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MSNBCW Jose July 4, 2024

Georgia where a grand jury meets today to investigate whether trump tried to overturn the election in that state. Meanwhile, in pennsylvania, the search for answers after a home explodes near pittsburgh killing five people including a teenager. And a 3yearold Migrant Child dies while riding a bus from texas to chicago. Its the first death texas has announced since it started Busing Thousands of migrants to cities across the country. This morning Fulton County, georgia, District Attorney willis is expected to begin presenting her case to a grand jury outlining Donald Trumps alleged efforts to overturn bidens 2020 victory in that state. Tomorrow the grand jury will hear from former Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan and journalist george chidi, both who have been asked to testify. The former president has spent this morning and the weekend slamming the d. A. And her case saying he didnt tamper with the election. Joining us now nbc news correspondent Blayne Alexander who is right outside the Fulton County courthouse, and dave aronberg, State Attorney for palm beach county, florida. What to we know about how today and this week will play out near where you are . Reporter were already seeing a lot of movement. Weve been watching the inside, the outside of the courthouse for the better part of the morning. This morning, though, we are starting to see some of the witnesses, some of the people that we know have been called to testify before the grand jury this week as part of fani williss presentation. We have seen them in the Courthouse Walking toward the d. A. s offices. The two of them are key people, two former State Lawmakers here in georgia. Both of them were in the presentations, these kind of now infamous presentations that Rudy Giuliani made before a panel of lawmakers espousing a number of since debunked claims about georgias elections. We know that that is part of something that fani willis was looking into. Our friends over at the ajc confirm they saw Gabriel Sterling also in the building. He was a very big part of 2020. In fact, hes one who called donald trump out by name for spreading these, what he called Expertise Theories about georgias election, but hes certainly somebody who can speak to that now infamous phone call that the former president made to the Secretary Of State asking him to find enough votes to overturn bidens win here in the state. So each piece of this kind of puzzle really tells us how fani willis is structuring this case. We know there are two more witnesses lined up tomorrow. One is an independent journalist, george chidi, and he happened to stumble upon this meeting of the Fake Electors back in 2020. Heres what he told nbc news about being called to testify. Take a look. Almost immediately somebody shouted at me, hey, hes got a camera going. And im hustled out of the room. I think i was there maybe 20 seconds, but like, you know, what kind of meeting are you having . Like somebody said were having a meeting, and i said what kind of meeting are you having, and they said its an education meeting. Reporter and that was him giving his account of stumbling upon that group of Fake Electors. Jose, its very likely hell Say Something to that effect before the grand jury when he comes tomorrow. The other person is former Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan who can speak to the pressure that was put on georgia officials to overturn the elections. So all of this gave us a very good amount of insight into how fani willis is going to be presenting this case over at least a couple of days and what we could likely see in the days to come, jose. So dave, how could tomorrows expected testimony shape the time line of this case . Good to be with you, jose. I think that jeff duncan is the cleanup hitter. I think he is the key to her case because, look, hes a republican. He was a Lieutenant Governor. He was a long critic of trump and their attempts to overturn the election. I think thats why shes going to have him testify last after he testifies, i think shes going to ask for a vote of the grand jury. All you need is a majority vote. You have to find probable cause that a crime occurred, and thats the indictment. Its relatively easy. Its not a High Standard to reach. Thats why they say that we prosecutors could indict a ham sandwich because there is no Defense Lawyer there. Its just the prosecutors. The witnesses, and the jurors themselves. And so dave, just thinking on process as far as the as you were saying possibly the last witness, and then how quickly does that process go from whatever the charges may be to an indictment . Well, after you have your last witness, then you go to the grand jurors, and you ask for a vote on various counts, and if they vote in the majority to, for example, fine donald trump that he committed the crime of recall, racketeering, then that would be an indictment, then it would be filed with the court. It would be sealed, and at some point it would be unsealed. And i think what happened pretty quickly because they would then tell trumps lawyers that hes been indicted. Trump will find out, trump will then release it on social media, and the world will know my prediction is that it will happen tomorrow evening. And blayne, what can you tell us about the Possibility Oaf Cameras in the court in this case . Well, georgia law is very different from the previous indictments that weve seen against trump. Those were of course federal indictments and in manhattan, their cameras arent allowed in the courtroom. Here in georgia, laws basically specify that at a judges discretion, cameras can be allowed in the courtroom, and really, the judge almost always grants that access. There has to be some sort of very difficult circumstances for that not to be the case. So its very likely if we do see an indictment and there is an arraignment, and even as we start to get into talking about the trial, its very likely that will be televised with the camera in the courtroom. That is one of the things that makes this georgia case very different from the other legal challenges that are currently facing trump. Blayne, i thank you very much for being with us. Dave, i want to ask you a couple of questions if i could. This is a state case. Remind us of the difference between this kind of case versus a federal case. Theres a reason why donald trump is so worried about this state case because state cases in georgia, in new york are pardon proof. Donald trump, if he becomes president again cannot pardon himself out of this. He cannot order his Department Of Justice to drop the case. So hes facing some really serious charges, and rico, racketeering is not just for the mafia anymore. In georgia, the rico law is actually tougher than the federal law. There is a fiveyear mandatory minimum Prison Sentence for a rico conviction in georgia that does not exist at the federal level. So you see why trump is melting down on his Social Media Site right now. And pardon proof as long as for a president on the state case. Correct. Now, there is a procedure where the governor the state authorities could pardon trump, but it goes to a board in georgia. Its not just a dictate of the governor. It goes to a board, and you have to complete your sentence. Its got to be five years after the sentence, so its a nonstarter. Trump cannot really be pardoned in georgia if hes convicted there. The question for a lot of people is and me is what happens if hes convicted. I think he will appeal it. I do not believe that donald trump will serve any jail time before the election. I think if he is not sent back to the white house, if hes not reelected to the white house, i think then he will eventually have to serve the sentence. His best chance of getting out of all of this is to become president again is federal crimes, is to delay matters long enough that he could influence State Legislators and perhaps the governor to try to muck things up. I think eventually justice is coming, especially in georgia. Dave aronberg, i thank you so very much for being with us this morning. And now to the devastating wildfires in hawaii that have claimed at least 96 lives and counting making it the deadliest wildfire in modern u. S. History. Crews are still battling the blazes with 85 of the fire in lahaina has been contained. Meantime, specialist teams searching for missing residents have combed through just 3 of the ruins in maui as of yesterday. This as were learning more about the origin of the blazes. Hawaiis governor said sunday that the fire spread at the rate of 1 mile per minute propelled by wind gusts of up to 81 miles an hour, and at the island has lost more than 2,700 structures. He also announced hes ordered a review of what happened. Right now many residents are still in search of loved ones that went missing when the flames erupted. Nbcs tom llamas has this report. Did you get any type of alert. No, no, no. Reporter 73yearold elizabeth kahani, a grandmother said she was so scared when she escaped she didnt realize her face and arm were burned. How bad was the fire . What do you remember . Really bad. Reporter firefighters rescued her treating her wounds, but her bro Rodolfo Rokuton is still missing. Shes pleading for any word from him. Im so worried about everybody, hopefully you still alive. How difficult. Joining us from maui, nbcs dana griffin. Good morning. Whats the latest there today . Reporter jose, good morning. It is a new day, and theres a lot of changes happening today evacuees are going to start moving in to about 500 hotel rooms that have been set aside for them. Airbnb is working out a way to create some longterm housing for people. That is the greatest need here today. When you talk about the fire moving a mile a minute, it makes sense because we have been hearing from so many people saying they looked outside, thought they had time to pack up, but it came so quickly their homes were surrounded within minutes, within seconds. We spoke with one guy, i want to warn some people it may be difficult to listen to this, this guy talked about how he escaped the inflammation. Flames. He was with a friend. He jumped in the ocean. His friend stayed behind. Heres what happened next. I ran out of the car and ran for my life. Ran down to the ocean. I was only a quarter mile from the ocean, and they stayed in their car. They died with their dogs. Three of my friends in one car and two dogs died. I saw one friend dead on the ground like a piece of charcoal, pompeii almost. He was dead. I mean, there was nothing you could do. It was that fast. Reporter officials here in hawaii talked about those bodies burned so badly theyre asking families of the missing to give dna so that they can try to help identify some of these people that they are finding, some of them theyre finding together, and they say that when theyre collecting their bodies, a lot of them unfortunately are just so badly burned. We know that right now Evacuation Centers like the one behind me are doing everything they can. There are so many supplies that are pouring in, and femas set up a website disasterassistance. Gov for anyone that needs assistance or anyone on the ground, you can go to a fema member and start getting set up to get that assistance. We know more people are bringing in food today to try to feed the people. We know theyre going to need about 9,000 gallons of 9,000 meals a day and hundreds of gallons of water. People are very frustrated. Those who are trying to get to lahaina right now, its only open for people who can prove that they live there. For those who are trying to get that extra assistance and supplies there, a lot of them having to wait back in that long line. Some of them are very frustrated, jose. Indeed, dana griffin, thank you so very much. If youd like to help the residents of maui, you can donate to the red cross. Text the word hawaii to 90999 to make a 10 donation, and in spanish. [ speaking in a nonenglish language ] next, were learning more about the twists in the hunter biden investigation. Stay with us, well be back in just 60 seconds. Youre watching jose diazbalart reports on msnbc. Youre watching jose diazbalart reports on msnbc. Have fun, sis cant stop adding stuff to your cart . 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Nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian joins us this morning. Ken, good morning. Do the comments Hunter Bidens attorneys make in this new filing suggest that the case could end up indeed going to trial . Good morning, jose, absolutely thats a possibility. At this point not an inevitability, though. One of Hunter Bidens lawyers went on The Sunday Show and said they would still like to craft a plea deal here, especially given the fact that we have evidence from some of these alleged whistleblowers who investigated the case that there are potential Felony Charges on the table for hunter biden if the Justice Department decides to bring the full weight here. Now, we dont know what exactly whether there are significant defenses to those charges, but its possible that the Justice Department could come in with a much more significant set of charges, and thats the reason that theres an incentive for hunter biden and his lawyers to continue to try to cut a deal, but right now theyre at an impasse, and in fact, bidens lawyers argued in this latest filing that the Diversion Agreement that was that separate charge that he lied about his drug use while he bought a gun, theyre arguing that that is a legally binding, that both the prosecution and the defense signed that. I think the prosecutors have a different view of that, but this thing still remains a bone of contention, jose. So the outstanding issue would be according to i guess to both sides, would be those two tax issues . Yeah, thats right, and again, the offer was a plea to misdemeanor charges, which would carry no prison time, but the potential is for prosecutors to say, okay, now that youre not pleading, were going to add a felony charge, which would be a significant escalation, and its the reason people do plea deals, so i wouldnt rule out continuing negotiations on this but right now they say they are at an impasse, jose. Ken dilanian, thank you so very much. Still ahead, what we know about a 3yearold migrant who died while being bussed from texas to chicago. Plus, former President Trump steals the spotlight in the Iowa State Fair while answering nbcs questions about whether hed take any plea deals. Such a wise guy question. Mr. Wise guy. We dont take plea deals because i did nothing wrong. [sneeze] astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other Allergy Sprays take hours. 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