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KPIX 60 Minutes July 14, 2024

The chance to meet a man who holds a place in history like ben ferencz. Hes 99 years old, barely five feet tall, and hes the last surviving prosecutor of the nuremberg trials. Tonight, youll hear his remarkable story. And i started screaming. I said, look, i have here mass murder, mass murder on an unparalleled scale. He said, can you do this in addition to your other work . I said, sure. He said, okay, so you do it. ticking whether its a male grizzly bear with battle scars, a cheetah chasing down its prey in tanzania, or butterflies sipping on the tears of a giant caiman in brazil, each of Tom Mangelsens photographs tells a story. Over the course of your lifetime, the amount of time youve spent waiting is incalculable, im sure. Stupid. Stupid . Yeah. Have you learned anything with all that waiting . You wait long enough, it does pay off. And at 73, he still travels to remote and inhospitable places. 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Whitaker last month, the first of an avalanche of lawsuits filed against the manufacturers and distributors of opioid painkillers went to trial. The state of oklahoma is trying to convince a judge that drugmaker johnson and johnson is legally responsible for the epidemic of addiction and death caused by opioids. Oklahoma is not alone. There is a National Movement by state and local governments to go after opioid manufacturers. At its center is attorney mike moore. Moore says hes just a country lawyer from mississippi. But he has engineered two of the most lucrative legal settlements in american history; the 1998 case in which big tobacco paid billions to address smoking related health issues, and the 2015 settlement with oil giant b. P. Over its Huge Oil Spill in the gulf of mexico. Now, mike moore, along with his legal allies, has taken aim at the opioid industry. As we first reported late last year, he says he has powerful new evidence that proves states like ohio among the hardest hit by the Opioid Epidemic should collect billions from all the companies hes suing. Mike moore if we try the ohio case, if we win a verdict against these manufacturers and distributors there, it could bankrupt them. Itd put them out of business. Whitaker truly . These are huge, profitable, wealthy companies. Moore huge. Well, you know, they can be as profitable as they want to. But ohio is losing 4 or 5 billion a year from the Opioid Epidemic, and theyre losing 5,000 or 6,000 people a year from overdose deaths. So when a jury hears the evidence in this case, theyre not going to award just a couple hundred million dollars. It may be 100 billion. And whoever amongst these companies thinks they can stand up to that . Good luck. Mike dewine we are hurting now, in ohio. We need help now, in ohio. Whitaker mike dewine is the republican governor of ohio. He was previously the stateerald mike moore just after filing suit against opioid manufacturers and distributors. Dewine they flooded the state of ohio with these opioid pills that they knew would kill people. Whitaker they knew would kill people. Dewine if they didnt know it the first couple years, they clearly wouldve seen it after that. You cant miss it. When, one year we had close to a billion a billion pain meds prescribed in the state of ohio. You know, 69 per man, woman, and child in the state. And that lies at the feet of the drug companies. Theyre the ones who did that. Whitaker ohio is one of four states mike moore formally represents, but hes coordinating with 40plus states that have filed suit, and with many of the more than 1,500 cities and counties that also are suing. He is the unofficial commandingt attag the industr iss where your war room is located . Moore thats right. Whitaker the unlikely command center for moores legal war is the sleepy town of Grayton Beach on floridas panhandle. Moore you know, in a place like this, youre not limited with a bunch of tall buildings, and coats and ties, and that kind of thing. You can think outside the box a little bit, so. Whitaker when we were in Grayton Beach. Moore to me, thats how we win. Whitaker . About a dozen lawyers from all around the country, some working on state cases, others on local lawsuits, had gathered for allday strategy sessions, focused on an audacious goal. Moore success for me would be that we would find funding to provide treatment for all the 2. 5 million opioiddependent people in this country. Whitaker that would take many billions of dollars, of course, but remember, mike moore has done it before. Moore look, when i filed this tobacco case in 1994, there was nobody that thought that we had a chance to win. We showed up for our first hearing. And in our first hearing, so there was three of us there. In the courtroom, on the other side, they had 68 lawyers. Whitaker despite that early mismatch, within four years, moore had all 50 states lined up against big tobacco. He did it partly by going to court, but mostly by going public. Moore a case in court is a case in court, and thats fine. But theres also the court of Public Opinion, and the court of Public Opinion is sometimes the most powerful court. Whitaker 60 minutes played an important, and controversial, role in the public case against big tobacco. Moore was interviewed for a segment that at first, cbs corporate lawyers refused to allow on the air. Moore were thinking to ourselves, look, if 60 minutes seems to be afraid of these guys for whatever reason, then what about us . Whitaker 60 minutes finally aired the segment in early 1996, after the wall street journal ran a story featuring the same Tobacco Industry whistleblower. You said this in that 60 minutes story this industry, talking about this, the Tobacco Industry, in my opinion, is an industry. Moore . Who has perpetrated the biggest fraud on the American Public in history. They have lied to the American Public for years and years. Theyve killed millions and millions of people and made a profit on it. Whitaker those are pretty strong words. Moore well, it they were true. Those words were true. Whitaker and you finally got big tobacco to cry uncle. Moore thats right. Whitaker they ended up paying, what, over 200 billion . Moore 250 billion, yeah. Whitaker so when you look back on what you did, what has been the impact . Moore we reduced smoking rates to a place that nobody ever thought was possible. So, the number one cause of death in america has been reduced dramatically. Thats pretty powerful. Whitaker now, going after the opioid industry, mike moore is using the same playbook he used against tobacco, and more recently, against b. P. For the Gulf Oil Spill build legal and public pressure until the companies see no choice but to settle, and fork over billions. Moore heres the deal theres a huge pill spill in this country. Its huge. Whitaker pill spill . Moore pill spill. Huge pill spill. It never shouldve occurred. Everybodys got some fault. But we have 72,000 people dying every year. Lets figure out a way to resolve this thing. You guys made billions of dollars off of this. Take some of that money and apply it to the problem that you helped cause. Whitaker hes a long way from convincing the drug industry to do that, of course. Thats why all the lawsuits. The first targets are opioid manufacturers like Purdue Pharma, which makes oxycontin, the pill that fueled the Opioid Epidemic. Moore Purdue Pharma created an environment so that opioid use was okay. So, if you prescribe your patients this drug, theres less than 1 chance theyll get addicted. That was a lie, a big lie. Whitaker can you prove that in court . Moore absolutely. Whitaker Purdue Pharma declined our request for an interview, but said in a statement that when the f. D. A. Approved oxycontin in 1995, it authorized the company to state on the label that addiction to opioids legitimately used is very rare. But as evidence of abuse mounted, the company admitted in federal court in 2007 that it had misled doctors and consumers about just how addictive oxycontin can be. Moore the Purdue Pharma case is an easy case. I hate to say it, but its an easy case to prove. You can prove that they told the lies that they told. Whitaker it has been considered tougher to build a case against mike moores other targets, the huge drug distributors whove made billions delivering opioids from manufacturers to pharmacies. Moore the distributors are saying things like, were just truck drivers. We didnt know where the pills went. Of course they did. Theres a controlled substance act. Controlled substance act. Youre supposed to control these pills. And when you dont, you have a responsibility for it. It its real simple. Whitaker its also simple why moore is going after the biggest players in Drug Distribution because they have much deeper pockets than the manufacturers. Purdue pharma, for example, had less than 2 billion in revenue in 2017. Distributor mckesson, by contrast, had 208 billion in revenue. Moore mckesson, youre the sixth Largest Company in this country. Youre telling the American Public you didnt have systems in place to adhere to the controlled substance act . Seriously . Alow havwhcharrize as devaatin evidrot distributors knew what they were doing. A huge confidential d. E. A. Database called arcos tracks all transactions involving controlled substances. This spring, a federal judge in cleveland, who is hearing many of the local lawsuits, ordered all that data to be handed over to the plaintiffs lawyers. Burton leblanc and i can actually tell you which distributor distributed to which particular pharmacy, by year, by volume, and where the pills came from. Whitaker wow. Burton leblanc is a louisiana lawyer who regularly huddles with mike moore in Grayton Beach. His firm represents hundreds of cities and counties in their opioid lawsuits, and his team has taken the lead in analyzing the arcos data. Leblanc in terms of the wholesale distributors duty, to report suspicious orders, we can immediately look at volume and detect patterns with the data that we currently have. Whitaker so, you can see that for every pharmacy in the, in the country . Leblanc i have it for every transaction in the united states. Whitaker whats the most important thing that it has shown you . Leblanc that the stories that youve heard from some of the d. E. A. Investigative agents concerning the large volumes of pills going into certain parts of our country are absolutely true. Whitaker one of those stories concerned kermit, west virginia, a town of just 400 people, where nine million opioid pills were delivered in just two years to a single pharmacy. Did the companies have access to this information . Leblanc it was their data. Whitaker that data has now been shared with state attorneys general, including ohios mike dewine. Dewine im not allowed to talk about the specifics. But i will simply tell you, its shocking. Anyone who was looking at those numbers, as those middlemen were, as these distributors were, clearly, clearly should have seen that something was dramatically wrong. Whitaker like purdue, drug distributors declined our request for an interview, but in a statement from their trade association, said, it defies common sense to single out distributors for the opioid crisis. Distributors deliver medicines prescribed by a licensed physician and ordered by a licensed pharmacy. But mike moore insists that does not let the companies off the legal hook. Moore if youve got Walking Around sense and you care, youre going to check before you send nine million pills to a little, bitty county in west virginia, or mississippi or louisiana or ohio. Youre going to check, if you care. Whitaker you think they dont care . Moore i dont think they cared enough. And if they cared enough, maybe we would not have lost 500,000 lives from this problem. Its it just it appalls me. Whitaker the first state case has now gone to trial in oklahoma, and more are due to begin soon. But rather than try all the cases and just as he did with tobacco mike moore hopes to force a megasettlement to fund drug treatment, prevention, and education. You had to have thought about how much money you would need to do the projects that you foresee . Moore oh, ive seen all the models. To be effective, we need at least 100 billion to start off with. Whitaker and i know youve heard the criticism, that with all these lawyers involved, that this is just a bunch of trial lawyers looking for a great, big payday. Moore right. I dont care one whit about any money in this case. Not one whit whatsoever about it. Whitaker nobodys going to believe that the attorneys are not going to make any money. Moore no, no, no. No, no, and im not saying that. I was talking about all i can speak for is me. Whitaker you made money off tobacco. Moore nope, not a penny. Whitaker thats because, for all the years of the tobacco litigation, and many years afr, moore was working for a modest state salary as Mississippi Attorney general. Whitaker you made money off of the b. P. Spill. Moore i made some money on helping resolve the case, yeah. Whitaker moore has made enough money to be comfortable. At age 67, this may be his last big case, and he believes the arcos data gives him the ammunition he needs to demolish the opioid industrys argument that it should not be blamed. Moore nobody in the worlds going to believe that. And and dont go try to tell that to 12 jurors in mississippi or ohio, whove lost people from this. You know what . You know what those jurors are going to do . Theyre going to go in the back room, theyre going to spend about 30 minutes thinking about it, going to come back out, and bam cbs money watch, sponsored by lincoln financial, helping you create a secure financial future. Good evening, President Trump says the u. S. Is wing the trade war after reaching a temporary truce with china. Markets kick off the third quartered monday after the best first half in two decades but fridays jobs report could signal a slowing economy. Cbs news. On to the next job. The next challenge. The next place. On to the next level. And all the rewards that come with it. 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Officers accused of committing the largest number of nazi killings outside the concentration camps more than a million men, women, and children shot in their own towns and villages in cold blood. As we first reported two years ago, ferencz is the last Nuremberg Prosecutor alive today. But he isnt content just being a part of 20th century history. He believes he has something important to offer the world right now. You know, you have seen the ugliest side of humanity. Ben ferencz yes. Stahl youve really seen evil. And look at you; youre the sunniest man ive ever met. laughs the most optimistic. Ferencz you ought to get some more friends. Stahl watching ben ferencz during his daily swim, his gym workout. Ferencz im showing off now. Stahl . And his morning pushup regimen. Ferencz 100. Stahl . Is to realize he isnt just the sunniest man weve ever met. He may also be the fittest. Ferencz how was that . Stahl and thats just the beginning. Ferencz the case we present is a plea of humanity to law. Stahl this is ferencz making his Opening Statement in the nuremberg courtroom 71 years ago. Ferencz the charges we have brought accuse the defendants of having committed crimes against humanity. Stahl the nuremberg trialsie historic, the First International war crimes tribunals ever held. Hitlers top lieutenants were prosecuted first. Then, a series of subsequent trials were mounted against other nazi leaders, including 22 s. S. Officers responsible for killing more than a Million People not in concentration camps, but in towns and villages across eastern europe. They would never have been brought to justice were it not for ben ferencz. You look so young. Ferencz i was so young. I was 27 years old. Stahl had you prosecuted trials before . Ferencz never in my life. I dont. Stahl come on. Ferencz . Recall if id ever been in a courtroom, actually. Stahl ferencz had immigrated to the u. S. As a baby, the son of poor jewish parents from a small town in romania. He grew up in a tough new york city neighborhood, where his father found work as a janitor. Ferencz when i was taken to school at the age of seven, i couldnt speak english. Spoke yiddish at home. And i was very small. And so, they wouldnt let me in. Stahl so, you didnt speak english til you were eight . Ferencz thats correct. Stahl could you read . Ferencz no, on the

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