It turns out way too much. Joining me for insight and analysis this morning are jeff greenfield, contributor to the daily beast, molly ball of the atlantic, kimberly strossel, and Eugene Robinson of the washington post. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. Good sunday morning. When he first began talking about running for president , a lot of people dismissed him, including myself. But theres no denying that donald trump is completely shaken up the republican race, topping national and state polls, drawing 24 Million People to the gop debate and simply dominating the coverage so far. I caught up with trump yesterday in des moines, iowa, for his first facetoface sunday morning interview as a had can. I wanted this interview to be less about personality and more about substance. We touched on a lot of issues. Birtherism, abortion, isis, illegal immigration and much more. Lets get right to it, starting with his standing with the conservative movement. Some of the criticism on you from conservatives is youre not a real conservative. When you hear that, some of them will argue on social policies that youre not a real conservative. Is it just different brands of conservatism thats out there and you just have a different brand or do you think they have a point . Well, i think they have a point from years ago, but they also have that same point with Ronald Reagan, who was a democrat absolutely with a liberal bent. And Ronald Reagan became, you know, not only a republican but a pretty conservative republican. Not the most, but a pretty conservative republican and hes somebody that i actually knew and liked and he liked me. I worked with him and helped him. But i think that when you get right down to it, people do evolve on different issues. And ive you know, im prolife and i was begrudgingly the other way. But when those questions were asked and that was many, many years ago, i wasnt a politician. Should some form of abortion always be legal . Well, to me i have exceptions, rape, incest, if the mother is going to die, and Ronald Reagan had those same exceptions and many republicans have those same exceptions. But i say rape, incest what about health of the mother . I said actually if the mother is close to death. Im talking about death. If you know, because then you sort of say, well, maybe shes not what is the constitutional right between the mother and the unborn child . Whose Constitutional Rights matter more . My statement on that happens to be the you know, if the mother will die and youre going to know that and the problem with the life, if you say life, what does life mean . You have a cold and youre going to end up having an abortion. So i have the three exceptions and pretty much the standard three exceptions that many republicans have. You were pretty you were somewhat defending planned parenthood earlier this week. It struck me that there was a time planned parenthood was not seen as a very political organization. Do you ever were you ever a donor . I dont know. I mean i dont know, but its possible. I give to so many i give to so Many Organizations over the years. Hundreds of millions of dollars. So i dont know. I dont think so, but its possible somewhere it wouldnt have surprised you if you had . Well, look, planned parenthood had to stop with the abortions. A lot of people consider it an abortion clinic. I think those tapes that i saw, the five tapes or six tapes, i thought they were outrageous, i think they were terrible, disgust buying any standpoint, and they have to stop. Does it bother you that they were edited . Well, i dont know about them being edited. Whatever i saw was terrible. I mean it was terrible. In particular i didnt like the attitude of the people. They talked about it almost like were making wijdgets or gadget and it was not appropriate. You dont think there should be a government showdown, shutdown over planned parenthood . I wouldnt fund it if they have the abortion going on the and its been a big factor. You hear all different numbers. They say its 3 , other people say its 85 , thats a big difference. Would you shut down the government over this dispute . I would not fund if theyre doing abortions. But as you know there could be a stalemate in congress. Is it worth shutting down the government . Thats something id have to think about to be honest with you. I dont want to give a hard and fast answer to that. It bothers me greatly that theyre doing the abortions. At the same time, Womens Health issues are very important to me. Lets go foreign affairs. You want to knock the hell out of isis, how . I want to take away their wealth. For years ive been saying dont go into iraq. They went into iraq, destabilized the middle east and they did that. I said iran will take over iraq, which is happening, as sure as youre sitting there, and isis is taking over a lot of the oil in certain areas of iraq. And i said you take away their wealth. Go and knock the hell out of the oil. Take back the oil. We take over the oil, which we should have done in the first place. Youre talking about maybe 25,000 . Were going to have so much money. What i would do with the money that we make, which would be tremendous, i would take care of the soldiers that were killed, the families of the soldiers that were killed, the soldiers, the Wounded Warriors that are see, i love them and theyre walking all over the streets of new york, all over the streets of every city without arms, without legs and worse than that. And i would take care of them. They paid a big price so america should take over these oil fields. Shouldnt be given to the iraqis . We can give them something but definitely take back money for our soldiers. Weve had soldiers that were decimated, so badly hurt, the Wounded Warriors, and killed, of course. But weve had soldiers who were so badly hurt and killed, i want their families to get something because we got nothing out of that war. We spent 2 trillion, chuck. We had thousands of people killed. Wounded warriors all over the place, they got nothing. And they cant even say we had a victory. Who do you talk to for military advice right now . Well, i watch the shows. I really see a lot of great when you watch your show and all of the other shows a you have the generals and you have certain people that you like but is there a goto for you . Probably there are two or three. Probably there are two or three. I like bolton, i think hes a tough cookie, knows what hes talking about. Jacobs. You mean ambassador boldon. Colonel jack jacobs is a good guy. You wrote this in 2011 about saudi arabia. The worlds biggest furnished of terrorism punls our dollars, our very own money, to fund the terrorists. What are u. S. saudi relations going to look like under a Trump Administration . Well, the primary reason were with saudi arabia is because we need the oil. Now we dont need the oil so much. If we let our people really go, we wouldnt need the oil at all and let everybody else fight it out. Saudi arabia is going to be in big trouble pretty soon and theyre going to need help. If you look at yemen and you look at that border, you dont have to be an expert to know that is one long border and theyre not going in for yemen, theyre going in for the oil and saudi arabia. So saudi arabia is going to need help. Like it or dont like it, people have backed saudi arabia. What i really mind, though, is we back it at tremendous expense. We get nothing for it and theyre making a billion dollars a day. We do have a running theme here. You believe the u. S. Should youre okay with the u. S. Bowing the worlds police. We should police and be re reimbursed. It turns our military into a mercenary force. We are a debtor nation. We owe now 1. 9 trillion. Ive been saying 1. 8. Its soon going to be 2. 4 trillion. Thats like a point that whether you believe in the great economists or not, that seems to be a point of no return. Thats where were greece on steroids, okay. Were going to be there very soon. Why are we doing all of this these are wealthy countries. They will give us, if we have the right messenger, they will give us. Its like this horrible deal with iran. This deal, if you had the right youd have the prisoners back years ago. Iran will still get money. But let me ask you this. I understand theres a lot of people that are critical of the deal. But could you what deal can you come up with that wouldnt give iran money . Okay. Wouldnt give them sanction money. By the way, we will never give you back your money, never get your 150 billion. Youre never getting your money back, number one. Number two, before you start negotiations, you have to give us three prisoners, now its four. You have to give us back without question, you have to give them back. And you know what, you dont want them but we do. Its psychologically good and will help us make a better deal together, thats good for you. I would have told them up front youll never get your 150 billion back. They are going to be such a wealthy, such a powerful nation, theyre going to have nuclear weapons. They are going to take over parts of the world that you wouldnt believe. And i think its going to lead to nuclear holocaust. I will say this, the people that negotiated that deal, namely kerry and his friends, are incompetent. What do you do on day one, though ive heard a lot of people say were going to rip up the deal. Its very tough to do when you say rip the deal. Let me tell you. But i will police that deal. Ive taken over some bad contracts. I buy contracts where people have screwed up and they have bad contracts. But you have to abide by it. Im good at looking at a contract and finding things in a contract even though theyre bad. I would police that contract so tough that they dont have a chance. As bad as the contract is, i will be so tough on that contract so the deal lives in a Trump Administration. Youre just going to be well, its very hard to say were ripping up. The problem is boy the time i got in there, they will have already received the 150 billion. Do you know if the deal gets rejected they still get the money, which is something i found out a week ago. I couldnt believe it. If the deal gets rejected, they still get all of this money. Iran is going to be unbelievably powerful and unbelievably rich and israel is in big trouble. Israel is in big trouble. Obama has really let israel down. If you get evidence theyre working on a nuclear weapon, you order air strikes immediately . I dont want to really say. I would be so tough, you wouldnt believe it but i dont want to really say. If i win and now im leading in every single poll. Even you will agree to that, right . Local, national, iowa, new hampshire, everything. If i win, i dont want to really be talking too much about obama talks too much about what hes going to do. Were going to raid here, were going to do this. General mcarthur, general patton, they didnt talk. They got the job done. So that was part one. Ive got the panel here. Dont worry, more trump interview coming up in the show. Jeff greenfield, now contributes to politico and the daily beast, molly ball, politics writer, kimler be strossel and Eugene Robinson. The Trump Campaign has contacted me and said on planned parenthood they cant find any evidence he gave any money for the past 20 years. Jeff greenfield, what did you learn . First i learned that he has moved to a slightly more subtle level than in the opening rounds. He actually said i have to think about that. Thats not a sentence that easily comes to Donald Trumps mind. Not sure about that. The first vague hint of nuance, which is another word i dont associate with him. I must say that the answer to the question you asked him about where he gets his military and defense advice, he watches shows. Once again, i think for an ordinary political person, that would have consequences. Its just that ive been so wrong about what was going to hurt donald trump for so long, that maybe his supporters will say thats a good place to figure out your military strategy, ill watch television. Heres the thing, a lot of his supporters do watch a lot of television. Right, molly . They seem to. Look, he is capable of seeming to give details while actually being very slippery. He didnt actually answer a lot of your questions there. He said, well, its this or its that or hell say two contradictory things but he fill busters in a way that it sounds like hes answering the question in a high level of dough taetai because he uses a lot of words. Kimberly, did he make the case to conservatives that hes a conservative. Ever since the debate you see that hes decided hes going to be a real candidate. Hes putting out some policy details, building up his organization in iowa, hes going to be a candidate. The question is whether or not that doesnt hurt him more in the end with conservatives. You look at the conservative electorate over the last decade, its gone through this evolution, tea party change. And what they have decided is that they are generally demanding more principled candidate and they also want to win. And when you listen to him, its very hard when you hear the answers to some of these questions. They dont necessarily fall in line with what the conservative electorate has been asking for from candidates over time. Its not just single payer, but all kinds of things. Gene, if you could, if you had to sum up what you learned about his Foreign Policy philosophy, did you find, is he an interventionist, an isolationist . What is he . What did you get from it . Well, you know, hes donald trump. Hes himself. And the selling point of his candidacy is im donald trump. And its not about his specific policies, and, you know, youre right, that was a very weak answer on where do you get your military advice but its really not about where he gets his military advice. Its about i can make a better deal. I can go in and take the oil. Dont worry about the details, ill figure it out. Im not going to talk a lot about exactly how im going to do x and y because that would be foolish, i know how to make a deal. Thats the donald trump candidacy. And i actually think hes been very consistent and sort of singleminded about that fact. The simple fact of his candidacy. Jeff, you brought up nuance. I thought the most fascinating answer was his iran answer. That im going to accept the agreement. And im going to that was a very believable answer to him. I know how to read a contract, i know how to find loopholes. And thats two things. One, thats another thing that could set some of those conservatives off because the set line is rip the deal off right after i finish swearing myself in or whatever. And the other part about that is that youre getting the sense that hes torn. I mean one point he knows that it would be useful to be more reasonable. On the other hand, i think this may be the mantra of the whole campaign, hes donald trump. I keep coming back to what mark cuban, his fellow reality guy said very early in the game. It doesnt matter what hes saying, youre missing the point. But also what he said was very realistic. You tear up the deal on day one, everybody else is following the deal. Iranians already have the money, some very realistic answers. But it also shows a lack of understanding. He doesnt get to enforce this deal. International nuclear inspectors enforce this deal. So and that does come through the more you talk about Foreign Policy. Let me take a break here. Weve got more of the trump entinterview interview, a little more domestic issues coming up, including and revealingimmigrat you have to [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts, 800,000 hours of supercomputing time, 3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. Whether its building the worlds most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. At boeing, one thing never changes. Our passion to make it real. I know, mommy, our passion to make it real. But its time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. 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We have to make a whole new set of standards. And when people come in, they have to youll split up families, deport children . No, well keep the families together. We have to keep the families together. But youre going to kick them out . They have to go. What if they have no place to go. We will work with them. We have to go. Chuck, we either have a country or we dont have a country. How do you do it . The question of look at what we have right now . The question of doing it let me ask you this but how do you do it . Do you think theres cost for illegals . Of course theresk s1i;a r . N tremendous. Do you think theres tremendous crime being committed by illegals . Theres definitely evidence its happened. And you see it all over. Just last night. All over. We will do it and we will expedite it so people can come back in. Its still not clear. Chuck, chuck, it will work out so well. Youll be so happy. 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