Conversation with gun safety activist david hogg. A caught up with him on the mall, to discuss the plague of gun violence ands latest chapter on right here on nbc. The last few weeks have been historic, unprecedented and yes at times pretty alarming. Former President Donald Trump is under an avalanche of legal trouble. And remember those, cases are not just about the criminal conduct of one man. They are about the future of our democracy, our very way of life. The stakes for this country cannot be higher in this moment, and the question who is leading the country impacts every single issue cared about. So we will continue to talk about those cases through every twist and turn. Believe me i believe the former president under multiple indictments is enough to shake the confidence of anyone. But today were gonna change things up a little bit. Partly because i was recent alarm that when i saw that 30 of voters think were in danger of failing as a nation. Failing. So want to spend the show talking with some of the people about some of the efforts to make progress even with the threat of trump hanging over everything. Not to sugarcoat the challenges. Were not gonna do that but to explore during the period that can feel pretty dark where there are places to be a little hopeful. Even against the backdrop of the past two have crazy years, democrats and republicans worked with 251 bipartisan bill. Some small ones, but some present headway. Gun safety legislation, an infrastructure bill, chips act, the Inflation Reduction Act just to name a few. And at the state level, there are a lot of governors who are not as beholden to the polarizing dynamics that weve seen in washington. Among them democratic governor jared pulls of colorado and, republican governor spencer cox of utah, who recently lost to launch a new bipartisan rhetoric to tone down the rhetoric, asking americans to quote disagree better. There is a healthy way to deal with conflicting opinions. Actually its okay to disagree. Its not just okay, its crucial. Did you just disagree with me about . Disagreeing helps the disagreement and hes not assuming that the other side is diluted, misinformed or actively trying to overthrow america. A little respect, curiosity keeps resentment off the dinner table. That sounds good. Governor poles and governor cox think we can all disagree better. But can we . When fundamental rights are being stripped away . And when one chunk of the country thinks with good reason for the way the leader of the opposition is a criminal . And how exactly do we . Do it joining me now is the government democratic governor of colorado jarred polls. Governor, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. I really appreciate you taking the time. Always a Pleasure Jane Good to be here. I want to start where i ended here, because a lot of it sounds good. But with all of the fundamental challenges to the rights of people. Youve talked about those publicly as well. How do we exactly disagree better . And how are gonna measure success in this effort . This isnt just something that is nice to do are nice to have, its something we have to do to restore our faith and integrity in the system. First of all, its important to point out that it doesnt mean that anybody, conservative or liberal attorneys to compromise their belief or values. What it does mean we should have authentic conversations not questioning the motives of those on the other side but rather have an authentic conversation about where we disagree, and yes about where we agree. Theres a lot of ground for agreement as well. Spencer cox through the National Governors association representing the governors of all the states and territories are really highlighting this as what i feel frankly is the most important issue. Beyond a particular issue, newman i might get into later, is this overlay of how we discuss these issues over what we disagree, weve got a simply step up and do better as a nation. So this feels hard in a moment when people as a said feel like the rights to being threatened, and there are big, Big Disagreements on important issues. As you mentioned youre working with governor cox. He just signed a ban on Abortion Clinics in his state. How do you disagree civilly . Its hard for people who are having a hard time of this. So for people you have such fundamental disagreements with . And i think from our perspective in the way we talk about it its important bring people together. I think that what your, finals of choice advocates, myself included, yourself included, we would love to find ways to reduce unwanted pregnancies. When a woman faces that choice, its always very difficult. And of course i will argue every moment that is their choice, but how did that women get to that situation . How can we make sure that women are equipped with the right information, with the right access to Birth Control to avoid ever having to face what is a very gut wrenching decision no matter how and if the government weighs in on it. I want to ask you about something personal as well because this is where it becomes very hard for people. Maybe this can be a lesson to others. You are an openly gay politician. You were one of the first. Right now there are republican policies centered around cultural wars, demonizing the Lgbtq Community. This means also disagreeing civilly with people who may disagree with who you are. How do you deal with that and how can people deal that in general . Well its important not to demonize the other side. Again its fine to have disagreements about how you live your life and i respect people of different faith traditions who want to live their lives in certain ways and hope that they have that same shared respect for me. What is important is that we dont go into our corners and say that is an evil person because maybe they dont accept the fact that i married or maybe on my side they think that somebody who is from the Lgbtq Community but have been stigmatized or attacked by religion my tend to demonize people of various faiths. Its time to set that aside and say look, its wrong to demonize people to dehumanize people. Its okay to disagree and its okay to have those conversations, but we are not worth as individuals and we need to highlight that. So one of the challenges governor polls that you are very familiar with is the fact that nearly two thirds of republicans still believe the falsehood the biden didnt win the 2020 election. That feels kind of fundamental to a lot of these disagreements. How do you deal with that and how can meet them where they are to separate that fact from fiction . Frankly, i think that is more than a cause. Its also more of a result in this dynamic that were in weve got to get out of. Where people are somehow viewing those who oppose them not of moral worth and somehow dehumanizing and moving away from objective fact into the realm of subjective opinion. Its important to get the facts on the table. That includes education outreach, making sure that we have these authentic conversations. It doesnt get better by people retreating into the corners and only talking to people who agree with them. So i really encourage people to go ahead and call that cousin, that uncle, that neighbor who might feel a different way and not start in an accusatory way but say lets have a real talk about this and your concerns. Ask them to explain why or how they didnt think an Election Turnout the way it did. Again you, can talk about the facts and have that conversation at that level rather at the level of doubting the motives those who may feel differently than you. One of the places people may start is where they agree. You may recommend that im guessing. So i know you disagree with governor cox on a lot. What is an area you agree that might surprise people . Just this morning, governor cox and i did a forum on Workforce Innovation and readiness. How can we deconstruct and prea create a new way with apprenticeships, with students getting associate degrees in high school. And highlight something that is a national issue. How do we make sure that students from all backgrounds get the skills they need to succeed. It feels a vital need of todays workforce. We have two job openings for every unemployed person in our state, but many people who are employed dont have the skills in need to get those good jobs. How do you focus the innovation, the great energy that Civil Society has on solving real problems like that rather than on the issues that divide us . That might surprise people, and that is something that people should be able to agree on. What happens when you and governor cox discussed donald trump or do you . Well, i like the way that governor cox puts it. He happens to be republican, obviously the former president s republican he says i would be happy to mentor and teach President Trump to use the language of unity rather than division, but of course the phone call has not been returned antiquities terribly optimistic or am i that President Trump will avail myself of this training. But heres another thing to point out jen. You will get politicians whether its President Trump or someone else for some division or discord on the other side some politicians will rise that and marketed in that. The real key question is how do we look at ourselves in the mirror as the electorate and say we simple wont reward that kind of behavior we will reward the behavior of people who have good ideas and ideals, who understand that those who oppose them are people who are doing their best and believe what they are doing is right. Lets have that discussion on an authentic level than rather than trying to dehumanize those who happen to disagree with us. Governor Jared Polis Governor of the great state of colorado where half my family lives, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon, a really appreciate it. Coming up, ill talk to former congressman tim ryan about what he calls the exhausted majority in america. How hes trying to give voice to it. Plus Marjorie Taylor greene is on a roll, making the case for President Bidens economic agenda. It is kind of an in kind contribution shes not the only Rick Publican doing it. And later Gun Safety Activists david hobbs launching a new initiative, he calls it the biggest thing hes done since march for lives. We talk about that, and were just getting started, today will get be right back. [interpreter] wayfair has nice prices, so you can have nice things. Um kelly . We have champagne taste. On a hard seltzer budget. Wayfairs got just what you need what. 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On multiple trump indictments, understandably, democrats are in a tricky position, especially if theyre running for office, heading into 2024. On the one hand, it makes all sorts of sense for democrats to point out the dangers associated with another trump presidency, like say, the existential threat to our democracy. On the other hand, they have to make a case for their agenda. What they were to do if they are reelected, or reelected to office. Take the economy. The president is rightly bragging about good job numbers. The fact that inflation is finally cooling off, and Consumer Confidence is a. Despite that, half of americans are not exactly convinced the economy is in a good place right now. A recent poll found that 49 of registered voters would rate the economy is poor. Compare that to the 20 that say the economy is excellent or good. That could explain why, despite trumps many indictments, President Bidens neck and neck with him among registered voters. To get over that hump, President Biden has to make his case to communities across america that are still struggling economically. Help him understand how his policies would benefit them. In places like Northeastern Ohio, known for is shuttered steel factories and manufacturing plants. My next guest represented this region in congress for nearly two decades. He has been a long time advocate for talking about the communities who feel left behind. Joining me now is former ohio congressman tim ryan, who Just Launched a new Advocacy Group called we the people, focused on voters disengaged with the current political climate. Congressman, ill still call you congressman. I think you get that title for life. Great to see you, you Just Launched the group we the people, to reach what you are calling the exhausted majority. I think that a lot of people would agree with, that or relate to it. How do you reach people that are checked out from the political system . Its an age old political question. Yes. First and foremost, you let them know they are not alone, that there are a lot of people out still care but, are exhausted. You know, i get concerned because im back in ohio, i talk to people, i dont even know if im going to vote. Im tired of the whole thing. That cant be the answer. We want to make sure that people know they have a home with the other exhausted people in the country. What were going to do, jen, is highlight some of the really cool stuff happening in the country. Those solutions that are out there, whether it is healing our veterans, teaching our kids, having an American Energy policy. There are Real Solutions that arent in that red or blue, you have to put on one of those shirts, is just common sense american stuff. I want to highlight that. It can start to give some people some hope. There is been an effort to do that. You ran for senate in a campaign that was, i think, surprised people on what the impact you had, even though i know you are not currently a senator. It still did not work. President biden is going out there in the country, trying to talk about the policies, exactly those that he is advocated for. You have advocated for. How will this make a difference . What is going to be different about this effort . Its going to take a while. I think that the main message for us is that this is not like just voting in an election and we outsource it to washington, d. C. Its about a renewed commitment to our own civic responsibilities, civic engagement, we want a we, the people representative and all 3142 counties in the united states. Again, highlight the things that are working so that people say, maybe it is working. You mentioned the Economic Opinion about people, we have to take a half step back and say that this is after 40 years of trauma, economic trauma for the vast majority of the people in the country. You and i have talked about, this i know that you understand it. That trauma is still there because of globalization and automation, the erosion of the middle class. Nobody in these communities have fallen apart and been forgotten. That is still in the dna of most americans families. It is going to take a while to get through that. I think that the policies that the president has pushed, that i voted for w