Years. Were ready to go. Later. Kidnapped in natity. Two americans, a nurse and her young daughter taken. Well have an effort on the update to get them both home. Good morning. Thanks for joining us. Its 10 00 eastern. Im ana cabrera in new york. The First Court Hearing for the third defendant in the classified documents case. In just a few minutes we expect to see Carlos Deolive Era appear before a federal judge in a courthouse. Hes accused in a scheme to destroy Security Footage at maralago. It apparently shows workers moving boxes of classified documents. Our katie phang is outside that courthouse in miami. Nbcs Ken Dilanian Is Standing by with the justice department. Also with us, former House Committee spokesperson hannah mull daven. Katie, what can we expect from todays hearing . Reporter good morning. Were outside the lebron James Lawrence king federal courthouse. The different one that donald trump was arraigned in a few weeks ago, but the same that walt nauta was arraigned in. Theres a very small crowd here, definitely not the seen weve seen for prior arraignments. However, the biggest question is, because i just checked pacer, theres been a filing of local counsel on behalf of carlos deoliveira. If you are are not licensed in florida, you cannot participate. Deolive era should hear the nature of the charges. His bond status should be addressed. When it comes to the entering of a flee, cue probably wont see that until the actual arraignment. Walt nauta pushed his arraignment out on two separate occasions, claiming he couldnt find local counsel. As of right now theres no local counsel that has appeared on behalf of Carlos Deolive Era. Let me ask you. According to the indictment, trump said he was going to get him a lawyer. Did that not happen . Well, from my sources, anna, trumps legal team has been actively involved in basically approving the lawyers that have come on board for walt nauta. Im going to expect the same situation. Youre correct, the superseding indictment says that trump told deolive era, but sometimes theres no delivery in what he promises. Why is it that hes just now facing indictment . The only people that know the answer are jack smith and his team, the Special Counsel. Theyre not commenting. We know from Washington Post reporting over the weekend that deoliviera came under whats known as a queen for a day proffer. He spoke to prosecutors and they were not happy with the story he told. They didnt believe he was telling the truth. That was in april. Its not clear why they didnt include this with the original indictment. The real significance is not the rj chas against a low level property manager, that these are knew obstruction of Justice Charges against the former president. Destruction of evidence, a deeply significant charge, why it wasnt in the first indictment and was added later might be a strategic reason. Clearly theyd like to flip de oliviera because he spoke with trump and had another conversation where he said the boss wants the footage deleted. If hes a codefendant, hes not going to testify about that conversation. Hes facing a false statements charge, but right now he is standing fast and using lawyers paid for by Donald TrumpsPolitical Action committee. Chuck, i have to think with more defendants, more chance for delay. What about the impact on perception . Does trying them together sort of defuse the responsibility or accountability, putting trump at the same level as these more Pir Riff Ral Players . Interesting question, ana. Theres a presumption that people commit crimes together, theyll be tried together. That happens all the time in courts in the united states. Youre right. There is quite a disparity between mr. Trump on one hand and two lowlevel aides on the other. Thats a strategic decision for the Special Counsel whether it wants mr. Trump alone at trial. They could have easily arranged for that by only indicting him or whether they dont mind having a codefendant sitting next to them. One problem with codefendants, there are three defendants in this case. That means three teams of Defense Attorneys, three Defense Attorneys making opening statements, three Defense Attorneys making closing arguments. And each and every government witness being cross examined by three Defense Attorneys. It does introduce a different dynamic. It also, ana, happens all the time. Im confident the government has thought about this and believes its the best way to try people who committed crimes together, trying them jointly, ana. But at this point could we still see trumps case break off from deoliveiras and nautas . Is it too late . Its not too late. Its a theoretical possibility. Theres a Rule Of Federal Criminal Procedure which permits defendants in a joint trial to move to sever their case from their codefendants. Often made, seldom granted. The reason its set seldom granted, ana, number one, its inefficient to take a single case and break it into smaller pieces. Its three trials, three juries, and it takes much longer. Second, also, theres a presumption in the law if you commit a crime together, youre tried together. Defense attorneys can try to sever their clients from the single try. I expect they will make that motion. If past is prologue, it wont succeed. Hannah, as weve been discussing for days now, trump is expected another Fet Ral Environment in the interference probe. He went on the offense threatening republicans who dont investigate democrats. Take a listen. But the biggest complaint that i get is that the republicans find out this information and then they do nothing about it they dont do anything about it. Any republican that doesnt act on democrat fraud should be immediately primaried and get out. Hannah, whats your reaction to that . This is Donald Trumps playbook. We saw this happened during the january 6th plot to overturn the election. The most memorable to me is a meeting donald trump was having with the department of justice where he said just say it is fraud and leave it up to me. Kevin mccarthy, jim jordan who actually leads this Weaponization Committee in congress that donald trump is trying to weaponize on his behalf to interfere in these investigations. But this is unsurprising hes trying to make the focus of the entire Republican Party those maga republicans on the hill, focused on his investigations and helping him. Its just ironic that the republicans have this Weaponization Committee and donald trump is trying to make them weaponize their efforts to help him. Chuck, the Washington Post is reporting that trumps super pac spent more than 40 million defending trump, his advisers as well as others. First, your reaction to that huge number, 40 million. Is there an issue with this trump group paying legal fees . Could it be seen as trying to influence future witnesses . Its a lot of money. The Second Question raises a bunch of interesting issues. A lawyer has an absolute obligation to her client regardless of who is paying the lawyers fees. Presuming the best, each and every lawyer, regardless of who theyre being paid by has an absolute duty of loyalty and confidentiality to their clients. But it does raise appearance issues. Its something the government has to be wary of. Conflicts can also arise. For instance, if one attorney is representing multiple clients in a case, there could be conflicts between the clients. So this is something the government has to keep an eye on. Im not surprised it costs a lot of money because mr. Trump has generated a lot of cases and a lot of work for a lot of Defense Attorneys. That said, the bigger issue from the governments perspective is conflicts and something it has to watch carefully, and if necessary, bring it to the attention of the court and perhaps move to exclude a particular lawyer from the case. Thats all for down the road, but its an issue to keep an eye on. Guys, i just have to call attention to the fact that de oliveira just arrived at the courthouse. There was a question about whether the hearing could be delayed over issues of getting a floridabased attorney. I wanted to bring that quick update. It sounds like, katie, he must have secured an attorney . Reporter well, we have him on camera arriving at the courthouse right now. You can see it. There are two people with him, one of whom we can confirm is john irving, a lawyer we know has been representing him previously. John irving, as we also know, is not licensed to practice in the Southern District of florida. Ana, whats interesting, on your prior graphic we didnt have an image of his face. Now we do have an image. Its been illusive for those of news the media trying to determine what he looks like. His arraignment will begin in approximately 15 minutes. I will be inside to see what happens and whether or not it gets rolled over for him to get local counsel. Hannah, i want to ask you about the money spent on these lawyers by trump and his supporters. I have to wonder, if those donors who are paying into this big super pac fund, if they know where the money is going . The january 6th Committee Looked into whether donors were duped. What are your feelings about the millions upon millions going to defend trump and his other in his orbit . Representative zoe lofgren called it the big ripoff in juan of our hearings. We found the rnc and the Trump Campaign made a total of 250 million in the months after the election based off of this lie, where voters thought their money was going into an Election Defense Fund that was completely about trying to overturn the election. One thing i would like to mention, ana, were talking about obstruction here and donald trump trying to obstruct an investigation. We found substantial concerns that we had about donald trump trying to obstruct the january 6th committees investigation. We had lawyers that were paid for by that save america pac we found were telling their clients to give false or misleading statements to the select committee. Cassidy hutchinson changed her lawyers because of this very purpose, where they told her to just say you dont recall something that she did recall. We found many instances of donald trump trying to contact select committee witnesses. I wanted to add that in there because we know donald trump has done this before. The select Committee Gave this information to both the department of justice and the prosecutors in georgia, and he should be concerned about this, because they have information that we know of of him tampering in our investigation. We can see this is clearly a pattern with the maralago case were looking at now. Hannah, chuck, ken and katie, thanks to all of you. Katie just headed into the courthouse. The hearing about to get under way. When were back in 60 seconds, a new look into another legal case looming for donald trump. New comments from a georgia District Attorney about her probe as barricades go up outside that courthouse. An american nurse and her daughter kidnapped in haiti. Whats being done to get them home. Later, a bull shark hits a Florida Fishing Boat not once, not twice, by eight times. More on that attack that left the vessel with catastrophic damage. Youre watching ana cabrera reports. Were back in just one minute. Reports. 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Com you really got the brows. Even as we watch that courthouse in florida, were watching Fulton CountyDistrict Attorney fani willis giving a rare update on that states investigation into the former president and her probe into efforts b d allies to overturn georgias 2020 election results. The work is accomplished. Weve been working for 2 1 2 years. Were ready to go. Some people may not be happy with the decisions im making. Sometimes when people are unhappy, they act in a way that could create harm. Im not willing to put my employees in harms way. Joining us nbc cleel analyst charles pull man and Blayne Alexander at the courthouse. Blayne, can you walk us through how that courthouse is preparing . Ill start with the Breaking News this morning, ana. Former President Donald Trump has made three legal attempts in georgia to essentially get this entire investigation to go away. Another one of those has been denied this morning. He made a request before judge Robert Mcbernie overseeing The Grand Jury to have fani willis disqualified. The judge shot it down and said hes going to deny that request. His attorneys made the same request to the georgia supreme court. They unanimously voted to shoot that down as well. Theres one outstanding request as well. Certainly another blow to the Trump Legal Team as they try to get any disqualification for fani willis. As for whats happening in front of the courthouse, you see the orange barricades. They coincide with today being the first day of a threeweek period that fani willis laid out in a letter a couple months ago to Law Enforcement giving the strongest indication yet that this is the time period when she would announce charging decisions. Shes having 70 of staff work from home, asking the judge To Mott Schedule in person trials during this time. The other thing we know about this, as we read the tea leaves is we know there are two grand juries currently seated as we speak. One that meets on mondays and tuesdays. The other that meets on thursdays and fridays. One of those two grand juries will be hearing the presentation of this case. Charles, do you any fani willis is ahead of jack smiths team ahead of potential indictments, because of how they overlap . These two investigations are dealing with a similar set of facts. I do think its possible theyre in touch with one another. Theres no reason that fani willis or jack smith would have to change their approach. Fani willis is at the state level, jack smith at the federal level. Neither of them will conflict with mat the other is doing. Photographs from a Security Standpoint and timing standpoint, they might seek to coordinate with one another. Would more indictments, charles, create complications for the other cases already proceeding, the classified documents case, e. Jean carroll case, u. S. Fraud investigation. All of those have court dates on the calendar for the former president. If you are trumps lawyers, how in the world do you defend against all of this . Thats a great question. I think the answers are tied into one another. First and foremost, because of judge cannons may 20th, 2024 ruling in the maralago case, if im Donald Trumps attorneys, im going to be using that case for the benchmark for every other case that might come up, every other indictment. Im going to be using that initial date to try to serve as the benchmark Going Forward for Anything Else that comes after it. Why . Thats the best opportunity im going to have to delay things going into the future. Its going to be my best shot at pushing things as far out as possible. So those strategies are basically going to coalesce. If im Donald Trumps attorneys, im thinking about every case he gets indicted for becomes a new complication essentially on the cal deferment i try to use each and every one of them to get each one pushed into the future. Thats his only legal strategy. He doesnt have much to stand on because the facts in nearly every case hes dealing with, whether its civil or criminal, are overwhelming. Zooming back into georgia and where you are, blayne, with the Security Precautions that have been taken there, can you dive into why they feel the need to take those precautions . Whats the sense on the ground there . Is there a lot of anticipation . Is it watch and wait . Certainly a lot of an tis pachlgts i think its important to point out that fani willis has request additional security. She wrote le