In this episode Rich speaks with Dave Fogle from Civo and Kris Nova from Twilio. Topics include: How Dave’s tweet “From homeless to Kubecon in 7 years” brought us together, Dave and Kris’s stories about how they became homeless, how they took care of their gear, their love of open source software and how they used it to level up, and how they transitioned from being on the street to tech jobs.