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KGO 2020 July 13, 2024

Much differently now. The plight of women in abusive relationships. There were all kinds of feminist protesters going snip, snip, snip. If she had just stabbed him to death, we never would have heard of her. Tainted love its been through the ringer. What do you need . Mark. John, are you okay to do the interview without your glasses . Can i read the questions first . No, you cant read the questions first why . cause thats not how it works. Its all a matter of what you believe. You know, i want people to understand the story, the whole story. The truth to the whole story. The whole story was a coverup. The whole court case. Lorena getting off on her charge was a big coverup. Okay. Go for it. Well start where you want to start. What was a coverup . Its one of the most talked about stories of the year. The case has struck a nerve. The sordid details of a marriage gone berserk. The bobbitts could only get more attention if they were starring in a tv movie. This case wont go away. It continues to to be in the publics mind. It really took the world by storm. The 24yearold manicurist from venezuela is accused of severing the penis of her husband, 26yearold john bobbitt, while he was sleeping. From the moment anyone heard about this story, it was, what . Because its mythic. Lorenas act was a fundamental attack on a mans manhood. It caught everyones attention. And the first thing everyone wanted to know was, why . What drove her to it . Describing what happened and what people have heard are two different things. Her defense that she came out with was that he had raped and abused her. I feel humiliated. How much more do i have to put up with this . That seems to be the simplest of narratives. The call, she cut off his penis, it took on a life of it own. Its a story that has fascinated and divided america. Do you believe him or do you believe her . What about when he was beating her up and raping her . No one cared then. I do think men and women see this very differently. Many women see it as a woman abused to such a degree that she struck out at the area that was doing her the most harm. The symbolic power of that act remains to this day frightening. And alive. And real. Its kind of the ultimate violence in the battle of the sexes that goes on every single day. Sure, there was a battle of the sexes going on then. As there is now. Were in the middle of me too. Times up. When is this going to end . Whats changed . Its the story making headlines in every hometown newspaper. Couldnt believe it. Never heard of it before. And then, of course, the fact that lorena threw it out a window. I always tell my friends, make sure youre sleeping on your belly if you get in an argument with your wife. Its not bad thing to do. The bobbitt case flirted with low culture. It disarmed high culture. Youll find references in the philip roth novels. In eminem lyrics. In the movie fight club. You know, man, it could be worse. A woman could cut off your penis while youre sleeping and toss it out the window of a moving car. Theres always that. You could almost put the story terms of of time in the middle of bookends. The bookends being the Amy Fisher Joey Buttafuoco story. And six months later after the bobbitt story was o. J. And the white bronco. Right in the middle was lorena and john. Its been 25 years. Even today, i imagine, if you walk into a store, hand somebody your credit card, you say your name. You get a reaction . I still get shocked or startled or wow. Youre the guy . Youre the guy . Yeah. Lets go back to the beginning. Tell me where you grew up. Niagara falls, new york. Born and raised there. When i was 3, i was taken away from my mother. His mother was a drug addict, living on the street and not capable of taking care of him. His father pretty much disappeared, didnt really know his father. And he and his two brothers were taken in by their aunt and uncle who already had four boys. My mother couldnt take care of us three, she had a mental breakdown. I mean, she was a nice lady. She tried to take care of all three of us, but she couldnt. My name is brett biro and im John Wayne Bobbitts brother. John is actually my cousin, but my parents took him in at a young age. So if you were to ask me again, who is john . John is my brother. Thats the way we were raised. Your uncle and your aunt took you in. How would you describe your childhood . Big family. A lot of gettogethers. We went to church every sunday. Was there love in your home . Yeah, a lot of love. Yeah. A lot of fighting. But i was always the one to break it up. You know . I was the peacemaker. What made you decide to want to become a marine . My friends joinedhe marines. And i said, oh, ill join. Something i wanted to do. And it was at a singles dance that you met lorena . Yeah. Marine corps ball. Fancy uniforms and it was at a marine corps officers club. Lorena bobbitt is born in ecuador. She is raised in venezuela. She becomes besotted with america, the america you see on kind of television and our movies. I remember she said she watched the flintstones in venezuela and even the flintstones had a microwave and they were just middle class people. And that represented something to her. In an exclusive interview with tom jarriel, Lorena Bobbitt, the woman who did the unthinkable, gives some answers. I always have this sensation that to come to america is just like a big opportunity. That this is gonna be the beginning of something. She wants to come to this country, and she does, on a student visa. She enrolls in a community college. Lorena always talked about her American Dream. And john, when you saw him in those days, in his uniform and stuff, he fit the profile of the goodlooking marine. Lorena meets john at a dance. The way lorena tells the story, theres tremendous physical chemistry. She finds him very handsome. He was a very nice guy. And we started dating. And thats how i really fell in love with him. She was swept off her feet. Tell me what you thought when you first saw lorena. I was there with a friend and saw her over there. And she looks you know, shy and innocent. And i went over there and asked her to dance. So then she can bare she can bare barely speak english. So i couldnt understand what she was saying at the time. So i go, heres my number. Lorena said he was an absolute gentleman. There was no indication of any violence or aggressive behavior toward her while they were courting. What was your dream at that point . At that point, it was more like, have a house, like a you know, it doesnt have to be big or something. Just have a little and have children and, of course, have a husband. They talked about getting married, but that marriage got rushed when her green card or visa or whatever was running out. He tells me that lorena proposed to him, and that it was in a restaurant, her mother was present, she was crying. They were suggesting that we get married because her visa was expiring. So this was a marriage of convenience. Convenience. Right. And not one of love . Did you love her . Well, i thought i did. Lorena presented as kind of the chemistry is great. Its whirlwind. Its fast. And john proposes to her. I was pressured, i guess. Had to bite the bullet, i guess. Get married. Both john and lorena agree that the marriage went into the toilet fast. He was like, i guess, different after we got married. Lorena has said that you were physically abusive to her. She said that john essentially became a monster essentially became a monster after he said i do. And now . La di da, what do we have here . Its everywhere. All because of four filthy numbers. 1 8 5 0. How do you explain this . What am i, a professor in explanation . Oh, this ones been cut with starbucks. Its not pure 1850. Arrestingly bold, yet smooth. Drop the carafe 1850 coffee. Quality thats criminal. Its time to stock up and save. 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It does have the advantage of being next door to the first battlefield of the civil war, bull run. Well, it used to be known for its civil war history. Now its known for the bobbitts. How did you feel on your wedding day . Do you remember . I was happy. We had just got dressed up and went down to the justice of the peace and had a small wedding. The first time i met her she came off as a sweet, little venezuelan girl, and theyre happy. A sweet, little innocent girl doesnt cut a mans penis off. I never really expected to have a perfect marriage. But i knew theres things that, you know, you can compromise and you cope. I think the marriage started off fine while john was still in the marines. I think the problem evolved when his enlistment was up. In 1991, john gets discharged from the marine corps, so he is kind of without a steady paycheck. And he scraps, and he tries. Hes not a deadbeat, but he seems to have trouble kind of holding down jobs. Lorena is the main breadwinner. What was lorena doing for a living . She was working as nanny for janna. And she ended up, you know, working at the beauty salon, doing nails. Janna bisutti was a business woman who owned the nail cuttery. Janna was maybe a little bit of a mother figure at that point. Lorena had oftentimes seemed to have cried on jannas shoulder and janna seems to have tried to protect her. She said she loved him and she wanted her marriage to work. She was going to do anything to try to make her marriage work. Janna was successful and had kind of a swanky house, and she had fancy cars and she had a boat. And john feels that their troubles began when lorena began hankering after these kind of material possessions. Thats what an American Dream meant to lorena. We started off in a studio apartment we could have which we could afford. We were young. We should have worked our way up. But no, she wanted more, more, more. So we went from a studio to a luxury apartment and we had two new cars. So you were living way outside your means. Way above your means . Way. What would you be fighting about . Tv. Radio. Stupid stuff. You know . We were young. Just fought over things that we shouldnt have fighting over. She was stubborn. She was selfish. And she wanted things her way. They were a couple who were tempestuous. They were tempestuous in their loves, they were tempestuous in their jealousies, they were tempestuous in their fights. How soon did you feel he began getting beyond speaking . Becoming physically abusive to you . Like, a month after we got married. One month into the marriage. Yes, yes. He was driving on the highway, he start to driving like a zigzag, and driving very fast, very fast. And i was scared, i said, im scared, please dont drive like that. And i hold the Steering Wheel so it can go straight. And he punch me. Hard . Yes, really hard. I was crying. I was very shocked. Yes. That somebody hit me like that, especially from my husband, somebody that i marry him, and i love him. She was astonished by that, cause that was something that was she was unfamiliar with in the relationship leading up to the marriage. Shed never seen that side of john. There was a big jealousy factor that set in. She knew john was goodlooking, that women might come on to him. She got upset if anybody talked to me. Any girl i or some girl i looked in the girls direction, she would get mad. Shed punch me. She punched you . Yeah. How often did she hit you . A lot. You know, shed get mad. She was just a very jealous person. Very possessive. Did not want anybody around me. I think she was always afraid someone was gonna take me away from her. Like i was her prize. And im you know, this is my man. This is my marine. This is my ticket. He would say to me every time that he was mad at me, he said, once a marine, always a marine. I remember one time i was laying on the floor, he was actually choking me. And i was crying, and i was i couldnt breathe. Reporter lorena has said that you were physically abusive to her. Yeah. Well, its easy to turn things around. I could say she was physically abusive to me. She never went to the hospital. Never had anything seriously wrong with her at all. A lot of turmoil. It wasnt, like, we were out to kill each other. You never fought back . I tried, you know, to subdue her or restrain her. Not to hit her. The pushing, shoving, a punch here, punch there. And then she said it it carried over into the bedroom, that he seemed to be very stimulated, excited by violent sex. He forced me into sex. He told me that he was that that kind of sexual sex, forced sex, excited him. And i would just cry. Like so many of the accusations that fly back and forth between lorena and john, this one is hard to reconcile. John denies he was ever excited by violent sex. 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Did you push her, shove her . Yeah, we fought. But thats not spousal abuse . I think thats fighting with each other. But you said you were strong. Abnormally strong. Of course i wouldnt hit her. I would try to restrain her. Did it leave marks when you restrained her . Of course. I mean, i may have marks on me, but i didnt flaunt them. Im sure there was more problems, screaming, yelling, arguments, thats just the way that lorena was. Ve seen her stab him with a fork in the hand. He said that she came after him with a pair of scissors. If that happened then, im sure it happened before. The two called 911 on each other quite frequently. He calls it on her, she called it on him. He said that the police will not listen to me because were married. We had responded to complaints of Domestic Violence at their residence about half a dozen times in the past few years. Only in one instance were charges brought. We arrested john and charged him with assault and battery, and he got a crosswarrant against lorena, and had her charged with assault and battery. One of the charges was nullcrossed. And the other one dismissed. There was very little difference in what they said. They had a history of abusive conduct with each other. Lorena gets into trouble apart from john. There were a couple of incidents that were very important to john. And placed a great deal of stress. Not just the altercations about fighting. But what they were fighting about. He found that she went and shoplifted. She stole a couple of dresses from nordstrom. She was caught, she had to do community service. The more egregious offense was, while working with janna, she embezzled over 7,000. And john was furious about that. Lorena would say that she did the

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