Thank you, sherif. Good luck the rest of the evening. Thats it. Was it all you hoped it would be . [ laughter ] didnt get a good look. You want me to leave . You have had a long day. These folks cant go until you all go. I know we have talked about leaving the equipment here. Dont leave it here, because you wont want to be her tomorrow. You are welcome to be here if you dont have a role 22 for whats going on tomorrow. Did we find anything . It has to be a group decision. They can come and collect. You are watching a feed from the courthouse in Fulton County, georgia. That is judge Robert Mcburney on the bench who just told all of the reporters in that room that, quote, you need to leave. He said he meant it in a nice way. What has just happened and we will get some Expert Advice on this in just a moment, but under Georgia State law, when a grand jury handsdown an indictment, it goes immediately to the Presiding Judge who has been overseeing the work of The Grand Jury. In this case, that is judge mcburney. The judge then has the option with what he is going to do with the indictment that has been handed off to him. In this case, he read it silently to himself and seems to have flipped through it. All we can tell was that it was printed on lettersize white paper and seemed to be about that thick and had a few different to it in terms of the way it was divided. He did not provide any information. About what the charges are and who the defendants are or indeed about the content of the indictment. What is going to happen from here on out . We know the basics under Georgia State law, but we dont know exactly how it will play out this evening. This is the Clerk Holding what we believe are the indictments that i just described in her left hand here. It is very unusual that this is happening after 9 00 p. M. It usually closes for regular business at 5 00 p. M. The grand jury that was considering the matter today meets on mondays and tuesdays. That raised the prospect that The Grand Jury proceeding might continue through until tomorrow , but they have apparently pushed through and asked The Grand Jury to take their vote, which has resulted in the delivery of those and what we believe are indictments to the judge, they were than effectively certified by the judge. I think thats the right way to describe it, then getting back to the clerk. We will be keeping our eyes on whats happening inside of the courthouse. The reason why i say we dont know exactly how it will play out is because we know under Georgia State law, there is no question but that this indictment or these indictments will be unsealed. We expect there to be a delay between the process that we just saw and we the public being allowed to see the document. I cant tell you exactly how long its going to be and i also can tell you if we will be getting it from the docket, meaning that we will have Online Access to it as an official Court Document or whether we will be receiving it in form of a Press Release from the District Attorneys office. We have expected over the course of today again, expectations are never promises. We have expected over the course of the day that if indeed an indictment was handed up, we would see judge mcburney in the courtroom and we didnt know how much you would describe from the document. We expected sooner rather than later to get access to the text of the document and we expected a news conference, effectively a Press Conference from the District Attorney. He will be with us tonight, as we are all watching to see if those things happen. Joining me from outside the courthouse is our own katie fang, nbc legal contributor host of the Katie Fang Show and former Florida State prosecutor and has extensive felony trial experience. Can you tell me if i said anything wrong and if you can add anything to our understanding in terms of what we witnessed . Reporter to give you real time update, that unsealed indictment that was delivered to judge mcburney has not been delivered to the Clerks Office at that point in time, copies are going to be provided and we are not sure exactly when, but if we get a copy, we will provided immediately. There was a very important question that i want to bring to viewers that was asked by judge mcburney to the clerk as she was providing them the 10 indictments to judge mcburney. He asked, have you maintained custody of these documents up until now . Thereby, indicating that if there were any concern that there had been any tampering with those documents in any way, then it can obviously be an issue. Of course, the clerk said no and we would note that as people were walking in, people being from the Clerks Office, there was a gentleman with a phone and he was video recording this as they were walking in. Providing more corroboration that Nothing Happened from when the jury for person signed off on that bill and got it to the Clerks Office to be stamped in and delivered to judge mcburney. There are 10 indictments is reporting. We believe The Grand Jurys work is done. 10 is the total number of indictments and they are not expected to keep working and continue building on additional charges on any additional defendants . Reporter thats correct. Our reporting from a photograph taken of the cover page is that it is 10 indictments and the language is exact. It says that there were zero for the number 10 was handwritten into a blank line in front of the word indictments, then in terms of no true bills, meaning there was no votes to vote charges the rule, it said zero. To reiterate, 10 indictments were returned and there were no true bills, meaning the evidence that was put in forth by the District Attorney in the courts of investigation to the members of The Grand Jury that they voted on the charges that were involved in and. Me be clear. We do not know the names of the defendants or defendant and we do not know the nature of the charges. It will come when we get our hands on these indictments. Its important that we noted in the coverage we had so far that this was an incredibly expedient process that we anticipated being at least a two day process and we all thought that it was going to be the day that we got those indictments returned, so the fact that we saw it done today could be a measure of the value or quality of the evidence being presented by the d. A. When i dont wear grand jurys in my career, it really hinged on the presentation of evidence and ultimately the standard is probable cause. Was there probable cause met . Was it provided in the nature of the evidence to the members of The Grand Jury . To reemphasize, it is an issue in the state of georgia and you have 23 grand jurors, 16 of those must be present through the entirety of the present enough evidence, but only takes 12 of those 23 grand jurors to Boat A Charge through. Let me make sure that i understand what you mean by the no true bill of what you just explained. This is based on reporting that shows the cover page of what was brought into the judge, then delivered to the courts office. 10 indictments, then zero in front of no true bill. Is plain english interpretation of that is that the prosecutors asked The Grand Jury to return 10 indictments . They said yes to all 10 and there were no indictments that the prosecutors asked for that The Grand Jury refused. That is the interpretation of what we saw on that cover page. There was no indication that there were, for example, the presentation of evidence to support 20 indictments and only 10 were returned. It was 10 indictments and the zero no true bills, which means that they sat through and it is very interesting. A day not even an entire day. There was a flurry of activity and we have witnesses roaming the gannett. Georgia state rep who also ran against Brad Raffensperger for georgia secretary of state. We also had a guy but the last name of sterling. We have brought sterling who showed up today. I could be wrong, so dont hold me to that. Gabriel sterling. It was a long period of time and we actually had jeff duncan, former Lieutenant Governor of georgia who was also in for an extended period of time. What is noteworthy is that one witnessed by George Sheedy who stumbled upon a meeting of the fake electors who shoot them out of the room and said this is an education meeting. He was literally sitting next to jeff duncan waiting to testify and after a period of time, the d. A. Came up to him the office came up to him and advised him that his testimony wasnt needed. Whatever evidence he was going to provide to The Grand Jury was deemed to not be necessary. There is not a requisite or minimal number of witnesses that are required to present evidence to The Grand Jury. In this instance, we dont know the total number at the end of the day that appeared, but whatever it was, it was enough per a probable Call Standard for 10 indictments to be returned. Im going to ask the control room to put up on screen the photo that you have been describing in terms of the front page of the indictment. It says, certification of The Grand Jury indictments returned in open court. I hereby certify that on august 14, 2023 after the indictments have been presented to The Grand Jury and session had been adjourned for the day, said indictments were returned in open court as required by law and present for said returns were assistant District Attorney there is a name, deputy sheriff, then a name and deputy clerk. There were 10 indictments presented to the court and of those indictments, zero 10 billed by The Grand Jury. This, the 14th day of august 2023. Can i ask you admittedly a dumb question, which is, does 10 indictments maintained defendants . Reporter 10 indictments could be multiple codefendants in each indictment and we dont know. I will give an update in real time to you and our viewers. The Clerks Office advising that worstcase scenario, it could take three hours before the Court Documents are released. At this point, we are still going to be on a wait and see stage. To your question, as well, what we are going to see on each indictment is a identification on the left side of the first page, recitation of the charges as they are set forth on the right side of the first page and below each of the defendants and if there are multiple, you will see charges that apply to each one, but also critically important, the names of the grand jurors will be included in each of those, meaning each of those 23 grand jurors who sat in service, their names will be publicly available. Those not present for the vote and presentment of the evidence will be crossed out. It is a remarkably startling different experience in Georgia State court. We also saw the procession of thats what im going to college. The procession of bringing The Grand Jury to the Clerks Office and to the judge for purposes of having an unsealed. With court rooms that have tv access, we have actually witnessed American History in progress. Let me ask you, with the life update you just gave with the Clerks Office advising that it may take three hours for them to process these indictments for public release, is that the only means by which we might see this indictment . Is it possible that the District Attorneys office as opposed to the Clerks Office might themselves release it or a version of it as a Press Document . Reporter its my understanding that there should be some type of announcement by the d. A. In this case, but i would reasonably anticipate that the answer would be no, because i think that it would feed into a false narrative. There is some type of rush to judgment in some way and i think that if i were to read them myself, it would be the rate for the Clerks Office to be able to show those documents and make them public for all of us to be able to read. Is it clear to you at all or do you have a Smart Supposition as to what is happening after 9 00 p. M. . As far as i understand, this is a grand jury that has been meeting on monday and tuesday. Those of the two on which they meet today. This is monday night. Why press to get this done over the course of a single day until late in the evening rather than knock off at dinnertime. Reporter i was speaking to a number of people sitting through the waiting of a verdict and i equated this experience to verdict watch. When we have the journey take a case into the jury room and we will be waiting for them to come back, oftentimes when you reach the end of business hours, a judgment asks the jury, do you want to stay later . In this instance, the sting later part of The Grand Jury was completely within the control of the grand jurors. If they want to, im sure they would have been able to go home. I do not think there would have been any pressure put on them by the d. A. S office to stay. To the contrary, i think it would be naove to ignore the political client that we are currently operating under. There has been a politicized event that has happened with the former president that has been a target of the investigation where there has been intimidation of witnesses. I think it would be naove to suggest that it did not come into play in some way for the d. A. S office to make sure that this was done as efficiently and competently as possible. If the jurors in this case do not want to stay, you would have seen has gone before now. Obviously, it is done. It was done quickly today and we should have our hands on the copies of those indictments very soon. Katie fang outside the courthouse. That was a lie and it was really important information. I really appreciate you being there for us. We will be back over the course of the evening. Thank you. Joining me here at the table are alex wagner, Lawrence Odonnell and its good to be with all of you. Let me recount what we have just seen happen in the courtroom. As if we didnt need a starker and more specific reminder that this is state court and not federal court. There were cameras as judge mcburney received from the District Attorneys, representatives of the prosecutors and representatives of the District Attorneys office what we now believe to be 10 indictments that have been handed out by The Grand Jury in Fulton County georgia, which has been considering efforts to falsify the Election Results in the state of georgia and falsely proclaimed donald trump to have won that state when in fact he lost. 10 indictments handed up and judge mcburney, process them briefly to the Clerks Office and handed them to Somebody Else who took them to the Clerks Office. The Clerks Office has advised that it may be sometime within the next three hours that they process the indictment for public release. The way things work in Georgia State law is that it would be very unusual to have what we call sealed indictments, which is something we dont see for a long flow of this process. In short order and presumably tonight and by midnight, you will see the content of those 10 indictments. I will go to all of you on this. 10 indictments does not mean 10 defendants. It doesnt mean 10 felonies. It doesnt mean 10 counts. It just means 10 things. That looks like dozens of pages that we saw there. It is a mystery as we sit here. We have educated guesses, but why guess now since we are going to get our hands on it so soon . Its amazing opened her up , the investigation in progress 2021. The world heard trump commit some of what he may be charged for in january 2021. So much of the evidence is public facing and i think in the wake of the federal indictment, i think there is a big mystery in terms of what we are waiting for. How much more did she learn . Cnn reported yesterday on the trump campaigns dirty hands in the dirty business of hacking into Voting Machines. We know she developed that evidence. I think in the coming moments or hours, we will learn how much further she got than what we all know. Presumably, we will not have unnamed coconspirators. There will be names named and the Georgia Story has a long tail, unlike the federal indictment. The fact that trump was sending letters to Brad Raffensperger in September Of 2021 tells you that there is more