Were, were a lie. Cooper a lie in what sense . Well, in the sense that that robert e. Lee was used as an example, to send a message to the rest of the country, and to all the people that lived here, that the confederacy was a noble cause. And thats just not true. Cooper this is incredible. Mayor landrieu agreed to show us whats become of generals lee and beauregard. Theyve been gathering dust for more than a year. Wow. ticKing Whitaker no snapping fingers, no fire escape balcony, nope, this is not your parents west side story. Everything scares me about this. Its a huge challenge. Ker of everyone has an expectation. 60 minutes spent four months behind the scenes as this epic american production gets set to open on broadway. ticng im lesley stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im anderson cooper. Im norah odonnell. Im scott pelley. Those stories tonight, on 60 minutes. Diabetes and Heart Disease. 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How could innocent civilians leaving the netherlands on vacation to asia lose their lives in a war russia started with ukraine . As we first reported in february, after a yearslong investigation, dutch prosecutors say they know who is responsible. This is the story of the hunt for the suspects now charged with 298 counts of murder. In a dutch hangar, heavy with the smell of fuel and fire, Malaysia Flight 17 has been resurrecfrom 8,000 fragments. The boeing 777, 20 feet wide and 200 feet long, was torn by an estimated 800 pieces of shrapnel, each the size of a bullet. A warhead detonated ten feet to the left of captain eugene choos windscreen. The Dutch Safety Board says the greatest density of holes, 102, is through his window. Shrapnel tore through the cockpit and out the other side. The cockpit sheared away. And the rest of the plane flew another minute and a half. Passengers were thrashed by explosive decompression and a 500 mile an hour wind at 40 degrees below zero. One passenger was found wearing his oxygen mask. Samira calehr i want to know who killed my children. Pelley it was july 17, 2014, that Samira Calehr walked her boys, 19yearold shaka and 11 yearold miguel, as far as amsterdam Airport Security would let her. The youngest boy was worried. Samira calehr he hugged me really tight. And he told me, like, mom, im so afraid to take this plane. You know, im so afraid what happen when the airplane will crh . I told him, miguel, come on, youve been on flights many times. You are with shaka. Everything is going just to be fine. He said, you promise me . I said, i promise everything will be okay. Pelley the brothers were going to see their grandmother in bali. Samira planned to come back to the airport the very next day because her middle son, mika, couldnt get a seat on flight 17. Mika calehr so, i never got a proper goodbye, said a proper goodbye, and that really is something that i have to deal with for the rest of my life. Samira calehr i cannot forgive myself that i promised my baby, miguel, that everything will be fine. Everngs t o pely thats what a son wants to hear from his mother. Samira calehr but i feel like i lied to him. Who am i to give him that guarantee . Its been like hell. I feel emptiness. I feel sadness. There is a hole in my heart. It will always hurt. And i miss them every day. Pelley her boys were among 193 dutch citizens onboard. Piet ploeg its 911 for the netherlands. The netherlands, all people in the netherlands were very, v very shocked. Pelley inhomecodihe one to piet ploegs brother, sisterinlaw and nephew. His nieces didnt go on their family vacation. You had to tell your nieces what happened. Ploeg i dont want to think too much about that moment. Its too emotional for me. I saw my nieces falling in each others arms when they realized their parents and their brother were dead. It was a terrible, terrible moment. Yeah. Pelley no one had any understanding that they were going to be flying over a warzone. Ploeg oh, you didnt think about it, and after mh17 we always think about it. Pelley flight 17 was three hours into a 12 hour route when it came within range of a war. In 2014, russia dismembered its neighbor to the west, it annexed part of ukraine and, today, pro russian militias, supplied and manned by moscow, are fighting to control eastern ukraine. In the days before the flight 17 murders, two Ukrainian Military planes were shot down. But despite that, the day flight 17 entered the airspace, 160 airliners crossed over ukraine. It was cloudy. Flight 17, at 33,000 feet, appeared only on radar until it fell through the clouds across 20 square miles. Andy kraag we considered it a national crisis. Because, if you think, it was not only that we were doing a criminal investigation, but the most important thing in the beginning was the recovery mission. Pelley andy kraag is lead investigator for the netherlands. Kraag first, we needed to recover all the casualties to get them back home, so that the next of kin could mourn. Actually, we were in national mourning. Pelley in a nation so small it seemed everyone knew someone touched by the murders. For days. Convoys of hearses, stretching beyond sight, were met by esteeke is the chief fm the start. Have all of the remains been identified . Fred westerbeke we were able to identify, from the 298 casualties, 296. So, for two people we didnt find any remains. Pelley with no admission of guilt, 350 investigators from five countries began almost six years of work. Kraag we started with multiple scenarios in the beginning. One was, was it an accident . That could be discarded quite quickly. The other one, was it an explosion from the inside . And the last two, most importantly, was it airtoair, like, was it shot by a plane . Or was it surface to air . Pelley t scena narrowed quickly becauf ae civilian internet investigators. Just days before the murders, Eliot Higgins started a u. K. Based group of online detectives that he calls bellingcat named for a fable of mice tying a bell to a cat to warn of danger. Higgins found images, crowdsourced online. Eliot higgins so this is one of the first videos that was shared online after mh17 was shot down. And it was shared claiming that this was a buk missile launcher. Pelley and how do you know across all these images that youre looking at the same convoy . Higgins so theres certain details that kind of leap out at us. Theres the white truck. But you can see theres a black exhaust pipe on the side of that truck. Its a very small detail, but it does helps us show that its very similar to the truck thats in other photographs and videos. Pelley matching randomly sourced pictures with geolocation techniques, higgins and his colleagues spotted an antiaircraft system in the images that had been shot earlier led him to the convoys starting point. Higgins and that took us back to a town called kursk. Kue brigade called the 53rd air defense brigade, and we were able to establish for certain the missile launcher came from that particular brigade. Pelley and kursk is in russia. And the 53rd brigade is a Russian Military unit. Higgins yes. And it was probably very likely crewed by russian crew. Pelley higgins also discovered the Missile System retreating after the shootdown with one, incriminating, difference. Youre saying that theres a missile missing from this picture . Higgins thats right. So, theres one there. Theres one there. And theres one just out of the back of there as well. But there should be a missile between these two missiles. Pelley it wasnt long before Eliot Higgins got a call from dutch investigators. How important was the information came beingcat . Ag wtty so, e arned a lot from them as well. But thats just one layer of the evidence, because we have to build up evidence that can stand in court. We also have the witnesses, forensic evidence et cetera. Pelley the investigators told us, layers of evidence came from the weapon itself. Its missile warhead is packed with a unique bowtie shaped shrapnel. This signature shrapnel was found in the bodies of the flight crew. Another layer of evidence came in thousands of phone calls, intercepted among russians and their allies. We have just shot down a plane, a rebel commander said before realizing the catastrophic mistake. Yet another layer of evidence was supplied by ukrainian villagers. You have eyewitnesses to the missile launch. Is that correct . Westerbeke yeah. Pelley more than one . Westerbeke id say i have an eyewitness. And how many, i didnt say how many. Pelley what military unit did the Missile System come from . Westerbeke from the 53rd brigade of the armed forces of pelley is there any room for doubt in that . Westerbeke no, there is no doubt at all. Pelley they dont know who pushed the button, but, this past summer, dutch prosecutors charged three russians and a ukrainian with 298 counts of murder. Sergey dubinsky was head of intelligence for the prorussia rebels in ukraine, prosecutors say, oleg pulatov, and leonid kharchenko, were involved in delivering the Missile System. The highestranking russian accused is igor girkin, a retired colonel in russian intelligence. He was in charge of the pro russia militia in ukraine. We found him in moscow living under the protection of the russian government. He told us, someone has to be the scapegoat, so they picked me and others who couldnt even theoretically shoot down this plane. The militia did not bring down the boeing plane. I have no other comment. How helpful have the russians been in this investigation over the last five years . Westerbeke id say they havent been helpful at all. Because what they shouldve done is give us all the information and all the proof we needed in this difficult investigation. They should have told us that at the second day after it happened, they shouldve told us, we made a mistake, or we did something which shouldnt have happened. They should have come forward. That is what they should have done, and they never did. Pelley still unhelpful, the russians will if theyre convicted, even though theyre not in the Samira Calehr no. Mika calehr everybody will be haunted by the fact that theyre still out there and not in custody. Pelley the trial is scheduled to begin march 9 and will be heard by a panel of three dutch judges. Samira calehr told us she will not attend. Piet ploeg will not miss it. The families have the right to speak in court and i wonder what you intend to say. Ploeg i want them to know what they have done, and what they have done to not only to the victims, but also the next of kin. They have to feel it. Pelley prosecutors told us their investigation is continuing beyone hope to charge addi for its parussia has s number of sts about what might have killed 298 innocent victims stories that, so far, have not withstood the evidence presented by the silent witness of Malaysia Flight 17. The trial began as planned in march and will likely run through the end of the year. Samira calehr still has not attended. ticking go deeper inside the investigation of mh17 at 60minutesovertime. Com sponsored by pfizer. Or are prone to infections. Serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. Taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra may increase risk of death. Cooper 60 minutes has been about the pill first prescribed for ra more than seven years ago. Xeljanz. 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What we saw looked like a military operation. When the city of new orleans removed a giant statue of p. G. T. Beauregard, a confederate general who ordered the first shots fired in the civil war, they did it in the dead of night. Construction crews wore bulletproof helmets and vests, and Police Snipers were stationed on rooftops nearby. Mitch landrieu says it was impossible to find a local company that would take the job. Mitch landrieu when we put the thing out to bid, the one contractor that showed up, had his life threatened. He had his car bombed. Cooper his his car was actually . Landrieu his car was actually firebombed. Death threats were coming in. And so, i couldnt find a crane. I could not find a damn crane. Cooper in new orleans, you could not get a landrieu in new orleans. I couldnt find a crane in louisiana. Cooper mayor landrieu eventually found a contractor from out of state, and finally, after years of legal wrangling, took down four confederate monuments. The last one removed was a 16. 5 foot bronze statue of general robert e. Lee. It had stood for 133 years. cheers and jeers . Until may 19, 2017, when, to the cheers and jeers of onlookers, the confederacys most celebrated military hero was hoisted off its 68foot pedestal. Landrieu in a city that i represent, thats 67 african american, to have a Young AfricanAmerican Girl pass by that statue and look at it every day, i ask myself, am i really preparing for her a really good future . Is she feeling like shes getting lifted up by the government, or is she being put down . I mean, i think the answers pretty clear. Really, what these monuments were, were a lie. Cooper a lie in what sense . Landrieu well, in the sense that that robert e. Lee was used as an example, to send a message to the rest of the country, and to all the people that lived here, that the confederacy was a noble cause. And thats just not true. Cooper this is incredible. Mayor landrieu agreed to show us whats become of generals lee and ga theyve been gathering dust for more than a year. Landrieu that thats the first time ive seen them there. Cooper is that right . Landrieu uhhuh, yup. Theyre pretty daunting. Cooper . Hidden away in this hastilybuilt plywood shed, in a location we were asked not to reveal. Landrieu and you can see, theyre in the civil war gear, the the military monuments. You know, theyre there to revere them for their military service in propagation of the civil war. Cooper you look at these monuments, you would never know the confederacy lost. Landrieu well, that was the whole point. The whole point was to convince people that, actually, they won, and even in their defeat, it was a noble cause. And of course, the whole point of this is to is to confront history. I mean, this wasnt an l. S. U. Alabama Football Game where it didnt matter who won and lost, and you just got bragging rights. I mean, we were talking about millions of people enslaved, 600,000 american citizens were killed, and they were trying to destroy the country. Cooper the statues final fate is unclear, but theyre unlikely to ever be displayed again on public property in the city of new orleans. Landrieu i really did want to make a definitive statement, as a white man from the south, as the mayor of a major American City at the dawning of the 21st century, that its not unclear anymore about what the civil war was about and who won, and what the values are that we should really revere. Cooper after the removal of the statues in new orleans, and the violence in charlottesville, cities, universities, and activists across the country began rethinking what confederate monuments said about their values. Several were removed in baltimore, and also in aus texas. yelling and chanting in durham, North Carolina protesters tore down a statue of a confederate soldier outside an old courthouse. yelling and cheering state e virgin. In richmd, the capital, theres a contentious debate about what to do about fiveent. Julian hayter all these years later, the civil war, in many ways, is still contested ground. This is contested ground. Cooper this is ground zero of this debate. Hayter absolutely. In large part, because it was the capital of the confederacy. Cooper Julian Hayter is a historian at the university of richmond. Hayter monument avenue is n