Election interference case. And we know that multiple witnesses are likely inside. What we do not know yet is when we will know. Indictments arent usually sealed in georgia, so we would likely find out the moment it is filed. Who exactly is going to be charged, if they are charged . Is it one person or multiple . The initial grand jury investigating the case recommended charging 12 people. What will be charged . Is it racketeering, conspiracy, false statements, solicitation, and how would those charges apply . Looking ahead to if and when a trial date is set, what will that trial look like . Emphasis on look. Unlike federal trials, court cases can be televised. We could get answers to all of these questions and more very soon. So lets get into both the reporting and the legal analysis. Starting us off with the reporting is nbc news correspondent blayne alexander. Nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, and the Atlanta JournalconstitutionSenior Editor of trump grand jury coverage, shannon mccaffrey. Welcome, and thank you. Lets start with george chidi and jeff duncan who might be testifying earlier than expected. Why is it significant that shes showing up today instead of tomorrow . Im going to take the last parts of the question first. That gives us insight that it is moving faster than anticipated. George chidi, and duncan said they needed to show up tomorrow morning. Fact that they have gotten the seemingly sudden phone calls from the d. A. s office telling them, actually, change of plans, get down here within the few hours and come testify today shows that they are moving more quickly than perhaps they anticipated. When we ask who george chidi is, hes a freelance journalist. Why hes important to this case, though, hes somebody who unexpectedly discovered this meeting of georgias alternate electors, the slate of 16 fake republican electors, meeting in the State Capitol. He talks about a rather dramatic scene where he walked in. He was ushered from the room, told it was a meeting about education. But we do know that obviously the d. A. Is going to present that as part of her evidence. Its something that shes looking into, the slate of fake electors. Giulianis presentation before lawmakers, before State Lawmakers, we saw two of those State Lawmakers complete their testimony early today. So, katy, what this is doing, all of this is giving us pieces of a puzzle that tell us, one, how shes making this case before the grand jury, and again, two, that timing that is moving faster than expected. Beyond george chidi, who have we seen going into the courthouse today and what do we expect is happening behind those closed doors . We know a former state senator, jim jordan, former state representative, vi nguyen. They have come and gone, confirmed that they have testified. We know george chidi, geoff duncan, our colleagues saw Gabriel Sterling also entering the courthouse today. He is somebody who theoretically would be key in the d. A. s presentation, of course he can speak to the pressure that was allegedly put on raffensperger, the phone call to find more votes in order to overturn bidens vukt ri in the state. As for whats happening, those people have testified, more are coming forward to testify. The question now is what else is there. What other presentations does fani willis have to make. We know these are the greatest hits. 75 witnesses during the Special Grand Jury period. These are the people shes counting on to seal the deal as she makes her case before the grand jury. Now were just waiting to see when that wraps up and when we could see a vote, katy. And it could possibly happen today. Ken, lay out the scope here. What charges could be coming, emphasis on could . Could is a good word, katy. Its a secret process. Theres been a lot of reporting suggesting that fani willis is building a racketeering case, and there would be Predicate Crimes as a part of that. Thats a sort of catch all conspiracy, so one of the possible crimes is forgery, another is false statements. Essentially theyre looking at a setting of actions taken by donald trump and the people around him to try to stop the lawmaker transfer of power in georgia, including his efforts to pressure state officials, the creation of that false slate of electors, a data breach in one of the counties, and so whats interesting about this case is on the one hand, its much narrower in scope than the federal case that jack smith brought. It involves mostly the actions of a single state. We believe shes going to charge a number of defendants, well beyond donald trump, as many as 20 people have been told theyre subject to charges in this case. In that sense it could be a broader and bigger and more complex case that potentially could take longer to go to trial. We have been following this so closely. Because were following so many Different Things at the same time, different indictments, allegations and cases, im hoping you can remind me and Everybody Else what the key moments are in the efforts to overturn the Georgia Election. What has d. A. Willis been looking at . Sure. Well, you know, were looking at two and a half years ago, and after two and a half years of being slow, suddenly things are moving very fast. There were key moments, most people remember the phone call that trump made to georgia secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, that phone call when it was leaked showed trump asking him to find additional votes so they could overturn the results of the election. Joe biden won the state by a little more than 11,000 votes. That was really sort of what got the ball rolling, but, you know, theyre also looking at a December 14th Meeting where there were Phoney Electors who met at the State Capitol the same time that the democratic electors were there, certifying joe bidens win. Thats definitely been of interest to them there is also the presentation that giuliani made to State Legislatures as part of a hearing, he had a video of what he said was Election Fraud at the state farm arena. Folks will remember that, there were two poll workers, ruby freeman and shea moss harassed and received death threats. What about Coffee County . What happened there . Coffee county is one of the, you know, most people would think why is the District Attorney looking at a small georgia county. Racketeering, you can look more broadly than outside your jurisdiction. The day after the attack on the capital, there were pro trump supporters, they were welcomed into the Coffee County board of elections, spent the day there and copied hardware and software from the Georgia Election machines. This is sensitive material that people are not supposed to see and touch. They spent the day there copying that material. That has been one of the under covered areas of this whole saga. You know, because i think its outside of atlanta, but certainly i think thats going to be included in the indictment as well. Blayne, i was just told you have some new reporting for us that you have been able to gather in the past couple of minutes. Reporter yeah, katy. We got a little bit more when it comes to timing on this. This is according to a source of mine with knowledge of the proceedings. Im told that as of 20 minutes ago, theyre currently on witness number five of ten. So that certainly gives us a lot more insight into how this is moving, how quickly this is moving. As of 20 minutes or so ago, they were on witness number five of ten witnesses they plan to call. Theyre about halfway through these proceedings, but again, clearly moving more quickly than they expected it to move. Yes, could see something come down today, and that certainly moves up the time frame a little bit as well. Its 3 00 p. M. There. When did this grand jury start meeting today . They typically start at 8 30. They dont know exactly, but typically its 8 30. The question, then, becomes who are these witnesses . We know she kind of, at least as far as the summons and subpoenas went out, she kind of front loaded it with more of the important witnesses. Were talking about the two State Lawmakers, were talking about if Gabriel Sterling was, in fact, a witness. We saw him down here. Those are people that probably had heftier testimonies, possibly had more to say, versus george chidi, geoff duncan, people we have referred to as the clean up hitters. The question then is who are the remaining people shes calling to testify, how long will that testimony be, and i think that those kind of Unanswered Questions could help us have more insight into how much longer this could possibly take. Do they go past 5 00, 6 00, 7 00, can they extend the hours . Reporter the courthouse closes at 5 00. Whats interesting about georgia law, an indictment has to be unsealed immediately. That means a judge has to be present on the bench, the indictment has to be brought into a courtroom, while there is an open proceeding, while there is a proceeding going on, a judge on the bench. Court cannot close, so if we get to 6 00, if we get to 7 00, and the Courthouse Doors are still open, again, thats us reading the tea leaves. Thats a pretty good indication that they may be trying to keep the court open for a special reason, and we would assume it has to do with this. This is when its helpful to have somebody down there whos steeped in the ways of georgia. Thank you for that. Back to you, ken, on the subject of who, and i know we dont know exactly who might be charged or who will be charged. We do have an idea of who might be charged in the target letters. We know big names like rudy giuliani, potentially, sidney powell, potentially, donald trump, obviously potentially. What about the fake electors, is there Anything Else . Eight of them have gotten immunity, katy, so the rest of them potentially are liable for charges, and theres a number of people probably known and unknown in this case who are we may see some surprises. Thats the interesting thing about a sprawling 2 1 2 year investigation, and whats deeply significant about it for me sitting here in washington, covering these Justice Department cases is that this is the case that donald trump, if hes elected president , cannot make go away. Thats a very good point. You cant pardon yourself out of a state charge or a state trial. You cant dismiss it like you can the Special Counsels. I want to ask about the politics, we have seen across the country nationally speaking. Donald trump appears to have been boosted by all of the indictments. The Wall Street Journal had interesting reporting, though, today about how georgia was different. What have you been able to gather about Georgia Republicans and where they stand with donald trump . Well, i point out that georgia has had some election fatigue, i think, generally because we have had two incredibly intense runoffs in the last two cycles. One of them after the 2020 election, and then the senate race in 2022. I think folks are tired of elections here, back to trump, he is leading his nearest competitor by 20 points according to the most recent state poll. There may be fatigue related to him, and you know, brian kemp is not his biggest fan. They have had a strained relationship, but if you look at the numbers, he still has the overwhelming amount of support here, and is still really beloved by the gop base. Has he gained voters, gained supporters, has he turned any of the independents or the moderate republicans back in his favor because remember donald trump lost georgia . Yeah, and i think what will be interesting, too, is one of the reasons donald trump lost georgia was because the suburbs went the other direction, and you know, these tend to be, if they are republicans, they tend to be more moderate republicans. Theyre not as hard core maga as folks in the rural counties. This doesnt seem like its going to help him in terms of bringing those voters back. Shannon, thank you very much. Ken and blayne, thank you as well. Up next, that is the reporting. Were going to get the legal analysis in a moment. Again, who could be charged, what could they be charged with, and what is the possible jail time. All of the analysis in a moment. Plus, the death toll is nearing 100 as more stories of survival come out and more horror from what happened that day. What went so wrong in hawaii . Later, hunter biden says the doj walked back part of his plea agreement. What happens now that david weiss is a Special Counsel. Were back in 60 seconds. Specil were back in 60 seconds my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. For one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. One pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. Subways now slicing their deli meats fresh. 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Im also looking to see whether fani willis tries to bring charges of those same crimes, so a Racketeering Charge means that a group of people is engaged in a pattern of activity to commit crimes together, but you dont necessarily have to charge them independently with those crimes. In georgia, however, they might. And im looking to see whether anybody is charged with things ranging from solicitation of Public Officials to do things other than their real duties, false statements, Witness Tampering. All of those could be encompassed in the facts we know about after the 2020 election in georgia. Theres so many different people that fani willis could be looking at, lawyers, sidney powell, rudy giuliani, the fake electors, potentially officials in the state. Theres donald trump, how much exposure, though, joyce, can you just remind us that donald trump has in this case specifically. Would you expect if he is charged for it to be one charge or multiple . So in a case like this one, i think we would be looking at multiple charges, and thats typical when you have a rico indictment. Lisa is dead on the money when she says that analysts are expecting that willis will bring charges under rico. Weve talked about it a lot, katy. Its the statute normally used to go after Organized Crime because you have the situation in organizations like that where the folks at the top dont actually top the criminal conduct. They might not touch the drugs. They might not be involved in trafficking people, and nonetheless, you can link them together as part of an ongoing criminal enterprise, and charge them that way. Thats sort of the theory that would be used here. And implicit in that would be a number of substantiative offenses. Conspiracy, i think we would see several of those charges involving some of the conduct. Solicitation of crimes, particularly those related to the election. So i would expect a broad encompassing indictment. Thats the whole point of rico. It lets you bring in evidence about a lot of different conduct. Normally, fani willis is restricted to indicting only cases that take place in her home county, fulton county. Rico gives her a broader reach. It might bring in the Coffee County claims, for instance, that you were talking about in the first segment. What do we know about fani willis and the way she lays out her charges . Were talking about the Special Counsel, weve gotten used to speaking indictments where they lay out a narrative, lay out a story. We have seen that twice from jack smiths team. Should we expect the same sort of things, were given a lot of the facts and shes telling the story. Or do you think this might be a bit dryer . I dont expect a dry indictment. In fact, in state court, shell have a little bit more latitude if she chooses. Its a strategic decision shell have to make. Shes no stranger to bringing rico indictments. She understands how to strike the balance in these early stages so that her evidence can go in at trial the way she wants it to go in, and something that folks who arent from the south, and may not be familiar with fani willis need to know is that while shes the elected District Attorney in fulton county, shes someone with a deep background, doing complicated cases herself. Shes not the bus, the supervisor, shes the bus whos been there charging rico in some very unusual situations. One involving educators in the atlanta area who were involved in a fraudulent test score rigging scheme. And so she took rico out of its native territory, Organized Crime, and used it very successfully in that incident. Known as a Tough On Crime prosecutor, lisa, lets talk about Donald Trumps own words and the way that he has gone after not just fani willis and the judges and witnesses potentially, but one specifically today after geoff duncan. He is said to be testifying today in front of th