Tough love blog had a billion views, arrested with her Business Partner. Charged with six counts of felony child abuse. We knew that jody does this. We knew 14, almost 15 years ago that shes already done this. To me. Byron were warning signs missed . I was really hoping keeping them home from school and wiping the floorboards would really bring pain. Want to be an author . Spice girl horner, a young adult novel she says is a thank you to america. It was america that taught me, youre allowed to dream. Youre allowed to be anything you want. Any chance there is a spice girls tour in america . And remembering nfl hall of famer dick butkus, a linebacker Sports Illustrated once called the most feared man in the game. My most important kitchen tool . My brain. So i choose new neuriva ultra. Unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including mental alertness from one serving. To help keep me sharp. Try new neuriva ultra. Think bigger. 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Juju august 30th, a 12yearold boy shows up at a strangers house. Hes emaciated, hes got tape around his legs, hes hungry and hes thirsty. Whats the moms name . Ruby franke . Ruby franke is his moms name. Reporter ruby franke. Ironically, shed been a highflying mormon momfluencer, 2. 5 followers on her Youtube Channel eight passengers. Personal brand built around tough love. I was really hoping that keeping them home from school and wiping the floorboards would really bring pain. Reporter but now rubys 12yearold sons pain brings this neighbor to tears. This boy has been has obviously been hes been hes obviously covered in wounds. Reporter the house the boy says he escaped from, jody hilderbrands. Hours south of rubys south. Im jody hilderbrand. Im ruby franke. Reporter jody was a marriage counseling who treated sex addiction through her work with the Counseling Network life star. She joined forces with ruby franke on a Life Coaching business called connections. All of us want connection. We want to have relationships where we feel close and where theres love. Reporter after that 911 call, rubys 12yearold son and her 10yearold daughter were taken to the hospital. The police find laptops, tablets, cell phones, they find ropes, duct tape, handcuffs reporter jody and ruby arrested and charged with six counts of felony child abuse. While the arrests sent shockwaves, some who knew Judy Hildebrand had been raising concerns for years. We knew jody does this. We knew 14, 15 years ago shes already done this. To me. Reporter jesse hilderbrand, who uses they them proannounce, has spent years finding a voice after suffering what they call brutal abuse at the hands of their aunt jody. Lock me in this room, write my sins on a paper, come back in, read these sins back to me. Have me kneel on hands and knees and beg forgiveness. Reporter the 30yearold has built a life far away from a strict mormon upbringing. I grew up in a very traditional mormon household. Dad is the provider. My mom was a stayathome mom. My younger childhood was very happy. Reporter during adolescence, jesse started to rebel. The conflicts came to a head. Jesses parents decided it was best for jesse to go live with aunt jody. Without warning, this they left their teenager at a family gathering. Woke up, jody and my grandma and grandpa to tell me my life as i knew it was about to change. Reporter at first jesse says they decided to give the new arrangement a chance. After all, jesses aunt was a licensed counselor. Jody hildebrand has been one of the top recommended therapists by the Mormon Church in utah for at least 15 to 20 years. Reporter but at home, jesse says their aunt was an altogether different person. She made me sleep outside in the snow. She duct taped me. I wasnt allowed to speak to anyone. What, in theory, was the justification for the duct tape . The duct tape was, in her words, an external reminder to me that im a liar and that every word that comes out of my mouth is a lie. Juju march 2010, jesse made it to the Police Station in American Fork and filed a report against aunt jody. Jesses statements in that report echoing the story they told us, duct tape over her mouth, sleeping outside, not allowing her to talk. Police sent her to a teen safe home, but after one day, jesse ended up back with aunt jody. So after i went to the police, the punishments got more and more severe. Reporter after nearly a year of living with aunt jody, their aunt brought jesse to work. I have to like, it is now or it is never. And i grabbed that jacket, and i literally just started running. Reporter jesse never went back. With dark accusations against jody coming to light, scrutiny is also falling on her partner on connections, ruby franke. People who watched eight passengers were the ones to first ring the alarm as to this alleged abuse that were seeing now. People have been pointing out how problematic this family is for a while. When does the way a parent parents go from cringe worthy to child abuse . My bedroom was taken away for seven months, then you give it back a couple of weeks ago i dont think our viewers know that. Sleeping on a bean bag. Sleep on a bean bag since october. Reporter after the controversy, viewers were questioning rubys parenting style and her husband kevins, who often joined her on the eight passenger channel. The two have now been separated over a year. Many the viewers of eight passengers over the past two or three years became more and more disturbed and started turning ruby and kevin in to Child Protective Services in utah. Reporter in 2020, a change. Org petition requesting cps check on the children received hundreds of signatures. Impact obtained records showing Police Responded to the franke home more than a dozen times over the past few years, including several reports of juvenile problems in 2018 and 2019, and multiple welfare checks in 2022. And to the point where they felt like it was a necessity to go talk to the family, at least to the children, to find out if there was any merit to any of the allegations. Juju police who investigated the case were unable to speak to the children and filed a request for a warrant to enter the home. Even though it was submitted to the judge, the warrant was not signed and it wasnt granted. And so there wasnt much they could do at that point. Reporter cps is now being investigated for their handling of the case by utahs Child Welfare legislative oversight panel. Through his attorney, rubys husband kevin says those early complaints were nothing serious. Kevin felt like that they were just being harassed by people online calling the authorities and having to come to their home. It was just a difference in parenting style. But nothing abusive up to that point. Juju after the shocking arrest, theres a growing chorus of people laying the blame squarely on Jody Hildebrand. Its 100 jody. And i understand why the public is focusing on ruby. Its rubys children. But all of these theories and these modalities and these parenting ideas, that all comes from jody. Kevin feels like jody manipulated the entire family. Children included. Reporter since her arrest, Jody Hildebrand has given up her counseling license. Sitting in a striped prison jumpsuit, jody answered to a higher authority, a judge. Jody mann helder brant . Yes. Okay. Reporter ruby franke sat expressionless, a far cry from the bubbly momfluencer of eight passengers fame. Both ordered held without bail. Neither have entered a plea. Impact reached out to both ruby and jodys attorneys. Rubys declined to comment. We have yet to hear back from jodys. Just one count of aggravated child abuse is up to 15 years in jail. At the same time, they can say, you know what, we found that you have abused them six different times. You could get to a high number here. Reporter rubys four minor kids are in state custody, but their father kevin, seen in these dailymail. Com photos, is trying to win them back. His hopes and his objective is to convince the state that hes a good dad and that those children would be much better off with him than in state custody. Juju for jesse, healing and moving on has been a long and winding journey. I was incredibly unstable in my early 20s. I thought that i was evil. I thought that i was this unloveable creature from hell. Juju jesse is not currently speaking with their parents. Jesse says the wounds from the alleged abuse at the hands of aunt jody, still too raw. Impact reached out to jesses father for comment and did not receive a response. Jesse is now living life on their own terms and recently moved to seattle to be a tattoo artist. Ive been a musician pretty much my whole life. This is just a song about just relationships. Like all good songs. At the last scheduled train to the city watch the glow from the street lights go by juju what would you say to jody if she were sitting across from you right now . You did not win. And you do not own my life. Just stay you have no power. Byron our thanks to juju. See the full episode of ruby franke, double life on impact by nightline, now streaming on hulu. When we come back, ginger spice, the spice girl turned author, is sharing the details of her new novel. I have moderate to severe crohns disease. Now, theres skyrizi. Things are looking up ive got symptom relief control of my crohns means everything to me. Control is everything to me. Feel significant symptom relief with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements at 4 weeks. 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If you want to be my lover you gotta get rid of my friend reporter ginger space along with baby, scary, sporty, and posh sold over 100 million records world wide, making them the bestselling girl group of alltime. More recently, ginger spice revved into formula spice, entering the fast and glamorous world of formula 1 racing on drive to survive. Your car is doing well . Yeah, were happy. Reporter geri famous for that iconic Union Jack Dress and red boots, now bringing all that girl power to a new generation. Theres a surprise in the book for people . Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Reporter after writing a series of childrens books, shes out with a new novel, rosie frost and the falcon queen that she says is a thank you to america. A lot of people know you from one particular season of your life, with spice girls. And they might be surprised to hear you talking about writing a book . I think its natural and wonderful to be able to do different things. I used to watch a lot of american television. It was america that taught me, youre allowed to dream. Youre allowed to be anything you want. Just go for it. Doesnt matter where you are. And i think thats a really nice idea. Wherever you are in your life, youre allowed to try different things. Reporter the story follows rosie frost, a recently orphaned redhead tasks with saving the mystical bloodstone island founded by Queen Elizabeth i where history comes alive. The world needs a new hero. And this is an adventure about the lead hero, rosie frost, and shes finding the courage she never knew she had. Its set on bloodstone island, which is imagine jurassic park, but instead of dinosaurs, its endangered animals. There is a little sprinkle of girl power. 100 . Something youre known for. Absolutely. Reporter theres also a little sprinkle of herself. Its interesting, because you look at rosie, she has red hair. Is rosie in some way a little bit of you as well . You cant help but put a bit of yourself in there, just a little bit, or a point of view. You know, certain characteristics. A little bit. They always say, write about what you know. There are some childhood experiences she has, like she experienced grief. I lost a parent, so did they. Reporter what made you want to write a book . Ive always loved writing. Im studying English Literature before i went into music, so its always been a passion of mine. I love reading as well. I didnt have a lot of money when i was you know, young. So, you know, i always used to go to the library, get a book out. It was always really important to me. I think when you write, the secret you discover, you get to decide what happens. You get to play god. Who lives, who dies. Who what was, who cries. Its a really powerful thing. And lets face it, sometimes we dont have that much power in our own lives externally. So i quite enjoy that process. Reporter and music lovers are in for a treat. I put music in the book. You can actually scan a bar code, you get music. Theres two songs in there. Just scan it, and you can hear the songs. Theyre quite ones quite forceful and has got rap in it. The other ones like a meaningful ballad. They help you with the narrative. What do you hope people take away when we read the book . I hope in different ways, you know, their soul feels lifted up. But then they feel enriched and empowered and theyre smiling. Reporter all powerful themes from her musical roots, raising the question any chance theres a spice girls tour in america . You know what, i love america. And i love being the spice girls. If that happens, if and when, it would be an absolute gift. Right now my focus is one child at a time. Rosie frost, i think i feel she really deserves that attention. So im focusing on her. Well see. Youre open to it . Yeah. Byron well have to wait and see. Our thanks to eva. Coming up, remembering legendary linebacker dick butkus. 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