Hi, ari. Always good to see you. Thats right. Have a good show. Vicki so much. Great to see nicole and great to be back with you to start the week. We are covering quite a few stories. A lot of eyes are on georgia. We have live pictures from the courthouse. The grand jury is going over evidence about this long running 2020 investigation, including allegations that involve donald trump. Now we are going to follow the evidence of the facts and not get ahead of anything. Theres no reason to get ahead of it. It is the news, not prediction. What i can tell you is, there are good reasons why everybody is following death in the days ahead. That doesnt mean that anybody knows the timeline or how things are going to happen. Heres what we know. Some very crucial witnesses did enter the courthouse today and the judge did well today that part of the proceeding of any future indicted party could be televised. We are also watching to see if anything happens anyway that we can learn from and you know because you follow the news that grand jury proceedings are supposed to be secret and we dont have a lot of information about whats going on inside of them. Thats the way it is supposed to be. We can file the witnesses and see when they are still operating and we have reporters out there through the whole situation trying to see if its going to run long tonight or any other night. As for donald trump, he is a defendant. Has been arraigned three times. The evidence in this case and if The Grand Jury does indict donald trump, it would be his fourth just this year. There is also the scrutiny on the way that donald trump is conducting himself. Whether he is testing these claims, these assertions that he would be treated like anybody else because he federal judge said that to him. Over the weekend donald trump attacked that judge calling him highly partisan, biased, unfair insane, quote unquote, she office he wants me behind bars. Also, im going to invite him down here because it was on friday when that judge said Observatory Statements in this case. I will take whatever measures that affect the integritys of these meetings. Meanwhile, the pressure from the Special Counsel may be affecting not only trump the people around him. They openly trashed the crackpot, sydney powell. They are spreading blame. Please dont put me in jail. Put that other guy in jail. Strategy that was sure to come up at some point or another with another attorney working. I want to get right to it with the political investigations reporter. We have been following many of these cases and lets start with the backandforth with the federal judge because while, understandably, you and other reporters are trying to see everything that happened georgia, we dont yet know what will happen. By contrast on friday, trump was very clearly told not to mess around. How much do you think he is messing around and testing that boundary gets the judge . It is pretty clear that this is the thing that he wants to test and he wants to test the boundaries. Trumps advisors earlier today through last week, they tend to push everything right up against the line because trump fundamentally thinks that its unfair. You and i both know that protective orders are routine in cases but to trim, that is not the priority and i think we should expect to see more from trump in the weeks ahead until he is sanctioned by the judge. As you say, for the sanction even get there. What are your reporters tell us about what is also mentioned about donald trump faces not only this federal trial but all of these lawyers nabbed a couple coconspirators that some of them may not be waiting sitting idle. They may want to explore their potential options. What can you tell us about that . This was something that she raised herself when she was issuing the protective order. To limit the number of people that would have access to the discovery material being made available to trump because some of those people might be Co Conspirators and say beginning georgia because Trump Lawyers believe in embracing that several of the lawyers made the comments here. You have these rotating lawyers who are all linked in various ways and all of their aims and goals may be identical to what trump once. Their interests dont match up. They may be concerned that some of the lawyers that are church and lawyer may end up turning on trump. Turning to georgia, when of the most interesting reports its about some of the evidence. The grand jury process is fairly close. We are all watching it but we dont always have that much more to say until we get hard news out of it but there was this reporting i want to read about with the prosecutors may have obtained what goes beyond even more than the smith case. They have messages showing trump behind that Voting System breach. They have watched a second breach with some organic efforts and instead of gathering evidence by trans team to access since the voting software. What is upbeat about the evidence they have for a case . I think it speaks directly to the statute that exists in the state of georgia. It is much more standard and basically what it requires to show is activity and what of the crimes that the office has been looking at his understanding that and you can find all of these triangulating. You have trump and powell try to organize his effort to breach the neighboring county, which is still in the jurisdiction, by the way. Then you have all the people who might be charged tonight effort. When you look at it like that, you need understand why direct evidence in directing an effort like this could be bad for him and direct criminal exposure. Yes. Finally, anything you were picking up on the ground in georgia or for your time our observation that we cannot see at a distance . Yes, look, you know, the true point is that Trump Lawyers are very concerned by what has been the premature posting of the docket report about charges coming out. We got that. Im only jumping in to say we are going to get to that in the hour. You are saying that Trump Lawyers are intrigued around that to argue and fairness. Not only that, but they see that as unfair but on the flipside, they also see that as concerning because they think that is personal charges that could, gets trump and there are more charges that come to the line and i think it could be very bad for their client and they are trying to strategize that does Something Like 40 pounds this is no more meaningful for these lawyers and i think that is also driving a lot of anxiety right now. Yes, understood. We appreciate you doing the reporting and joining us. Good to see you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. We have a very special show tonight. I also have what of our Special Reports that we are working on. This when is about a lawyer who you see on screen, quote unquote, the president of the Arraignment Table. He had his own legal scrutiny. I will be with you in just 60 seconds. Seconds. Voltaren. The joy of movement. ella fashion moves fast. jen so we partner with verizon voltaren. The joy of movement. To take our operations to the next level. marquis with a custom private 5g network. ella we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. jen thats enterprise intelligence. vo its your vision, its your verizon. Defended donald trump facing charges that could derail his career and his liberty. Some of his most permanent past lawyers were recently named Co Conspirators in those doj charges. They could ultimately be indicted. Now it would be all of the ex president or defendants lawyers. A special report, right now turns to a lawyer. A man who campaigned for trump in both of his president ial elections who served in his 2020 u. S. They got a better and at the new york trial you can see him right there. The Big Prime Seat right next to local new york counsel at Donald TrumpsArraignment Table for the first ever criminal arraignment. The man you see there has spoken to trump many times in up to five times a day. Natalie serves as a trump lawyer but has risen to the first among equals status because he oversees many, if not all of the lawyers, including some with far more experience on trumps team. Now this is a huge rise for a person who is not a republican strategist before. More of a political license than a provider of valuable legal advice. That is according to the tractors that spoke at the time. Again, he didnt have the high Level Experience or president ial campaign or management or Something Like that and he hadnt been in the white house. If you go back, and this is part of my report. At the time back in the day, he was really more known as a commentator and pundit. , constitutionalist. I think it is important that Everybody Knows what the constitution says. What he should do, he should go out there and talk. My prediction it would help the people one way or another. We have 49 to 50 days. Its a really big mistake about party. He found a way to turn that disability and willingness to backtrack into a shortcut or fasttrack. Thats actually the story the classic tells where they can engineer or skip the steps that other people have to go through. Consider, for example, the 1987 Michael J Fox classic, the secret of michael kay. What is your hurry . What is going on . I have a Special Delivery here. Have a nice day. See you monday. Brantley is whitfield and whitfield as brantley. There is more than one path out of the mailroom. Now to bring us back to the current case, which could lead Defendant Trump in prison. If you go to 2016, the landscape had many senior experience who either would not work for trump and was seen by the on a path to losing were republican veterans that would only support trump selectively at the time. They wouldnt back his alleged conduct. He hit all the notes the boss wanted, which is relevant right now because its worth calling history. He went from the role of a reasonable, prochoice moderate republican and somebody who is not in the republican success and he went from that to the Firebreathing Magna Incarnate We Know today. Here is a little bit before then. Where are you getting that from . Hillary clinton is very well liked right now. As far as weak excuses go, her excuse to lie to the american people. I think that trump will be a phenomenal candidate. Shes only part of the doj to hire more. Now the talk of candidates going to prison might be echoed different but you can see that he blatantly lied about illegal voting there. And then President Trump had that role in the white house and it didnt last long but he still found ways to stay in the mix. We have a photo of here coming back from the white house in 2019. Like steve bannon and other figures who have emotional relationships with donald trump, epstein new that the boss the like to her kick you out. His value tv almost over everything. He did recorded segments that advance many trump positions, defended his former boss and was caught in for an appearance here and there. It actually took more to where he is now at the table. And trumps aid say that he is a tremendous statement is a ministry. Now, many factors could be at play but with a that is clearly evident tonight and relevant as we are tracking whether Is Epstein Rebooted that 2016 strategy i mentioned after divorce the 2020 election but you had, again, this fisher and most lawyers would not do all the things that trump demanded him to do. Epstein went where others would not. He has not been charged with Election Fraud and he does defend his conduct, which we will show you but he was working directly with rudy giuliani. That is coconspirator number one on the efforts to overturn State Results and he goes further becoming critical to postelection postal operation. This world where people will, to deal with and election laws, rather than achieve the election win for the most viable people to trump. Several outlets do not that and epstein later discussed some of the efforts that trump is now indicted for under questioning here on the beach. That was part of the process. Everything was according to the rules and under leadership of rudy giuliani. Name checking giuliani back before that was before the doj named giuliani a coconspirator. That is evidence of the jack smith indictment. Both of them were public. Present pentz lied and claimed that he had some unilateral power to Cancel National elections, which no Vice President have. We have him discussing that in our interview as well he opened and counted the votes. I had absolutely no idea that there was going to be valid for the capital. According to the electoral count at, there was absolutely a plan and a process for their to be challenges. Would you be opening to doing that in the future election of donald trump were to run again . Im on record to say that i would have a very significant role in that process. Epstein wasnt touched with many of them, so tonight, one of the questions swirling around is, is epstein the sixth and identified coconspirator . We dont know. Some messages point to that Person Being Epstein but there is no confirmation or report that confirms who that person is, doj certainly wont and epstein declined to comment on the record when recently reached with that very question. What is clear is that none of this seems to be reducing his position. He says it quite bluntly. Even part from the probe, which is many issues i just mentioned. There is certain accusations. Epstein pled guilty to Disorderly Conduct in the Sexual Misconduct cases were later dropped. A Trump White House lawyer and putting him in public. Another leaking anonymously, i dont know where he filed his license. They must be selling them. Its clear that some of those litigators that i mentioned to help drop with the very high stake case that jack smith has brought. Those are the vigils have come, some of them, to view epstein as a barrier towards the professional that they are all supposed to share and giving donald trump the best Legal Counsel of defense. If you are watching this as a fan of donald trump, then you should get the best possible legal help and everybody should be afforded that in our system. Well, you go from that perspective and this is interesting. Those fellow travelers disagree. Heres what when of the lawyer said who has served on trumps team with the jack smith cases after leaving. There are certain individuals that made defending the president much harder than it needed to be. Epstein had really done everything he could to try to block us and to prevent us from doing what we could to defend the president. Thats an interesting twist we just showed. He really wrote the political leader arc of doing whatever and anything trump went, including defending Everything Trump does but now you have an actual litigator hired for that purpose saying epstein was getting anyway and if it sounds like a conflict or a paradox that somebody must be lying, you have to remember that we show this last week, completely bracingly acclaimed himself. Sometimes doing what trump wants is actually bad for trump that as a lawyer, just like other people can do Expert Service is there to serve the client, the patient, but also give their expertise and counsel and it is the patient or the client and if they have really bad at is that they think is great, well they know an honest person who is not afraid will just tell the client or patient, this is why you were wrong and this is what we should do and that would be the tension. Now in fairness, that is not new to trump board. The stakes are so much higher. Lawyer john dean flipped and they got in too much trouble. Now jack smith has put at least six people in Terms Orbit Unnoted as coconspirators. Whether that leads to further charges or new evidence, it still holds the question, just like the question over the unknown cutout that you see on your screen. Who is coconspirator six . The journalist missing clues and possibilities but we dont know. When it comes to the secrets of success in the trump world as mentioned earlier, for epstein, its no secret anymore. It is political loyalty. It was his zealous advocate to be on tv and his repeated to demonstrate willingness to go where other Top Republicans wont and to do where other trump aides will not. That clearly catapulted him to the top of the orbit of the most important republican and Republican Party right now. Someone who draws legal problems and could still be the nominee. Thats all, even with the alleged merits made by colleagues, lawyers and others. All of that mightve gotten him right here. It might have got him to be among the company of other lawyers maybe got on the right side of that line. Maybe he found a way to do some of the bidding but not be named the coconspirator or maybe the doj ultimately will determine things that put them under more legal scrutiny but it is the tactics, the loyalty the advocacy and the perseverance of these individuals that does tie them together and mr. Eastman was willing to lie blatantly about what was the law and look at sidney powell. They had to sometimes still with people saying, this is a wild, unusual or as trump said about his claims, crazy. Mr. Clark and mr. Eastman you see on the screen, they were also taken pursuant to these points. Because the doj thought those people looked more like Co Conspirators. The question tonight and what weve learned about mr. Epstein is, will he remain so close to the sun that he can no longer provide the kind of defense that donald trump so needs all of the former president people, some of the former president Co Conspirators rarely, have we se