Tonight whether Republican Civil War is over no matter what senator ben sasse saying. And then Jared Bernstein on why democrats are ignoring experts who blew the response to the last recovery. Is bidens new progressive Foreign Policy here to stay . Is the socalled Bullhorn Lady is taken into custody, the Cell Phone Surveillance helping to track down insurrectionists. All in starts right now. Good evening from washington, d. C. Im Mendi Hasan In for chris hayes. The former president having lost and inspiring an insurrection is facing his second Impeachment Trial next week and his successor is telling cbs news tonight that his predecessor cannot be trusted with the nations top secret intelligence. Let me ask you something you do have oversight of as president. Should former President Trump still receive Intelligence Briefings . I think not. Why not . Because of his erratic behavior unrelated to the insurrection. Youve called him an existential threat, youre called him dangerous, youve called him reckless. Yeah, i have. And i believe it. Whats your worst fear if he continues to get these Intelligence Briefings . I would rather not speculate out loud. I just think that theres no need for him to have that Intelligence Briefing. What value is giving him an Intelligence Briefing . What impact does he have at all other than the fact he might slip and Say Something . It would normally be crazy to say that a former president cant be trusted with the nations secrets. But these are not normal times. And in this case, the former president just incited an insurrection against his own country. And while trump stews is plots against his enemies, the next generation of Republican Leadership is making clear that they remain his loyal foot soldiers. Ive always supported him. And i want to tell you, Republican Voters support him still. The party is his. It doesnt belong to anybody else. There has been this talk about a civil war within the Republican Party with trump and people like Marjorie Taylor greene and matt gaetz and ted cruz on one side and on the other side people like liz cheney and senator ben sasse who stand for the more traditional gop. But talk of such a war implies that there are two moral less equal sides and this isnt that kind of war. Its more of a rout. They find that green has a net favorability among republicans of plus ten. Liz cheneys favorability is negative 28. Cheney is an avatar in some ways of the pretrump Republican Party which most of the gop base no longer wants anything to do with. 64 of gop voters said in another new poll that if trump were to start a new political party, theyd likely join it. This is one of the oldest Political Parties in the Western Democratic world. The party of lincoln, of eisenhower. But most gop voters dont have any use for it. Theyre not tied to the Republican Party. They are tied to donald trump and to the politics of defiance and grievance that he represents. Theres no governing philosophy any longer, no faints towards small government or Supply Side Economics or any of that. Its just own the libs and fight cancel culture. Its why people like Marjorie Taylor greene dont care if they get kicked off congressional committees which is where the work of government is supposed to take place. If theres anything we learned from four years of trump, its that this simply is not a governance project of any kind. Im fine with being kicked off of my committees because it would be a waste of my time. I have a lot of free times on my hands which means i can talk to a whole lot more people. And thats all she wants to do. Like trump before her, shes a professional troll who happens to have been elected to a job in government that she doesnt particularly want to do. Lets talk about the other side in this socalled Republican Civil War. Its true that liz cheney survived a vote to remove her from leadership after she voted to impeach trump, but it was a secret ballot. They made sure no one knew who voted for her. Thats not exactly a vote for confidence. And the next day, cheney herself voted against kicking greene off her committees in a vote that was not secret. She knows which way the wind is blowing. In the end, only 11 House Republicans voted to kick greene off her committees and only ten of them voted to impeach trump for inciting a violent insurrection. Roughly 95 of the gop house caucus sided with trump and greene. Thats who the party belongs to. Thats true at the state level, especially. In arizona where republicans lost the president ial race for the First Time Since 1996, the state gop responded by censuring cindy mccain and other Top Republicans at odds with trump. In illinois, gop congressman Adam Kinzinger was censured by republicans for voting to impeach trump and in nebraska, ben sasse is facing a possible censure from his state Party Central committee which prompted this response from sasse. The anger has always been about me not bending the knee to one guy. I still believe that politics isnt about the weird worship of one dude. Lets talk about ben sasse for a moment because he is a reflection and embodiment of so much of whats wrong with his party. Today is the oneyear anniversary of the acquittal of donald j. Trump in his first Senate Impeachment trial. You remember that. And you know who voted to acquit with the exception of mitt romney, every single republican senator, including one ben sasse. The nebraska start wants credit for having sometimes been critical of trump. But he went silent, even quitting twitter ahead of his own reelection in a successful pursuit of a complete and total endorsement from the president. And then he voted to acquit a year ago today when he actually had a chance, the power, to do something to stop the disastrous trump presidency. Now that trump is gone, sasse wants us to think hes a bold truth teller. Some of us have longer memories than just yesterday. Sasse has more in common with Marjorie Taylor greene than he might like to admit. They both hitched their wagon to trump because they know thats the way republicans win now. And now the party of trump lurches forward without a governing agenda outside of culture wars and bashing democrats as socialists, while worshiping at the altar of the twice impeached former president. And thats exactly how Marjorie Taylor greene wants it. While there were ten that voted for impeachment against President Trump and they definitely paid the price, they heard from Republican Voters, the base is loyal to President Trump and the base has been very loyal to me and theyve shown me that. Democratic congresswoman Nikema Williams of georgia introduced a resolution to censure Marjorie Taylor greene. She joins me now. Thanks for joining me on the show. Your republican colleagues have supported Marjorie Taylor greene even as we learn more and more about that violence that she supported, her love of lies, Conspiracy Theories, racism. How do you work with a Republican Party thats made it clear they value Conspiracy Theories over evidence, fiction over fact, time and again . Should democrats even bother trying . I am here to do the work of the people and i keep hearing people on the other side saying that democrats should be working towards unity and people ask me about working in a bipartisan fashion and i tell them all the time that i can work with anyone as long as our disagreement is not based in my oppression and the denial of my humanity as a person. And there are some people on the other side of the aisle who truly do not me that me as a black woman should be serving in this body. I know democrats still have the majority. It doesnt matter how slim the margin. A majority is a majority and were moving forward with doing the work of the people. We held Marjorie Taylor greene accountable yesterday and on the same day i was in my House Financial ServicesCommittee Hearing talking about how do we extend the eviction moratorium. How do we get people the support they need on the ground. Thats what im here for to help people. And people in her district are hurting too. Its baffling to me that she would Say Committee work is not important. You mentioned her district. Im listening to you speak. You are both congresswomen from georgia. You are a woman of color elected from the Democratic Party in georgia. You are quoting James Baldwin to me on television and here she is, elected from georgia quoting q and all sorts of other freaks from the internet. Its pretty indicative, sadly, of the weird divide in our country right now. Georgia is a tale of two states right now. What we saw in our very historic elections with our two new u. S. Senators is that were a battleground state. And that means that we are 50 50 and we have to fight for every vote and continue to tell our story. What it also showed us is that georgia is ready for big change and we sent a black man and jewish man to represent the deep south. Marjorie Taylor Greene represents her party, but im the future of this country. Black people, jewish people, were Building Coalitions to make sure everyone in this country is represented. Do you feel safe in the hallways of congress right now as a woman of color . So i remember the day of the insurrection. My husband dropped me off at the capitol because he was here in d. C. With me after my swearing in and i told him that day that once i got inside of the building, i would be safe. And that just turned out that it was couldnt have been further from the truth. And now i dont like to walk places alone. Today i went for a vote and the Capitol Police that are standing right outside of the chamber, they joked because my Chief Of Staff wasnt standing right there with me. Theyre like, where is she . She doesnt let you go anywhere alone because its not safe. I have 24hour security at my home just to keep my family safe. I have a 5yearold son who asked me, can the bad guys climb the building to get into my apartment . So we have a long way to go to make sure every member of the body is safe when were here doing the work of the people. That is truly depressing to hear you talk about your security and child about that. Its depressing. Joe biden is saying tonight on cbs news that donald trump should no longer get Intelligence Briefings . Do you believe donald trump is a threat to National Security . Donald trump is absolutely a threat to National Security. I voted to impeach him. He should never be allowed to run for office again and i also filed a resolution saying that he shouldnt be allowed back on capitol hill because i dont want him hosting rallies, hosting events. He still controls the Republican Party. He controls a large swath of people across the country who want to incite violence on elected leaders in this country. So he absolutely should not be getting Intelligence Briefings. He never read them anyway. Congresswoman Nikema Williams, thank you for your time. This is true. Thank you. Brendan buck, the press secretary for john boehner as well as the chief Communications Adviser for paul ryan. Thank you for coming on the show. Trump has been office for more than two weeks. We were told once hes gone, he would lose his grip on the gop. Clearly he hasnt lost his grip on the gop. Theyre still beholden to him, how come . I dont know who told you that. I certainly wasnt expecting that. It was never going to be a clean break. I think there are still a lot of members of congress, despite what they say publicly, who dont care for him. But their voters still passionately do. Its going to be a process. Youve made clear that you think this Republican Civil War is over. I dont necessarily disagree that the trumpists have won the war. But nothing lasts forever in politics and its silly to together that okay. There are still thoughtful, principled people in congress and i think its wrong to equate a ben sasse with a Marjorie Taylor greene. Ben sasse has a world view. He has policy, principles that are firmly held and he believes it. He goes to washington to try to get things done. When we say that hes just like Marjorie Taylor greene, i think thats ridiculous. Marjorie Taylor Greene has no interest just to be clear go ahead. Just to be clear, just to be clear, when i said a moment ago that he is the same as Marjorie Taylor greene, i was referring specifically to linking his career to donald trump. Its undeniable that he stopped criticizing trump in order to get trumps endorsement. Its undeniable that a year ago today he did not vote to convict donald trump. Of course hes not like Marjorie Taylor greene. You worked for john boehner and paul ryan, quote unquote, establishment republicans. Didnt this all start on their watch, the birtherism, the conspiracies . They would argue that theyre the symptoms of the broken party, not the cause of it. I think it would go back farther. One of the reasons that donald trump was able to overtake the Republican Party was that so many Republican Voters hate the Republican Party. For 20 years, it has been currency to mislead them and attack basically our own leadership. Whether youre talking about talk radio, blogs, certain cable channels. When we were in the speakers office, that was currency to attack us and basically say, youre just not fighting hard enough. Thats the ethos right now. Ted cruz told us if we thought a little harder we could pass obama care. If voters see that youre not delivering, theyre going to hate you. One of the challenges, being a republican Establishment Leader is that your base dislikes you so much and theyve been fed so many lies for so long. I wish when we were there we pushed back on ted cruz who was just lying to people about what was possible and he knew it wasnt possible. There were a lot of things we probably could have done better to push back on this. So chris hayes, he often makes the point that republicans in congress traded 400,000 dead for tax cuts and judges. Your former boss began by confusing donald trump of textbook racism. And once he was in office, he was saying, well, im not reading his tweets and he was praising the tax cuts. Isnt that the problem . No, i think that is your narrative of how we handled it. For all of your viewers who think we did everything donald trump wanted to do, i promise you there are plenty of trump voters who think paul ryan was getting in the way of everything he wanted to do. The reality s we worked with him when we could, we spoke out when we felt we needed to and we got some things done that we think are good policy. When did paul ryan speak out against donald trump once he was president . When did paul ryan speak out against donald trump . Countless times, during child separation, pardons, when he would attack mika brzezinski. Countless times that people just sort of overlook. Thats fine. Ask any trump voter whether they think that paul ryan was a donald trump ally. The point is i think were out of time. But i appreciate you coming on and making the counterargument. Thank you so much for your time. Thanks. More news from the president on what parts of the covid relief bill hes willing to negotiate on. 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