get some deodorant. It stunk from the beginning. Im sorry. We no longer have some sort of by the chance, happenstance horrific crime on the side of a road. We have a conspiracy. The story had morphed into two suspects, and they referred to her by name. And then somehow she said, i think it was somebody that knew me. Youve changed it by saying that this guy knew you now. He knew your tattoo. He knows about you. He threatened you. Thats a hell of a change from what you said the first time around. There was no reason for you not the say that at the very beginning. Okay, no reason in your mind. I understand when witnesses or victims add onto their story, they tell you something they never said before, but to change your story, thats a horse of a different color. I have one man sitting here looking at me with a face of stone. I have another over there smoke a cigarette 90 miles per hour. Youre not my best buddies. I wouldnt go drinking with you. Do you feel guilty about what you did, diane . No, cause i didnt do anything wrong, and i wouldnt change it if i could. My kids and i always took the back roads. One of the keys to interviewing someone is youve got to keep the tension up and stress them out to the point where they eventually get to the truth, which clearly doesnt happen with diane. But thats the goal. We are trying to find out who shot your kids and im doing what i can. Fine. I agree. If it was you, you are going to take the fall for it. I agree. If it wasnt you then, im going to quit this job. The interview went for approximately two hours. And towards the end there her frustration level was rising. Ill make you a deal. Okay . Next time i remember something, [ bleep ] ya. You can find the guy yourself, cause i know i didnt do it. You can chase your little tails for the next 20,000 years if thats what it takes. You dont like my help, you can [ bleep ] it. Youre real confident with yourself. Arent you . I know that i didnt do it. Diane thought that she was too smart for us and that there wasnt anything that could that could trip her up. Come on, diane. Its your turn at bat. Since you guys seem to think that i should have brought the guy in with me, ill go get him myself and ill bring him back, because i know who did it. You do know who did it . Yes, i do. I damn sure do. You know him by name . Yes, i do. You saw him shoot your kids . Thats pretty important. I saw him grab my arm and yank my arm out and shot my arm and say, now try to get away with it. And im leaving cause i know who did it. Bye. The time is now 17 46, and diane has just departed the office. We are concluding the tape. She ended up storming out. There was enormous public pressure to arrest diane downs. People no longer bought her story. These are the internet, but believe me, there make an arrest. Ff tot of toesuthe w no or a long time be the da in this case really, really wanted to hear from the only witness who knew what happened. The wait on the arrest was the result of wanting christie to be healthy enough to take the stand and testify. After the stroke she had difficulty speaking. Time is on our side, especially with the recovery of christie. Lets not trade certainty of a conviction just for the expediency of getting an arrest. At first, christie couldnt speak at all and then she was afraid to talk. A therapist asked christie to write down on a piece of paper who shot her. He said, write it down and well put knit fireplace. And that went on for a very long time. And every time, shed write a name down on this piece of paper. And then shed throw it in the fireplace. One day, she didnt throw it in the fireplace anymore, and she gave the envelope with the name of the person who shot her to her psychiatrist. Of course, the the slip of paper said, my mom. And diane was indicted. And once that indictment came down. Diane was arrested on feb 28, 1984. 9months after she shot her children. Seeing diane immediately after the arrest and even there were photographs of her. She was acting like this at the time, looking adoringly at the deputies who were escorting her. Didnt seem shocked. Didnt seem traumatized. Shes was bathing in the spotlight that was afforded to her throughout this. Shes been out free for so long, she was an uncharged suspect for nine months. It was like something out of a bad madefortv movie. You have the defendant in the murder trial walking in very determined to prove shes innocent and very, very pregnant. Since my dvt blood clot i was thinking. Could there be another around the corner . Or could it turn out differently . I wanted to help protect myself. My doctor recommended eliquis. Eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot. 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Shes accused of killing her children, and shes pregnant with another one. Well, the visual, i mean, its just counterintuitive. She looks like lady madonna with her blonde hair and the blue maternity dress and the big belly. Everything about her screams motherhood and softness and nurturing. The idea that diane is visibly pregnant during the trial is not particularly helpful for prosecutors. What was a jury supposed to think . Who wants to send a pregnant mom to jail for life . The courtroom was packed every single day. It was kind of mayhem. Every morning, there must have been 100, 150 people, mostly women, lined up to attend the trial. Diane downs was one of the first stories of mothers killing their children to make national news. Remember, this trial was before the other notorious cases that would come. This was before andrea yates. A houston mother says she killed her five young children, drowned them apparently. It was before susan smith. It was a drama that gripped the nation for weeks. A distraught mother who claimed a carjacker had kidnapped her two young sons. Whoever has my children, please bring them home. Susan smith has been arrested and will be charged with two counts of murder in connection with the deaths of her children. In the diane downs case, diane faces the issue of her daughter christie who survived testifying against her. Thats a big, big piece the other two cases did not have. As soon as the trial started, we all wondered, will christie testify . Every day, it was kind of touch and go. Would she be able to do this . The prosecution had their doubts about putting her on the stand. Its tough to do. Prosecuting attorney fred hugi would paint a picture of a woman obsessed with a married man who didnt want kid and would only see her when kids werent around. The murder trial, it was actually depicted later on in a made for tv movie, made off of ann rules book, small sacrifice. That woman doesnt love. Starring none other than Farrah Fawcett in her heyday. And im hungry like the wolf Farrah Fawcett did an excellent job of capturing diane downs. One of the things i will never forget is when they played the tape of the song hungry like the wolf, and her reaction to the song was very similar to dianes reaction in the actual trial. This is the music that her children were shot by. And she is sitting in her chair, bopping her head and moving her foot. Diane was dancing and tapping her toe. She was enjoying it. The jurors just turned around and just stared at her. It was chilling, freaky, out of place. Its insane. Its evil is what it is. During the trial, the police and the prosecutor play the various interviews they had with diane. Christie was laying in the back seat just choking on her d her to roll over on her stomach so that she wouldnt she was drowning. She was just drowning in it, god. The jurors were able to listen to the flat emotion as she recounted the sequence of events and the shooting. There were no tears. They told me that cheryl was in pretty bad shape and probably might not make it. And i said, okay. The prosecution begins to present its forensic evidence. The crime scene specialist from the Oregon State Police jim pex created this reconstruction. They had a mockup of the car, of the red nissan that diane was driving. And they had rag doll images of christie, cheryl, and danny. I could mark where the bullet strike was in the vehicle, where the blood spatter patterns were found, cartridge cases were found. A key piece of evidence is the blood spatter found on the outside of the car, because diane had said there was no shooting on the outside. Pex also analyzed blood on downs car door and rock panel and found that cheryl downs had been shot once outside the car. Then theres that ballistics evidence that prosecutors say links shell casings found at the crime scene with bullets found at dianes home. All the bullets had been in the same gun at one time, a. 22caliber semiautomatic ruger, the murder weapon thats never been found. Prosecutors call in that driver, who was right behind a red car that looked just like dianes car, on the night of the shootings. The red pulsar was moving less than 10 miles per hour. Prosecutor fred hugi says downs drove slowly so the children would be dead on arrival. Prosecutors have blood spatter, theyve got ballistics, theyve got witnesses. But nothing is more important than the testimony of 9yearold christie. Theres a long list of witnesses that will be called in this trial including her daughter, christie. The day that she walked in and sat down on the witness stand, you could hear a pin drop in the courtroom. The entire case was in the balance here. What would she say . How effective would she be . 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The News Coverage shes on trial for murdering one child and shooting the other two. No one put it past diane downs to either track those children down and take them or kill them. Im hungry like the wolf as far as im concerned if they wanted to shut me up they should have killed me. Shes now up for parole, too, just like carolyn warmus. Diane downs trial, for the aggravated murder of cheryl and attempted murder of her other two children, danny and christie, started a year after the shootings. Do you understands is in a lane county jail is on for murdering her 7yearold daughter, and shooting her other two children. Christies testimony was absolutely crucial. When 9yearold christie walked through that courtroom, everyone knows this is going to be the critical moment in the trial. There are no cameras in that courtroom, so all we have are sketches. Her head is just a little bit above the witness box. And her voice is trembling at first. A made for tv movie small sacrifices dramatically depicted when christie took the stand. Who shot you . My mom. Her mothers looking at her and expecting i truly believe that christie was going to protect her, but christie said, mom, stopped the car, got out, got something from the trunk, she came back and she knelt on the front seat and she shoteryl she shot me. Christie downs was asked by prosecutor fred hugi, do you know who shot cheryl . Christie said quietly, yes. The prosecutor struggled to keep his own composure. Who . The young girl sobbed, my mom. Hughie asked, how do you know that christie . She said, sobbing, i watched. The jury was also emotionally bruised by her testimony. Many of the nine women were crying. I mean, there wasnt a dry eye in the courtroom. It was just miraculous that she was able to get up there and be so strong and a witness to the truth right in front of her mother. As for the defense, they suggest that the ballistics evidence could have been planted and that christies testimony was coerced. This is an uphill battle for the defense, but with the jury, you never know whats going to happen. The jury still has to believe that a mother would in fact murder her own children. The moment of truth came early sunday morning. Word came the downs jury had finally reached its decision. Spectators jammed into the courtroom. The 28yearold springfield mother was escorted quietly through the courthouse to hear her fate. So the trial itself lasted about six weeks, a total of 500 pieces of evidence. We finally got word that there had been a verdict. And diane downs is gonna find out what the jury believes about her guilt or innocence about what happened that night. The jury comes back. Unanimous. Guilty. The jury delivered its guilty verdicts on all five counts of murder, attempted murder and assault. That was so intense that the whole press row was trembling. And diane took it more calmly than we did. We were happy with the verdict. We were pleased with the verdict. We were taking a monster off the street and putting her in prison where she belonged for the rest of her life. Downs showed no emotion as she was guarded back to the asd verdict. Diane downs is taken out of the courtroom in handcuffs and heavily pregnant. And everyone wondered and worried what would happen to the baby . Shes nine months pregnant and past due now. Ten days after dianes conviction, i accompanied diane to the hospital. After the birth i went into delivery room. Diane was holding the baby. And oddly enough, she let me hold the baby as well. About the only thing that i thought was, weve saved this babys life. Shes got a chance for a normal life. Afterwards a caseworker arrived and took the child, and that was the last that diane saw her. Diane showed no emotion when that child was removed. Diane names her Amy Elizabeth and within hours after giving birth, shes back in jail. To await her sentencing. Diane downs was diagnosed with three personality disorders histrionic, narcissistic, and antisocial personality disorder. So diane was a sociopath. They have no regret, they have no compassion, empathy. Thats insane that someone thinks i would do such a thing. This is someone who believes that there are rules in society but that the rules dont apply to them. I can only think of one other case where a mother killed her children in order to be with someone else in a romantic relationship, and that would be susan smith. Its just so rare. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. Dianes surviving kids, christie and danny, were actually adopted by the prosecutor, fred hugi and his wife, joanne. Its very, very unusual. I dont think ive eve a prosecutor adopting the defendants children. He adopted the victims. And i think thats really heartwarming. After diane downs was sentenced, she goes to prison. What nobody knows is that within hours after being born, that baby that diane named Amy Elizabeth is whisked out of the hospital and secretly driven to a hotel room. She met her brand new parents, the babcocks. Jackie, stayathome mom and her new father chris, whos a chemist. And then they went off and started their new life. The babcocks call their baby rebecca, and shes known now as becky. When the Adoption Agency contacted you, you must have been surprised when they told you we have a baby for you, but its diane downs baby. Well, uh, surprised, yes. Obviously you knew who diane downs was. We saw this as a child needing a loving, nurturing family, and we were willing to do that. What do you remember about the first time you set eyes on her . Oh, gosh, she was adorable. She was the typical little perfect baby. From the moment that the babcocks brought their new baby home, they were determined to keep her biological identity a secret. They had just adopted this beautiful baby. They were thrilled to have her. And no one needed to know who the birth mother was. I think we kind of maybe subconsciously watched for any signs of anything unusual early on. We never saw them. That can be true with any person. You dont know what their genes, how its gonna be manifested. Basically, uh, we just raised her like we would a regular child. But when becky was in preschool, the unthinkable happened. The station called me and said, anne, diane downs has escaped. What . What do you mean . How could this be . Diane downs convicted child killer had escaped from prison. Just where diane downs is headed is anyones guess. I was incredulous. This was one of the most notorious female inmates in the state. And somehow shed gotten over the wall. 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Her escape was not a surprise. Shes extremely evil, dangerous, narcissistic. You name it. This was one of the most notorious female inmates, and somehow shed gotten over the wall and escaped. I think she was in this vicinity where the workout area is. And the information i have is that she had a coat, and when she went up the wire, she threw the coat on the barbed wire and then went on over. She was ingenious and she was really lucky. She scales a 16 foot fence, manages to get through the barbed wire, jumps all the way down. And then she hides underneath a r d takes f that top. This is dianes shirt. Convicted murder diane downs left behind her ripped blouse. Evidence of her struggle to break out of the maximum security facility. The same shirt she wore during an interview with Eyewitness News in 1983. There are holes here that indicate that this was cut or torn on the barbed wire. Downs got a ride with a salem couple who recognized her and dropped her off at 24th and state streets minutes later. Although sightings have been reported since then, shes still on the run. She has now gotten to the other side of the prison fence and nobody has caught her. Downs was dropped off at this Family Restaurant about one mile from the correctional facility. Police believe she then traveled on foot into town. And that was the last sighting we had. It was unbelievable that this woman, who had been convicted of shooting her kids and killing one of them was now out on the street again. An all points bulletin went up when she escaped. I mean this was huge a convicted child killerescapin. There was a massive manhunt. We notified the airport, bus depot, train any mode of transportation that we thought she might use. There were wanted posters up in 14 different states, including arizona, where she once lived and where authorities feared she, like, might go back to her exhusband. Everybody was looking everywhere far and wide. We had established a reward fund in hoping the shirts would come out and aid in her capture. There were sightings all over the country, thousands of miles away, of diane downs. We were following up on lots of tips, and they were coming from all over oregon and the united states, as far away as wisconsin. It was frustrating. Because nothing was panning out. Diane, i think, will head towards a border, to get out of the country, some place where she can be lost, where she can start a new life. You would have to consider her dangerous because its pretty Common Knowledge she is serving time for murderer and attempted murder. The fear was that, in the beginning, that she would try and make it back to her children. The prosecutor, fred hugi, slept in a rocking chair near his front door with a loaded rifle in his lap. Because diane had escaped from salem, which is only about 66 miles to his house. And no one would put it past diane downs to track those children down and either take them or kill them. Nobody was more afraid probably than jackie babcock, who was beckys adoptive mother. She really feared that diane would be coming back to claim her baby, who was now in preschool. When we interviewed her in 2010, she told me that living with that fear day in and day out was just incredible. That had to be a scary thing for you and your family. It was definitely a little scary. Were you afraid she would come back for the baby . We didnt know. The precautions that we took were to let people know that were coming in contact with becky, her daycare person, her babysitter. So you were forced to share that. For beckys own safety, yes. Just to let them know not to release her to any person that they didnt know and who we had not given permission. In the end, she had not fled the state or even the jurisdiction, as most people would do. She was just a few houses away from the jail. Where she shows up on the doorstep of a man named wayne seefer. She said, can i stay . And i said, why not . A couple hours later, she came up and introduced herself, not as diane downs, but just as a girl with no clothes on. So that was a good enough introduction for me. She found a warm bed, the husband of a fellow inmate. They wrote out on a sheet of paper where he lived, what his address was, and they made a map. Diane takes that piece of paper and runs with it. But she probably wasnt expecting her to get so cozy with her husband. What were those days like . Well, i was a nervous wreck. My only job was to keep her there, keep her from going out and harming anybody. I should have turned her in, but i didnt. Shes found refuge in a house with a group of guys who have in the meantime cops are working around the clock try to find them. At some point, detective loren glover researches dianes cell and comes up with a clue that may well lead to where she might be. I found a clipboard that had some penitentiary stationary on it. It was blank stationary. And when i looked at it in the lighting that i had, i thought i saw some indented writing on it. It all comes down to the Little Things and not overlooking them. They went the extra mile to find out whats on this piece of paper. This actually is the photostatic copy that was made by the fbi of the map that i found in diane downs property. On the map, you can see a line going through from top to bottom, and i believe that indicates state street. Up on top, theres a address as to where the house was that she was found in. It was a tuesday morning, the police were look for her. Kinda heard a commotion. There was like 40 of them, and they came up with guns to my face. She was found ten days later. Guess where . Locked in a bedroom with another man. Didn what we stowed start with. Just stood there like she didnt know what to do. Finally she came out and we took her into custody. She was gonna grab a bb gun and just go suicide by cop. But i said, dont do that. And she put the bb gun down. And she went witho turned her hands over and put her hands behind her back. She walks out in his shirt and his boxer shorts. Thats diane. Diane downs arrested. Convicted killer diane downs was captured at a salem house just blocks from the prison. I thought she was the most honest girl i ever talked to in my life. Doesnt that sound weird . It made perfect sense that she wouldve holed up and tried to get pregnant. I mean, that wouldve been her m. O. It was the escape of diane downs from prison that forced beckys parents to tell people in their lives who becky really was. And thats a tough secret to keep. For years. Especially once becky grew up and was a curious preteen with lots of questions about, whos my mom . I went to barnes noble. And i found the book. I opened it and looked at a picture. It was a face to what i had been looking for. Get t that butrfl . Shes not a baker. 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Farrah fawcett was nominated for an emmy for playing diane. When i was reading the book, i thought i dont relate to this woman in any way. So when we were filming, every instinct that i would have, i would do the complete opposite. People all over the country knew who diane downs was now, but there was one person who didnt know, and thats her biological daughter. Growing up in bend was amazing. My parents were always there. It was honestly picture perfect. We were constantly on the go. Mt. Bachelor was right by so, we skied all the time and hiked. My dad taught me to ride a bike. My mom taught me to ride horses. I was just like any other kid, and we were just like any other family. She thinks shes a normal kid just like any other, but shes not. I was adopted. But i know at about 8 years old i started asking questions about the adoption. There was just a little part of that was searching for that blood tie in a sense. I never had questions about my biological dad. It was mainly about my biological mom. You know, what did she look like . What did she do . Beckys parents really gave her the least amount of information that they had to. Enough information to answer the curious questions of a child, not so much as to upset her. I told her that her mom was in jail. I didnt give her any details as to why. Um, and thats pretty much it. I told her i didnt have a lot of background information. It just seemed to come out in bits and pieces. I wasnt forthcoming with the entire story. Once i knew a little bit the curiosity set in. And i just went on this search. I wanted to know more. She ended up tricking her babysitter into giving her her moms name. I went to her and started telling her Little Things that i knew that made it seem like i knew more than i did. But i left it pretty vague. So she came back with, oh, so you know who diane downs is. And at that point i had a name. So with that i went to barnes noble, and i found the book. It was almost like slow motion, walking down the rows of books. I think every emotion went through me before i even pulled it off the shelf. I opened it, and looked at a picture of diane downs sitting at a table. It was a face to what i had been looking for. And it wasnt a face that i wanted to see. The cold look in her eyes scared me, and seeing her hands that, you know, were just like mine, the reality set in that thats who gave birth to me. And it was scary. I slammed the book shut, and i left. I shut it out. I didnt want to think about it anymore. I was too young to know that. I should never have dug so deep and tried so hard to figure out who my biological mom was. But as i got a little bit older that fear became excitement. And i saw that when i confided in someone about the book or about her being in the newspapers, and that sort of thing, they took interest. People would want to know more. They would want to be around me. Eventually becky tells enough people that when shes 16 years old, a boyfriend of hers basically sort of tricks her into watching a movie with him. He pops in a vhs tape of the movie small sacrifices. It just started playing and i couldnt look away. I wanted to. I did not want to see that, but i could not look away. Seeing the baby that diane downs had and seeing her hold it in the hospital. That was me. It broke my heart. It maybe it even broke me. After seeing that movie, her life goes in a downward spiral. I had already started being a little rebellious, and at that point, it there was no holding back anymore. The drugs got more intense. I wasnt living at home at that point. I was living with my boyfriend or living with friends. I dropped out of school. She was searching for identity. She wanted to know who she was without having to face who her biological mother was. She was lost and she was alone. Becky started wondering, how much am i like my mom . 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I would leave him with his aunt and go run amok. And instead of him having my full attention, i was still out being a teenager. My second son, he was born in 2006. Becky feels like she cant care for that baby. She doesnt have the means. Shes already got one child. This time she chooses adoption. This is how becky came into the world. There was a parallel there, that history is repeating itself. It was the hardest decision ive ever had. And i put him up for adoption because i loved him, not because i didnt want him. Holding him was heartbreaking. Because i knew that i couldnt keep holding him. It just it takes a piece of you. And i wanted to connect with somebody. It made me think about diane. And i actually wanted to reach out to her. I wanted to know how she felt. I wanted to know if she loved me, if she wanted me, if she connected with me before she had to give me up for adoption. I had dated a guy who took an interest in the story and had actually tracked down diane, where she was in prison. He had given me the address. I decided to reach out to her. The first letter i wrote diane, i mustve written a hundred times. I was nervous. It was exciting. It was scary. I wanted to relate to her not as a mother, because i had a mother, just as somebody that felt the pain and emptiness that i felt in that time. Diane wrote back fairly quickly. She still loved the attention, needed the attention, and initially responded positively to her daughter writing to her. When i looked in the mailbox and saw her letter, it was like pandoras box. Do i open it . Do i throw it away . Did i make a mistake . Is she crazy . Does she hate me . Does she love me . This is a woman whos killed her own kid. What is she going to say now to the one child who had reached out to her . I didnt just tear it open and start reading. I sat and i thought about it for a while. I chose to open that letter. October 16, 2006. Dear rebecca, received your letter this evening and wanted to write immediately but wasnt exactly certain how to begin. You look like me, same chin. Dont you hate it . You are beautiful. Well, that proves it right there. The first letter seemed to possibly have that connection i was looking for. I could almost hear her voice in her letters. Becky and diane wrote back and forth, and i think it was pleasant. But then the letters kept coming. And they were strange, to say the least. They progressively got more and more insane. Just know that someone very powerful has been watching over you all your life for me. Unless there was something that diane could manipulate or get out of becky, unless becky would stand up for her and be her cheerleader, she was going to smack her down, and it was just a matter of time. In one of my first letters to diane, i asked about my biological father. I thought, this is the only person who can actually tell me who he is. And she didnt want to hear it. Diane reacts angrily. She also starts to become a little unhinged and starts talking about conspiracies and plots and basically reveals how mentally ill she is to her daughter. She started writing back about, theres people that want to harm me. She sent 12 page of how shes innocent. This may all sound very melodramatic to you, but the reason my daughter was hidden was for her safety. She told me that if i loved my little boy, id take him far away from there. That was gutwrenching. Her own mother had absolutely no maternal feelings and actually very ugly things to say about becky. I dont know who you are, rebecca, but you arent our daughter. She wrote back accusing me of being a part of this conspiracy and accusing me of being one of the people trying to harm her. And at that point, i completely regretted everything, any contact with her. And so i put a stop to it. Do you have any questions that you wonder about . Becky wanted to know who her father was. That was her main question. Ive met your father. 6, 7, 8 big dreams start with small steps. But dedication can get you there. So just start small. Start saving. Easily set, track and control your goals right from the chase mobile® app. Chase. Make more of whats yours®. Rebecca babcock has been keeping a closely held secret for most of her life, and then she decides, i need to let this out. It was a secret that i controlled since i was 11. For so long i ran from the fact that i was her daughter. And i finally decided that enough was enough. The pressure i felt of being diane downs daughter growing up switched into power. So, after a lifetime of really living privately, becky decides to tell the world her story. She does a big interview with Glamour Magazine and then sat down with me. So at what point did you actually really find out what happened . I was about 11. I knew she had done some bad things. That was my First Experience being on television, and it was terrifying. When i sat down with becky, it became very clear that this was a woman determined to take her personal narrative in a different direction. And i think felt that the only way to deal with the reality of her life story was to take ownership of it and to do it publicly. Did you feel ever any kind of relationship or feeling about her as a mother . I have never referred to diane downs as my mother. She has always had the name biological. I was ready to let the world know that you can write your own story, that you can be whoever you chose to be. There was a lot she didnt know about her mothers life, and we introduced her to the one person who had done Exhaustive Research on all of this, which was ann rule, who had written the best selling book, small sacrifices, about diane downs. If anybody could answer some of beckys questions perhaps it was ann. Im so glad to meet you. I always wanted to meet her. One of the questions i had for ann rule was who my biological father is. Ive met your father. Really . Yeah, and hes a lovely, nice guy. Yeah. Handsome, gentle. Just horrified that she tricked him. She barely knew him. I think they were only intimate one time. She told me that only her and diane downs know who he truly is and that she was sworn to secrecy. She promised diane that she would never tell anybody. She took it to the grave. The one thing i think becky really wanted to learn, she walked away empty handed. Like ive met the half that i came from thats the monster, you know, and i hope the other half is a decent, kindhearted person. Oh, he is, he really is. Becky had a lot of questions, in particular about what it was like in the moments after she was born. How long did she hold me . I think about six hours. Really . Because i have heard three, i have heard four, i have heard none. No, she held you. Hearing that diane held me in a sense made me uncomfortable, but also there was something beautiful about it. It was definitely the moment of humanity that i was searching for from diane. Unfortunately going public invites not just support, but criticism. There were a lot of detractors accusing her of being out for her five minutes of fame. Thats the world these days. People take shots. Social media back in 2010 was big, so i had a quite a few people reach out, and lots of them were very positive. But there were the few that were not. N 2010 Becky Babcock was the mother of a 7yearold son. She was a straighta college student. Basically, she was trying to figure out what she wanted to do with her life. Ive definitely had a lot of ups and downs. I actually spent a year completely bedridden. I had to find my own strength to get over it, much like i found my own strength to get over diane downs. I started doing yoga. I started meditating. And i started being healthier. Im a Behavioral Health coordinator. I help children and their families find counseling. I love working with kids. Its shaping our future. Its, you know, the next generation of leaders. What did you learn . Math. Did you have a good day . I had a great day. Her son is now a sophomore in high school and does jujitsu and knows that his mothers birth mother is diane downs, the notorious child killer. Im very indifferent about a lot of things. The past is the past and its just kind of move on with it. Doing good, kiddo. I compare where i was at that age to where he is. And my heart overflows with joy. We just enjoy spending time together. Walking the dog, hanging out at home watching a movie, eating popcorn. Im Becky Babcock. Im not diane downs daughter. And my story is not the story of a victim. Its just part of where i came from. So, its been around 35 years since diane downs was found guilty of murder. I have looked for my daughters murderer. 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Talk to your doctor about chantix. 20 20 repeatedly tried to get diane downs to do an interview for this program. She did send a letter where she said quote, theres no reason ill ever do another media interview. Diane downs has been before the parole board twice already in the state of oregon, and both times the parole board has rejected her appeal for release. Some would say with good reason. Diane sounds unhinged. Im an intelligent woman. Youve seen my iq. Its three points shy of genius. Im not a stupid woman. She gets another chance before the parole board in 2020. To this day diane and some of her family members still maintain her innocence. But i would hope that in 2020 diane would be evolved enough as a human being to say shes sorry. To apologize to her children and to becky and to all the people that shes hurt. Sincerely. And then if i were the parole board, id keep her in prison for another lifetime plus 50 years. I dont think diane downs is ever gonna be paroled. You know, at some point the clock runs out in the justice system. At some point you do lose. The legacy for me is that danny and christie went on and had good lives, despite how they started. Ive heard that christie is a very good mother and that she has children of her own. And shes been married for a good long time. And theyve turned out to be pretty darn good people. Christie and danny have chosen to remain very private. And live completely private lives and have never spoken publically and have said they never want to speak publically. And i think there is something quite dignified actually in that. I did reach out to christie years ago. And we spoke back and forth on facebook a few times. But she eventually said that, you know, so much history has passed that she isnt interested. They want to live their normal lives without the stigma of being diane downs children. And i respect that. One of the reasons i wanted to know who my biological father was is a part of me hoped to find that normal picket fence everyday person. I have the side of diane downs. And i was hoping to find the opposite. When i was young, i worried that i would be like diane downs. As i grew up i realized nature is not going to win over nurt e nurture. My son is one of the most caring individuals ive ever met. Hes lived a lot of life in his young years because i put him through a lot when he was little, and he always comes back and says, mom, its okay. Ive learned so much from it. I know who i want to be and who i dont want to be. And hes an amazing kid. I love you. I love you too. Of the incident that cost a Sacramento Police officer her life. Next youll see the video and get new information about what