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But sometimes the bolt that connects the rod to the van itself can just snap off without any warning at all. Whats her name, man . Announcer its a late show with Stephen Colbert. Tonight beg your pardon. Plus, stephen welcomes kate winslet and Michael Eric Dyson featuring jon batiste and stay homin. And now, live on tape from the ed sullivan Theater Office building in new york city, its Stephen Colbert stephen welcome. Welcome to a late show. Ladies and gentlemen, im your host, Stephen Colbert. Tomorrow marks one month since the election, and the president has spent that entire time throwing a loud, pantsfilling tantrum. If we dont change president s soon, hes going to get a rash. Ill tell you all about it in tonights installment of our neverending segment. Dump dump dump illegal massive dumps im a dope, proud boyeeee the road from the white house stephen wooo the president s complaints about fake Election Fraud are more than just recreational whining. In fact, his refusal to concede is seen by some of his followers as a call to arms, which has made for a dangerous situation down in georgia, where there have been many threats of violence, including against a 20yearold Voting System contractor who was targeted by someone who hung a noose and declared that the worker should be hung for treason, and caravans of hornhonking maga supporters constantly parading past secretary of state Brad Raffenspergers private residence. Well, that caravan finally showed up, and the president was right its full of bad hombres looking to destroy our country. Well, in response, yesterday, one of georgias top election officials, gabriel sterling, a republican, gave an emotional press conference. Im going to do my best to keep it together, because it has all gone too far, all of it. A 20something tech in Gwinnett County today has Death Threats and a noose put out, saying he should be hung for treason because he was transferring a report on batches from an e. M. S. To a county computer so he could read it. It has to stop. Stephen thank you for speaking up. Unfortunately, we know how things end when you tell the president to stop 130,000 check, but only if the entire state of georgia signs an n. D. A. Anyway the speech blew up yesterday and this georgian election official was praised for his courage, his clarity, and his call for civility. And the president heard that and popped open a can of suck it. Today around 4 00 eastern crazy time, the president posted a conspiracy theoryfilled rant on facebook no press, no questions. Not even the mediating lower third graphics of cable new. Just uncut, crazy packed into a straw and blown right into the brain stem of the kamikaze maga deadernds. And he started with this this may be the most important speech ive ever made. Stephen i think you misread one word, mr. President. It may be the most impotent speech you ever made. Because it was just another rambling mass of lies that lasted a full 46 minutes. My big complaint he should have done this a week ago, not because he said anything worth hearing, but at least the people who cancelled a big family thanksgiving could have pretended they were still eating with their racist uncle. And he. Brought. Props. In wisconsin, as an example, where we were way up on election night, they ultimately had us miraculously losing by 20,000 votes. And i can show you right here that wisconsin, were leading by a lot. And then, at 3 42 in the morning, there was this. It was a massive dump of votes. Stephen again with the massive dumps . But given his cheeseburger at bedtime, 3 42 in the morning sounds about right for him. The president also laid out some pretty interesting theories. Also, in arizona, the attorney general announced that mailin ballots had been stolen from mailboxes and hidden under a rock. Stephen hidden under a rock . In arizona . In the desert . Did a fast bird going meep meep do this and you tried to chase the bird, and you ran into a painting of a tunnel on the side of a mountain . By the way, if you run off a cliff, youll be fine, as long as you dont look down. Showing a surprising amount of selfawareness, the president even knew how poorly his stupidity would be received. Even what im saying now will be demeaned and disparaged, but thats okay. Stephen well, as long as its okay. Youre a petty, angry man, you will never receive and have never deserved. And in 50 days, youll be out of the white house, without the protections of executive power, and no court is going to uphold you pardoning yourself. Plus, youre ugly and your mother dresses you funny. And heres the thing all the contested states are now certified. Its over. And still, still republicans are terrified to speak that basic truth. Take g. O. P. Senator and Orville Redenbacher after lasik, ron johnson. In a phone call two and a half weeks ago, johnson reportedly confessed he knows biden won but wont admit it, because it would be political suicide. Really . I would say the real political suicide is refusing to distance yourself from a president who has lost and is willing to destroy democracy and your party out of spite. Its like the g. O. P. Is saying, hey, lets play hands on a hard body on this running pickup truck inside the garage. No one open the door to let the oxygen in. That would be political suicide. And it would hurt the trucks feelings. So sleepy plus, the president knows he lost you know how i know . Because he is taking legal precautions. We have just learned that he has discussed pardons for his three eldest children and Rudy Giuliani and his soninlaw, jared kushner. Now, thus far, we dont know the crimes that these people are guilty of, and neither does the president. He would be shielding them from prosecution with what are known as preemptive pardons. Its a classic move. as husband honey i will certainly tell you what i did with the neighbor after you forgive me. Do you forgive me . Good. Now i wont tell you, because youve already forgiven me, and if i have to tell you, is that really forgiveness . But it does lead to one obvious question what are they guilty of . For some of them, its pretty easy. Jared kushner has long been suspected of shady financial dealings, plus hes obviously slender man. Prosecutors are investigating don jr. For firstdegree douchebag with intent to distribute. I believe it goes nickel bag, dime bag, douchebag. And ivanka looks like maybe she shoplifts for thrills. How else did she get that can of beans . I dont believe eric has violated any laws, but hes still grateful to get a pardon. as eric this is the best Christmas Gift that my dad has ever given me. Also, the only Christmas Gift. Now, as someone who hasnt committed a lot of crime that i know of a preemptive blanket pardon for everything you might have done done seems a little excessive. Crimeing is like drinking its a red flag if you dont know exactly how many drinks youve had or crimes youve done. And in rudys case, how many crimes youve done while not knowing how many drinks youve had. Speaking of which, unlike the kids, rudy is facing specific allegations. The f. B. I. Is reportedly investigating giulianis ukraine efforts, including his possible ties to russian intelligence. Although, rudy believes he can prove its actually the f. B. I. Thats corrupt, based on some documents he got from his friends in russian intelligence. Its fun to guess which member of the administration did what, which is why we at the late show have created this fun criminal activity page. For you to download. On the left, you can see all of the potential pardongetters, and on the right, theres a list of crimes, like money laundering, tax evasion, and snorting coke off the last living black rhino. You have to match the person to their crime. And there are no wrong answers. Of course, its not just rudy and the kids. Several of the president s allies have begun a campaign to petition the west wing in hopes of securing pardons. One white house source says, you wont believe the amount of calls some insane weve gotten. Oh, i believe youre getting a lot of calls. What i dont believe is that only some of them are insane, because its not just members of this administration. Tiger king joe exotics attorney said he believes they are close to getting a president ial pardon. Oh, come on. A ridiculous, washedup, paranoid, obviously guilty reality star might pardon joe exotic . groove is in the heart ask carol about this slam stephen exotic submitted a formal application for a pardon, where he told the president , if i have ever looked up to anyone, it would be you. Yeah, joe exotic has modeled his career on the president. I mean, they even get their hair from the same cadaver. Weve got a great show for you tonight. My guests are kate winslet and Michael Eric Dyson. But when we return, its orgy time. Oh, yeah. Stick around. This week on the upper hands. Special guest flo challenges the hand models to show off the ease of comparing rates with progressives home quote explorer. International hand model jonjon gets personal. Your wayward pinky is grotesque. Then a high stakes pattycake Battle Royale ends in triumph. You have the upper hands its a race to the lowest rate, and so much more. Only on the upper hands. What oh, ooh oh yeah rate, holidits christmas oh, ooh oh yeah Christmas Glade limited Edition Holiday collection sc johnson wathis year, try shopping for mChristmas Gifts live. Theres a place you can go where great gifts fill each shelf no need for shipping just grab them yourself come find perfect presents up through Christmas Eve at prices almost too good to believe so if you still need gifts and its already december this is the place to spend less and gift better t. J. Maxx, marshalls, and homegoods. In a whole new way. Now roomba vacuums exactly where you need it, and offers personalized cleaning suggestions for a clean unique to you and your home. Roomba and the irobot home app. Only from irobot. Stephen hey, everybody. Welcome back to a late show. Lets say hello to jon batiste. Jon, hello. whistling i love your your musical birdlike language. Jon, i gotta give you a warning here. What were about to talk about in this act of the show is for mature audiences. Not that youre not a mature person, but i know youre pure as the driven snow. I wouldnt want to scandalize you, okay. Better a mill stone should be tied around my neck and cast into the deepest part of the river than one should scandalize his band leader. Jon oh i like the twist on that. I like that come on, man stephen just keep it in mind. How are you feeling . Jon im im feeling like i have whiplash. This whole year has felt its just so much to process. Its felt like a quick spin, and now the inertia is just my body has landed right here. Stephen i have done some sailing where you go to sea for a week and you come back and youre still but the whole world is moving. Thats what it feels like right now. He could be leaving, and the vaccine is coming. Im swimming with the possibilities. Jon im really hoping it is over, whatever that means, and that this is a new beginning. But, you know, we just got to just take it one day at a time. Stephen do you have anything do you have something calm that could that could turn my soul into a still ship on a silent sea. Jon i like what you were dealing with when you hit me up. You said. 250 years. Stephen wow. Stephen i didnt know beethoven could swing. Jon oh, yeah. Its been 250 years. He learned a thing or two, you know. Stephen jon batiste, everybody. Thank you, jon. Jon of course. Stephen of course, the pandemic continues to rage, but theres hope on the horizon. Ill catch you up on trying not to catch it in tonights installment of third. This will be a december to fuhgeddaboutit hey im stephen good enough. Two companies, moderna and pfizer, have vaccines that are tantalizingly close to market, just in time for the holidays. So this years favorite Stocking Stuffer is going to be hypodermic needles. In preparation, yesterday, the c. D. C. Came out with guidelines that say once theyre available, the first people to get the vaccine will be healthcare workers and people in nursing homes. Thats great news, because these days, everybodys sitting on the couch in their soft clothes watching wheel of fortune, so, technically, were all in nursing homes. Then, in february or march, the next priority groups are likely to be people over 65. Finally, by april, or june, healthy, nonessential workers younger than 65 will begin receiving the vaccine. You know what that means. According to the c. D. C. , im young woo time to fortnite an electric scooter while vaping a dab whos wap, now . Me . Because i seriously do not know. What a wap is. Now, weve all heard the stories of people flouting c. D. C. Guidelines to come together en masse for traditional latenovember gettogethers. I dont mean thanksgiving. Im talking about orgies what is that image . What oh oh, my. Both envelope stuffing. laughter because apparently, a new orleans swingers event became a superspreader after 41 attendees tested positive for coronavirus. Technically, every orgy involves super spreading. Also, lets look at that number again. 41 . Thats interesting, an odd number. That means 20 couples and karl. laughter the event in question was the annual naughty in nawlins swingers gathering. Oh, no but if this can happen at naughty in nawlins, it can happen anywhere im looking at you, dirty in detroit, domination in des moines, flesh fest in flagstaff, bone jam in birmingham, and butte stuff. Who could have seen this coming . Everyone, except the organizers of naughty in nawlins, who thought they could create guidelines to make the safe sex event safe for sex. For example, there was no dance floor, so attendees instead swayed in place at their tables. Eliminating dancing to keep your Swingers Convention safe is like leaving the sprinkles off your Ice Cream Cone before you rub it on your junk. laughter participants were also asked to keep detailed diaries of everyone they had contact with for more than 10 minutes at the convention, regardless of whether that contact involved sex, because nothing sets the mood at an anonymous flesh pit like detailed written records. Plus, it would be fun for your grandkids to find. Surprisingly, the city was on board with the event. One new orleans spokesman said they expected full compliance with safety guidelines. Theres your mistake not everyones into full compliance. Some people are only compliance curious. And some just like to stand in the corner and watch other people comply. Like karl. Unfortunately, attendees got a little tired of complying. According to the events organizer, they were super diligent on the first two days, and then they said, bleep it. Its our last day. Really, on the last day of an orgy convention is when people said bleep it . I assume thats when they say when they fire the starter pistol. Turns out, its not so easy to maintain proper social distancing in the rub room, because just one day after the event ended, they had their first reported covid case. The Event Organizer said, it was a wife who tested positive, but her husband tested negative. Ouch. I think i know who got naughtier in nawlins. faking coughs ooh, yeah, honey. I think i have it, too. Must be the equal amounts of crazy cool sex we both had at the orgy. coughing given the outcome, the naughty in nawlins organizers admit they do have regrets, with one saying, if i could go back in time, i would not produce this event again. laughter one, because of the virus. Two, because id use my time machine to produce getting freaky with the greeky full release in greece tap that, athens well be right back with kate winslet. Halls. Over video calls. With sweatpants. House plants. 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Youve got the holidays, and weve got you, with the best bargains ever. At ross. Yes for less yep get the gifts you love. Yesss . For everyone on your list. Youve got the holidays, and weve got you. With all the gift for less. At ross. Yes for less stephen welcome back, everybody. She is an emmy, grammy, and Academy Awardwinning actress you know from titanic, the reader, and now, ammonite. Please welcome back to a late show, kate winslet hello, kate. It sounds so weird, grammy. Oh, yes, okay stephen what is it for . Its actually for spoken word. Stephen sure, i got one of those. Its for spoken words, you know, because they give those out a lot. Stephen sure. Im very grateful. Yes, i do have a grammy. Anyway, moving on. Stephen i dont know if youve been binging, any but were coming up to the holiday season, and of course watching movies on tv during the holidays means watching the holiday. The holiday. Whenever it comes on, it just sucks you right in. Theres no escaping the story of you and jack black and jude law and cameron diaz. You have to. It is constitutionally responsible for americans to watch the holiday whenever it comes on. Do you watch your own holiday movie . No, i dont, stephen, no. Stephen god blessed come on but you clearly watch the holiday, stephen. Stephen every year, every year. You poor thing. Stephen my wife insists were watching it. Were watching it. I always enjoy it. Its always a pleasure. Ive been thanksgiving in london. I want to ask you about the holidays over there, because not this year but the year before that, we went over and spent thanksgiving in london visiting some friends. I cannot believe and ive said this before but i cannot believe the level to which you brits celebrate christmas. Much higher than we do over here. Do you because you dont have thanksgiving to get in your way. You can ramp up earlier. How i guess so. I mean, yeah, we we do christmas is a big deal here. And i think its its i dont know. Its good, oldfashioned tradition. You know, people sit around and eat a lot and drink a lot and generally eat a lot and dring a lot. Stephen do you do, like, mulled wine and the figgy pudding and all that stuff, like the classic dikeynesian stuff . Yes, we do, yes, we do. We do the classic dikeynesian stuff. Thats just how we are. Were all dikeynesian over here. We do mulled wine. And in my family, we have a tradition with the figgy pudding which is we stir it with a spoon that has been in our family for a number of years. And actually, were doing that this weekend. Its a lovely thing to pass on to the children because it belonged to their grandmother and to her mother before her. So its lovely. Stephen i have i need to ask you about a photograph, if you dont mind. Okay. Stephen this is. This is you in a dream moth ballet, apparently. What is going on here. Why are you under water with a man in scuba gear wearing moth wings . They were really heavy. Can i just tell you . Stephen yes. They were really heavy. Because to create definite movement under water with a piece of fabric that doesnt roll into a sort of nasty bit of towel, they had to really weight everything down. Ive got weights around my waist, as well as my neck, a neck weight to hold me down. Thats avatar. Thats avatar. Stephen so this is the James Cameron you were in 2 and 3, right . Yes, correct, yeah, 2 and 3. And that is a thats actually, i think thats a sort of a thats actually a birthgiving ceremony that my character, who is a water goddess, is essentially hosting. And, yeah, we all held our breath and went under water and gave birth. Stephen how long do you have to hold your breath . How long can they do this shot . How long are you holding your breath, kate winslet . Well, that shot, that particular scene, i think we all of us that were down there got up to about four minutes. But my longest breath hold actually was seven minutes and 14. Yeah, people stephen seven minutes and 14 thats david blainelevel stuff. How do you hold how do you hold your breath for seven minutes and 14 seconds . Did you have to train . I trained. I trained with the gentleman who i think you can see, actually, in that picture to my left. Hes hovering with a regulator. Stephen yes. So that was a wonderful, wonderful instructor named curt crock, and he taught me how to hold my breath for that long. What else can i tell you . Its not the kind of thing i could jump into a bath tub and do right now. You have to prepare your body for it. Its quite complicated. But i did it. I thought i died. I surfaced and i said, am i dead. Have i died . Stephen whats complicated about it . Whats complicated about holding your breath . What do you do . So typically god, i cant believe im talking about this on your show. Typiy, when you take a big breath gasps we breathe from here, but to take a proper deep breath is called a deep inhalation. You have to breathe right from the base of your stomach, and even the process of taking that peek inhalation can take 25 seconds, the process of breathing in. But you have to get your body to adjust, and its a complicated process. And i loved it, though. I mean i found the whole thing very meditative. It was amazing. I mean, what a great thing to be able to learn for your job. I was very lucky. Stephen the new movie is ammonite. When ive seen. Its a beautiful film. Its you and Saoirse Ronan, and others, but youre the two main characters. And you play a woman named mary anning. This is a real person. Who was mary anning . So, mary anning, she lived from 1799 to about 1847, and she was she was a woman of scientific brilliance in the world of paleontology. She was selftaught. She was uneducated, and very, very working class from a povertystricken background. And she she was the unsung hero of fossil discovery. She found the first icuous, when she was only 11 years old, and later on in her 20s found what was then discovered to be the first remains of a pterodactyl. She was also responsible for finding the copperrite, which is fossilized poo. From that discovery scientists were able to identify what dinosaurs had eaten. But she lefd in a world of geology that was dominated by men and who would buy her finds and claim them as their own discovery. So thats why i say she was an unsung hero. And it was an enormous privilege to play someone like her. She was a formidable character. Stephen its a beautiful film. A bit bleak at times. Its the 1840s on the seaside in england. I think before happiness was invented. Is and your character am i giving anything away when i say you and Saoirse Ronan fall in love . Youre not giving anything way. Stephen okay. And its a beautiful, hesitan hesitant. Eventually passionate love story. But its it builds in amidst such fear and unknown between their relationship. But the whole time im watching it, as beautiful as it is, im thinking, god, that must have been so uncomfortable to have all of that sea water on top of all that wool youre wearing. What was that like . Yeah, it was you know, it was all very challenging. Ill be honest. The experience of making the film was very hard. Mary anning had lived a very harsh life. And, yeah, as you you say, at times very bleak. And she was isolated. She worked alone. She lived largely alone with this quite difficult, can tankuous mother. And on meeting saoirses character, charlotte murchison, some gentle joy comes into her life. It was a real privilege to be abe to give mary, i think, a relationship that felt that felt worthy of her and to pair her with an equal with a woman was just a really wonderful experience. And i had to live a sort of strange isolated life, though, when i was playing her. Because you know, when youre an actor they put you up in hotelss and they make it comfortable for you. And i just knew i couldnt really do that. Because i had to i had to do everything i could to sort of be mary. I got a bit method. I lived in a Little Cottage by myself from monday until friday on the beach. And it was so it was so isolated and cold and rattly, that when there was a big storm the waves would hit the windows of the house and the power would go down, and i would like there thinking, kate, why are you doing this . Go to the hotel with everybody else. Stephen Club Sandwich and order fries. Honestly, i would eat this weird soup and i would walk around sketching things and trying to live by candlelight. It was ridiculous, actually. It was ridiculous. Stephen we have a clip here. Do you know whats happening in this clip . I think this is a clip when this is in the early stages of charlottes marys romantic relationship beginning, and theyre out on the beach, and together they discover they discover a fossil together. Stephen eate, jim. Mary, look whats fallen down. 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This new book Long Time Coming uses a slightly different form that youve used in the past. This is written in the form of letters to black victims of Police Brutality and racism in the United States. Why did you want to write these letters to these people, rather than about them . Yes, sir. Its a great distinction. I didnt want to further objectify them. I didnt want to exploit their death as a way to sell books. I wanted to commune with them. Its not in a looseygoosy abstract sense. I mean learn from their wisdom, draw from their recently ancestral status. And i wanted to say by talking to them, by communing with them, im thinking out loud. Its forcing me to talk about how they died. What are the reasons for which they were killed . How do we stop the train of incessant killing of black people, especially at the hands of cops, but also by vigilantes . And what can we do to derive wisdom from their journey so that we can prevent others from suffering a similar fate. Stephen the books, in some ways, is a response to the protests this summer over Police Brutality. They were massive, some of the largest protests in history, not only in the United States but around the world. Of course, one of the one of the questions that arileses after a social moment like that is how is that sustained . And how is that turned into something lasting . Yeah, thats a great question. And thats what all social organizers try to figure out how do you take a moment and make it a movement. Martin luther king jr. Surfaced became famous, and then was killed, what, 12 years later. Its not long, the trajectory of transformation that you have at your diposable. So what you want to do is leverage the moment in a way by thinking how can we replicate what we saw on the streets in the corporate sweelts . How can we make it work in schools . How can we make it work in our jobs that we enjoy every day, the opportunity to talk to one another . So you want to translate the tremendous power that we saw in those streets and make no mistake. Not only was one of the largest histories around the globe, but White Brothers and sisters who saw george floyd die, because they were at home, because the pandemic said, weve all got to be our screens. So were looking, so it came across as a very powerful moment. And then white brother brothersd sisters, among others, saw that the covid pandemic had already assaulted black bodies. So they were more empathetic. So as a result of that, george floyd got to them in a way that, say, eric garner had not, in a way that other black deaths, Walter Scott Scott and mike brown had not. So take this moment of reckoning and use it as an opportunity to reflect more critically upon our lives and figure out how we can extend it beyond the yahoo, and the celebration, and the right on to something deep and sustained. Stephen one of the rallying cries i want to get to another one. I want to get to i cant breathe in just a moment. But one of them was defund the police, calls to defund the police. Barack obama said this week that defund the police, he called it let me get this right a snappy slogan that lost a big audience. Do you agree with him that that while the attention may be right, calling for defunding the police can turn off a wide swath of the populace . Well, theres no question about that. And then, i know people who are upset with him, but if you read the entire interview, the way the question was set up, hes trying to answer it based upon the presumption that using that phrase would already lose people. But remember this Martin Luther king jr. , said, hey, the moderate, white ministers in birmingham wrote me an open letter, and they accused me of being an extremist. And he said, first it got to me. But then i thought, wait a minute, jesus was an extremist for love. Amos was an extremist for justice. Martin luther for reformation. So i got used to that term and embraced it. The question is what are we talking about here . If barack obama rightly says, hey, do you want the commercial or the product . Do you want to sell it and celebrate it and say, hey, were all doing it . Or do you want to quietly move up to the bar and say, look, this is the stuff naneeds to happen. That i agree with. But heres the problem if youre using your particular moment, mr. Obama and you have one of the biggest platforms in the world besides Stephen Colbert, youve got the next biggest one figure out how to say, look, but i stand with those who want to reform the police. In fact, i stand with those who want to abolish some of the horrible practices here. Abolition was not a big thing white peoples liked in the midine00s in this country, but guess what . It was the right thing to do. I believe in being selfcritical and being introspective. Use words that wont turn people off, but at the same time, dont use your platform to make the vulnerable more vulnerable. If, in your moderation, you are strong against the weak but you are weak against the strong, your moderation is worse than expedient. Its cowardly at that point. And we dont want to use a platform to reinforce the power of those who already are mighty and undercut those who have a real issue here. The police have harmed and hurt people for so long, that maybe reformation is not enough. And let me say this, too. Defund simply means this you want to put money in the accounts of those who are Mental Health experts so that when the police are called, you can send them out. So, yeah, find a different word, find a different phrase, but i think obama could stand behind those who want to find new ways to encounter old problems. Stephen we have to take a quick break. But when we come back, ill ask professor dyson what gives him hope. Stick around. 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Yeah, the only problem i have with that is that when you look at the tiki torch bearers, they were young, well coiffed, had nice hair dos, but they were promoting neofascism and neonaziism. In other words, just because youre younger doesnt mean youre more enlightened. You have to have a real intention to change the world as we see it. A pew report study said that except for interracial marriage, millennials think the same thing about race as the boomers did. So stop with the okay boomer, stuff, because you think the same things that they did. And at the end of the day, besides interracial relationships, theyre pretty much on the same page. That means weve got real work to do, and just being young aint enough. Stephen the book ends with a plea for hope. How do you stay hopeful . What gives you hope right now . Well, you know, look, besides watching your show and seeing you directly the most edifying venom against the most vicious presidency wevine seen, i dig into my faith. And i say, look, howard thurman, one of the great mistacs in my tradition, said you cant reduce your dreams to the event youre confronting right now. The thing youre confronting right now may look like a huge obstacle. But our slave forparents envugzed the world. You can be a prisoner of event or a prisoner of hope. I choose to be a prisoner of hope. No matter how dark it gets, it can be brighter. No matter how horrible things look, they can be made better. And no matter how we have given in to the worst angels of our souls, we can appeal to the better angels of our nature. Stephen well, can the time is available now. Michael eric dyson, everybody. Well be right ba in a land not so far away. People are saving hundreds on the most Reliable Network with xfinity mobile. They can choose from the latest phones or bring their own. And choose the data option thats right for them. They even get nationwide 5g at no extra cost. 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