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messenger, i would say he was a hypocrital messenger. the question was did he make a mistake or change his mind, but he knew then it was wrong and that, among other things, weighed him down. it's rare to hear politicians say i was making that mistake for ambition, an honest coping to the problem. what do you see in the tale of chris christie? >> it's been said that hypocrisy is the tribute that leads to virtue. chris christie is constantly going between vice and virtue.